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19 Jun 2017 22:49:59
Papers reporting that Jose doesn't buy CR7's availability and believes he is just angling for more money from RM. Whether he believes that or not, it's a smart move from JM as it removes United as a leveraging party, without closing the door if he's wrong and CR7 does want to move.

Still think we should sign him if possible, but this way we limit how much we can be strung along as leverage for Mendes to hold RM over a. barrel.


1.) 20 Jun 2017 07:09:27
Good post mate, though not sure we should sign him if he becomes available; JM clearly has a plan for next season and knows what players he wants to fit the system. Signing Ronaldo would throw all that out of the window and require the team to be built around his needs - then in a few years when he's gone, there would be no structure, just a bug CR7 hole.

Hope Jose sticks to his plan and not gives in to Woodiz craving for a megastar: would be very happy with a DCM, attacker and forward.

2.) 20 Jun 2017 12:07:09
With Jose now called out about tax issues in Spain, if I was a player I would think long and hard about going to Spain. For you guys DDG may stay and Morata and Ronaldo may want to move ASAP. Looks like the TAX office are going after easy targets - this may back fire.

3.) 20 Jun 2017 13:13:24
Wouldn't surprise me if RM themseves were behind the Ronaldo rumours with the intention of complicating the Morata deal and ultimately getting a better price.

4.) 20 Jun 2017 13:23:48
If Ronaldo does leave to another European country and is convicted in his absence of tax fraud, what happens when he has to return to Spain to play a Champions League game, would he be arrested as he stepped off the plane.

5.) 20 Jun 2017 22:05:23
Naymar, messi, ronaldo, jose, all big names and earners, coincidence? Who next bale, Suarez, no Spanish looks like a witch hunt to me and nobody has broke the rules more than Madrid.

6.) 21 Jun 2017 00:52:15
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!



28 May 2016 00:27:49
Now Pogba is rumored to Chelsea. Simply put we need to pay whatever is necessary to ensure we get him, and even more so if Chelsea are making a move for him. Only ballon d'or contender I see moving anytime soon.


1.) 28 May 2016 08:24:36
Yeah but we've got Fosu Mensah it would hinder his progress sighing Pogba he wouldn't get a look in much like if we sign Zlatan over Rashford 😋.

2.) 28 May 2016 08:54:40
A midfield pairing of Pogba and Fosu Mensah, now that would be interesting.

3.) 28 May 2016 09:11:20
WRD if we sign a new cb then it will stunt Rojo's potential.

4.) 28 May 2016 09:13:58
Haha yes Ken, I think we should make Rojo captain next season, be the making of him.

5.) 28 May 2016 09:49:17
We need to be realistic. pogba will not come back without CL football. He may have done to work with Mourinho but I get the feeling he wants, to add either barcalona / real Madrid on psg to his cv.
Fosu mensa as right back in the ivanovic mould would not surprise me with Shaw bombing on down the left.

6.) 28 May 2016 09:53:24
I really don't see how signing Zlatan would hinder Rashford, he could play anywhere across a front 3 and I'm sure he'll get his fair share of games it would be difficult to ignore him. We are short a striker and considering his age I think it's an ideal situation for everyone including Rashford as opposed to bringing in a top class striker with years on his side which would hinder Rashford.

As for Pogba I really can't see that happening I would love to see Fosu Mensah getting a chance. Interestingly (or not) McNair got man of the match playing in midfield last night, didn't see it personally must've done alright though.

7.) 28 May 2016 13:57:18
I agree jamal I was just joshing.



26 May 2016 00:31:15
Latest rumor has us spending 60mil on Willian. So someone in the media thinks that not only do we need the fifth or sixth best player from a midtable team, but we should spend a British record amount on him. Talk about silly season. Personally there isn't a single Chelsea player i would want us to sign but this one is really absurd.


1.) 26 May 2016 01:06:39
Totally disagree. He has been outstanding for Chelsea this season and is one of the few players there not to have had a hissy fit earlier in the season. He has played at a high level making and scoring goals all season.

2.) 26 May 2016 01:35:06
Apart from Zouma, Courtois, Hazard, Courtois (if DDG leaves) and Willian would all improve our team.

Matic of last season under Jose would also be most welcome.

3.) 26 May 2016 02:50:45
I agree with herefordred. Willian is an outstanding talent and had Chelsea had a better season he would've been a contender for Player of the Year. imo anyway! However, if Maureen also see's Rooney's future as a flexible CAM then he wouldn't be required. I know Rooney has his haters and he is largely responsible for that himself but early signs are that he is more than capable of re-inventing himself in this position! Slightly different style to Scholes in as such he hasn't yet developed the ability to control an entire game but he is a remarkably better tackler. and at this exact moment in time, along with DDG is one of only 2 genuinely world class players at our beloved club! #believe.

4.) 26 May 2016 05:59:02
As a Chelsea fan and watched every game for God knows how many years if you were to offer £60m I'd piggy back him there. Most frustrating players I've seen yes he stood out this season only due to the fact others have been garbage. Headless chicken with the ball but can take a free kick. Good luck under Jose boy's always be a cfc legend just enjoy the ride he will bring especially with all these top class managers here.

5.) 26 May 2016 08:33:05
I genuinely think willian would be perfect fit for us, but for 60 million . I honestly couldn't see Chelsea letting him go he was one of the only good points of there season.

6.) 26 May 2016 09:04:05
Willian works hard and has lots of energy that's about it, otherwise his useless. There's much better right wingers out there. Chelsea's top players were terrible this season which made Willian look good.

7.) 26 May 2016 09:15:27
Willian? God I hope not!

8.) 26 May 2016 09:18:27
Just to clear things up I meant that I think Willian is a very good player but I do not think he is worth £60m. I also would love us to unearth so real diamonds the way the Portuguese teams seem to be able to do every season for little money. Chucking shed loads of cash at anything half decent that moves should not be part of our ethos.

9.) 26 May 2016 12:11:08
KG - I think you need to have another look at Willian.
He's a superb player who doesn't really have any weaknesses to his game. He's quick, tracks back, skilful, can assist goals and can also score goals.
I agree I wouldn't pay 60 million for him but i would snap Chelsea's hand off at 30 million.



12 Feb 2014 02:04:45
Reports that Vidal has signed a new 200k a wk deal with juve. Eds, if true this would mean 0% chance of a move this summer? Shame.


1.) Not necessarily as lots of players havesigned new contracts, only to be sold 6 months later. Just means Juve can get more money for him now. If we offerend 40+ m and nani they would probbly consider it. Only time will tell KG as he would be a great signingfor us.

2.) Contracts don't mean a lot. Only thing they are good for is how much money people are going to earn.

3.) Hard to believe and 200k sounds outlandish especially at Juve.

4.) Contracts don't mean a lot, they are what keeps a players value at its maximum, it makes a big difference



17 Aug 2013 17:05:02
How can managers be so blind to what every fan can clearly see. By playing with Carrick/Cleverly/Valencia/Giggs you are basically saying that unless RVP scores multiple goals, were in trouble. I couldn't stand it when SAF would throw away points with these conservative scared lineups that fail to excite. Could be a rough one if RVP doesn't finish the few chances he gets. What happened to attacking United? Really hoped a new, younger manager would reinstill some of that to the squad.


1.) I hear ya KG and agree, I can't understand todays midfield why start Giggs and Cleverly while Kagawa, a fit Anderson and Zaha are on the bench not ot mention Rooney.Its not like we should save them for the next game as they need the game time and need to get battle hardened, its going to give our opponents the confidence to go all out and go for the win.

2.) Think Moyes is being too conservative here, he obviously doesn't want to lose his first prem game in charge, but I would have loved to have seen Kagawa instead of Giggs and a more Ballsier team set up.

3.) The have hasn't started yet, give them a chance. Welleck, Valencia a d RVP will get the goals. Rooney to come on in 2nd half and score.

4.) I can see SAF's influence in the club

5.) The negativity that ruins this page continues. It doesn't matter how many trophies we win, there will always be a select few that just can't help but have a moan. Lighten up, the Prem is back, and the Champions are back!

6.) Absolutely spot on giggs should not be starting ever I love him to death but at 36 no chance kagawa sitting Rooney zaha. I'm shocked at our midfield if it stays like this well be dominated game in game out. With no chance of a title or top four even

7.) We have 5 midfielders but yet we seem empty in that area!? I don't get the style we play. I don't feel cleverly is a good fit for utd seems uneasy when he plays no real confidence in his ability

8.) 2-0 half time enough said for me


9.) I should think so after 26 years, dues that post win obvious statement of the year award


10.) 17 Aug 2013 18:22:33
Methinks your panicking too much, only player I would have changed is giggs. Swansea were always going to come out flying and we had to soak it up and hit them on the counter. Regards shinji, ando and wild we need option in the bench to change things. They more of a plan b. We could be arsenal. MrE

11.) Sorry, absolute nonsense. Swansea are a fantastic team who move the ball on the floor. This is the correct lineup for this game. Their genuine threat will be limited. For me, this is a very astute 11 from Moyes.


12.) Giggs is poor, I can see someone getting sent off 2day.

13.) I think the fact it's 2-0 speaks volumes.
Why are people judging 10 minutes before kick off! Judge at the end or during. The performance for me has be steady and decent. Get behind our club and our manager. Giggle might be 36 but he's a dam sight better than so many players in the PL .
Come on united.

PS - Rooney 3rd goal


14.) Giggs is by far our best player on the pich and it is a shame that the oldest player runs more and try harder than anyone else. Cleverly is just not working for us. Since his injury from the last year he is not the same, attitude is ok but he is very ineffective. That is why we don't have midfield and all that we can do is throw the ball to RVP and hope he will produce some magic. He and Ando will have to go. I don't want to be negative but this is fact and I want to see our team play some football. In CL we don't have any chance with this midfield, we need to start solving this problem


15.) Giggs is not 36, he's 40 in November!

16.) Well for such a rubbish line up the reslt was alright!

17.) 4-1 in the end seems like tactics and selection spot on


18.) 4-1 and only 2 from RVP

You are talking BOTOX

Danny is onfire! Rooney still lacks fitness

19.) My sincere apologies to Paulo for my mistake of a 36 instead of 39. But we'll picked up. On a slightly less pathetic note we won 4-1 which is absolutely brilliant. Great start.

20.) Yeah we need strengthened and we got some muppets playing for us but the end of the day we are in a results business and they delivered so let's cut them some slack this week. Gj guys

21.) Yeh, terrible team selection.
What was the score mate?

22.) We won 4-1 and that's great, but Cleverley was awful and Giggs passing was unusually lax. Will always be 100% behind United, but doesn't get away from the fact we need 2 midfielders. I'd like Fellaini for steel and Cesc for silk, but would settle for Fellaini and Cabaye or Modric.

23.) Although we have won 4-1, I feel our passing and movement was very poor, we gave the ball away far too much and could have been punished for it a few times!and would have been punished by a better side!on the other hand vidic and rio were solid, welbeck is getting better and RvP is just world class.we just need a few more of those world class players in the middle of the park!

24.) Relax! Someone will be signed. But climb down off the ledge. Swansea is a quality side, certainly not a top 4 contender but a solid top 10 side. United totally blew their doors off after the first 25 minutes or so.

25.) 4-1 away win to a decent Swansea side is simply not good enough. Moyes out!

26.) RVP was pure class today . Not just his movement in the box and his finishing but his all round game, back to goal and shifting the ball around was brilliant! I totally agree that giggs should not have started in behind him though. Giggs is still class and still should be part of the squad but if DM is going to be starting with cleverley and carrick in the middle then we need Rooney/kagawa/a NEW SIGNING! Playing in front of them. Personally I think that cleverley should be left as a back up squad player it used in the cups. As a previous poster said he hasn't looked as good since his injury, constantly playing the ball backwards and not getting his head up quick enough. After saying all that though I would have taken 4-1 before kick off for sure . Swansea are a quality, good to watch team with a good manager so we should be happy with that result. let's hope that we get a bit sharper and come out of the blocks quicker against Chelsea. Good result today lads!

Ned the Red

27.) Yeah right!

28.) Humble pie comes to mind :)

29.) A blind man can see that Rooney would be fantastic in midfield behind the front 2, he has all the qualities of a great midfielder and would still chip in with plenty of goals, he wants a regular start so I think this would be a good solution just my opinion

30.) I was right. We created a few chances which fortunately were finished by rvp. But there was still little threat from the midfield. Thrilled with the result but I stand by my prediction. -KG

31.) You should give Moyes a call, I'm sure he would appreciate your sage advice. Your expertise is obviously what we've been missing

32.) 4-1 can not argue with the result.RVP the difference god help us if he gets injured.Well Europes elite must be looking at our midfield and quivering in their boots.The pace of Giggs awesome.The sublime passing skills and vision of Cleverley.
Got my hotel booked for the European final already.

33.) Can't argue with your view of our midfield.Giggs is over the hill and well down the other side.Cleverley and Carrick are no world beaters, neither would get a game in Chelsea's midfield.Valencia is not the player he used to be, very negative in his wing play.No wonder Rooney fancies a move to a club where he would get a good supply of the ball.All of this is painfully obvious and must be addressed.We need players who can keep the ball and win it back when we lose it.The possession against Swansea shows what we lack the result shows what we do well.




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13 Mar 2018 23:27:23
If there was ever an example of a coach that plays not to lose, it's JM. HIs tactical decisions come out wrong as often as they come out correct, he allows the opposition to dictate pace, tempo, and formations, he insists on sticking with mediocre at best players (Young again responsible for a goal, Lingard again producing nothing), and he's so self-assured and stubborn that I can't even fall back on the idea that he'll learn from this experience. Martial and Rashford each have played great when given extended runs in the team, but he's sabotaged them by forcing Lingard and the misfiring Sanchez ahead of them in the team. We need a new RB, need Shaw to get consistent time at LB, and we need another CM to play with Matic and Pogba. But most of all, we need JM to have a little humility and a whole lot more attacking intent, or this is going to be about the ceiling for United under Mourinho.




01 Feb 2018 04:40:38
There's plenty of blame to go around, but immediate reaction is that the vast majority of goals we've come ceded in recent months have come from Ashley young being incompetent as a defender. I don't blame him, he's a mid table winger nit a top four fullback, but both goals were on him today. Yes even jones og. He doesn't even think of tracking his man eriksen on the openerand then follows not his man inside on the second goal giving all the space for the cross. WHY did we just have a string of clean sheets sheets? HE was out injured. I'm not saying the reason set of things the defemse has been great but the actual goals that have been scored since mid December have been on his head an sure amount of the time. He doesn't close down quickly, his positioning is poor and he loses focus and doesn't do his job marking.


1.) 01 Feb 2018 06:48:30
Harsh. I don’t know why You’re ing s being picked instead of Shaw but to blame him for Phil Jones’s cack handled attempt to clear witht the wrong foot is a bit much. I think there was a lot more wrong last night than Ashley Young.



20 Oct 2017 16:56:18
Wondering people's opinions of the Ozil talk. I've never rated him especially highly, so it shoiuld be no suprise that I wouldn't want him. I just don't think he's better than the options we already have and he's certainyl not better than the options we can buy from elsewhere. He's a defensive liability and doesn't have that pace anymore. For me, let him go elsewhere and keep our focus on better and younger targets. what's everyone else think?


1.) 20 Oct 2017 17:58:12
He is a player Jose likes a player that fits in very well to his system .
I wouldn't be surprised at all if we signed him.

2.) 20 Oct 2017 18:01:13
You haven't read down the posts have you.

3.) 20 Oct 2017 18:07:18
He seems to split opinions KG. Personally I think when on form he’s one of the best 10s in the world. A few seasons back he got 20 odd assists and was almost unplayable. I understand the objections to signing him due to his weak mentality and his soft underbelly which makes it all the more surprising we are linked with him. But he was unplayable at times under Jose at real and if he can get him back to that level it will take our team to the next level. I am of the thinking that Ozil has become stale and disinterested at arsenal and needs a new challenge and a kick up the backside to get that fire in his belly back.

I personally would be very happy to see him here and think he would flourish with the formidable platform of matic, pogba and our defence behind him. Couple that with the runs by lukaku, miki, rashford and martial then I think he would be an astute signing. People have mentioned that miki and mata are better are 10 but for me miki goes missing too much. I love the guy and I think he is supremely talented but when he is a passenger then it’s time to rest him and take him out the team. Having Ozil yo rotate will give us the sort of depth city have.

On to mata, again I hope he stays but for me he’s an inverted right winger and he does quite well out there. If Jose wanted him as a ten he would have played him there and he hasn’t. Ozil will know he will have to graft under Jose and he will graft because he knows if he does not then he will warm the bench. Wenger has lost that fear factor and Ozil knows Wenger won’t pull him up on the grafting side of the game. I do think Ozil does get scapegoated in the media due to his lackadaisical berbatov-esque style of play. I think I read somewhere he ran more than Sanchez last year (don’t quote me) .

So to sum up yes I really hope we do sign him if there is anyone to get Ozil to the level we saw a few years ago then it is Jose. A midfield three of matic pogba Ozil with miki able to come in is a mouth watering prospect. And I am sure Ozil will be chomping at the bit to prove the media wrong and also at the possibility of playing in front of a solid midfield and defence.

4.) 20 Oct 2017 18:32:28
He mostly played from the right say madrid can also play from the left so very effective in all 3 positions behind the striker. For the sort of fee being mentioned i think its a no brainer.
We have good numbers and quality in those areas in miki mata jessie rash martial really fighting it out for 3 positions. So if he comes in one of those will have to go and i would suggest that martial or miki are the ones would be most likely to leave next summer.

5.) 20 Oct 2017 19:11:39
Ken your forgetting ibra .
I think he will go next summer .
Talk is lingard could be on the move as well.

6.) 20 Oct 2017 19:37:59
I left lukaku and ibra out as they are a different position i see them purely as strikers.
Yeah jessie is going to have to make a choice. He can play for his club and be around the fringes of the england squad start 20 games probably make 35 appearances a season and be atonund top players earn top money and play against big players in the best stadiums and be a sqiad player like neville o shea or the likes or play 35 games for a mid tier prem club prob earn the same money.
I don't think he will be forced out it will be his choice.

7.) 20 Oct 2017 20:29:15
I don't think anyone will be forced out.

8.) 20 Oct 2017 21:03:55
I like Oezil and due to our lack of midfielders I certainly see him coming to United. We may cut a deal with Arsenal too as they will want some money for him. I think he'd be a good addition and he can play in a few positions. Have to say Mikhitaryan's position would be under threat. His through-balls would be great for Lukaku and Ibra.

Lingard I can see moving on eventually. But he's a useful squad player. I think he's not clinical enough to make him a firm choice each week.

9.) 21 Oct 2017 06:44:22
Ozil has recently bought a house in Ldn so a bit puzzled why would he really want to leave Arsenal. That said he can probably get a higher salary with use due to his cheap transfer fees. No qualms paying him higher if he saves us transfer fees. Whilst I do have a little thrown about him joining us based on his lack of defense capability however he is definitely a good addition in our midfield or even wings. He adds a different dimension to our attack.

We do not then need to sell others if we are planning for a team to take on all fronts in terms of silverwares this and/ or next season. I have every confidence that Jose will know how to motivate Ozil jujutsu like he does Martial, Mikki and currently Lindelof. Unfortunately Shaw is another matter as it need individual passion and hunger which he has not.

So end of story is yes Ozil is good addition IF THE PRICE IS RIGHT 😂😂.



05 Oct 2017 01:02:56
Not sure how to phrase this but I'll try and get across what I mean. What is everyone's perceived set of PL teams. What I mean, is that when I saw Newcastle in a lower division, it felt weird. SMall clubs feel like fortunate visitors to the PL. If relegation was done away with any they chose a permanent 20 teams, or if you were building your ideal PL, who are the twenty teams you think of as PL teams (first division historically) . This will be heavily skewed by age I'd imagine, as being 33 I don't think Nottingham Forest would enter my list, but it might enter the list of someone in their 60s or 70s. Little fun exercise for international break.

Mine are:
1) Manchester United
2) Manchester City
3) Arsenal
4) Chelsea
5) Tottenham
6) Liverpool
7) Everton
8) Newcastle
9) West Ham
10) Stoke
11) Southampton
12) Sunderland
13) Aston Villa
14) Bolton Wanderers
15) Fulham
16) Birmingham City
17) MIddlesborough
18) Blackburn Rovers
19) Portsmouth
20) Wigan

Clearly this is based on subjective opinion, age, etc, and it was tough leaving out clubs that have had great runs in the top division, but this is my list. Again, its a weird question that can be interpreted different ways, but curious to hear what people think. (or if I left out an obvious one) . Thanks!


1.) 05 Oct 2017 07:32:53
Wow. Not sure you meant it but this is incredibly patronising.

Firstly, Forest won the European Cup in '79 and '80 so I think people in their 40s will remember that.

"Small clubs feel like fortunate". No they're not, they earned the right to be there like the rest of us. And how are you defining small? History, trophies, attendances, potential? If you use these criteria then I don't see how Blackburn, Wigan and Portsmouth get in your League.

Using my criteria there are a number of "big" clubs who are not in the EPL - Villa, Birmingham, Leeds, Derby to name but a few. However, big or not, they have to earn the right to get into the EPL.

2.) 05 Oct 2017 07:58:56
Not sure I agree with Birmingham city, Portsmouth or Wigan. Surprised you didn't have Leeds in there, Nottingham Forest as well as you mentioned, and you appear to have completely forgotten West Ham.

I'd probably sub those three into your list for Birmingham city, Portsmouth and Wigan.

3.) 05 Oct 2017 08:14:51
You have forest in there but not Leicester? League champions two years ago!

4.) 05 Oct 2017 08:28:04

I've discussed this with mates. I understand where you're coming from. it's something to occupy our minds in the international break too.

With a few exceptions I think it's interesting how closely it correlates with stadium capacities. I think I would take Brighton, Coventry, Cardiff out, and then two of Sheffield clubs and Wolves. Personally, I'd probably get rid of Sheff United.

That would leave me with something like this:

1 Wembley Stadium 90,000[1] Spurs N/ A
2 Old Trafford 76,100 Manchester United Premier League
3 London Stadium 66,000 West Ham United Premier League
4 Emirates Stadium 60,432 Arsenal Premier League
5 Etihad Stadium 55,097 Manchester City Premier League
6 Anfield 54,742 Liverpool Premier League
7 St James' Park 52,405 Newcastle United Premier League
8 Stadium of Light 49,000[2] Sunderland Championship
9 Villa Park 42,785 Aston Villa Championship
10 Stamford Bridge 41,623 Chelsea Premier League
11 Goodison Park 40,563 Everton Premier League
12 Hillsborough Stadium 34000 Sheffield Wednesday Championship
13 Elland Road 37,900 Leeds United Championship
14 Riverside Stadium 35,100 Middlesbrough Championship
15 Pride Park Stadium 33,597[3] Derby County Championship
16 St Mary's Stadium 32,689[5] Southampton Premier League
17 King Power Stadium 32,500[6] Leicester City Premier League
18 Molineux 31,700 Wolverhampton Wanderers Championship
19 Ewood Park 31,367 Blackburn Rovers Championship
20 City Ground 30,576 Nottingham Forest Championship

Obviously this is not a ranking of size of club, just of stadium.


5.) 05 Oct 2017 09:42:37
I would go off number of supporters globally:

1. Man Utd 561,987,756
2. Liverpool 301,984,881
3. Chelsea 267,678,011
4. Arsenal 255,175,998
5. Man City 231,776,439
6. Spurs 187,406,566
7. Everton 136,441,391
8. Newcastle 112,804,739
9. Leeds 90,886,839
10. Aston Villa 87,339,920
11. West Ham 81,663,108
12. Southampton 79,664,189
13. Leicester 67,000,728
14. Watford 54,391,046
15. Notts Forest 45,885,960
16. Sheff Weds 37,443,163
17. Middlesborough, 22,228,012
18. Sunderland 19,888,601
19. Wolves 16,970,618
20. Bolton 16,569,841

League positions should be according to the number of supporters. This removes the need for playing any football and of course removes all those pesky footballers from the wage bill.

6.) 05 Oct 2017 10:53:40
Manc I think in view of the current discussion about the TV rights revenue affecting the money distribution, I would go with your model. It is obvious that would command the attraction from local and international viewership and ultimately money.
This could even be the start of a discussion for Super League for Europe. But that’s another matter.
However this could be dangerous and potentially kill the talents of and interests in football in UK. The weaker and smaller clubs will suffer from financial backing and football may eventually die in those cities. That’s not healthy. But if it were to remain as current I would support the top 6 current taking 40% of the TV rights revenue. Afterall they are the ones that really bring the attraction.
I think the current is fine and if necessary then I will agree with the Super League evolution.

{Ed002's Note - There are already plans for a European League and clubs have discussed it regularly and in great detail over the years. It of course doesn't consider anything like this.}

7.) 05 Oct 2017 11:05:30
How about league titles won/ runners up places?

1 Man Utd 20/ 15
2 Liverpool 18/ 13
3 Arsenal 13/ 9
4 Everton 9/ 7
5 Aston Villa 7/ 10
6 Sunderland 6/ 5
7 Chelsea 6/ 4
8 Man City 4/ 5
9 Newcastle 4/ 2
10 Sheff Wed 4/ 1
=11 Leeds 3/ 5
=11 Wolves 3/ 5
13 Huddersfield 3/ 3
14 Blackburn 3/ 1
15 Preston North End 2/ 6
16 Tottenham Hotspurs 2/ 5
17 Derby County 2/ 3
18 Burnley 2/ 2
19 Portsmouth 2/ 0
plus one of Ipswich, Notts Forest, Sheff Utd, West Brom (all 1/ 2).

8.) 05 Oct 2017 11:03:18
Middlesbrough, charlton, nottingham forest and leeds are the few clubs with immense history.

9.) 05 Oct 2017 11:29:56
It's probably very age dependant on what people class as a big club that can fill stadiums and create interest, teams like Forrest, Leeds and Sheffield we'd would be to me but to someone younger they may see them as mid table 2nd tier teams . I'd probably think teams like that and add Newcastle Everton and villa and if a rich russian or an Arab sheikh poured money in by the hundreds of millions and they would replicate city or Chelsea easily in terms of fan base .
I think it's hard to deny football fans around the world like to hook onto teams that win things and yet some of the teams on that list have won little or nothing yet remain pretty well followed.

10.) 05 Oct 2017 12:16:14
Or how about ranking teams in order of league titles won and ascribing that a value, then ranking them in terms of stadium capacity (we're assuming here that most teams - barring city - would sell out their ground in the top division) and ascribing that a value of equal weight. Finally, add the two together and you get:

1 Man Utd
2 Arsenal
3 Liverpool
4 Man City
=5 Sunderland
=5 Aston Villa
7 Everton
=8 Newcastle
=8 Chelsea
10 Spurs
11 Sheff Wed
12 Leeds
13 Derby
14 Wolves
15 Blackburn
16 West Ham
17 Sheff Utd
18 Leicester
19 Carfiff
20 Southampton
21 Notts Forest
22 Ipswich
23 Middlesbrough
24 Huddersfield
25 WBA
=26 Preston
=26 Charlton
=28 Coventry
=28 Bristol City
30 Burnley

I did the top 30 to show who narrowly misses out. Actually, what I did was slightly more complicated than what I described above but that's the gist. Anyway, no model's perfect for something like this, obviously.

PS. Yes, it's a slow workday.

11.) 05 Oct 2017 12:48:15
It always amazes how Newcastle are considered a big club. Based on attendance. In a one club city.

12.) 05 Oct 2017 12:50:29
Jeff I think just you and Brian Cox can follow that list.

13.) 05 Oct 2017 13:10:23
Interesting post KG,
My own subjectively biased list will be as follows:
Quite similar to yours.
1) Manchester United
2) Liverpool
3) Arsenal
4) Chelsea
5) Tottenham
6) Man City
7) Everton
8) Newcastle
9) West Ham
10) Stoke
11) Southampton
12) Sunderland
13) Aston Villa
14) Bolton Wanderers
15) Leeds
16) Birmingham City
17) MIddlesborough
18) Blackburn Rovers
19) Fulham
20) Leicester

Since you said PL I wouldn't bother about omitting Forest.

14.) 05 Oct 2017 13:12:09
Depends on your criteria Mort trophies won recently then they aren't but their 20th most valuable team on earth, they have won 4 titles 6 cups and a European trophy, there ground is one of the largest and fan base huge if we discount some of their titles as to long ago do u discount some of utds aswell .
I'd class them as a big club but not a successful club but I see yr point if trophies defines what is a big club then they aren't .

15.) 05 Oct 2017 14:59:25
They're classed as big based on filling a 50k stadium. But there next nearest club is Sunderland so its fairly easy to attract fans. What grates is just how they and others think that their big. Clubs like Leeds, Forest and Villa are bigger clubs.

16.) 05 Oct 2017 15:25:03
Well it's a one club city Mort but just 250000 live there, there are nearly 9 million in London and 2 and a half million in Manchester area .
If we class modern football as the start of the prem league which suits us, Newcastle have the 8 th most points way ahead of city . They have finished 2nd twice which is as high and often more or less as spurs and Liverpool and higher than Everton have managed, they have been in the champions league a similar amount as spurs, been in two cup finals and broke the world transfer record, consistently had high crowds and have the 20th highest value in the world, to me it does make them a big club just not a successful one.

17.) 05 Oct 2017 14:18:19
Noted with thanks Ed002 🙏.

18.) 05 Oct 2017 22:02:32
How abput ranking them in alphabetical order?

19.) 05 Oct 2017 23:18:40
City has had a very high attendance in the league for many years now.

20.) 05 Oct 2017 23:42:40
Man city's attendance at home has been poor last few years.

21.) 06 Oct 2017 01:10:00
Last season Man City had average attendance of over 54000, their stadium capacity is 55100, that is over 98% attendance. But yeah i guess that's really really bad.

{Ed001's Note - that's is how many tickets they sold, not the actual attendance, which is much lower. Many season ticket holders only go if and when, the same problem as many clubs to be fair, but are counted as attending.}

22.) 06 Oct 2017 07:12:39
Apologies yes that's what i meant.

The amount of seats actually filled.

23.) 06 Oct 2017 08:24:59
yeah i know that, but like you say that is nothin special for City. I know they have some trouble with selling out early cup games and had a really bad one against some German team (munchengladbach? ) were they only sold a little over 30k tickets, but it sounds like people actually think there are 20000 empty seats every match. There are other teams in England with more empty seats than City. It was not my intention to argue and be a douche, i just found the "most teams -barring city- would sell out there stadium" abit funny when they avg tickets sold are 98% +, but it was stoupid of me calling it attendance.

24.) 06 Oct 2017 12:23:38
Come on Stoupid, play the game. Next you'll be saying they don't live in a council house and their supporters don't all come from Stockport.

25.) 06 Oct 2017 23:07:36
Stoupid. The City game you were referring to where 20,000 seats were empty was against some unknown German minnows by the name of Bayern Munich. Emptihad is empty.

26.) 08 Oct 2017 07:15:06
Really wasn't trying to be patronizing, or get mocking results. I thought it was a legitimate, albeit vague, question. I learned a lot, for instance Sheff Wednesday had a lot of support, and i discounted Leicester despite their title because of their short time within my lifetime, but others were adamant they belonged.

Leeds was the one I struggled with. I was just coming up when they were dropping down, so besides a historical rivalry with United, Leeds have never figured much in my first division thinking.

Like the debate, keep it up.



06 Sep 2017 21:33:22
I think Jose has made a very interesting, and valid, point about our transfer window. While Lukaku and Matic didn't seem like bargains at the moment we bought them, we do seem to have bought just before the rush. With terribly mediocre players like Ox (40mil), Siggurdsson (45mil ish) and others going for such prices, clearly the Neymar transfer has pushed the market into new territory in terms of prices. Maybe it corrects itself in future windows, but in this one, JM is completely right in saying that it would have cost closer to 200 mil combined for Lukaku and Matic if they had waited til the second half of the window. He may just be taking credit for brilliance when he actually just got lucky, but if JM did foresee how Neymar's transfer would push the market into overdrive, its a brilliant move getting our deals done early.


1.) 06 Sep 2017 23:48:14
For all sorts of reasons it makes sense to get deals done as early as possible. For me both Lukaku and Matic were signed into the second half of the window, and could have certainly been done sooner, both missed the start of the pre season tour.
Neymar's transfer happend quite late into the window, things certainly got silly price wise after that, how much of that was because of the fee paid for Neymar and how much was just because teams didn't want to lose key players so late in the window when replacements would have been hard to find and would have cost as least as much as the players they sold this making selling the player pointless is up for debate.

I think our transfer window was a job well done, with a little luck in some areas and a lack of it in others. We won't truly know how successful it was until the end of the season.

2.) 07 Sep 2017 00:40:43
Mourinho's record over the years for transfers is too good to put it down to just luck. Personally I think Matic will turn out to be one of the best buys of the season. I can't believe Chelsea let him go - maybe they know something I don't but he is going to allow Pogba in particular much more freedom. And with Herrera on your bench, you are looking very strong in that area now.
Yes you failed to strengthen in your wide areas (I anticipate teams trying to get at you down your left) but your side is a work in progress and if I was a Manu fan, I would be quietly confident about the year ahead. Certainly the Manchester derbies are going to be great to watch with such difference styles in action. i'm still not convinced about Lukaku whose work rate hasn't impressed me in the past but if anyone can get him to not chuck a sook when the going gets tough then its Mourinho.

3.) 07 Sep 2017 06:40:59
Over on the Chelsea pages they generally seem to say Matic has been poor or average for 2 years. He is also late 20s and surplus to requirements so £40M could be seen as a heavy fee. AOC may be less f a player. It he is a lot younger and his team wanted to keep him. Lukaku obviously now looks a steal, as does Pogba. Liverpool ndelf is mteresting as we needed to strengthen CB but he isn't getting a look in, I think we exp Ted him to be first choice. Fortunately Jones is currently stepping up.

There is no rhyme or reason to fees, Walker went for getting on for £50M whilst Gibbs left for £7M, that's some difference. Keane had it right, the fees being paid for "average" players are just ridiculous.

I also think this can't continue, the money sloshing around and particularly being taken out of the game in agent fees is obscene.

4.) 07 Sep 2017 07:34:05
That's called Chelsea fans being bitter Tony I think. If a multi title winner is no good and Bakayoko who has barely kicked a ball in the Prem is suddenly an upgrade on said proven Prem winner then they call that clutching I think.

5.) 07 Sep 2017 08:31:21
Many Chelsea fans had been saying that about Matic for quite a while before the sale to you. You shouldn't make stuff up, Welsh Devil.
He hasn't been poor but he also hasn't been close to a world beater in quite some time.

6.) 07 Sep 2017 10:10:11
i think Chelsea and United fans can agree that, regardless of how Matic has played, he's exactly what united needed.

7.) 07 Sep 2017 10:22:21
That I agree with, Penfold. However, with your money you would've bought a quality mid anyway, so at least we got some money out of it.

8.) 07 Sep 2017 10:40:47
I've be not made it up Jackson it's an opinion based on what I've read, Maybe some have said it for a while but it appears sour grapes to me, I'd be unhappy if I was a Chelsea fan at that sale but all about opinions isn't it.
How are you Jackson anyway, tough test this weekend at Leicester, Hazard back tho is he?

9.) 07 Sep 2017 13:18:41
I'm fine, mate, thanks. Life is busy right now buy that's how it should be! :) we should beat Leicester, but it could be tough if we catch them on a good day.
I think Eden will Stay on the bench as long as possible. But we may end up needing him.




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10 Jan 2018 04:00:18
I’m still convinced Ed002 is the head of the CIA, NSA, or MI6. Only explanation. Even Jorge mendes and pini zahavi check this site for insider info. :)


{Ed001's Note - I met Jorge Mendes once out here, the only thing he said to me was 'who is Ed002?'}



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10 Jan 2018 03:57:32
That post reminded me of something I was thinking about recently. The most skilled player we’ve ever had is Nani. Hear me out. I’m not saying he’s the best, obviously, bc he had feet of magic and a head of rocks but in terms of technical skill, flair and simple unplayability when having one of his rare top performances, not even Ronaldo was on his level. There’s a reason his top ten goals is astounding while he was always the most frustrating player in the squad. I’d love to hear feedback, but I think it’s a fair statement. If the poor guy could hit a decent cross into the box or find the right pass at the right moment he could have been incredible. But it always just seemed like his feet were Champions League and his head was nonleague. Or worse.




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19 Dec 2017 02:59:31
I think it would be fair to compare us vs city if you extrapolated our matches with pogba to a full healthy/ non suspended season. He’s shown how much our team is centered on his unique skill set with how much more we win and how many more goals a game we score when he’s playing. Feel free to do the math but I’m pretty sure we’d be right behind city, and definitely would have had a better chance in the derby. What gives me hope despite frustrations is that if we can keep pogba on the field we are much closer to city if not equal in terms of quality and results. It’s been during pogba-less stretches that we’ve fallen behind.




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05 Sep 2017 21:34:43
I usually agree with Ed002, but was Ibra really a dumb decision? Cost no transfer fee, will show up at a time in the season when the squad needs reinforcements but he won't be cup-tied like every other great player. I agree that starting next summer I'd rather let Zlatan leave if it means making space for a player like Griezmann, but to call it a stupid move, bc it might have stopped us from signing a cup-tied player in January? Simply don't agree.


{Ed002's Note - Stifling other players, stopping MU buying another stiker and costing enormous amounts of money. It was a dumb decision.}



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29 Aug 2017 21:47:45
If an absolutely world class player like Bale or Sanchez become available, great. But I don't want us to buy another attacking player just because. Perisic, Mahrez, no thanks. I think we're fine for this season, and have the option for Griezmann in january or next summer. If an opportunity comes up, take it, but I don't want us buying just for the sake of it, especially if the player doesn't improve our starting XI. For instance, I don't know if either Perisic or Mahrez starts over Mickey, Mata, Rashford or Martial. I doubt it, and therefore, we don't really need them, especially at those prices.





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13 Mar 2018 23:29:33
Congrats on the Europa League. Might be your only chance at a trophy this season, or for many seasons to come. wait, that might be confusing for an Arsenal supporter. this might help.

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23 Jan 2018 04:26:30
I hope he extends because I honestly don’t see any superstar or potential superstar managers to replace him at the moment. As frustrating as he can be at times with his style of play, we have improved under him, have improved the overall talent level while bringing through youth and lowering the squad age overall. Also, remember when we had to go above and beyond in crazy ways to try and sign big players under moyes and lvg, under Jose big players want to come to rainy Manchester. That’s a huge power to have. I think given a long run at the club he’ll
Continue to move his playing style towards the attacking tradition of the the club, finding a balance that entertains and gets results. Again, he still costs us points settling for draws, but that’s why he wins knockout tournaments like the CL, he just doesn’t lose. But I think he’s matured (ignoring the Conte nonsense) as a manager and won’t have the eventual blowup that was his calling card. City have thrown the season on its head, but we’re through the CL and doing well in the league relatively speaking. If I have to put my money on the table i'd much rather put it on Jose in years 3-5 than some random new manager in seasons 1-3.




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Pogba jones De Gea.




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20 Jan 2018 20:27:28
Those are ones that will Be hard to watch in video review at training this week. Hopefully encourages better decision making on those odd-man attacks with an extra attacker. 3v2 and 2v1 should be finished every time if they just keep their composure and let the open guy take the chance.




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Those are ones that will Be hard to watch in video review at training this week. Hopefully encourages better decision making on those odd-man attacks with an extra attacker. 3v2 and 2v1 should be finished every time if they just keep their composure and let the open guy take the chance.