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11 Jun 2018 16:25:29
If the media are to be believed Max philippe is interested in joining utd and would cost 40m euros. If it is true I would move Shaw on. Max is young, and was the best lb in the bundesleague last year.

The second spurious article I have seen suggests Jose would like to purchase Mbappe. I don't see it my self, but it would make sense as he can play as a RW or a back up striker. How about martial to PSG with Mbappe coming the other way?


1.) 11 Jun 2018 16:58:03
every time we buy the best player in that league for that particular position it goes tits up.


2.) 11 Jun 2018 17:16:59
the last players we bought who were considered the best in their leagues were of Ruud Vanistelroy, Jaap Stam, Andy Cole, Rio Ferdinand. Since then we have focused on potential such as Rooney, ronaldo, Evra, Vidic, deGea.

Out of the players above considered amongst the best in their league, which one was not a success?

The last player considered to be the best in his league (the bundesleague) in his position to come to the EPL was KDB and he has not done too badly. I promise you this max Phillippe will be a success with whoever signs him and I would rather it was us.


3.) 11 Jun 2018 17:18:36
I think Max has the potential to be a good signing.
Good left foot and can cross a ball! Ed 002 mentioned him as an outside chance a month or so ago.


4.) 11 Jun 2018 17:27:18
Bolger meant Kagawa and Mhiki.


5.) 11 Jun 2018 17:34:20
i was more speaking about the German league we've not had much luck.

but I've never seen him play so can't make a judgement on him.

{Ed002's Note - Nor can any of you get his name right.}


6.) 11 Jun 2018 17:20:34
Would any of the Ed’s care to provide their take on max’s Potential?

{Ed004's Note - I have never seen him play}


7.) 11 Jun 2018 19:28:26
Good player but Not the best left back in the German league. Jonas Hector was the stand out left back over the past season. He’s brilliant.


8.) 12 Jun 2018 00:12:45
Max is a great crosser of the ball with 12 assists last season. Lukaku would thrive of his service. Would be happy if we looked at him.


 

 

06 Apr 2018 11:13:10
So Madrid are interested in Martial, Pogba and surprise surprise DeGea.

I would actually consider selling them Pogba. If they want rid of Kroos then yes please, but it will Kroos and Varane for Pogba. It would be nice to be able to pull their pants down for a change. If Mbappe is worth £160m after 1 decent season I would suggest Pogba is worth as much if not more. The same goes for Martial. Mbappe has only done it in league 1 (pub league) .

I would try and replace Pogba with SMS. Pogba is clearly a naturally more gifted player, but SMS just seems to have a much better work ethic.

With SMS and Kroos in midfield with Matic, that would be a balanced midfield. Kroos might actually mean we can take a decent corner.

If we were to sell martial, I would only do so with a buy back clause at a reasonable price. So if Jose leaves and we get a more progressive attacking manager in we have an option to get the lad back.


1.) 06 Apr 2018 11:55:02
You make it sound likes its as easy as swapping football stickers.


2.) 06 Apr 2018 12:34:50
I don’t think it is as easy as swapping stickers, but if they want something we have why not ask for what we want. Or should we just bend over and say sure, take what you want.

Pogba is young, skill full and marketable and we all know how much Madrid like a galactic o.

They did not mind messing us around over moratta last summer. Setting a price then moving the goal posts. Ultimately that worked out as we got Lukaku.


3.) 06 Apr 2018 14:52:04
pogba worth more than 160 mil after 2 lame seasons? lol he doesn't get picked in front of mctominay.


4.) 06 Apr 2018 15:04:33
Oh look another Liverpool fan who has got lost and found their way onto the United page. I don’t think any footballer is worth £160m, but the market dictates the price.

Nothing worth commenting on on your own page. I thought you would all be patting yourself on the back stating that next year will be your year.

Until a big club comes and takes your best player a la coutinho. Salad to Madrid or Barcelona anybody?

On that point pogba is worth much more than coutinho, so coutinho £140m pogba £.

My point being if Mbappe is worth £160m in the current market after 1 season surely Paul Pogba is at least worth the same money at much more than coutinho.


5.) 06 Apr 2018 15:06:12
Jesus if they offered 160 million for Pogba I would drive him to Madrid.


6.) 06 Apr 2018 15:07:29
Oh wow Swishcleaner, you took the time to set up a troll account. Liverpool fan with no comments made before today. I feel bad for you.


7.) 06 Apr 2018 15:24:51
No first time here, same account as all the rumours sites on here. I was just poiting out the ridiculous statement. Fees are decided by the needs of a team generally and if anyone can honestly say they think pogbas value has almost doubled based on what other players sold for with arguably greater potential they are insane. I don’t care that he plays for man utd. It’s irrelevant . If anything his value had gone down. He was over priced to start with and shown nothing on the last 2 years to say any different.


8.) 06 Apr 2018 16:07:00
Fee's are dictated by a teams needs but he was overpriced, a bit contradictory. I agree we over paid. But based on Neymar, Mbappe, VvD etc we would be expecting 100 plus.


9.) 06 Apr 2018 16:19:20
So we would swap pogba a player most class as lazy. For kroos another player a lot class as lazy without the pace of pogba yes he can pass well. But the need for pace and power in midfield was shown by liverpool on wednesday night. Half our problem is players wandering around we don't need more of the same.


10.) 06 Apr 2018 17:21:04
I agree to a point W16wes hence I suggested SMS for the drive and penetration. Kroos is there for corners and pin point passing which will hopefully pick out lukaku and rashford/ Martial/ Sanchez / new RW movement.

As I said no player is really worth £160m. Prices are dictated by the market and as stated above the pogba, Neymar, Mbappe, coutinho, vvd moves show the market prices have inflated further. Hence pogba price has gone up. Let’s see what he does at the World Cup. I suspect given his last performance for France he will do well. Let’s see what that does for his price.


11.) 06 Apr 2018 19:15:02
Got not got-need -a shiny for a shiny😲😲.


 

 

09 Jan 2018 14:31:59
Not sure how reliable, but canal+ are reporting Lucas Moura has agreed to join utd with the clubs working on the fee.

BS. I have no idea. Time will tell.


1.) 09 Jan 2018 15:33:27
Heard the same red glory reporting we have had a bid of 17.5 mil accepted. like u don't no if it's bs or not.


2.) 09 Jan 2018 15:33:50
Surely he can’t agree to join if we haven’t agreed a fee?


3.) 09 Jan 2018 16:24:46
That's fee doesn't quite sound right.

A question for the Ed's or anyone else who knows.

Lucas Moura was named in PSG's UCL squad, but hasn't played a single minute. If he was to move to another team in the UCL could he play for them in the UCL this season or not?


4.) 09 Jan 2018 17:19:11
Shappy.

A substitute player who has not been fielded is entitled to play for another club competing in the UEFA Champions League or UEFA Europa League in the course of the same season.


5.) 09 Jan 2018 17:57:21
Cheers OxfordDevil, I thought that would probably be the case as it is with domestic cups. However I wasn't sure as UEFA and the FA's rules don't always align.

If he is able to play in all competitions potentially signing him makes more sense especially for the reported 17.5m.

For me Lucas Moura reminds me of Nani, very quick with a few tricks up his sleeve. On his day totally unplayable. However, he also seems to lack the consistency to make the jump from very good player to world class just like Nani.


6.) 09 Jan 2018 21:45:07
Caolan, sometimes the fee is the last thing to be agreed upon.


7.) 10 Jan 2018 00:08:59
I really hope this is a sick joke Moura nowhere near good enough we need starters not squad players.


8.) 10 Jan 2018 03:57:32
Shappy,
That post reminded me of something I was thinking about recently. The most skilled player we’ve ever had is Nani. Hear me out. I’m not saying he’s the best, obviously, bc he had feet of magic and a head of rocks but in terms of technical skill, flair and simple unplayability when having one of his rare top performances, not even Ronaldo was on his level. There’s a reason his top ten goals is astounding while he was always the most frustrating player in the squad. I’d love to hear feedback, but I think it’s a fair statement. If the poor guy could hit a decent cross into the box or find the right pass at the right moment he could have been incredible. But it always just seemed like his feet were Champions League and his head was nonleague. Or worse.


9.) 10 Jan 2018 08:45:11
Nani is not the most skilled player ever to play for Manchester United nor is he in the top 10 most skilled player to ever play for Manchester United.


10.) 10 Jan 2018 08:55:39
All knowing Ken who is in United top 10 skilful players? If Nani doesn’t make the list he would come very close. Don’t let your favouritism misguide you, Nani was very skilful but did not end up being the player United had hoped. Then again he was no Depay.


11.) 10 Jan 2018 09:02:47
I still liked Nani though. We don’t have anyone who is a bag of tricks.
If Jose wants Moura and sees something in him let’s get it done. We are woefully short on the right side and all our attacks come down the left or funnel through the middle. At least this way we might stretch our opponents little more and give teams something more to worry about. Lukaku has shown what he can do if we get good crosses into the box!


12.) 10 Jan 2018 09:11:49
I'd take Moura over Bernardo Silva.


13.) 10 Jan 2018 09:40:18
I would place Nani in the top ten most skilful players to have played for United in my life time at least. I still fondly remember him making mugs of half the Arsenal team by juggling the ball. It’s even more impressive when you consider he was up against professionals at the top of their game not 48 year old Sunday league old hacks.
When he was on form he was unplayable, the speed in which he changed directions left players in knots.
Unfortunately the days he was on top form were few and far between. He had two seasons where he looked like he was going to kick on, then he got injured and before he could fully recover and get up to speed Sir Alex retired and Moyes took over. Moyes was never going to be a fan of Nani and he slumped into obscurity. A sad end for a player with so much talent.


14.) 10 Jan 2018 10:18:45
Nani best ever? George Best, Bobby Charlton, Ryan Giggs, Ronnie, Big Duncan Edwards all better and it took five seconds to name just those five.


15.) 10 Jan 2018 11:10:31
hendonred, the discussion was about "most skilled", not "best". They are two very different things, and Nani was more skilled than any of those 5, although I think most would agree they were all better players than him.

I'm not sure he was our most skillful player, but if not, he was certainly close. Absolute magic to watch on his best days, few and far between though they were.

While I'd like it to be someone a bit more consistent, we could do with having a player who can pull that kind of trickery.


16.) 10 Jan 2018 11:24:16
I have to disagree. I don't think that Nani could lace George Best's boots.


17.) 10 Jan 2018 12:28:55
Nani more skilful than best. Check that one quick Thorne. That's outrageous.


18.) 10 Jan 2018 12:38:53
Ha ha . give your head a wobble . Nani and George Best were not even in the same orbit . Did you ever see Best play?

Daftest thing ever written on here.


19.) 10 Jan 2018 12:50:49
I don't think Nani is more skillful than Best. Very few in the history of football could rival Best.

However I said Nani was definitely in the top ten most skillful players in my life time, and I stand by that.

There is a difference between skillful and being the best. The best perform week in week out and they achieve great things. For example Forlan was a more skillful players than van Nistelrooy, RVN however achieved far more. Phil Neville was more skillful than Gary Neville. It isn't about what they achieved but how much talent and skill they had.

For me in my life time Scholes, Ronaldo Giggs and possibly Pogba are the ones who have the same or greater natural talent than Nani. If I was old enough to remember Best during his playing days then he would be there obviously as well, as would Charlton and Edwards.

Its such a shame Nani never fulfilled his potential.


20.) 10 Jan 2018 15:26:53
I've seen it reported that the fee is closer to 35mil, don't know if that's in Euros or pounds though. Would seem a little closer to his value in this market.

If we're getting a player from PSG, I'd much prefer Draxler mind.


21.) 10 Jan 2018 16:58:58
You've all forgotten that Bebe had mad skills.


22.) 10 Jan 2018 18:34:41
Define skill maze?
Is passing a skill? Is running a skill? Is positional awareness a skill? Is tavkeling a skill?

I think all the above are skills.

Do you lack the intelligence to understand that or are you just talking stepovers?

As for someone posting nani was more skilful than best that is just displaying complete ignorance.


23.) 10 Jan 2018 18:50:26
12days,

Not much difference between euros and pounds anymore mate so wouldn’t matter.


24.) 10 Jan 2018 19:01:31
There is a fellow that doea ball juggling outside the Trafford centre every Saturday . Great skills sign him up Shappy.
Consistency is a skill. Maybe nani is in the top 10 most inconsistent players at united ever.


25.) 10 Jan 2018 21:48:00
This is in my most ridiculous top 10 threads ever!


 

 

06 Jan 2018 23:22:09
Good evening Ed's, if you have the time, is there any validity to the reported Man Utd interest in Fred from Shaktar Donetsk?

Thank you in advance for any response.

{Ed002's Note - Not that I am aware.}


1.) 08 Jan 2018 17:17:37
We don't need him, we already have Fred the red. lol.


 

 

30 Jul 2016 20:36:12
Hi Ed's,
Do any of you know if media reports that Januzaj has asked to leave the club permanently after being told he could go out on loan are true?

Thanks.

{Ed001's Note - Januzaj has been available for a permanent transfer since last season. The club want him out due to attitude issues.}


1.) 02 Aug 2016 07:33:35
I have never seen anything great in Januzaj. Apart from a couple of goals and some decent display of skills, he has not performed well enough to get more chances. He may have potential but I think he doesn't deserve to be given more time here. That's my opinion on Adnan.


2.) 02 Aug 2016 08:06:11
Do you know the actual issues Ed?

{Ed001's Note - doesn't work hard enough on or off the pitch. One of those youngsters who thinks he has made it and so wants to enjoy the riches.}


3.) 02 Aug 2016 08:09:01
He's a young lad given too much too soon. One day he will realise but let's hope it's not too late. Elite sportsmen make it to the top not only because of their skill, but also their mental strength. Adnan clearly lacks the latter which is a real shame.


4.) 02 Aug 2016 08:39:38
It might be another PP situation for Adnan where he needs to go elsewhere and knuckledown in order to realise his potential. I fear the same for Memphis. Driving around the city centre in a Rolls Royce and parking wherever he wants hardly relates to the people of Manchester.


5.) 02 Aug 2016 09:20:20
I think it all started to go downhill when he was touted as the "saviour" of United by the media during the Moyes wilderness years and it all went to his head.

Agree about Memohis also - has echoes of Zaha.


6.) 02 Aug 2016 09:46:53
I remember on the Moyes pre season tour seeing Januzaj play 3-4 supberb passes from central midfield, then in Rio s testimonial a few weeks later his run down the right all the way into the area from inside his own half and thinking this kid could really be special - shame he seems to have lost his way.

I honestly thought Jose could bring out the best in him but it seems his days are numbered.


7.) 02 Aug 2016 18:44:40
Good evening ed, s. Are you aware if we have a back up plan, Should the Pogba deal not go ahead.
Cheers.

{Ed004's Note - I think Matuidi and Gomes were seen as alternatives to Pogba this summer}


 

 

 

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29 May 2018 14:12:45
State aid is illegal within the European Union, so why do these laws not apply to the likes of PSG and City? Ed's are you able to clarify for me please?

Thanks in advance.

{Ed002's Note - The same laws that apply to Stoke City and Rennes apply to Manchester City and PSG.

The clubs where state aid or compatible aid were in breach of the amended rules (about a dozen as I recall were split between two countries and settles needed to be reached and were). As such I really don't understand the question.}


 

 

26 May 2018 21:11:00
Forget Bales injury record, if that goal stops Liverpool winning the champions league sign him up. I don't care if he spends half the season on the treatment table, he will be a legend in my eyes.


1.) 26 May 2018 21:15:42
He can spend the whole season if that's the winner!


2.) 26 May 2018 21:31:46
Well. that one is going to ve the winner!


3.) 26 May 2018 21:34:10
People forget what a top player he is. A bit of the out of sight, out of mind. Guy's still class.


4.) 26 May 2018 21:35:35
I don't care if Madrid wins with that goal, the guy can't stay fit. I want Mou to build for the future so no, i don't want Bale. Promote from within if he has to but let's build a team to dominate.


5.) 26 May 2018 21:41:38
Never been happier to lose £100 on a bet. Bale Bale.


6.) 26 May 2018 21:52:36
Blackpool, none of my four bets came in and I’m smiling like a Cheshire Cat who just met Pepe le Pew’s girlfriend.


 

 

25 May 2018 11:58:36
Anybody else think that signing Anautovic from West Ham makes sense?

Dont get me wrong, he is by no way my first choice for the right wing, but he is quick, powerful, has a good touch and can cover as a striker if Lukaku is suspended or injured. More importantly he can cross a ball as well.

I like mata as a person and as a number 10, but I hate him on the right side of midfield. He is being set up to fail. He is not quick enough and is too easily beaten in the physical battles.

For me Anautovic makes sense in terms of improving the squad balance.

I would take Anautovic over Manzukic any day of the week.


1.) 25 May 2018 12:21:45
A player of his ability to be back up is a viable idea, a player of his personality to be back up is not.


2.) 25 May 2018 12:25:40
if we want to be winning titles and cups. players like anautovic are not the players we should be signing.

he is a mid table team player.


3.) 25 May 2018 12:30:47
I wnat another striker. But come on not Anautovic.


4.) 25 May 2018 12:31:37
If u want a striker maybe go for someone like djeko. I don't think he would be that expemsive if we can't get hold of Lewandowksi.


5.) 25 May 2018 12:41:13
Honestly have never seen arnautovic play right wing. Always seems to play on the left or in the middle just like sanchez martial and rashford.


6.) 25 May 2018 12:50:11
Singh I get what you are saying, but if you don’t have anybody who can cross a ball then having Dzeko is pointless.

I am looking at it from an evolution of the squad perspective rather than revolution perspective. Arnautovic offers cover for a season or two until Chong is ready to step up. Arnautovic and peirrera can rotate on the right.

I would like a Leon bailey on the right, but we clearly have a budget for this summer and I am looking at who can see us move forward and give us scope to buy a lb, a rb a cab and the two MF we need. We are not going to spend £500m, so let’s be realistic.


7.) 25 May 2018 13:04:47
With McKenna coming to the first team, surely we will bring 2 players on from the under 18s.
Another player that looks good is Greenwood though he is only 16 or 17 is supposed to be the best young player around the academy.


8.) 25 May 2018 13:56:41
I hope you are right Leahy. I really want the club to get back to the days of bringing through the youth, going out and buying the players we have not heard of, the schmeichels, the solskjaers, the Evras, the vidic’s, the ronaldo’s and Then addeding the super star, I. e. the Rooney, the Rio, the tevez.

It was the unpolished gems I did not know about that got me excited. This galactico ethos leaves me a little cold.

I would love a de litt from Ajax, or a max phillipe for lb, or a Kai havertz for Mf or a andraj zivkovic for the wing. A tuanze.


9.) 25 May 2018 14:02:00
A Tuanzabe a TFM and a peirrera in the first team, and so what if they are not great and need to grow. Dave the save was not world class at first and look how that’s worked out.


10.) 25 May 2018 14:21:17
Leahy

Greenwood is supposed to be exceptional, I think it’s him who can take corners and penalties with either foot. Has to get the mental side right.

Short term strikers, would Vardy be an option perhaps?


11.) 25 May 2018 14:40:39
That's right red man he can use both feet,
I often think what age is too young,
Surely at 18 your a man and should be bought in and around the first team, a lot of people say that's too young.
But look at what Hansen said you win nothing with kids.
Then look at Ryan giggs at 17 running through experienced players like they weren't there.
Have to give them a chance to see how they will cope.


12.) 25 May 2018 14:41:30
Anautovic in martial out?
Sounds very Jose.


13.) 25 May 2018 14:49:53
Leahy you need a long term not short term plan to get the kids in the team .
At the moment 1 bad half and they are straight out .
If you read above people would rather have a 30 year back up striker than give rash more opportunities to progress.


14.) 25 May 2018 15:16:53
The last thing we need is another striker forced to play on the left. We have two of those already, Arnautovic isn't better than any of them.


15.) 25 May 2018 15:19:01
What's the issue with Arnautovics personality? Only seen him when we've played against Stoke or West Spam or on the highlights. Always looked to have something. Looked to be too good for Stoke and that he should be at a level above them.


16.) 25 May 2018 15:23:42
anoutavic always strikes me as being a millisecond from punching someones lights out or raking his studs down someone. Nasty attitude.


17.) 25 May 2018 15:31:32
Greenwood just turned 16 Leahy!


18.) 25 May 2018 15:34:11
Would rather give rash and martial a chance than buy arnautovic. Very short termism if that is an option. I really like Mandzukic think he is a very good player. But again would rather see the youngsters developed.

Redman great shout on Vardy. I really like him and he has the tenacity and desire Jose expects of his players. Good goal scorer as well with 20 premier league goals this year.


19.) 25 May 2018 15:46:13
If mourinho signs arnautovic then he should be sacked the minute the signing takes place. Arnautovic is lazy, gives the ball away a lot, also capable of some brilliant stuff from time to time but very inconsistent, now remind me if we do not already have a young player who fits the description, and incidentally from what minutes he gets, we can all assume jose isn't much of a fan of that.


20.) 25 May 2018 15:48:41
Does vardy look like the type of player that would be happy on the bench? Especially at this stage if his career.


21.) 25 May 2018 15:59:39
Also meant to say that Leahy greenwood does look an outstanding talent :)


22.) 25 May 2018 16:53:21
Agree with you about Arnautovic CS Moyes. He is very inconsistent and the more he gives the ball away, which is a lot, the more wound up he gets and starts blaming everybody else.
He also strikes me as someone who might be a bit of a negative voice in the dressing room. I don't think we need that at the moment.
To be honest, I don't see any truth in the rumour or Mandzukic really. Seems a bit bizarre to me.


23.) 25 May 2018 17:36:00
Big fan of Arnautovic but hadn’t considered him a Utd player.
Dzeko too. He’d be a great option for Spurs in the event of a Kane injury.


24.) 25 May 2018 17:37:43
I think Mourinho might be trying to build a basketball team!


25.) 25 May 2018 19:14:26
He does remind me of Ibra. We all said we wish we had Ibra 10 years earlier so why not . The wig is going and he does tick the plan b box . Martial I'm afraid will be used to land another player from Spurs I think so we need another striker. 😆😆.


26.) 25 May 2018 21:41:50
All of us are always looking for that world class striker when we won the treble I wouldn’t of classed any of our strikers as world class sometimes things just work.


 

 

04 May 2018 21:30:33
This is awful, where is the bloody movement, the overlaps, the curved runs. We are too predictable, static and slow.


1.) 04 May 2018 21:51:01
It’s the 91st minute we have 8 players in and around their box and no movement. No runs across the box. Are these really professional footballers. They look more like bloody bollards. Pathetic.


2.) 04 May 2018 21:55:47
Jose looks like he knows it, which is the only sliver of hope from that performance. He looked angry on the touchline. Something has to change for next season or he’ll lose even those of us who are being patient. I think/ hope he’s only too aware of that.


3.) 04 May 2018 21:58:32
This team can always find new levels of low.


4.) 04 May 2018 22:13:15
Never been convinced by jose and probably never will be but I don't hold him responsible for players unable to pass 15 ft, no one able to dribble, no one able to hit the target.

Martial, Rashford, had no defensive duties just go out and attack, be dangerous and they were just not anywhere near good enough tonight.

Another poor performance as a team to go with so many more this last 12 months -frustrating to say the least.


5.) 04 May 2018 22:32:57
Something has seriously got to happen in the summer be it player departures or some movement in the hierarchy, if not I fear that the worldwide reputation that the club has been building over a number of years will be irreparably damaged.


6.) 04 May 2018 22:35:51
It does seem that way. The club as a whole has been massively mismanaged. Any other plc that had invested as much and underachieved the way we have would see the board sacked. I accept that from a commercial perspective we are world class, but the core business, I. e. on the pitch we are non league.

In terms of players that we have bought under Moyes, lvl and Jose who have left the club we have wasted £148m.

If the likes of Darmian, pogba, martial, Shaw, Herrera, blind, Fellaini and mata leave as expected that’s another £271m wasted.

In total that’s 16 player that have cost £419m. That’s too much churn and too much wasted money. There are no excuses. We need the football side to be as well run, with a coherent short, medium and long term strategy as the commercial side.

The issue for me, this lack of strategy has been evident since Fergie left and yet I can’t see that much has been done to correct the issue. I am off to kick the cat.


7.) 04 May 2018 22:48:56
I agree with boyburrenway the players were a joke tonight. martial and rashford had a chance to stake a claim and prove why jose was wrong in them not getting many minutes. They proved why jose is right in selecting sanchez and lukaku over them. We have been woefully mismanaged over the years and it is starting to show. Perhaps Ed002 was right in predicting that we would be in this situation. we need to buy the correct players for the system and style jose wants to play next year. There is no point chopping the manager and starting again because we will be in the same situation 2 years down the line. We back the manager and invest in who he wants. If that means martial and the likes are sold then so be it because let's face it they are not much of an asset if they do not fit the way jose wants to play. Let him have the players he wants and let's try and build something. We have one great victory against a rival and we follow it up with this crap. These players need to take account for their sub par performances and cannot blame the manager when they cannot pass the ball 5 yards. it is a joke and there must be another clear out in the summer. I hope the club are working on there targets now because we cannot be chasing our targets late on in the summer. time to start acting like a proper club instead of a spoilt child in a sweet shop. We need to sign who fits the manager's vision as opposed to the big name marquee signing so Ed Woodward can get his jollys.


8.) 04 May 2018 23:12:23
I'm not as sure as you the manager is blameless park we set up with a keeper, bk 4 who rarely venture forward, 3 in midfield, 2 of which sit until we trail in games that's 7 of the team being pretty defensive and leaving attackers miles apart and isolated .
Tonight the players played poorly attacking wise but it's not a one off .
Southampton one and none, Liverpool none, Chelsea none, Huddersfield town one, Basel none, Brighton one and none, Bournemouth one, Bristol city one, Burnley one, Newcastle none, Seville none and one and west brom none,
I couldn't pick a player out tonite as the worst they were all poor bar the keeper again . It's true the players struggled to make even simple passes tonite but the set up and instructions the team follow aren't right to me either on lots of occasions and the tempo and urgency in our play only picks up when we go behind .


9.) 04 May 2018 23:13:34
Nothing like defeat to bring out knee jerk reactions.


10.) 04 May 2018 23:20:35
I agree that the manager is not blameless slate. And I’m too frequently this season I have been underwhelmed and unimpressed with his tactics. However, how many managers are we going to go through before we realise that the players are the main problem? We have a back 4 playing today that should not be anywhere near or club if we have aspirations of winning the title. That midfield three was slower and more immobile than my nan on a zimmerframe. We know that combination doesn't work and the manager is at fault here I agree. But that front three on paper should be good enough to beat Brighton. Players like martial and rashford has a chance to really put a marker down and prove that they should be playing more. And they were quite frankly shocking. There is no excuse for a lack of desire in martial case. That’s not down to the manager that’s the player. It’s got to the point where I didn’t care who is sold our bought to be honest I just want to see some passion for the shirt. Many of these players do not have what it takes to play for united and they must be shown the door. So yes I agree the manager’s tactics are poor at times but sacking him now and appointing another manager with another few years of transition isn’t the solution for me.


11.) 04 May 2018 23:21:04
Huggy. 2 years ago, myself and RedMan were harping on the fact that our club seems to have no clear strategy and no clear direction. We discussed the terrible transformation post Fergie. We also were critical of the recruitment policy or lack of it. We cited city at the time as being the new modern business model. But we were ridiculed and assured the club was moving in the right direction.
Two years later, we're still talking about the same shortcomings, lack of quality, lack of urgency, lack of passion, lack of ideas, lack of system, lack of direction.
When are the owners and board and management going to wake up and realize they can't ignore the warning signs and actually do something about it?


12.) 04 May 2018 23:41:36
I get your point park and agree with much of what u said but why years of transition it took Conte first season to be champions and guardiola 2 seasons to be champions, why are we so different itl take someone years, Conte just changed system and got the players playing better again and pep just hit the market hard and done in quickly, why is that not possible for us . I know city started from a stronger base but Liverpool didn't and they are in a champions league final.


13.) 04 May 2018 23:50:33
Aaa agree with that but for the owners and board now it's all about the money,
That performance tonight was embarrassing
No leaders on the pitch or off it.
Changes need to be made.


14.) 05 May 2018 00:40:36
Yeh fair point slate I agree I don’t see why we cannot sustain a full 90 mins of consistent, energetic and entertaining football. We only perform when our backs are against the way or it’s too late. So frustrating and it creates such a range of emotions from great highs such as after city to the lowest of lows against Sevilla which took me about a month to get over. It’s just not good enough with the money we have spent. We clearly have weaknesses but there is no excuse for these sorts of performances we have served up all too often this season. Leahy you are right changes need to be made. We have no leaders and it is showing. Perhaps signing older players is the way to fix this I don’t know. But the blame is at both the manager’s and the players door. We are light years behind city both on the pitch and it seems off it strategically and planning wise. Time we started acting like a football club and cared about winning and not a business who cares only about the £££s In the bank account. Finally, there is no excuse for players not being arsed or putting in a lack of effort. As fans I can appreciate a loss if the players have bust a gut on the pitch. People complain about Sanchez, and rightly so as he has not been good enough. But what you cannot fault is his workrate and desire for the team. He gives 110% every time he steps onto the pitch. Compare that to martial. He sulks and struts round the pitch as if he expects it to be handed on a plate. He has immense talent, up there with sane for me. But sane works his socks off and it is paying off. Bitterly disappointed about martial but if he were to leave perhaps it is for the best.


15.) 05 May 2018 02:06:14
Rashford was worse then Martial today. He was so greedy at one point when Martial was open. I think they both wanted to score today so they can secure their place in the starting 11 on sunday.


16.) 05 May 2018 07:43:42
Eric, the vast majority of the replies on this thread are considered, not knee jerk. I am totally against over the top reactions too (and try to keep my criticisms hyperbole free) but this is not a one game thing - it's been happening on and off all season so posters have every right to question what is the problem and how to fix it.


17.) 05 May 2018 08:01:39
No issues at all with criticism of our strategy and tactics, nor questioning where our club is going. I do have an issue where it’s over the top. Even Fergie was bad for the first 3 years, and even in his pomp we lost games we shouldn’t have done.

I am just as guilty of it too in my mind. One week I think Jose is the man, the next I don’t. Just trying not react to what was clearly a poor performance. Modern society we live in.

It’s not a lack of talent it’s mentality. We cannot motivate ourselves against “lower” opposition. Everyone is to blame for that at the club, especially the players. We also seem asleep until we go behind in games then switch on.


 

 

22 Apr 2018 22:38:14
I had read that Barcelona might want to move Dembele on. I personally don't believe it as he has barely had a chance to establish himself in the team after his injury, but if they do and Jose wants to move martial on, why not investigate the potential for a swap deal. Barcelona get a top young talent and so do we. The difference being that Dembele does not mind playing on the right.

As I said above I doubt there is any validity to the newspaper gossip, but if we were to lose Martial it would sure soften the blow.


1.) 23 Apr 2018 06:19:09
Dembele will cost a lot considering what Barcelona paid for him. And if he is struggling at Barcelona ( some rumours say its due to atitude problem, ) I don't see him succeeding at Utd under Mou.

Barca need to be interested on Martial and Utd to Dembele at least to have any chance of exchange to happen.


 

 

 

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11 Jun 2018 17:20:34
Would any of the Ed’s care to provide their take on max’s Potential?

{Ed004's Note - I have never seen him play}


 

 

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11 Jun 2018 17:16:59
the last players we bought who were considered the best in their leagues were of Ruud Vanistelroy, Jaap Stam, Andy Cole, Rio Ferdinand. Since then we have focused on potential such as Rooney, ronaldo, Evra, Vidic, deGea.

Out of the players above considered amongst the best in their league, which one was not a success?

The last player considered to be the best in his league (the bundesleague) in his position to come to the EPL was KDB and he has not done too badly. I promise you this max Phillippe will be a success with whoever signs him and I would rather it was us.


 

 

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10 Apr 2018 18:40:48
Need to remember he is still young and developing. To maximise his potential he needs to play. I can’t blame the lad for looking elsewhere. The club took his number off him after he was trying to build a brand, we then bought Sanchez and moved him from his favoured position to the right. We then did not give him a run of games to get use to being on the right and then dropped him.

It does not demonstrate that he is valued. More gives the impression of you are here to make up the numbers and will be moved around or messed around as soon as we sign somebody else. I would be gutted if he left.


 

 

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06 Apr 2018 17:21:04
I agree to a point W16wes hence I suggested SMS for the drive and penetration. Kroos is there for corners and pin point passing which will hopefully pick out lukaku and rashford/ Martial/ Sanchez / new RW movement.

As I said no player is really worth £160m. Prices are dictated by the market and as stated above the pogba, Neymar, Mbappe, coutinho, vvd moves show the market prices have inflated further. Hence pogba price has gone up. Let’s see what he does at the World Cup. I suspect given his last performance for France he will do well. Let’s see what that does for his price.


 

 

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06 Apr 2018 15:07:29
Oh wow Swishcleaner, you took the time to set up a troll account. Liverpool fan with no comments made before today. I feel bad for you.


 

 

 

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29 May 2018 21:54:32
I have to eat my words. Looks like we are also looking at the young less known players. As long as he gets a chance and we rotate to help him develope I will be a happy camper.


 

 

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29 May 2018 13:15:25
The money to get Bale would be crazy. I can’t help but feel we are falling into the same trap as city did when they first got their money. Remember when they offered crazy money for Kaka.

The irony is city and Liverpool are now making purchases based on a game plan and appear to be buying well. If rumours are to be believed Liverpool are close to getting Fekir. I must say a midfield oh Keita, Fabinho and Fekir looks good on paper. All they need is a keeper and a CB and they will have significantly improved their squad.

I personally believe in terms of balance their squad is better than ours and here is food for thought, put Degea in their goal and they would have gone close to winning the league and would have won the champions league. Put Karius and Mignolet in our goal and we would not have finished in the top half. I know it’s not that simple, but anybody that says Liverpool and spurs will not be a threat next season are dillusional.

If we put alll our eggs in one basket (bale) and ignore the fact that we need a Fred, a Savic and a better DM, a RB, a LB, a CB
, a RW and a back up striker we will struggle to finish in the top 4 next season.
The likes of Jones, Smalling, Darmian, Blind, Fellaini, Herrera and dare I say it Mata need to be moved on. I know I will get accused of wanting new toys, but that is not it. Jones and Smalling have had more than enough chances to shine and have not. Darmian is not suited to the prem, blind has been tidy, but is too slow. Herrera is a player I really like, but without a proper RW to scare the other team and attract player there by creating space for Herrera to exploit he is being wasted as a man marker. Fellaini has had his moment, has scored goals, but is not creative enough or quick enough over the ground. Mata is great as a human being and as a creator. He needs to be played as a 10, but is being wasted as RW. He is to slow, too weak and never a RW. He is everything you would want in a player, talented, intelligent, works hard, never complains, but he is being criminally wasted on the RW.

Ed Woodward, I know big names keep united in the headlines which helps secure tractor deals, but come on winning things would also keep us in the headlines.

{Ed004's Note - Tbf if we signed Bale and Fred I think it would be pretty clear what our first choice front 6 would be. It seems that Jose has started to play 433 a lot more near the end of the season. I think he realises that'll be the best way to get the best out of Pogba and Sanchez. I'm still doubting whether I want us to sign Bale but whatever happens we need to sort out that right hand side of the pitch. One point I'd like to make is I don't think we need to upgrade our DM. Well certainly not for the upcoming season. Matic was possibly our player of the season last year. I think if you surround him in a midfield with mobile players (Fred, Herrera, Pogba, McTominay etc) it gives him the platform to excel. I love Mata but wouldn't be devastated to see him leave. We have come across slow and ponderous at times this season so I'm all for signing quick and mobile players to improve upon this}


 

 

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28 May 2018 21:07:38
If we were going to, we left it too late. It’s a done deal.


 

 

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26 May 2018 21:12:19
Well said Park.


 

 

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25 May 2018 14:02:00
A Tuanzabe a TFM and a peirrera in the first team, and so what if they are not great and need to grow. Dave the save was not world class at first and look how that’s worked out.