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12 Sep 2018 12:19:12
Hi Ed’s and anyone else in the know.
Are we seriously in for the director football from athletico?
Sounds we are looking to appoint a defensiv minded DOF to go along with our last three defensive minded managers.
What’s going on in the club?
Thx an advance.

Jonny8

{Ed002's Note - Andrea Berta was the Director of Football chosen as the desired choice of Mr Mourinho in 2016. I cannot answer the "seriously in for" aspects of your question but the club are looking for a Director of Football and Berta was one of the two that Mr Mourinho was comfortable with but he has since then been promoted from his position as Technical Director to the co-ordination role of Director of Football which might well suit Woodward but would not address the true problem the club has. If appointed to a similar role at MU it would be another major mistake.}


1.) 12 Sep 2018 12:54:24
Thank you Ed.

What is the major problem at the club?
Wrong people making footballing Decisions? If so who are making the decisions?
Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - We have been through this ad nauseum Jonny.}


2.) 12 Sep 2018 13:19:54
I’ll try my luck on the research then.
Thanks for the reply.


3.) 14 Sep 2018 23:11:28
What's so special about Berta?


4.) 17 Sep 2018 09:09:06
My guess is he’s played a very key role in atleticos recent success missingfergie.


 

 

23 Jul 2018 19:08:22
Hey Ed002,

Is there any legs to the rumour that Marquinhos agent approached United whether interest still exists?

Could be the CB for both Jose and the board to agree upon.
Enough seasons under his belt to appeal to Jose, possibly and still young enough for the board to hope for rising value.

Jonny8

{Ed002's Note - It would be reasonable to assume Bertolucci has after talking to at least two other sides, one English, about the player.}


 

 

30 Apr 2018 12:52:15
Hi Eds,

Any truth in the rumors Buvacs is leaving Liverpool and Klopp in anger?

He would be a great addition to our backroom.

Someone mentioned the idea of getting another assistant for Mourinho, as Fergie did so often, to keep him tactically up to date.

Can’t see it happen for multiple reasons unfortunately.

Thanks in advance.

Jonny8

{Ed001's Note - bit early to say, things might be resolved yet.}


1.) 30 Apr 2018 13:34:23
Apparently Klopp's assistant is off, the plot thickens.


2.) 01 May 2018 16:15:18
Talk that he's Wenger replacement.


 

 

08 Nov 2017 21:28:10
Hi Eds
Is there anything in the Mourinho to PSG rumours?
Or is it just tactic from him to get money out of the board for strengthening in January opposed to having to sell first?
Thank you very much in advance.

Jonny8

{Ed002's Note - He needs to look at options available and going forward - PSG is an interesting one. I don't want to become embroiled in any discussions but you have to consider that MU is a difficult club to manage both internally and externally.}


1.) 09 Nov 2017 01:41:18
Ed002 i am sorry if i didn't understand (because of my English) but what do you mean by saying he needs to look at options? The club will force him to move so he need that change in his career or is the problems with the place and his family who aren't with him?

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware that the club are forcing anything.}


2.) 09 Nov 2017 06:44:35
Hi Ed002,
What you say makes sense, however it was only 6 weeks ago or so that’s JM was saying how he hoped to be at United for many many years. Is it really a case of now the title is looking less likely this season, he is reconsidering his future? Of course we all ‘do have a look at the menu even if we are on a diet’, is it just simply a case of this? I had hoped JM would be with us for certainly another few years yet.
Thanks as always.

{Ed002's Note - I would not pay too much attention to what JM says.}


3.) 09 Nov 2017 08:16:28
Ed is the difficulty due to the size and image of the club - which attracts the focus they get form the press / media / fans or is it because of the way the club is run - the board, no tech. director, etc.
One is a consequence of success whereas the other is a much bigger problem.

{Ed002's Note - No. I explained soon after he joined what the issue was.}


4.) 09 Nov 2017 12:50:36
Mourinho hasn't got the backing of the entire board. Ed002 mentioned that there was a split within the club about whether Mourinho was the right man to manage our club.

His recent comments about him needing to be backed are testament to his feeling/ knowledge that he wasn't unanimously wanted by the board.

He wanted us to sign at least four players in the summer, Lindelof, Lukaku and Matic came in. We chased Perisic and Griezmann to no avail.

Maybe Mourinho feels if he had the full backing of the board then maybe he would have an extra new player or two which would make his life much easier. Especially at the moment when we have had a few injuries and some sections of the fans have turned on him a bit due to results and performances.

Jose above everything else has to feel loved, if he doesn't then he has a tendency to sulk, that tends to turn inward and he self destructs ending with him leaving the club.

At this time unless thing change quickly I doubt Jose will be our manger at the start of next season.


5.) 09 Nov 2017 14:44:08
He is quick to throw his toys out the pram. To be fair to him he wants a top centre half, winger, full back, and a new manager coming in tomorrow would want a top centre half, winger and full back- Griezemann was no ones fault, Varane and marquinhos weren't for sale and i don't know about full backs, so the guy has to be realistic on what the club can get, they have backed him well so far -even Ibra got to stay!

Its all subjective but Blind/ Darmian/ smalling/ Rojo/ young/ Shaw/ fellani could have all been moved on in the summer, but you can't sell injured players, and you can't sell players who are covering for injured players (ie blind) so it could all have been different . The guy should man up and get on with it, the club has its problems but it still should be an honour to manage it, to have your name along side Busby, SAF - for all his faults LVG felt that way about the club.


6.) 10 Nov 2017 02:59:08
So Jose expects to be bigger than the club, in a nutshell?!

Every manager at every club in world football could point to their team and say "we could improve here", they all want MOAR! Fact is we don't know exactly what has been discussed behind the scenes. I do know that Jose has been backed with mega money both summers, he is paid mega money himself, he is living in a hotel (STILL), his agent or he is flirting with other clubs, he looks miserable most weeks, we play in a way that reflects the managers outward demeanor.

He hasn't lasted long at any club before there is infighting. I'd let the spoiled kid take his out-dated ball back to his house. How can a club like ours be seen to be treading on eggshells for this guy beggars belief - cut him loose, he's the managerial equivalent of a 'footballers wife', nothing is ever good enough, everyone is to blame but himself if things go South and my God he will bleed you dry financially and emotionally as he spreads his toxicity and leaves you in the lurch!

We wanted Jose of 10 years ago, like we wanted LVG of 20 years ago. It could have worked, it didn't, move on to the next contender until we get it bang on.


7.) 10 Nov 2017 21:21:36
It didn't work Beast, didn't we win two cups last year, we are still second in the table despite going through a rough patch since the international break and suddenly you want to ditch him. Who else is out there that can manage us? Sometimes I think you underestimate the task of managing a club like United, have we become as bad Real Madrid where some of the fans want to sack Zidane after back to back Champions League wins just because they are 3rd this year.
Maybe supporting a football team isn't for people like you, maybe you should look for another pastime.


 

 

10 May 2017 19:29:44
Does anybody know which club Herrera flirted with on international duty?
Was it Barcelona?

Thanks.

Jonny8

1.) 11 May 2017 05:39:08
It was the Hacienda.


2.) 11 May 2017 13:20:15
Brilliant 😂.


3.) 11 May 2017 13:38:25
Showing your age there AJH :-)


4.) 11 May 2017 16:50:51
I was thinking 21 Piccadilly or Discotheque Royale.


5.) 11 May 2017 17:30:44
Konspiracy was class. Rooney was once spotted at grab a granny night at Fagin's.


6.) 11 May 2017 17:32:08
Jillys is where de gea would of dragged him.


7.) 12 May 2017 05:15:08
I preferred Rotters or Pips.


8.) 12 May 2017 15:49:10
Fridays?


 

 

 

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26 Sep 2018 17:59:28
Hi Ed,
Since Zidane resurfaces I‘d Lille to ask you one thing.
If I remember correctly he worked as Director of Football (or something along that line) before coaching the 2nd team and then the first team.
Is this correct and how much input did he have in assembling the impressive squad they have/ had last season?

Jonny8

{Ed002's Note - I don't know what you mean by "since Zidane surfaces" but he was an adviser to the board initially (giving advise on transfers and the like), then an assistant to Mr Mourinho and then an assistant to Carlo Ancelotti, but he was there to learn not influence. He then took over the kiddies side. He is not credited with repsonsibility for assembling the firts team side as such.}


1.) 26 Sep 2018 21:58:41
I meant Zidane rumours resurface.
Thanks for the quick reply.
Was hoping that he was at least partly responsible for assembling the squad, apparently not.

Anything in the rumours he agreed a pay package with United? Supposedly to take over as from october at the earliest.

Thanks a lot. Have a great evening.

{Ed002's Note - I had no idea Jonny - nobody has mentioned it hear today. Who has agreed a pay package? You mean Zidane?}


 

 

12 Sep 2018 12:52:27
Is Rashford wearing the number 10 for both club and country?
Quite a challenge to stay grounded considering this.

Jonny8

1.) 12 Sep 2018 14:57:58
Im not sure it makes any difference what number ge wears jonny.
This week will have done is confidence no harm at all. 4 games over next 2 weeks will hopefully see him start a couple.


2.) 12 Sep 2018 17:05:50
Nice to see him finish but they were instinctive goals. Anything he has to think about he is often terrible. Even his goal against Spain was a poor finish (but great movement and put on a plate by Shaw exceptionally) .

Every time I watch him I come away feeling like he doesn't have a winners mentality, looks really clueless with the ball and is just good at running. He often doesn't beat a man with his raw pace either if running with the ball at his feet. He is far too raw for me to make it at the very top, he simply isn't good enough and even though he is young he seems to have that obliviousness that the very top players don't have.

He seems like a lovely young man, nothing against him at all, aside from the fact I don't think he is good enough to be a starter for Utd if we want to be among the best again any time soon. It's players like Rashford that sum up our drop off for me. He wouldn't be getting a kick 6-7 years ago, if he signed for a mid-table team he would drift into the wilderness. I can't see him getting into any first team regularly for the elite teams in Europe.

He hasn't improved since he first broke into the team and that is a big worry, he has reached his ceiling - cash in whilst the hype still exists or we will be stuck with another Januzaj, remember him?!


3.) 12 Sep 2018 17:07:09
Ken, the silly boy is going to be sitting in the stands for the next 3 games.


4.) 12 Sep 2018 18:18:52
True mumbles. He was stupid but i hope he learns from that. Might provide mata or martial with an opportunity.


5.) 12 Sep 2018 18:23:13
I hate to say it, but i agree with Beast more than a 100%. I would have said the same but Beast has said it better.


6.) 12 Sep 2018 18:49:39
But beast had Welbeck down as the best thing since sliced bread!? 😂 go figure 🤔.


7.) 12 Sep 2018 21:12:37
I disagree a shan and beast. i'm not one who says he should be replacing lukaku in the team as the main cf.
The kid is talented but very few 20yo cf are the finished article.
At times if we play 2 up he is a good option and a very good back up to lukaku at this stage of his career. He will start 20 plus games this season i guess in all comps and feature in 45. If he plays well of course.
I can't think of msny better back up strikers. Jansen at spurs? Solanke at pool? Ok jesus at city? Chelsea?
Beast i think it bodes well and its not a negative that he finished instinctively. Because with experience he will improve his conversion ratio when he has time. His decision making wull improve with experience.
He has lots of time on his side and right now possibly only chelsea of the top clubs would he be a starter.
I don't know if he will be better than welbeck for example i think he will.
Will he be another henry or RVN i doubt it but he is on a par with them at his age.
Why get rid? To replace him with a better no2 for the right money would be tough and he has plenty of time to fulfill his potential. He has never let himself down for effort or attitude and for me that bodes well for the future.
He is not a superstar but he has the potential to improve quite a bit.


8.) 12 Sep 2018 21:55:11
Great post that ken.


9.) 12 Sep 2018 22:11:11
I was not saying anything about his performances.
Just wondered if he really is level headed enough to not feel he‘s done it after being given the number 10 for both the national team and the biggest club in the country.
Hope he makes them his own and proves worthy of them.


10.) 13 Sep 2018 06:45:10
I’m with ken, he’s only 20and has huge potential. The challenge is continuing to develop, getting some good directions n and coaching, and moving up to the next level. There have been very few 20 year olds with his potential. We should cherish him.


11.) 13 Sep 2018 07:59:57
Looking at our squad we have three potentially great strikers, at least three very good/ great No.10's and no natural wingers.

Two of our three potentially great strikers are young and need minutes.

Personally I think we should be playing a diamond formation without wingers, making two striker positions available so that Rashford and Martial can rotate and play in their best position alongside Lukaku taking some of the strain off them and Lukaku.

While Sanchez, Lingard and Mata can fight it out for the No.10 position.

It would also give us a midfield three stopping us getting over run in the middle.

BOTH Rashford and Martial are potentially great players for us. However, we have to get them minutes in their best position if they are to reach that potential.


12.) 13 Sep 2018 08:43:53
If you took him as a 20 year old just breaking through I'd totally agree. But the guy has been around for a while now, he has played a lot of games and frankly being honest does he look better now than when he first broke onto the scene?

I think he has gone a bit backwards to be honest, all this 'learning from Zlatan and Romalu' lark seems to have held him up. The inconsistency of selection and position is an issue, but I'd have expected to see a lot more improvement. I fear that at the age of 23 he will be no better than he is now. I suppose a Theo Walcott is a better example (but he has less
brains and umpf about them than Theo, more natural talent but he doesn't know or can't be taught how to harness it) .

BTW - Welbeck I championed because he was worth more than £15m in my book, LVG wanted to play with wide players that would work hard and Danny works like a dog. His best asset is being able to rob defenders of the ball and therefore create an attack out of nothing with the opposition being out of position. He is a poor finisher and made of glass, but LVG needed him for his system - it was a complete contradiction selling him and really irritated me as I could tell the manager was clueless.

Also Welbeck was one of our own once, I imagine some of the people using Rashford coming from our youth system as a good excuse to keep him could be saying similar things about Rashford as they many others do about Welbeck in a few years.

I just don't think he is up to snuff and hope to be proven wrong, but Rash needs to actually improve rather than stand still for 3 years. We could probably get some team to pay £60m for Rashford now on hype and being English, in 3 years time if he stays with us I'd be amazed if we get more than £20m and that includes inflation - probably run his contract down, on account of limited games if I were to bet.


13.) 13 Sep 2018 09:54:26
Helooks like a rabbit in the headlights when he has time to think, but he is still a kid and would nurture him a while longer. Regarding his stupidity in getting a red: agree as he should have full blown nutted the dispicable little prick and made t worth while!
What is it with players playacting as if they've been shot to get some fellow pro a card?


14.) 13 Sep 2018 10:20:06
Mumbles he can play in Europe. ir is only a domestic ban.


15.) 13 Sep 2018 18:35:20
Its a domestic ban only.


16.) 13 Sep 2018 18:53:18
2 games for England, 2 goals, the lads gone backwards. I can’t believe the dismissing of a 20 year old.


17.) 13 Sep 2018 20:37:13
Beast i can see your point. I felt the same about shaw but for different reasons. While 4 games doesn't prove anything i'm very open to the fact i'm probably and i hope i am proven wrong.

As i said when we play 1 up front in our current squad he is not 1st choice. But if lukaku is injured for a periodof let's say 10 straight games i think rash could replace him and do well, but lukaku is the no1 choice for that position and i think that's the right chouce based on form.
If he does get a chance of a long run of games rash could well surprise a few.


18.) 14 Sep 2018 14:49:50
AJH - did you watch the games?

Ken - Of course at the minute we are short up top, but pretty much whenever Rashford leads the line he has been a non-entity. I'm not anti-Rash I just don't think he is good enough for Utd if we expect to be winning things. Golden opportunity to cash in on him whilst the hype is there imo, just from a commercial point of view. We could spend that money more wisely on a backup striker. Rashford can bring an X factor, but we only see it sporadically and it's not reliable enough. We have many players that turn up sporadically though so it isn't surprising. I'd love our players to perform 4/ 5 games, but most perform 1/ 5 to the level required.


19.) 14 Sep 2018 20:35:44
I know your not anti rash and i understand your point of view on this one but i think he still has a lot to offer and a lot to improve upon.
Not sure he will ever be a superstar the hype is very OTT. But that's the case with plenty of young english or young united players.


20.) 14 Sep 2018 23:06:43
I don't buy into he is young and only 20 business. Just look at the french kid Mbappe, similar age and he is getting better by the year and way way above the quality of Rashford
Mbappe is so cool infront of goal he looks natural. Rashford will never have this, its something you either have or you don't.


 

 

28 Aug 2018 18:41:12
Hello Ed002,

Thank you very much for all the info you’ve given and keep giving us.
I keep wondering about one bit though.
You keep saying we should take everything Jose says to the media with a pinch of salt.
I take from that he wants to achieve something with some kind of a show for the media.
Do you have a clue what he is trying to achieve at the moment, or let’s say up until recently, with his grumpy pre-season and start to the season?
Apparently he is different within the camp.
Is he positive towards the team? Is he positive towards EW / the board?
Why is he kicking his Defence in the media?
Thank you in advance for your insights here.

Jonny8

{Ed002's Note - Yes, I would not take any notice of anything he says. He is certainly not interested in trying to provide any sort of "show" for the media. He is trying to achieve the side winning, being successful and, if it is viable, playing attractive football as well. He doesn't need to be positive toward anyone, particularly the media who ask tiresome questions and look to trap an answer in order to produce a splash headline. He certainly does not need to appease players or massage their egos - they have a job to do, if they do not feel they are up to it they simply need to go along to his office and blubber about them not being up to it and demand to play every game and they can be shown the door. He doesn't need to be positive toward the board, he has a job to do and he will do it as best he can. What you need to do is ignore everything he says, and not listen to it and try to analyse what he means from it. I spent a little under two hours with someone who is "high profile" in the media last Tuesday. A complete moron who is looking based on a five minute conversation with person x to publicly try and tear person y apart based on hearsay and without any knowledge of the facts at all. It is a pitiful and predominantly British problem - I would have said English but he isn't. Try not to get in to over thinking these things, try not to take what you hear and read in the media as gospel.}


1.) 28 Aug 2018 19:15:48
Thanks Ed.

So basically you mean he simply tries to best avoid their games and traps?
But there is no agenda from his side at all?

I’m not British, so might misunderstand that, but I’d guess it would be easier on his side to be Mr. Niceguy then to Mr. Grumpy.
But nevermind, I just hope they get their Act together and turn this into a better season then the previous two. That would mean we are moving in the right direction.

Thanks and have a nice evening.

{Ed002's Note - No, I mean what I said. He doesn't need to be anything with them - you seem to be trying to over analyse everything - what he said what I say. Have a nifty evening yourself.}


2.) 28 Aug 2018 19:45:55
Ed02 what went wrong for Jose at Chelsea? I you don't mind me asking .
Early days but from the outside its starting to look a bit similar.

{Ed002's Note - Try the Chelsea page.}


3.) 28 Aug 2018 19:49:22
Good insight this Ed and makes good reading. Do you think he’d get a lot more support from the club if he wasn’t so outwardly grumpy? Or, does he not care / make a bit of difference?
I buy into not pandering to players though. Get our head down, work hard and earn your super salaries!

{Ed002's Note - I don't understand the question - uou think the support of the club varies depending on the outward mood swings of the manager?}


4.) 28 Aug 2018 20:15:02
thanks for the great insight Ed, we’re tabloid fodder at the moment, it seems like the media spend there day trying to make football as dramatic as Coronation street.


5.) 28 Aug 2018 22:17:31
Not the support of the club Ed no, that clearly won’t change, but the support of the manager. What I am saying is Jose’s surly public persona certainly could put a lot of fans off backing him as the man they feel to take the club forward - you can see it clearly on these pages.

{Ed002's Note - Who cares if the fans are fickle as well as toxic.}


6.) 28 Aug 2018 23:30:10
All clubs have fickle fans.

{Ed002's Note - You sound like a Liverpool fan trying to make it about someone else. Embarrassing.}


7.) 29 Aug 2018 07:40:20
Glad to see that ed002 has clarified the gutter british media. I would say sports journalists, but they have little interest in sport and more in sensationalism and outright lies. A few on here would do well to remember that when reading.


8.) 29 Aug 2018 08:55:01
You’re right in hope, and it’s not just restricted sports journalism which is far more damaging.


9.) 29 Aug 2018 11:47:29
Really insightful and thought-provoking read Ed002, thank you.

Really can’t be easy for Jose at the moment.


10.) 29 Aug 2018 12:39:15
Some of our fans are the worst. Just look at how they behaved around LVG sacking.


11.) 29 Aug 2018 13:08:37
Angel
Can you remember the abuse our captain and all time scorer got.
Unfourtantlt a lot of fans are like that.


12.) 29 Aug 2018 14:19:11
Angel, do you remember how poor the football style was under LVG? I think time is starting to tell with how some of us view his stewardship. The revisionism seems to be creeping in. Yes, he had a philosophy and style, which is more then Jose seems to have at the minute, but it was a God-awful style. I'd still take watching Jose's efforts over LVG's any day of the week.


13.) 29 Aug 2018 15:31:22
Abuse Rooney got? Like personal? Or what abuse do you mean? Please elaborate on that.

Maybe just some fans rightfully saying he was finished as a contributor to our team. I think they were right about that as it has been shown in the last number of seasons. Unless I'm mistaken and he isn't playing in the US?

However, the respect he received from the very same on here because of his achievements is unquestionable.

Nou, there was a plan in place, fans changed that. We are where we are because that change was made.


14.) 29 Aug 2018 15:32:33
Jred, don't mistake criticism for abuse. No matter what suits your narrative.


15.) 29 Aug 2018 16:03:11
Angel
Yet abuse non football and footy related .
And yet your getting your knickers in a twist because some people have critised our manager, who so hasn't achieved a great deal compared to our previous captain .

So should we support the manager club and players like you say or just Jose.


16.) 29 Aug 2018 16:04:56
Or a weak board changed it. Who's to say Allegri would have done any better than Jose. A plan is just a plan. Doesn't mean it would have been a good one 😁.


17.) 29 Aug 2018 20:14:06
Jred still misses Rooneyy. Lolllĺ.


18.) 29 Aug 2018 21:08:29
Singh
Really good post that pal .


19.) 30 Aug 2018 07:19:12
Nou, be a better plan than any of us here could come up with 😁

Well any of us except jred 😂.


 

 

30 Jul 2018 11:53:24
Hey Ed002,

The other day you mentioned clubs are hesitant of selling players before being confident enough of a day for the replacement.

Real Madrid was Rumours to be looking at a major rebuild (Ronaldo, Bale, Kroos, Modric, Kovacic, Isco, etc. all looking to leave/ on the market) yet not much happened so far.

Is there a huge transfer Domino being worked on right now that might or might not fall before August 9th then?

Thanks a lot.

Jonny8

{Ed002's Note - I was absolutely clear that was to be over two years.}


 

 

23 Jul 2018 19:06:28
I know this is highly controversial, but I’d like to simply pose the question and field your opinions.
Not sure either what the correct answer is:

Is it time to part with Jose?

He is his miserable self already in pre-season. He talks about pre season being the time to motivate the players and instead he moans about everything, especially the quality of his players, hardly motivating, is it?
He is not being backed by the board apparently.
Mostly due to the fact he is looking to sign 29 year olds at the height of their value.

But this is, at least partially, due to the fact he was told it‘s last chance saloon now.
Why would he build for the future instead of looking for the immediate need if your job is on the line.
Seems like he is backed into a corner here.

Just to name a few of the issues there seem to exist:
Martial: Jose wants him gone - the board doesn’t trust his judgement
Toby and Sandro: Jose wants them in - the board feels they are too old
Ribalta: Scouts leaves die to not feeling taken serious, apparently. No clue whether by the board or Jose
Shaw: Jose wants him gone - the board still hope he turns out a shrewd signing
Style: Jose is pragmatic - Clubs heritage is different - certain players would rather fit the heritage then the current style, either back the manager and embrace his style or change now while the playing staff somehow fits the old style?

I don’t see how this can work out positively in the end, but it is a stupid moment to change managers as well.

Thanks for your opinions.

Jonny8

1.) 23 Jul 2018 19:29:51
Spurs are wanting 80 mil for a 29 year old cb .
He is a good player but that's ridiculous.
Especially after we have just bought lindelof and bailly

Maybe Jose is the wrong man for the club, most United fans want to see good attacking footy a team that is built for the future where talents like pogba martial can flourish .

It's Jose 3rd season just look how that has ended in the past.


2.) 23 Jul 2018 19:36:33
Can’t stand the man. He’s well past his sell by date. All I want is some attacking football, not much to ask.


3.) 23 Jul 2018 19:40:28
Evening guys, I only joined the site a few months back but from reading all the posts it's obvious to me that we're a deeply divided bunch. Mourinho polarises opinion but I fear our problems run deeper than just a manager.

In this post Fergi vacuum the Club has lacked real courage and leadership at board level and demonstrated a clear lack of vision and naivety.

From reading all the posts on this site it appears to me that most fans share the same ideology and philosophy. These are the foundations which we're laid bare well over 60 years ago by the great Busby babes. The philosophy that transformed the Club from a Northern powerhouse to the envy of Europe. The courage and bravery of a man with daring ambition and vision to take the Club further than just the shores of this country. He laid the foundations for everything we are today.

What we all crave is a commitment to attractive, entertaining, attacking football filled with drama and excitement. An emphasis on developing our own players and giving youth a chance. We might not always succeed, there may be periods of frustration and failure but this philosophy should remain constant and consistent. Undiminished by time and circumstance.

This brings me back full circle to our current owners, board and manager! Who actually runs our Club? What vision do the owners have? What is their plan?

From the Glazers perspective I can't imagine that they're to concerned with the playing side of things but they aren't stupid enough to realise how this may impact on the Club. Woodward now appears to be the custodian, the man in charge, but what's his vision and philosophy?

Then we have Mourinho, a giant manager with an even bigger ego. He only wants to win and he doesn't care how. He doesn't care about entertainment or excitement. He's not concerned about age or giving chances. He doesn't care about how much it costs or the future of the Club only securing his own legacy before he inevitably moves onto his next challenge. Is this philosophy shared by our owners or Mr Woodward?

Well here's the rub. Should the Club ship out young, exciting, promising players, ones which they have invested heavily to bring to the Club in the first place so the manager can replace them with yet more expensive, experienced, players with little possibility of sell on value and no guarantee of success? My suspicion all along has been the Glazers are prepared to invest just enough to keep us in their panacea of the top 4. Winning would be nice but does it make sense to re invest millions chasing success with little guarantee whilst risking the finances of the Club and trimming profit margins? If this is the case then they have gravely underestimated Mourinho.

I think Mourinho may just be finding himself embroiled in the politics of a Club without a clear vision or recognised leader. In some respects he may find himself a victim of his own success and now some modicum of stability has been restored the purse strings predictably tightened. Do they really want to challenge City and return us to the pinnacle of European football?

Mourinho is not the type of manager to maintain the status quo putting the Club at risk of a power struggle between an ambitious manager and a regime seemingly more interested in profit margins, sponsorship and turnover rather than success on the pitch. If the books look good does it matter what happens on the pitch?

Mourinho will not settle for second best and whatever you think about him I think we can all take some comfort from that. Maybe his legacy might just be to show the Glazers for what they truly are? It's no coincidence to me that this window might represent the lowest investment in the team for a number of years just as we've established ourselves back into the top 4. I guess this will all unravel sooner rather than later and we'll have our answer.

Of course this could just be a load of bull**** supposition but thanks for those that took the time to read I appreciate it was a long one!


4.) 23 Jul 2018 19:47:06
short answer, Yes.


5.) 23 Jul 2018 20:13:48
Great post dlib.
I agree with lots of that.

Im all for improving players but imo the board have got to make up their mind either back the manager completely or if they believe in the players such as pogba shaw jones rojo mata valencia young fellaini and martial among others and want to keep them then sack the manager now. That way it will be less messy and there is less risk.
They backed some of these players and got rid of moyes they backed more of these players and got rid of lvg is it time to back these players and get rid of jose?
That's what they have to decide.
Option 3 is just do nothing and see what happens. That's the biggest risk of all imo.
It is joses job to get the best from the players to keep them happy and motivated. To give them confidence to show them he believes in them etc etc.
But it is the boards job to motivate jose to give him backing to show their belief in him to give him the tools he says needs to do his job.

As a result of the board failing to to all the above for the manager he is shiwing his obvious displeasure in his demeanour and that transe ds in his interviews and to some of the players. If the club can't keep tje manager relatively happy you won't have a happy team below him.


6.) 23 Jul 2018 20:15:25
Dlib, i read your post and it is excellent. I'm not a Mourinho fan. I think his demeanour and his actions have been arrogant in some instances. In other instances, his stubborness, is putting players United careers at risk to the detriment of our great club.
Once he picks a fight with a player, that's the end of the road for the player.
I'm particularly worried that the likes of Martial, Pogba, Bailly will be pushed out of the door. This will be an absolute disaster for the club.
But i also inderstand and agree on your reservations towards the Glazers and Woodward, and the obvious lack of leadership on the footballing side of things. Like you, i have mentioned the problem we have with the Glazers and their lack of interest to all things football. There seems to be an attitude that as long as the money is rolling in, then the status quo can be maintained. But their business model is flawed, as the fans the club are trying to attract in America, India, China, far east countries, have no affiliation to the club at the start. They are attracted to the style of football and to the on field success, and then they will swear their allegiance to the cause. If we continue playing dull football and under investing in the footballing side, then the new fans will opt to support Real, Barca, Liverpool, City instead. You only need to walk the streets of Beijing, Bangkok, Mumbai to see this is already happening. Fergie brought us success and coupled it with exciting football which brought us hundereds of thousands of new followers. Unfortunately, the opposite can easily materialize if we don't show ambition and excitement on the playing field.
The Glazers can ignore this at theor peril, but the world is a funny place these days, and like you, i can see trouble ahead, not only for Mourinho but for our money loving owners.
Great post and i enjoyed reading it.


7.) 23 Jul 2018 20:26:45
I'm a Liverpool fan but I enjoyed that read DLIB.

I'm hoping for utd to be competitive this season along with us and city to make it an exciting finish.


8.) 23 Jul 2018 20:28:59
DLIB fantastic post that mate.


9.) 24 Jul 2018 08:14:37
DLIB, great post, made a lot of sense.

AAA - I don't understand your point about the Club wanting to expand its fanbase to other countries. That's how they build one and each and every club is doing it. A lot of these Clubs run their football academies in countries like India, Middle-Eastern Countries and other South-East Asian countries as well. What do you think the purpose of that is? Is it really to teach the youth how to play the way these clubs play? or is to expand its market and reach newer audiences. My answer is the latter, solely because I work closely with a Club and now an association that has grassroots football development academies. They earn tonnes of money from these deals and while that money might not directly impact any transfers, that does add up to the revenue generation and in turn, leads to a more larger fanbase creation.

You can never force any person to support any club, he / she can support Madrid, Barcelona even Liverpool (although they have won nothing in the recent past) and City. But is your concern genuinely about the number of people not supporting United? and do you think this is because of the owners investing in the business side of the club and not the footballing side? I'd rather have fans and followers who love the club because of what the club is, rather than what is the club is winning (that's typical fanboy behaviour) .

The bigger question, perhaps, is that what are the owners doing? And what is Mou doing? Is it really that shambolic that we can't get our transfer in order? We want three players who are on our immediate shortlist - Bale, Alderwerield and Sandro. Do these players want to move? In Toby's case, does Levy really want to sell him to a rival? Even if Spurs don't compare to us, in his mind we are still his rivals? Maybe that's why the inflated price? Even if the Glazers or Woodward only care about the business side of things, I'm sure they won't be held ransom by Levy who always seems to demand over-the-top prices for his players? Coming to Bale, we are all divided on whether we want him or not, another question is, with the new manager coming in, and Ronaldo obviously going out, does he want to move now? Or does he want to stay one more year and see what he can do? Even if we give RM 200 Million pounds for Bale and he doesn't want to leave, we can't do much about it. Now that is not the fault of the owners or the manager. Sandro is a difficult one, I thought by now we would have had him, considering it was during the end of last season of after the end of the season that we were heavily linked with him? Have the owners got cold feet and now they don't want to spend the money? Or has Mou changed his mind? No one knows, maybe the Eds know and they can share what they know.

Of course, I'm not defending the owners and neither am I defending Mou, I'm just trying to be a little more optimistic about the new season, because that's what we want and that's what we should do. If Mou goes, then Mou goes. His 3rd season syndrome might hit us, and might not. We can't say much. All we can hope is that the damage can be limited and the guy who ends up replacing him is a well-thought of replacement. Not a stop-gap one.

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12 Sep 2018 13:19:54
I’ll try my luck on the research then.
Thanks for the reply.

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12 Sep 2018 12:54:24
Thank you Ed.

What is the major problem at the club?
Wrong people making footballing Decisions? If so who are making the decisions?
Thanks.

Jonny8

{Ed002's Note - We have been through this ad nauseum Jonny.}


 

 

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10 Aug 2018 10:10:10
There is still the possibility of improving without new signings.
Get players to gel, understand the system better, get automatisms going, develop talented players, change of player positions to better suit their skill set etc.

I know Jose is not know for any of these things, but the club has it in the DNA actually.

Let’s hope for the best and have a look at the results and progress before panicking.

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07 Jun 2018 09:17:39
I would guess it’s related to him needing to obtain a work permit while Dalot doesn’t.

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01 Jun 2018 11:51:33
No interest in Simeone from my side.
Would be even more “results over style” then Mourinho.
Would put us in a difficult spot with the season being over and transfer plans in full swing from all clubs.
Only positive would be it being a World Cup year, which is a big stumbling block in transfer dealings for the involved players anyway.

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12 Dec 2018 07:23:30
Let‘s be honest, we shouldn’t be in planning for the Champions League, but rather try to make sure we are part of it next year again.
Focus should definitely be the Premier League.

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05 Dec 2018 07:49:35
I feel we are at a point where we need to get rid of both the manager and a portion of the playing staff.
We shouldn’t stand for a manager with a philosophy so far remote from our core values of entertaining and promoting from within but we also can‘t tolerate such player power.

The big question for me is in which order to do that.
Do you get rid of the players first to show who is in charge or rid of the manager first to keep the players in line with the playing style the club wants to see?

Quite a pickle to be honest.

But doing neither is certainly not the solution.

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26 Sep 2018 21:58:41
I meant Zidane rumours resurface.
Thanks for the quick reply.
Was hoping that he was at least partly responsible for assembling the squad, apparently not.

Anything in the rumours he agreed a pay package with United? Supposedly to take over as from october at the earliest.

Thanks a lot. Have a great evening.

Jonny8

{Ed002's Note - I had no idea Jonny - nobody has mentioned it hear today. Who has agreed a pay package? You mean Zidane?}


 

 

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I was not saying anything about his performances.
Just wondered if he really is level headed enough to not feel he‘s done it after being given the number 10 for both the national team and the biggest club in the country.
Hope he makes them his own and proves worthy of them.

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28 Aug 2018 19:15:48
Thanks Ed.

So basically you mean he simply tries to best avoid their games and traps?
But there is no agenda from his side at all?

I’m not British, so might misunderstand that, but I’d guess it would be easier on his side to be Mr. Niceguy then to Mr. Grumpy.
But nevermind, I just hope they get their Act together and turn this into a better season then the previous two. That would mean we are moving in the right direction.

Thanks and have a nice evening.

Jonny8

{Ed002's Note - No, I mean what I said. He doesn't need to be anything with them - you seem to be trying to over analyse everything - what he said what I say. Have a nifty evening yourself.}