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15 Jul 2015 11:20:20
If, as appears possible, Lewandowski is available for 35/40m, then we should be looking at nobody else. He is perfect for United, better than any other option out there.
1.) 15 Jul 2015 11:28:57
35m for a player of his quality shouldn't be any trouble to Man Utd. If Bayern are willing to sell and it is for the rumoured price and of course is wanted by LVG, then I don't see why he won't be ours.
2.) 15 Jul 2015 11:32:33
Definitely! As a player purchase only! No swap crap! 40mil is well worth it for him
3.) 15 Jul 2015 11:53:52
I found Lewandowski's agents comment interesting. It may mean nothing but seemed strange to put a price out there above which United would have to bid, it made me wonder if there was a release clause but would surprise me if he was so brazen to put it out there. He also mentioned a big wage packet which I am sure we would offer. For me, and I have said this for a while, Lewandowski is the best fit and if there is any chance of getting him we should try
4.) 15 Jul 2015 12:06:28
The best way of getting him is to give them ADM if not offer 50 million they got him on a free so find it hard to believe they wouldn't be tempted he's perfect for LVGS system hfully it means dropping rooney
5.) 15 Jul 2015 12:08:47
I was really gutted when we missed out the first time. He isn't not a favourite of Pep and I'm sure he would be open to a move, guaranteed starter, CL, chasing the EPL title under one of the world's most successful managers. What is not to like.
24 Oct 2013 11:13:17
I must see things totally different from everyone else.
Giggs was not good last night. If you watch him while play is continuing around him, he strolls around. I guarantee if we were playing a better team himself and Carrick would have been destroyed. Our play in the center with the two of them together is a thrashing waiting to happen.
Valencia has no end product. Every time he got the ball he tried to run with it, and goes nowhere. He does not have the ability to get a quick ball into the box.
Hernandez can't control a ball coming straight at him and pass it back to a runner.
Kagawa looked promising. I thought Rooney did good. Evra did his usual attacking runs and then forgetting he is actually a defender and strolls back into position 10 minutes too late.
This team would have been annihilated by a top-class european side.
Great to get a win though!
J Bones.
1.) Bones,
Giggs is now limited but what he did last night he did well. I think (hope) it is safe to say that playing against a better team than last night we would not have played the way we did, keeping the game open with Giggs and Carrick as the midfield 2. We were able to do that last night because of who we were playing against and it worked well, we won the game without a few key players playing.
Maybe the selection was down to good scouting of the opposition and Moyes realising their midfield wasn't that good and we could play Giggs and allow others a rest?
2.) J Bones - Couldn't agree more. It's sad how many people are saying they were wrong about Giggs etc, if this is what we have come to expect from our performances and class it as a good outing by Giggs then the Glazers have done their job well.
That performance against any Utd team 3 years ago would have ended up in an absolute hiding. Giggs made a couple of cameo runs at the end and had a couple of "harlem" touches, but he did nothing else apart from give it away and be by-passed time and again by their players. Did he make one challenge?
Any professional could look good doing little flicks now and again, especially when the commentators are salivating "record appearance, counting qualifiers", "40+ and still running", YES he is paid a fortune to run for a living and he plays in the heart of midfield for a team he should be nowhere near now, he is a major liability, brilliant servant but this rubbish chat just extends his shelf life with easily lead fans.
We were up against fodder, the performance was average at best, but good signs from the centre halves and Kags. But again who were they up against?
Sorry to be negative, but we need some perspective here. Fellaini would have looked composed against that lot last night.
3.) Agreed guys.I thought we played OK. But we were playing an average team.
Positive is Kagawa started and finished.
Against a better team, we would have been found out, as we needed more midfielders and younger midfielders.
My worry is RVP, as I have mentioned in the past, I know Van Gaal and he has intimated that RVP is not happy. We need RVP to be firing on all cylinders if we're going to be successful.
4.) Mr sween
So who would you of played last night instead of giggs
5.) Jred - I would have played Smalling as Centre Half and pushed Jones into Centre Mid with Carrick. That way we get to hopefully see Smalling develop a bit as he seems to be going backwards and Jones gets a full 90 in a position that he may have to step into when injuries start creeping in.
6.) Sween.
Jones deserves a run of games at cb imo.
Our tempo has been the main issue for me GIGGS improved that yesterday, I don't think Jones playing cm would of his passing is no where near good enough.
Moyes has made some mistakes but I think he got it right last night
7.) Mr Sween
Jones can't pass the ball forward once he gets into the opposition half and never a midfielder. He is a big body to break up play and we were not going to play that way at home. Whilst the opposition might nto have been Real Madrid, The players were given a job to do and they did it well and the score line is deceiving.
8.) I have to agree with Jred, it was Giggs' tempo that helped us last night. A midfielder able to run through midfield unafraid to take a player or two on. Much like Cleverley and Anderson did before Cleverley got clattered by Davies. We need a midfielder who is able to burst forward and grab the game by the scruff of it's neck.
9.) Jred - Fair enough pal, I agree that given the options his choice paid off big time, it would have been horrible for another one to be let go. I agree that Jones needs to cement his position at CB, but playing Giggs is stifling a lot of the youngsters and seems a bit pointless.
My major gripe is all the sudden love for Giggs when a few weeks ago nigh on everybody was against him wearing a Utd shirt again. I'm just saying that virtually any CM player could have done the same if not better than Giggs last night.
Let's see what we do on Saturday, but I'm pretty sure Giggs won't be starting even if Moyes buys into this "awesome display" lark.
10.) Sween
GIGGS performance was better than any fellaini has produced so far this season .
Cleverly is injured and Anderson can't stay fit or last 90 minutes.
As for the youth if they are good enough they will get a chance
11.) Jred, I was thinking about this earlier actually. If Daehli had given it one more season, he may well have got himself an appearance this season. Although the one to watch in terms of midfielders from the academy is no other than Ben Pearson. He used to be a striker and has been converted into a midfielder very well. He has impeccable close control and balance. Great at getting out of tight spots and of course being an ex-striker, he has a goal threat.
12.) Mr Sween, what youth players was Giggs holding back last night, playing in that role?
StevieK
13.) StevieK
My point isn't just about last night, it's about people saying how well he played when he didn't play that well. Having Giggs in the squad means we haven't got another midfielder taking that position, Powell would/should be getting a lot of games if he wasn't out on loan! Instead Giggs plays and Powell is at Wigan - if you swap the two over Powell will be coming on leaps and bounds, getting vital experience - are you telling me that last night wouldn't have been ideal for Powell instead of Giggs?
GCU, I appreciate Jones isn't great with the ball, but he certainly adds energy to the midfield and runs at them, this is what Giggs offered last night according to a few people - he gave the ball away a lot as well and didn't put a foot in, so Jones wouldn't be any worse and it would have meant Smalling got 90 mins.
Maybe Giggs's experience is useful in some games, but not against mickey mouse-ville and certainly not at the expense of new talent coming in. We would have been fine with Carrick holding, Nani/Janujaz on the left and Kagawa just in front of Carrick with Rooney just in front of him and then Hernandez up top.
14.) Mr Sween, how can anyone on here possibly know if Powell is good enough to play in a CL match?
He's played lower league football and a handful of games for us.
Are you and others, in this mad dash to throw in all our youngsters, really prepared to risk not qualifying from the group stages?
We need certain players to do certain jobs, and Giggs will help us at least get out of the group.
15.) I think we all know that Powell is good enough to play in a CL game. The main reason being he played in two last season.
I'm beginning to wonder if you watch United games at all StevieK, with you going on about Giggs only playing 5min against Southampton last night, and now wondering if Powell can do something he has already done.
16.) Mr Sween
Powell is nowhere ready for even a premiere league game and you think we can throw him in against a decent spanish side in a must win game in the CL, I have to disagree.
I think there is a tendency to overrate players. The reason zaha and powel are not playing is because the other guys are better at this time. If they were ready they would play.
I understand your frustration in terms of a 40 year old being our best option but the solutions lie outside of the bunch of players we currently have and we need to buy 2 midfielders. There is possibility the young guys everyone talks about never make it with us.
17.) Danny
So if he is good enough to play in CL games why did we send him out on loan.
I have watched him twice this year playing for wigan in the championship and once in europe and he is not ready for the pl in my opinion. Believe me I have no interest in wigan and only watched the games to see how he was doing and it was painful watching Wigan:)
He does not get involved enough and does not make himself available for a pass and needs to improve on his movement quite a bit before we can throw him into our midfield.
18.) Powell would have been ready for the EPL this season had he not suffered a bad injury that resulted in an operation. We must remember that Powell isn't a central midfielder, he is further forward than that and he could do a job for us now no problem. Next season he will be in the MU team.
19.) Shahram, there is a reason why Zaha isn't getting an opportunity and it has naff all to do with not being good enough or being ready. It is far more personal than that.
Powell would be in our team now had he not suffered with injury. SAF made that very clear and the games he did play for us when fit, he was very good. Especially when playing out of position.
20.) Sydney
Where do you play him and who do you drop, I am interested to know.
21.) GCU - The Champions League Group stage is typically nowhere near as strong as the Prem. We should have battered Sociedad, we battered Leverkusen and we played terribly in the Ukraine and still draw, if we had gone for it we would have beaten that heavily hyped team who have lost their way as well. All three of our opponent's are much weaker this season, just as we are - but we are nowhere near as poor as them. Powell would probably have fitted in perfectly.
Sociedad's star player couldn't even get a kick for Arsenal and we all know how limited they have been upfront in recent years, Bentner and Chamakh, come on!
Yet we struggle against Sunderland, deservedly draw against Southampton and get beat by West Brom. All teams we should expect to beat in the Prem.
I think you have bought into the Media/UEFA rubbish that the Champions League is ultra competitive. The groups vary massively, it's more of a lottery than anything else. Obviously some groups are difficult, but ours is a piece of cake this season and I can't believe it has come to the point where people think a 1-0 win at home against a woeful Spanish team is justification for Giggs starting.
If Powell couldn't play in that match then he shouldn't be a Utd player. Of course he could have played and he would have done a better job against Southampton than Giggs in my opinion and the numerous other games Giggs has played in. Plus he could be playing in the League Cup and getting more action now that we have a very poor and injury hit midfield.
I have loved Giggs over the years, but enough is enough, he isn't playing agaisnt other 40 year olds, or with other 40 year olds, so stop judging him as a 40 year old. As I have said before, if Anderson or Clevs had played just as well as Giggs they wouldn't even be getting a mention for their performance, so this is ridiculous.
22.) This champions league group is not as easy as you make it out to be mate and we have had bad nights against a lot lesser teams in that competition.
I also don't see what you see in powel, Don't get me wrong he is young player with potential but no way on earth he is ready to sit in our midfield in a CL tie to push the pace and distribute.
Anderson is a defensive liability and to be frank an embarrassment as a professional. Can not believe a 25 year old who has been here for 5/6 years now can not compete for 90 minutes and can't get to a level of fitness to at least make the bench. The sooner guys like him are sold the better off the club.
If you think Giggs has more bad games than good ones, Anderson has a good 20 minute spell 3 times a year. Giggs played well on Wednesday and did exactly what was asked off him and is not holding anyone back because unfortunately he is our best option at the moment.
23.) Shahram, if you are referring to Zaha, then I would play him RW ahead of most of our wingers. If you are talking about Powell, then I wouldn't drop anyone to play him, it's a squad game after all and he would get his chances. He will next season that's for sure.
24.) GCU - I can appreciate what you say about us having struggled against a lot less - but this season we are fielding our best 11 where possible in the Champions League, we haven't in recent years until it's becoming a bit dangerous. The teams we are playing have had their hearts ripped out during the summer and were far below what you would expect in terms of quality.
We will have to agree to disagree about Anderson. I believe he would be an immense player for us if he was given a run of games and could stay fit. He is precisely what we miss, somebody who takes the game to the opposition and connects midfield to attack, drawing defender into him and freeing up space. His distribution is questionable at times, but no worse than Giggs. Having him play makes our team far more dangerous, but we do have to ensure Carrick is on the ball because he isn't great defensively.
We were severely limited with our options on Wednesday and this is my point about long term planning being needed, resorting to Giggs because he is the only fit midfielder in our squad is a sad state of affairs and my point is that it's time he moved on and let that number be filled by a youngster or new signing that can progress.
I'll leave this one for a bit pal and hopefully catch up on Saturday. Stoke should be interesting.
Fellani will be good for us, if Moyes plays someone creative (Kagawa needs a run of games badly) in front of himself and Carrick. It will also allow Moyes to play his wingers as attackers more than defenders (Zaha instead of Giggs?) because there will be more solidity in the centre. Fellani as DM will also allow Carrick to become a much more forward-looking player, and Carrick is very good at this when he has the freedom to do it. I just hope Moyes allows us be more creative!
Sounds great, but they have to prove themselves first.
Giggs can't even realise that he should be retired. If he has hopes to be a coach/manager, and he can't see that he had a crap game against Liverpool, what does that say about him? How does he sit down with the staff when reviewing the game and not criticize himself? I have nothing against him for trying to prolong his career as a player. But he is now part of the coaching staff, and as such he has to put the teams interest before himself.
I think Gary will stay with presenting/commentating.
Scholes may yet be the only one to become a manager.
Terrible, terrible idea. This is the last thing this club (and Moyes or any future manager) needs.