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31 Dec 2013 14:54:22
Hey guys, not posted in a while. Hope everyone had a good Christmas and has a great time tonight for New Year.

I was just wondering if anyone could give me a little insight into Alberto Moreno? Moon, Mick, I know you guys watch a lot of Spanish football? I have honestly never seen him play and that's probably why I hold Alex Sandro in a little higher regard right now. Not a massive fan of Coentrao if I'm honest, although he would be a vast improvement on Evra.

Cheers to anyone who can help.

Freddie H.

1.) Ah the good old Moreno vs Sandro.

I don't think they're in the same league in terms of talent. Sandro is significantly better in every single aspect but one: positioning.

Moreno is tiny, and not strong at all. He is not a good tackler and rarely gets stuck in, as opposed to Sandro who's like a terrier. he's also not a very good passer, which is quite curious for a young spanish player.

But technically speaking he is superb. His dribbling and ability on the ball are those of a winger, and is his passing and crossing were a bit better he would have made one hell of a winger.

As I previously mentioned his positioning is impressive despite him being very attack minded.

All in all, I'd rather have Sandro, who with a little bit of coaching, will become a more technical just as tenacious version of Rafael


 

 

23 Aug 2013 15:41:11
Ed004 and all other regulars - as of right now who do you think we'll sign? (Not who do you want us to sign).

I guess right now I'd say Baines and Fellaini as I think we may miss out on that all elusive 'marquee' signing.

I do, however, have a feeling that Rooney will go to Chelsea after Monday in a deal involving Mata. I guess that game could be telling by whether either player features.

I think there's a lot more twists to come than many people think. The Bale deal should set off a couple more bigger deals and add Suarez into the mix and there's potential for a lot of movement between some of the bigger clubs. I can see Real Madrid, United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Barcelona, PSG and Man City all being involved in this final week and a half. {Ed004's Note - I'm quietly hoping for Ronaldo but probably just fellaini and Baines}

Freddie H.

1.) I think we are trying to buy Baines, Fellaini and either Fabregas or another top quality creative player. The only one I'm confident of us landing is the one I want least lol, Fellaini. Hoping we get at least 1 of the other 2 perceived targets though.


2.) I think it will be baines, fellaini and maybe 1 from modric/ozil/khedera depending on bale transfer


 

 

23 Aug 2013 13:13:11
Right, question for anyone who has any idea - I assume Sydney may know. What is the deal with shirt sales? I was under the impression that Nike pay the sponsorship so receive the majority of the revenue from them. I figure we get a percentage but nothing hugely significant. So how do Real Madrid make so much from it? Are the terms different for Spanish teams? I noticed Sydney mentioned that Real Madrid comfortably comply with FFRP despite their heavy spending. Given the economic climate in Spain, along with the recent tax increases, you'd have thought they'd need to rein it in a little.

Thanks to anyone who can offer a response. {Ed044's Note - From Ed02: The money from shirt sales goes to the manufacturer, the distributor and the retailer, who can make extra adding numbers and names to the shirts. If the club are the retailer (club shop, club website etc.) then they get the retailers cut. The manufacturer (Adidas, Warrior, Nike etc.) pay the club an amount each year which allows them to manufacture and sell the shirts using the correct logos etc.. That is how they justify the money given to the club. So if you walk in to a high street store and buy a Liverpool or Arsenal shirt - nothing goes to the club. There are a few clubs that have negotiated different deals with manufacturers (Real Madrid with Adidas and Barcelona with Nike are the two obvious examples) based upon joint reselling ventures. So the income from shirts is fixed to the £xM or whatever Adidas, Nike etc. pay the club plus a small amount for reselling through the club retail outlets (shop, web).}

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20 Aug 2013 14:15:35
What do people really think about Ronaldo then? I can't see it happening, but eventually something has to change with his situation - be it a new contract or a move - within the next year. He doesn't look 100% satisfied at the moment and I'm not entirely sure why. Of course it may be due to a new contract and I've heard (just by reading, no great sources) that it may be to do Madrid wanting 100% of his image rights rather than 50%, thus decreasing his earnings. If that's the case, of course he'd just sit on his current contract - who wouldn't?

Bale looks set to sign for them eventually so someone must make wy, you'd have thought. One of Di Maria/Ozil/Ronaldo. Di Maria most likely but you never know.

As for Modric, Real Madrid have signed Casemiro and Illarramendo this summer and he wasn't first choice last year. Again, you'd have thought something would have to give and one of Modric/Khedira/Alonso would be on their way.

Just some food for thought. Sometimes I feel we should be more opportunistic in the transfer market as situations such as these can be exploited for our own gain.

Freddie H.

1.) Yes but with there new manager comes a new formation.

They have switched from there 4231 to a barca style 433 or 4123 to be more precise.

This now means they only have the one CDM slot at which they have Alonso Kerdira Casemiro and Illerimardi (spelling) of which I'd only expect alonso to be sold this summer.

Now the 2 infront they have isco modric kaka and arguably ozil although he has been playing on the right wing reasontaly. This seems quite bare for a key area so I couldn't see them wanting to sell.

On wings you obviously have ronaldo left and ozil and di Maria right so if bale arrives this would be the area I'd expect some sales especially when it's World Cup year and players will not want to be benched.

So from all that now who would you say is for sale Fred


 

 

20 Aug 2013 13:16:12
Is it just me or is Pogba becoming a bit like an ex-girlfriend that we can't seem to get over. He doesn't care about us anymore so just let it go. Appreciate the irony of this message but just a response to a couple of the Pogba posts today.

Freddie H.

1.) We should suck it up and move on or buy him. He would be less than Fellaini and he is a fat better player.

Sydney!


2.) But she was the one fred


3.) Funnily enough, I don't doubt that Ste. He looks top drawer and exactly what we need. If he wanted to come back then great, but why would he in all honesty? It would make him and us look more than a little foolish really.


4.) Can you not all remember?

He wasn't ready, he wasn't tested, had proven nothing, didn't deserve it, etc etc etc!

If SAF was in charge you would all be saying 'had his chance'! Yet now its a new man he is ok to return?

This is the same player who walked into 20 odd games for the league winning Juve team playing CL football and playing in a CM that far exceeds ours for talent!

I hope he does go to Arsenal and shows how good he is regularly and all the 'fans' on here that had their theories of him using Juve to get to City or only moving for the money etc etc can maybe finally admit that maybe SAF was just being far too stubborn with him and maybe the way he was treated WAS the straw that broke the camels back before he left!

Oh how the merry band changes its tune sometimes! Good on him and hopefully Ravel aswell show their true potential as it shows that we can make young midfielders into great prospects and had SAF dealt with these players slightly differently they could work.

I remember many slagging both off saying Ravel would never change his spots, Pogba was all about the money etc but maybe the SAF way was just not working with these guys, maybe he needed to adopt a different approach and it could have worked but as a stubborn Jock myself it is hard for us to do.

I doubt any on here will be praising Big Sam and his man management skills ahead of SAF yet he seems to have steered Ravel into a brighter future!


5.) Calm down Jono, he's only managed to get a decent pre-season under his belt without causing any bother! Let's see if he can keep his nose clean for a season or two.

StevieK


6.) Pogba was always ready, I just think SAF was never going to play him unless he signed a new deal. The club knew he was stalling.

Sydney!


7.) Steve

You are correct but he has played very very well and basically has surpassed what most on here thought he would make of his career already don't you agree?


8.) Mate, I always thought he could be a great talent. Don't think anyone would doubt that. But would he be worth the aggro? Just think he's a bad egg, but he might eventually grow up.

StevieK


9.) Did he not only stall because he found out that Scholes was being brought out of retirement when our midfield was depleted? Therefore, he had a valid reason to do so. I think it is one that SAF got wrong, simple as that. I've just seen rumours that Juve are looking at Kondogbia? How many DCM, CMs do they need?

Gar


10.) Gar, Pogba was stalling on a new deal a year before Scholes came out of retirement. One year before Pogba left for Juve he was being hawked around Europe by his representatives. So before the 2011/12 season even kicked off he was looking to leave. So playing time was not his reason for leaving, but a convenient excuse when papers and SAF were calling him greedy. He was always leaving like 002 said, but not being played would have certainly made his decision to leave easier. I can see it from SAF's point of view too, he knew he was stalling and didn't want to play him advertising him to the world. The more interest in him would have made it harder for MU to keep him. I have no doubt in my mind that if he signed a new deal he would have spent a lot of time playing in 2011/12 and last season would have been first choice in the midfield alongside Carrick.

Sydney!


11.) Agree with Syd 100% on this, I thought Pogba was stalling since the previous summer and was always looking to leave - which is why SAF didn't play him.

There was a period when we offered him improved terms and SAF brought him on in a game, the crowd cheered every time he touched the ball. Shortly after that we stopped playing him again, I assume because he refused to sign or was stalling again. That's what I think happened anyway and I'm confident of that TBH.

It is a massive shame though as he is precisely what we need next to Carrick, he is a top, top talent. At anything less than £25m he would be a great buy but I would have thought there is far too much water under the bridge for him to arrive back at OT. We would look foolish too, no matter what the facts were behind the scenes.


12.) HB, after SAF gave the go ahead to pay him a staggering £25k a week with a chance to double it in 12 months and gave him game time, he rejected the offer. When SAF heard about this he was furious and he and Pogba had words and that was that. He went back into the reserves for the remainder of the time he was here. It's a shame because SAF did everything to get him to stay, I lost count how many times he went on TV and said Pogba is a first teamer and he wants him to stay. £25k a week was the biggest amount we have ever offered a graduate in his first proper contract. Like Smalling's deal he would have doubled it 12 month's later. Truth is he is on less at Juve, but like 002 has said, it's future £££'s that is what took him away from MU. The promise of image rights, something he wouldn't get at MU.

Sydney!


 

 

 

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01 Sep 2017 00:49:36
Ken is right - it's only January for overseas clubs. For English clubs it's after the end of the season I think.

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Who is this new Rumpelstiltskin fellow? I like him haha!

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GDS, do you remember me calling you 'cock-sure'? Was it me that instigated this new-found sense of humour of yours? You seem to be one of few with a bit of common sense at the moment and some perspective. Don't get too used to the compliments though, eh? ;)

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Has he been told they're not for sale though? May be wrong, but I can't recall anyone saying it.

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I think it's naive to think that Ozil wouldn't get guaranteed game time with us. Even if Rooney stays, signing Ozil would certainly mean we won't get Ronaldo so with Rooney staying we'd play Ozil - Rooney - Kagawa. Surely that'd be first choice? The other options are Nani, Valencia, Zaha, Welbeck and Young. I would sell Young if we signed Ozil, were it up to me.

Freddie H.