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14 Jun 2017 08:16:57
G'day Ed,

Do you know if United have shown any interest in Robertson from Hull? Fantastic player and much better than Shaw in my opinion.

MAZE

{Ed001's Note - not sure I even slightly agree with your assessment of him, and United have not shown interest in him. So far anyway.}


1.) 14 Jun 2017 08:23:40
You don't rate him ed?

{Ed001's Note - he is not a top half Prem player, very average. Falls apart under pressure when I have watched him.}


2.) 14 Jun 2017 08:39:34
I'd disagree with that assessment Ed. When I have seen him he has looked solid. He will have a host of clubs chasing him in my opinion. I would go as far as saying he would be an improvement on the left backs at 4 of the top 6 clubs aside from Chelsea and Tottenham.

{Ed001's Note - he has a couple of clubs after him yes, but that is more because there are so few left backs, rather than because he is outstanding. I have no idea what you call solid, but he is not strong in the tackle (or strong generally), positionally suspect and was often caught in no man's land for Hull as he did not get forward strongly enough nor track back quickly enough. He never seemed to know if he was a full back or wing back and ended up being in neither position. His left foot is massively overrated as well, his delivery is good but not great, when he has time and space. The minute he is put under pressure it becomes terrible, ending up whacked into touch a lot of the times.}


3.) 14 Jun 2017 09:42:05
Ed I must admit I have to vehemently disagree with you on some of those points. It is a funny old game because some of 'lesser' parts of this lads game that you mention are parts I find to be his best attributes. For me his left foot is fantastic and he can whip in some nasty crosses for centre backs to cope with.

As for getting forward he will always try to make the run (should the managers tactics permit it) and busts a gut to get back into position. He is young and still learning so of course he will be a little rough around the edges but for me the ability is definitely there. I know a lad who has played with him and he is first on the field and keeps himself in complete perfect shape unlike our current left back who's ability is not in question just his ethic and commitment.

{Ed001's Note - I don't care who you know at Hull, if that is what you think is top class, then I fear for you. He is an average lower end Prem (at best) player. His left foot is far from fantastic, hence why he created so few chances last season. It is not so much his workrate that is the issue, as his positional sense, which is poor.}


4.) 14 Jun 2017 10:01:45
Ed I don't know anyone currently at Hull I was just passing on that this lad takes care of himself on and off the pitch. Again I did not say he was 'top class' but I think he is a really good player who can develop into a very good premier league fullback.

As for creating chances Ed, first and foremost he is a defensive player and for me he does that well. Secondly how many chances in total did Hull create last season? It is easy to snipe at his stats when he is playing for a pretty poor team. Let's see how he goes this season but I do rate him highly at the moment.

{Ed001's Note - plenty of other players created chances for Hull from a much weaker position to attack from. Clucas had far more of an effect going forward and did more defensively.

As for sniping at his stats, I am pointing out that this amazing left foot of his, despite a hell of a lot of chances to put a cross in, did little.}


5.) 14 Jun 2017 10:13:26
Ed I think Clucas had a pretty good year also but they play different roles so you cannot really compare them both.

You know as always I respect your opinion but it seems we disagree on this one. Let's see how he gets on next season with whatever club is lucky enough to get him!

Ps he does have a cracking left foot!


6.) 14 Jun 2017 10:50:05
Agree with Ed on this, if this is the calibre of player United need to challenge on all fronts maybe I am watching the wrong sport :-)


7.) 14 Jun 2017 10:50:26
Maze, I work in Hull. The fans say he's better at attacking than defending. Generally hit and miss.


8.) 14 Jun 2017 11:16:08
what do people think of our young left back d. mitchell is it worth giving him a couple of games.


9.) 14 Jun 2017 11:24:59
I thought against Palace he played well. It was the last game of the season with nothing for Palace to play for but, our youngsters played very well and it was a pleasure to watch them play. Tuanzebe, Harrop, McTominay, Mitchell and TFM may find themselves promoted.
They need a good pre season. CBJ needs one as well. We have places to fill in the squad since Schweinstieger, Depay and Schneiderlin have left. Jones and Smalling look likely to leave. Fellaini and Rooney could leave as well. Buy quality and promote our youth players.


10.) 14 Jun 2017 11:54:11
Gazpat have you seen him play or is he just not your cup of tea because he doesn't have a name like Moreno or Monreal?


11.) 14 Jun 2017 12:14:20
Robertson, Creswell, Bertrand - all much of a muchness for me. All mid-table PL standard, Bayern, PSG, Madrid, Chelsea, City, etc - all wouldn't bother to crane their necks, let alone look twice.

Mendy, Rose is the type of standard that will elevate us, much rather gamble on Shaw coming good than blow money on the others though.


12.) 14 Jun 2017 13:46:32
FAO Maze, I watched him 4 times, possibly 5 times last year so by no means a lot.

To say he is not my cup of tea because he is not foreign is ridiculous as I could name 4-5 Uk&Ireland based players with non-foreign names who I would class as currently better than him, older and younger.

Rose
Bertrand
Shaw
Gibbs
Tierney
Ben Davies

Bar Tierney all above have proved over the last few years they are at a far superior level to him imo.

As ED mentioned he is mid table team player at best. But it appears you can't allow people have their own opinions.


13.) 14 Jun 2017 14:24:09
Touche gazbat.


14.) 14 Jun 2017 14:24:49
I'll give you Rose and possibly Bertrand. Shaw at the moment for me is not as good as Robbo. Davies is capable on his day but nothing special. Tierney doesn't get the nod ahead of Robertson in the Scotland squad so why would you feel he is superior? Gibbs is bombscare so please forget that altogether.

It is all about Opinions but like I said above except Spurs and Chelsea who in the top 6 has got a better left back currently (and don't say Shaw as he isn't currently better)?


15.) 14 Jun 2017 15:12:29
Maze, I hear your opinion, and I have mine, I think Shaw right now is a better player, comfortably better, Tierney has had a somewhat breakout year this year, and will replace him in the Scotland setup very soon imo.

As mentioned just my opnions. If you disagree that is yours, but Manchester United need to be aiming a lot higher than Robertson calibre in y opinion, I would go as so far to say, I would prefer Darmian at left full and not spend the money on Robertson. I would give Shaw / Darmian / Rojo / Blind and Youth a chance before him.


16.) 14 Jun 2017 15:25:51
Just some stats from the web :

Ben Davies
Games 48
Minutes 2603
Goals 3
Assists 3
Average Rating 7.14

Andrew Robertson
Games 45
Minutes 2737
Goals 1
Assists 2
Average Rating 6.67

The stats seem to back up my opnion though.


17.) 14 Jun 2017 15:40:57
To be fair Davies is playing with better players than Robertson. So his stats should be better, even though I hate stats. One of those assists could have hit him on the back of his head accidentally, or he could have put 100 beautiful balls in only for the striker to finish - who gives the rating as well, we can't agree on here what to give our own players out of 10 and what we are basing things on?

Alli, Kane and Eriksen are all a lot more clinical than any of the Hull attackers as well. Their full backs mainly attack, Hull's mainly have to defend. Comparing apples with rotten apples, imo.

But again Davies is in the catchment of starter for mid-table team imo.


18.) 14 Jun 2017 16:02:42
I agree Beast, Mid Table player, not saying we should sign any of the players I listed, just saying I feel the players I listed are better than Robertson, including Ben Davies. So it's not let's sign the best Foreign player, it's let's sign the best player we can for a position.

Just feel the comment from Maze sounded a lot like Wilkinson the other day when he was moaning about United signing Lindelof instead of Keane.

It's not a foriegn vs English or Home Grown.

It's about ability.


19.) 14 Jun 2017 16:29:50
Wilkins apologies, Not Wilkinson.


20.) 15 Jun 2017 01:37:02
Interesting you make that comparison between Wilkins and I Gazpat because I am not English so I have no issue of preference over an English based player and a foreign national.

In the past though even on this forum I have seen players ridiculed who are British but Foreign players get off scot free because they have a fancy name.

As an example a few seasons ago Carrick and Rooney were getting constantly bashed whereas players like Di Maria and Falcao were getting a free ride. In hindsight who do you think was more deserving of the criticism?


21.) 15 Jun 2017 02:51:18
Maze, did Gazpat make that observation about Rooney/ Carrick being to blame over Di Maria/ Falcao? If not, then I'm not sure why he needs to answer your totally hypothetical scenario. I also don't see anything in his original post to suggest he favors foreign named players over homegrown. You seem to have a bee in your bonnet as usual.


22.) 15 Jun 2017 08:19:03
Again, I will reitterate, I don't prefer any one nationality over another (Although I would like to see an Irishman back at the club :-) )

People have favourites and people will moan about players, honestly it's a fans perogative to have a moan, we all pay money to watch and support, we are all entitled to opinions.

I can also distinctly remember Falcao not getting a free ride here, ok he would of gotten away lightly but still had his haters.

Di Maria played for one season, couldn't settle / wouldn't settle.

Personally I have no concern of where a player was born and raised. What I care about is ability.

Personally I would of sold Rooney when he tried to force through a move the first time.

But the manager (s) all know better than me, hence why my career ended at the ripe age of 24 :)


23.) 15 Jun 2017 09:01:05
How did either Falcao or Di Maria get a free ride?

I don't remember Falcao being talked about much here, but I think that's just because we forgot he was playing for us.

As I recall, Di Maria was bashed pretty mercilessly when he wasn't performing, and didn't get the praise he deserved when he played well.

I agree that Rooney always takes a bashing whenever he isn't playing out of his skin, but at the end of the day, a lot of people never forgave him for asking to leave (even though the reasoning he gave might as well have been copy-pasted from these pages at the time) .


24.) 15 Jun 2017 07:38:38
HB please see Gazpats post below:

{Just feel the comment from Maze sounded a lot like Wilkinson the other day when he was moaning about United signing Lindelof instead of Keane.

It's not a foriegn vs English or Home Grown}

So please tell me who is making these "hypothetical scenarios" again?


25.) 15 Jun 2017 09:39:07
Agree with pretty much everything there, I think the pace of the league didn't suit Angel or Falcao.

I was a huge Rooney fan, I thought he could do it all at one point, he has gone down hill rapid over the last few years, a lot of the criticism he receives is over the top, but I think we should have gotten rid of him three years ago personally, when we could of received a decent chunk of cash.

But that's hindsight.

PLayer bashing is one thing and fans having a moan is another, but some players fans just don't like.


26.) 16 Jun 2017 00:33:36
Maze, where this all stemmed from was you mentioning I didn't like Robertson because he didn't have a foreign name.

I then listed a lot of players who I feel are currently playing better / are better imo.

The conversation then seemed to switch to Home Grown vs Foreign, and I simply pointed to your point you made and made a very close comparison to what Ray Wilkins said on TV just this week.

You then said players are getting an easy time beccause they are foreign, which was nothing got to do with what we were talking about.

I can have a conversation / debate over players and ability, we can disagree, but stop making out people are saying things they don't or didn't say to suit your argument it's petty.

Again this was about Robertson, a 23/ 24 year old from Hull who should not be a target for a team wanting to get back to being one of the best teams in Europe, there are a lot of left backs playing in Europe who would be a damn site better than him. That is a fact.


 

 

01 Aug 2016 13:48:13
A friend of mine who is a big Juventus fan has just returned from Italy on a family vacation and was telling me what the locals have to say on the Pogba deal.

This probably won't be news to anyone but according to the guys living in the shadow of The Old Lady Pogba really does not want to come back to Manchester and his agent as well as the club are trying to force the move as much as they can.

Apparently both Juventus and the agent know that Pogba's stock is at an all time high and it will only take one poor season for that figure to plummet hence why they are doing all they can to make a deal happen. Man Utd are the only team willing to meet the terms.

He said if Pogba signs then of course he will come out to the media and say all the right things like 'its great to be back etc' but deep down his heart isn't in it and the player feels he is being backed into a corner which is why the deal is dragging on.

Interesting to hear that Juventus are trying to force the move as all we have read in the paper is that Pogba's 'greedy agent' is trying to make the deal happen.

MAZE

1.) 01 Aug 2016 14:00:19
maze
this won't go down well.


2.) 01 Aug 2016 14:23:12
Isn't Pogba quoted as saying last year that he was in love with Manchester and considered himself a Mancunian, that is why he was devestated when Rafael played instead of him and he decided to move on. Somehow I think he is itching to get back and prove to Fergie just how good he is.


3.) 01 Aug 2016 14:30:26
When I was in Liverpool for Uni I knew everything about Liverpool players' thoughts and wishes. Honest.


4.) 01 Aug 2016 14:39:06
I thought you were in China😀😀😀
I'm not sure that pogba iis such a weak individual that he well be from marched to OR against his will.
Madrid could well be his favoured destination but I know he loved his time at OT and coming here add new face of the ckub will not be a hardship.


5.) 01 Aug 2016 14:50:31
Juventus have to sell to balance the books, especially with the Higuain fee. It doesn't surprise me they would force a move.

{Ed001's Note - no they do not.}


6.) 01 Aug 2016 15:09:24
Pogba merchandise was removed from juve's club online store today.


7.) 01 Aug 2016 15:31:06
People seem to be taking this well.


8.) 01 Aug 2016 15:47:04
dsg
i got in first so everyone would be nice ;)


9.) 01 Aug 2016 15:49:24
😁😂😂 very good dsg.


10.) 01 Aug 2016 16:12:51
This is pretty much in line with what ed002 said. I'm inclined to believe it. Sad if true.


11.) 01 Aug 2016 17:24:40
Frankly I don't care. Listen, no one already at a big club is going to be super excited about moving to rainy Manchester. But pogba will do a job, hopefully make us CL contenders next season, and if in three or four years he's still desperate to move to Madrid or Barcelona then we can recoup much if not all of our cost and move on. If the team reaches its potential with the ridiculous attacking talent we have in store, I think pogba will absolutely love his football, if not the rain.


12.) 01 Aug 2016 18:16:28
Bang on KG.
That view won't go down well with the knockers 😀😀😀.


13.) 01 Aug 2016 18:54:57
Fairly in line with what some of the Eds said. I don't really care to be honest. It's a job at the end of the day, I've been in jobs that weren't my dream jobs, however I was well paid and kept happy, did my job very well. And Pogba has always had good things to say about United. Maybe not his 1st choice but apparently a good professional and will no doubt do the business for us on the pitch. At the end of it all that's all that matters. Don't understand how people have become obsessed with him and if he's worth it, are we his first choice, bla bla bla. World class CM end of.


14.) 01 Aug 2016 18:58:17
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Or in this case a bit creepy.


15.) 01 Aug 2016 19:00:28
Was beautiful in Manchester today, gorgeous August summer day 😂.


16.) 01 Aug 2016 19:09:31
Well said Angel.


17.) 01 Aug 2016 21:17:00
You think Juve would of spent the cash they have without the deal already being done? No way, they've gone out and spent and done the deal so clubs aren't negotiating knowing they've got the tick end of £100m in the bank.


18.) 02 Aug 2016 13:21:43
Assuming you are correct there Maze (not about Pogba, but about the Fans knowing everything), I am just trying to imagine the scene in Turin, as follows-

Pogba inside the stadium with the manager and the owners discussing the future and Pogba says I don't wanna go but the owners are adamant. We want the money Paul and you are free to leave but only to Manchester since they will pay what we want. After a brawl including Mino Raiola, Paul walks out onto the streets of Turin all crying and sobbing. Momma please save me, I don't wanna go. no no please no. I don't wanna go to Manchester. Madrid are my heart and soul and first choice. In the heart I swear.

How on earth would a lay man on the street know what Paul Pogba wants? I don't even know what my wife wants and she lives with me all day long.


19.) 02 Aug 2016 14:15:33
Now who's the liar maze? Lol tell you're friends uncles guide dogs brother, sure obviously Italy knows where Pogbas next destination is, like every Italians a Juve fan that's 'ITK' . I call BS!


20.) 02 Aug 2016 15:42:41
I was over for the villa game and got sun burn😅😅😅, had the flu on the Monday but we won't mind that.


21.) 02 Aug 2016 21:51:21
I don't get how. The player, this day in age holds all the power so if he didn't want the move he'd say no. Juve would rather have him for another season than miss out on how much? £30-40m? Seems strange he'd be forced to go.


22.) 03 Aug 2016 12:23:03
Cr92 how am I a liar?

A work mate goes to Italy as he does most years and chats to a few locals on his travels about his favourite club. I relay the information here and I am a liar?


23.) 04 Aug 2016 23:24:40
Not you Maze . He meant Rollo 😆😆.


 

 

30 Jul 2016 12:11:31
Schweinstiger apparently training on his own. Maybe the end of the road at United for the German?

MAZE

1.) 30 Jul 2016 15:29:44
Perhaps they couldn't find a bib big enough for him?


2.) 30 Jul 2016 16:56:24
I'd be sad to see him go, however, I think that's me thinking about how good a player he used to be and not about what he's done for United. In truth if he leaves it's probably the correct decision because his performances have been below par since joining.


3.) 30 Jul 2016 17:30:27
I'm not bothered if he leaves, as far as I'm concerned we never signed the Schweinsteiger I knew, and rated among the very best. It's sad when a player comes for all the wrong reasons, I read Vieri is making a China come back yesterday, horrible.

I suppose Schweiny won't be too bothered he got to play at the Euros, is adored at Bayern and is probably earning £500 for every stride he makes whilst training by himself.


4.) 30 Jul 2016 21:13:22
Beast you wanted him to be our captain just a month ago.


5.) 31 Jul 2016 00:56:46
I wanted him over Rooney as captain. It's more of an indictment on Rooney.


6.) 31 Jul 2016 01:13:06
Im hoping that at the age of 31 he's not already knacked and jose can get a tune out of him.

A fit and motivated pig commander would be a real asset for us.


7.) 31 Jul 2016 07:19:40
I always thought one day I'd marry Kylie and when I think of her it is in her hey day whereas she has now entered her Schweinsteiger years, not as fit, not as supple, and just doesn't have the same impact nowadays.


8.) 31 Jul 2016 09:03:34
Beast
That sums up the anyone but Rooney attitude very well.


9.) 31 Jul 2016 09:58:04
Ahh
You still would tho.


10.) 31 Jul 2016 10:59:19
Side note schweingsteiger doesn't mean pig commander - its more pig farmer.


11.) 31 Jul 2016 12:03:44
Jred, too right, she's been the object of my affections for years, that's probably why we signed Schweini.


 

 

03 Apr 2016 08:47:03
Speaking to a friend who has had dealings with football clubs in the past through representing his organisation and he filled me in on a few things he has heard regarding United. This guy has previously told me in advance about the Ryan Giggs off field saga well before it hit the papers (his organisation were involved in the litigation process) and the West Ham takeover by Eggert Magnusson in 2006 (his organisations worked on financials) to name a few. His organisation are currently dealing with Red Football (albeit not on anything major at the moment) .

Firstly he claims the Glazers are actively seeking buyers for the club in 2017 but the price will be colossal and they will be stepping up the search in coming months. Apparently he has been told that Joel Glazer in particular has had several meetings over the past few months regarding future ventures post Man Utd and Woodward will in all probability expect to exit the club also should it be sold.

As far as the club is concerned presently the Glazers and Woodward would like LVG to see out his contract until 2017. The reasoning behind this is that if a new buyer takes over the club in 2017 it will allow them to choose the successor to LVG. This would mean the new owner isn't bound by any contractual agreement to the manager in place at the time, meaning they won't have to fork out millions to see the back of that manager should they not feel he is the man they want in charge.

Finally, the claim that Ryan Giggs may be future United manager seems to be also a fabricated story to the media to keep the wolves away from the Glazer's, Woodward's and LVG's door especially when his first season was going pretty poorly (which makes sense as LVG himself fanned these flames many times) . In actual fact the Glazers don't plan to appoint any successor to LVG as the don't plan to be at the club.

The club will be happy to use the influence of SAF and SBC to appease fans (which also makes sense as SAF backed LVG a few days ago and SBC has been an open critic of Mourinho in the past) . Ultimately though it will all come down to the will of the fans wether LVG is in charge or not but as it stands at the moment the club want him to stay and even have involved in pre-season planning etc.

Sorry for the long post and take from this what you will but I thought it was information worth passing on. Also I can't name the organisation my friend works with as I am sure you would understand.

MAZE

1.) 31 Mar 2016 10:39:32
Ed, thanks for the quick reply!

What are your opinion on the players? Do you rate them?

{Ed001's Note - the Ajax lad looks good, but they have a couple of others as well I would look at. Sanches looks a special talent and Dembele I really like the look of. The issue is not how good they are or can become, it is whether United is the right place to develop them. They need the right environment or they will stall, similar to how Stones is stalling at Everton because they have the wrong manager to teach a player how to defend. I am not sure that United is the right place for them. These youngsters need to go somewhere they will play every week to develop them to their fullest.}


2.) 31 Mar 2016 10:47:45
Cheers Ed, Dembele would surely start if we bought him? We don't have a right winger so he would surely get plenty of game time.

Who else do you like at Ajax?

Do you know of any defenders we are after?

It sounds like the club are targeting the right players, going for the long term rather than buying a guy just because he has a name.

{Ed001's Note - but then you have Lingard pushed out in the cold, just as he is beginning to settle into the side. It seems silly to buy another player that needs developing, unless the club decides Lingard is not good enough.

I like Cerny, Milik, maybe Sinkgraven, El Ghazi and Veltman could be good in time too.

You have certainly shown interest in Veltman and Mustafi, but it is difficult to say who you will go after as Laporte's injury has put Man City back in the chase for a centre back. With the pull of Pep, allied to the huge money, it means everyone else is really going to be getting whoever they don't go for.}


3.) 31 Mar 2016 10:54:58
Well Ed001 I would argue against that actually.

Martial came in and has been given a great chance and grabbed it with both arms.

Rashford is doing well after being given a chance. Shaw would most certainly have been a first team regular if not for his injury.

Lingard is getting games too. And previoualy welbeck, cleverley, de gea all were given regular chances at a very young age.

I would think United would be one of the best options for these youngsters and have a very convincing argument of having regualrly bought/ brought through youngsters and given them real chances to bring them in.

These players play as strikers or as box to box midfielders, both positions in which United need players.

{Ed001's Note - my point is you already have the youngsters to develop, you need the experience to surround them now.}


4.) 31 Mar 2016 12:02:21
Rewz you have given a huge spiel on the Banter page in regards to getting behind Depay for the next few seasons but you are saying this 18 year old lad Dembele who I have never heard of will come straight into the side as we don't have a right winger.

So what is it, get behind Depay or get this teenager into replace him?


5.) 31 Mar 2016 12:07:54
Depay is a left winger, he's played their the entirety of his professional career.


6.) 31 Mar 2016 12:14:35
I apologise for my use of their, I'm hanging my head in shame.


7.) 31 Mar 2016 12:22:02
Left/ Right does it matter? If your good enough you can play on both. Martial is making the left his own so where does Depay fit in?


8.) 31 Mar 2016 11:38:21
Milik looks a good player, do you think he's better than Janssen of AZ?

{Ed001's Note - no idea, sorry.}


9.) 31 Mar 2016 12:34:22
Martial's future position will be striker, Depay dropped out the team and Martial stepped in and has done a really great job thus Depay hasn't really got back in.

We play enough players out of position already, we bought Depay because by some distance he was the best left sided prospect. There is a reason Bayern etc wanted him. Give him time and I'm sure he'll grow into the goal scoring left forward we thought we signed.

Dembele is a two footed goal scoring wide forward/ 10 with pace to burn something we lack. We've lacked balance in attack all season and we've certainly lacked pace on the right.


10.) 31 Mar 2016 14:36:17
Reckon we'll only go for one youngster and that will be Renato Sanches.

I would expect us to go towards a 4-3-3 next year and it will be byes byes to Fellaini, Mata, Carrick (hopefully he becomes a player/ coach he seems great with the squad) so we'll be in the market for a midfielder maybe even two. Would love to see us go for Kroos aswell.

Dembele looks to be a star in the making but we need a proven top tier forward to come in. Would only take him if we sent him back to rennes for 2 years.


11.) 31 Mar 2016 15:09:20
Agree with ed its experience we lack. Look at the defence. The most experienced player is mike. In midfield its Carrick an Bastian but their nearer the end than their peak.


12.) 31 Mar 2016 18:37:00
I'm also with you to a large degree ed.
I would like to see zlatan brought in along with a proven right winger mahrez possibly in the attacking areas. They can help develop Rashford depay lingard and martial
But in midfield we have the relative experience of herrera and Morgan and the vaat experience of bastian and only possibly pereira and mensah coming through. I think sanches looks a bit special and is very worthwhile pursuing. But I also think we need some natural defensive energy in midfield and would like kante
In defence we need a ball winning experienced cb that is s talker and leader. However the vidic / terry type cb are in short supply. This will get the best out of smalling. We also need an experienced rb to compete with darmian.
So a mix of experience in key positions like cb rw and striker but if 1 or 2 of Europe's elite youngsters become available and we can get them then we should get them on the condition that room is made for them in the squad by reducing the vat no of experienced fringe players we have at the club that will make little or no contribution.
Valencia young rojo carrick fellaini mata and rooney for me are the players that should leave in the summer to make way for a few new experienced players and some new or coming through young players.
In a 55 game season very few players start more than 35 games nowadays. So there is room for a lot of players to develop but only if the pathway is ruthlessly cleared for them they way it was for the class of 92 and the great Barcelona generation.


13.) 05 Apr 2016 07:23:20
Ken that doesn't make sense! I'd agree with a couple of outgoings but you suggest selling our experienced players so we can buy experienced players? Think a lot of people need to appreciate what likrs of carrick Rooney mata bring to squad / dressing room! We need to learn from past mistakes of selling all our experience!


 

 

28 Nov 2015 13:06:07
Ed002 I have read a report that James Rodriguez's agent has been speculating about his clients future due to his current financial package at Madrid and the fact he feels James is being overlooked due to the 'untouchables' of Bale, Benz and Ronaldo etc always first choice.

Roncero (the AS journalist) goes on to say many great clubs like Man Utd, Juventus, Bayern among others could offer Rodriguez the package he deserves (or his agent thinks he deserves) . Probably a nothing story I know but I thought it was one worth asking when you consider Madrid have let a few big names leave for big money over the past few years such as Ozil, Di Maria, Higuain etc.

Could James be lured away from the Bernabeau and if so would Madrid be willing to listen to offers for him?

Thanks bro.

MAZE

{Ed002's Note - You really need the Real Madrid page for this but there is no plan to sell James Rodrigues in January. There are a four significant things going on in the background that could have an impact on whether or not he would be available in the summer. Right now Mendes is focused on the futures of three other players.}


1.) 28 Nov 2015 14:32:18
This what happens when you buy ego/worlds best players, they always use and play other big sides to try and hold the current clubs to ransom.


2.) 28 Nov 2015 19:21:05
Good job we haven't got any of the worlds best players then!


3.) 01 Dec 2015 12:22:37
Mike Smalling would disagree.

{Ed025's Note - love it harry..


 

 

 

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14 Aug 2017 07:57:27
The campaign could not have started any better. Fantastic performance all round and if I was to be super critical only a few brainless lapses from Mr Pogba bugged me.

I thought Lukaku looked sharp and Rashford was a handful. Matic bossed the midfield and really showed what he can bring to the team.

Personally I do not rate West Ham. In fact in AJH’s prediction competition I opted for Bilic to be the first manager sacked as to me he seems like a manager with no plan at the best of times. Having said that, take nothing away from the United performance as it really set a marker as to what the club want to achieve this season.

Great football and top of the league. Long may it continue.

MAZE

1.) 14 Aug 2017 08:53:34
Pogba is blossoming and had a great game, but he can be sloppy and careless in possession, so, etimes in dangerous areas. If he cuts that out he will be a real star.


2.) 14 Aug 2017 09:21:00
Agreed maze.

A very bright and entertaining season lay ahead.


3.) 14 Aug 2017 09:57:11
AJH I agree the lad his some talent but he just seems to have these brain fades. I think he is still trying to figure out what he actually is in terms of a footballer. Sometimes I see his flicks and finesse on the ball and think he could be a striker. Other times he looks like wide player and of course he can play centrally.

Angel it was the perfect start and on that performance if Utd can keep this squad together let's hope for a fine season of rewards.


4.) 14 Aug 2017 12:04:40
Pogba played great yesterday. He takes risks and is one of the few central midfielders who breaks through one or two tackles and drives forwards with the ball. This completely messes with defensive tactics - out wide there is more time to recover.

You can't have a risk taker who never loses the gamble. If you want the driving runs, breaking tackles and inciseful passes then you have to accept that sometimes they don't come off.

Pogba, Matic, Miki and Mata looked perfect in midfield yesterday. Herrera could struggle to get back in.


 

 

11 Aug 2017 07:40:29
Hi lads,

On the Eve of the new season feel free to add your team into the Man Utd Banter Page league.

The Winner gets front row tickets to see The Beast wax lyrical about Danny Welbeck followed by a lecture from GDS2 on why smalling is just as good as Stam.

Code 3351067-763867.

MAZE

1.) 11 Aug 2017 08:28:25
What a prize.

{Ed001's Note - I hope someone will record it for the site! That deserves to be seen by all.}


2.) 11 Aug 2017 09:43:49
Joined.

My team name is Lallan's in Pyjamas but there's no need to worry I'm 100% a United supporter. Just liked the name, good luck to you all.


3.) 11 Aug 2017 09:50:24
The loser gets a BSC wax from me as I sing to them dressed as Danny Welbeck. It's a win-win.


4.) 11 Aug 2017 10:16:11
Cheers maze. I'll get in on a bit of that. Can't miss out on those prizes!


5.) 11 Aug 2017 11:03:55
Which League are you using?


6.) 11 Aug 2017 11:33:55
It's the premier league one TOT66.


7.) 11 Aug 2017 12:14:33
Thanks :-)


8.) 11 Aug 2017 13:41:04
How about front row tickets to a concert? Maybe a Barbers Shop Quartet featuring Maze, JMB, Rollo and Tommy Gunner.

Be the first ever Quartet solo.


9.) 11 Aug 2017 16:20:18
In, cheers Maze.


 

 

10 Aug 2017 07:02:15
Come on boys and girls, put the lunacy to the side for a minute and stop crying over a mere ‘super cup friendly’.

This is a cup that is even less coveted trophy than the Sevilla Cup so read nothing from it at all. In fact read one thing – judging on that match Isco was the only superstar on either side.

When the season kicks off then make judgements on the players, manager and executives as that is when it matters.

Like most folk on here in my opinion I believe United should be a good chance of winning the flag this season. This is a talented and expensive side and my expectations are sky high.

MAZE

1.) 10 Aug 2017 07:59:27
I would include modric Kroos and caseimero in the Isco list.
Can I just ask, why are your expectations sky high? We lost zlatan and replaced with lukaku which is good. We've replaced Carrick with like for like Matic. And we've added a solid defender in Lindelof but he'll need time to settle. We already had the second best defence last year but it was in midfield, attack And wide areas that we were lacking, and we've done nothing to improve these.
So how are we going to bridge the 30 goal gap over Chelsea, City and Spurs? Even the Scousers and Arsenal scored a load more than us. We scored 54 goals last year, so how are we going to score 85 goals? Are Rashford and Martial suddenly going to score 15 each? Is lingard going to chip in with 10? Are Mata Herrera pogba going to score regularly? Hererra scored 1, pogba 5, Mata 5, Rashford 5, martial forgettable season.
So where are the goals coming from. That's the biggest worry. Under Fergie, we always tried to score and nearly always ended as top scorers. 54 goals or even 70 goals is not going to win the league.


2.) 10 Aug 2017 08:09:16
Because surely we can't miss that many chances again.


3.) 10 Aug 2017 08:15:38
Well said, we had a great pre season but the Madrid game has caused a collective meltdown.


4.) 10 Aug 2017 08:47:12
Forgetting that yes we only scored 54 but we had the most chances created but not taken.


5.) 10 Aug 2017 10:54:51
Schmid, I think there are many ways a team improves. Without additions I think you look at players who underperformed Last year who I believe will have better seasons. Pogba, Martial, Rashford from the goals scored point of view, Mikitarian. add to that the games we drew, number of posts we hit and it suddenly does not seem like such a big leap.
Yes I want the extra players like Bale. Yes I am being optimistic. But let's not judge on a game against the best in RM. Coming weeks will tell us more.


 

 

04 Aug 2017 12:17:22
Shappy, Bale is 28 years old and in his prime. How on earth can you say his best days are behind him and he is in decline? This thing where people feel any player over the age of 24 is in decline is madness.

Neymar just went for a reported £222m plus wages equating to a reported £400m. If you claim Bale is only worth £50m you are saying Neymar is four times more impressive than Bale? I don't think so.

Yes Bale has had his fitness issues, so has Messi and Ronaldo but he keeps himself in great shape, doesn't drink or smoke and is committed to his game. When his pace dies out in 4 or 5 years he will adjust his game like all good players. His dead balls and vision are incredible he may become more of a Beckham type player or an out and out striker like Ronaldo has done.

You couldn't make half this stuff up. Folk are comparing Bale to Hargreaves. From the stats I see he really hasn't missed that many games. He steps up in big games and would be significantly better than any player on our books.

MAZE

1.) 04 Aug 2017 12:53:29
Maze,

While he maybe 28 and as you say, have a lot of miles left in him, the one thing that Ronaldo and Messi have is a proper football brain. I don't think Bale has that. When his speed goes, which it already is if you look at his stats, Will he be a striker? Number 10? i'm not sure. His injuries have held him back and no doubt, a brilliant player on his day but if you offered me Bale of Greizmann, It wouldn't be Bale.


2.) 04 Aug 2017 12:53:33
I agree MAZE, he is a lot better than what we already have and if we could get him for anywhere near £80m that would be a bargain in my opinion, as for those that say he is injury prone well so was Van Persie but given the right fitness regime look what he did for us in the season with Fergie.


3.) 04 Aug 2017 13:13:17
Maze, it hasn't happened many times over the years, and probably won't again for a few, but I couldn't agree more! We're talking about one of the top 10 players in the world here. He is one of the elite who can drag a team through a match single handedly and is already premier league proven. I would love us to sign him. Couldn't care less about the cost of it. He's 28 at his PRIME, his peak years. If he only played 25 premier league game a season I'd wager he'd contribute more goals and assists than Perisic playing 38.


4.) 04 Aug 2017 14:31:40
My only worry is that he seems more injury prone than smalling Jones and Shaw put together.
I don't think he's an amazing player but on his day, he can destroy any defence.
If I was going for consistency, then I'll go for Sanchez before Bale.


5.) 04 Aug 2017 14:48:59
Long time reader (several times a day), first time poster

Quick question if any of the ed's are available. Reading slot of talk about Bale these past few days and I believe it's on the back of a recent article stating that Madrid would need to release a player before signing Mbappe.

I don't believe Bale to united has been mentioned on the Sharkpods, and he has never been mentioned as a genuine target in the posts I have searched.

Do you believe Bale would be available this transfer window, and if so, do you believe United would be interested?

Thanks for all the information you have provided across all the pages and the time you have put in.

{Ed025's Note - welcome cumbria, i dont see bale moving this window to be honest but when he does im sure united will be one of the clubs interested mate..


6.) 04 Aug 2017 14:43:02
I'd like to add, why is Bale going to lose his pace in the next couple of years? Has Robben? Would you say Robben isn't a top player anymore?


7.) 04 Aug 2017 15:11:56
Beckham didn't exactly rely on his pace, and I'd say Bale's left foot is as good as David's right.


8.) 04 Aug 2017 15:20:44
Dunno why but I'm not really sold on bale I know I should be but I'm just not.


9.) 04 Aug 2017 15:23:35
But robben doesn't have a history of knee and ankle issues and his game has never relied on pure pace, more on skill and close control.
Bale is too much of a risk. For what he would cost we could buy Jose's choice, peresic plus a right back eg aurier thus addressing 2 areas that most fans think need strengthening.


10.) 04 Aug 2017 14:59:51
Thanks for the quick reply! Hopefully we should see Peresic added this window, then I believe we are in a better position to put up a challenge.

{Ed025's Note - no probs mate..


11.) 04 Aug 2017 16:12:31
Didn't we have a poll set up about Bale or Greizmann recentley? I don't think anyone doubts his ability or talent but I just don't see him being worth the same as Greizmann pretty much. 2 years younger and a player who can play along the front line and not struggle at all. You have to take injuries and all sorts of things into consideration when buying such a dynamic player. Look at Henderson (I know, but stay with me. ) Fergie pointed out in his book that his running style will cause all sorts of niggling injuries in the future and you have to say he was right. Clubs have people looking at every specific detail. Each signing is basically an investment in an asset. While they might boost the profile of the club, no point in having someone who is either going to be a gamble on fitness and ability in the next few years. 90 Million for someone you say has 3 years left is not a good investment in my eyes.


12.) 04 Aug 2017 16:13:22
Bale's problem is his body. He can't stay fit for more than 10 games.
When you look at Messi, Ronaldo, and Neymar he's not even in the same league.
I have never been a massive Bale fan to be honest. just my opinion.


13.) 04 Aug 2017 20:01:21
Two words 'Wayne Rooney', got to his peak and then dog S***. Rooneys decline was due to his Sh*tty lifestyle and I think the same will happen to Bale due to his recent injury problems and his reliance on his pace, not his fault on this occasion but I think the end result could be the same.

People point out the past 3-4 years as proof that he isn't injury prone, but when you are shelling out what could be £80-100m plus wages, you have to look at the recent past more than the seasons before. Paying that would be hugely risky for me. We got burned with Hargreaves so have been here before and he didn't cost anywhere near as much.

As I've said a few times before, if he had more to his game, didn't rely so heavily on pace and was less injury prone as Ronaldo has been, then it would be a no brainer. But for the figures involved I'd wait and see if we can get Griezmann next summer. Yes he's not proven in the PL but neither are Bales now older and more worn muscles and ankles, which would take a bigger beating in this league.

Having one of the top 10 players in the world in your squad is amazing, but when they spend most of their time in the physio room they are no better than a local pub footballer.


14.) 04 Aug 2017 20:36:02
Simo ' he can't stay fit' that's simply not true mate. He had played 244 games in last 5 seasons in all comps.


15.) 04 Aug 2017 21:13:32
Just thought I would post Bales minutes played over the past 5 seasons for Real, as i don't give a toss what he does on international unless he gets injured. They are as follows

16/ 17 - 1937 mins - equivalent of 22 x 90
15/ 16 - 2382 mins - equivalent of 26.5 x 90
14/ 15 - 4038 mins - equivalent of 45 x 90
13/ 14 - 3327 mins - equivalent of 37 x 90
12/ 13 - 3891 mins - equivalent of 43 x 90

Not sure how many were full 90 mins and how many were sub appearances etc, but the past 2 seasons are worrying for an £80-100m player for me.


16.) 04 Aug 2017 22:19:28
Sorry 12/ 13 was Spurs and not Real, but I was just including club games only.


 

 

03 Aug 2017 07:14:03
With the signing of a winger still on the agenda and the Perisic deal seemingly still dragging on would anyone take a chance of Shaqiri of Stoke?

I seen a bit of him in pre-season and his touch is incredible. It looks like he is fit and strong. There is something about his technique I cannot put my finger on similar to that of Berbatov. He is 25 years old and seems to have matured.

I don't think he is the type of player to step up another level against the major teams but United have expensive players like Pogba and Lukaku for that. Against smaller teams though I believe he can be a weapon to open up tight games. How many points did United drop against lesser opposition last season?

Again I have no intel and no mates who knows his mum I just feel he is a potentially special player who is flying under the radar.

MAZE

1.) 03 Aug 2017 07:32:35
We have a goal scoring problem and you want us to sign a guy who scored 4 goals in epl last season.


2.) 03 Aug 2017 07:41:38
He is more than a decent player and has shown in parts that he is very technical but he went to the wrong team with stoke.

Based in his overall time in the prem he's not done gteat but as i said he's at the wrong team.

Good shout for tge right price MAZE.

{Ed001's Note - seriously? He is crap and injury prone. Lazy. Not the wrong team just a player who won't put the effort in. The guy is not a team player.}


3.) 03 Aug 2017 08:13:05
The comparison to berbatov is apt in that neither put/ s much effort in when the ball is in their own half. The fact that we seem to be looking at wide players that work hard no matter what direction the ball is heading tells me that shaqiri is a non starter suggestion without even going into his ability.


4.) 03 Aug 2017 08:04:08
Sorry Ed but the only aspect of his attitude that I've heard is that yes, he's a little slow in getting fit from a knock/ injury - doesn't do his all

The player that stands out for being lazy has now moved on and that was arnautovic.

{Ed001's Note - Arnautovic tracked back unlike Shaqiri. Shaqiri plays football like my mate on FIFA, utterly brainless, mindless running until he gets anywhere within sight of goal and shoots. Very rarely passes or crosses, when he does it usually catches his team mates by surprise. He is one of the most over rated players around.}


5.) 03 Aug 2017 09:07:46
Arnautovic - now there I a decent player. He is a better comparison to Berbatov than Shaqiri is, but more hard working.

Not a top top player, but lots of ablity IMO. I think he will do very well this season.

{Ed025's Note - im a big fan as well betty..


6.) 03 Aug 2017 09:16:15
Shaqiri is nothing like berbatov imo.
He is bone idle and i'd prefer ashly young. in fact i'd prefer ashley grimes.

{Ed001's Note - I think people just haven't actually watched Shaqiri play, he produces a couple of MOTD moments throughout a season and that is the sum total of his contribution to the team. If he actually bothered to put some effort in when he trained, he might not pick up so many injuries. Berbatov was a quality player, with an excellent touch which is nothing like Shaqiri at all!}


7.) 03 Aug 2017 08:51:40
I think i would prefer zaha over shaqiri.


8.) 03 Aug 2017 09:23:39
Bayern got shot of Shaqiri for a reason. And no one other than Stoke came in for him for a reason as well.

He is about good enough to be the big fish in a small pond but lacks the mentality to step up to a big club.

I think we should only sign a new winger if they are significantly better than what we have. Shaqiri isn't, in fact he isn't even as good as what we have. Would rather have Nani back.


9.) 03 Aug 2017 11:14:57
Bayern sold him to inter shappy who sold him to Stoke when everton were also interested. So not quite true.

Technically a very good player. Another player with attitude problems. He was renowned for them in Basel, he thought he was the bees knees.

If he gets his head out of his backside, could be very good. Long way off playing for a big club.


10.) 03 Aug 2017 11:23:53
Just think yourselves Maze!

Is shaqiri good enough to replace Martial, Rashford, Mkhi, Mata considering if they play in wings? I don't think so. He will never be the winger which will bring lots of goals and assists.

Alexis Sanchez is the perfect choice for me. We may not have interest in him but he has all the attributes to succeed at Man Utd.


11.) 03 Aug 2017 12:55:37
Angel, I'd forgotten about his stint at Inter. Well that's two top teams who sold him on pretty quickly. That speaks volumes.


12.) 03 Aug 2017 14:48:13
It does Shappy.

More work ethic than technique me thinks.


13.) 03 Aug 2017 15:00:58
God no. Stoke is definitely his level.


14.) 03 Aug 2017 23:11:49
Shaqiri, no thanks. Dimitar Berbatov, however, was pure class.


 

 

 

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23 Jul 2017 12:01:19
I think you're right Ken. Jose doesn't have it in him to take Martial to the next level. He will probably just sign a player at his peak from another team.

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11 Jul 2017 23:20:42
Betty your point makes almost zero sense. Why are you comparing Wes Brown and Gerard? The point is that the OP is saying a huge fee is very steep for Perisic yet Inter Milan have a right to ask for what they want as he is their player.

Why would they let a valuable asset who has had a distinguished career leave for a bargain basement value when they have just seen United shell out a whopping fee for a player playing mid league PL football?

MAZE

 

 

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11 Jul 2017 22:19:58
Why is it steep when Lukaku is going for 75mil?

Correct me if I am wrong but hasn't Perisic done and achieved more in his career than Lukaku?

MAZE

 

 

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11 Jul 2017 13:58:17
If Martial is loaned out then in my opinion the clubs list management is being ran by mugs.

MAZE

 

 

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07 Jul 2017 07:14:29
Agreed Angel.

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Sorry Walrus Maze does not understand.

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16 Aug 2017 22:15:55
Stand you worry too much. The league has just started. United won emphatically. Scored more goals than anyone else. Take a breath and let it out Sir.

MAZE

 

 

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16 Aug 2017 22:13:22
Good win tonight for your boys Ed. In all honesty a game you lot should be winning but a great way to take the pressure off in the second leg wherever in Eastern Europe that may be.

MAZE

{Ed007's Note - They're actually in Asia, bizarre. We played them last year in qualifiers as well and made things difficult but went through. I was 100% confident of qualifying for a wee change.}


 

 

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16 Aug 2017 22:11:42
Tony I agree with this post to an extent. I hate transfer fees with a real passion. I would rather see player trades and draft picks any day of the week than let the elite buy more to keep the little guy down.

Essentially the 1million pound player has become the 20million pound player overnight but let's not forget United have had a big part to play in this.

MAZE

 

 

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14 Aug 2017 10:01:38
I agree Ed. Didn't he come out and say something along the lines of 'it would poor of me to leave the Atletico during their time of need'? The problem is some fans just cannot move on until the next mass media story starts to stick.

For what it's worth I think Greizmann is a top player but he seems full of himself and really laps up his air time in front of the camera. I could see someone like him butting heads with Jose if something didn't go his way whereas someone like Matic for example would take a disagreement on the chin and get on with his job.

MAZE