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14 Jun 2017 08:16:57
G'day Ed,

Do you know if United have shown any interest in Robertson from Hull? Fantastic player and much better than Shaw in my opinion.

MAZE

{Ed001's Note - not sure I even slightly agree with your assessment of him, and United have not shown interest in him. So far anyway.}


1.) 14 Jun 2017 08:23:40
You don't rate him ed?

{Ed001's Note - he is not a top half Prem player, very average. Falls apart under pressure when I have watched him.}


2.) 14 Jun 2017 08:39:34
I'd disagree with that assessment Ed. When I have seen him he has looked solid. He will have a host of clubs chasing him in my opinion. I would go as far as saying he would be an improvement on the left backs at 4 of the top 6 clubs aside from Chelsea and Tottenham.

{Ed001's Note - he has a couple of clubs after him yes, but that is more because there are so few left backs, rather than because he is outstanding. I have no idea what you call solid, but he is not strong in the tackle (or strong generally), positionally suspect and was often caught in no man's land for Hull as he did not get forward strongly enough nor track back quickly enough. He never seemed to know if he was a full back or wing back and ended up being in neither position. His left foot is massively overrated as well, his delivery is good but not great, when he has time and space. The minute he is put under pressure it becomes terrible, ending up whacked into touch a lot of the times.}


3.) 14 Jun 2017 09:42:05
Ed I must admit I have to vehemently disagree with you on some of those points. It is a funny old game because some of 'lesser' parts of this lads game that you mention are parts I find to be his best attributes. For me his left foot is fantastic and he can whip in some nasty crosses for centre backs to cope with.

As for getting forward he will always try to make the run (should the managers tactics permit it) and busts a gut to get back into position. He is young and still learning so of course he will be a little rough around the edges but for me the ability is definitely there. I know a lad who has played with him and he is first on the field and keeps himself in complete perfect shape unlike our current left back who's ability is not in question just his ethic and commitment.

{Ed001's Note - I don't care who you know at Hull, if that is what you think is top class, then I fear for you. He is an average lower end Prem (at best) player. His left foot is far from fantastic, hence why he created so few chances last season. It is not so much his workrate that is the issue, as his positional sense, which is poor.}


4.) 14 Jun 2017 10:01:45
Ed I don't know anyone currently at Hull I was just passing on that this lad takes care of himself on and off the pitch. Again I did not say he was 'top class' but I think he is a really good player who can develop into a very good premier league fullback.

As for creating chances Ed, first and foremost he is a defensive player and for me he does that well. Secondly how many chances in total did Hull create last season? It is easy to snipe at his stats when he is playing for a pretty poor team. Let's see how he goes this season but I do rate him highly at the moment.

{Ed001's Note - plenty of other players created chances for Hull from a much weaker position to attack from. Clucas had far more of an effect going forward and did more defensively.

As for sniping at his stats, I am pointing out that this amazing left foot of his, despite a hell of a lot of chances to put a cross in, did little.}


5.) 14 Jun 2017 10:13:26
Ed I think Clucas had a pretty good year also but they play different roles so you cannot really compare them both.

You know as always I respect your opinion but it seems we disagree on this one. Let's see how he gets on next season with whatever club is lucky enough to get him!

Ps he does have a cracking left foot!


6.) 14 Jun 2017 10:50:05
Agree with Ed on this, if this is the calibre of player United need to challenge on all fronts maybe I am watching the wrong sport :-)


7.) 14 Jun 2017 10:50:26
Maze, I work in Hull. The fans say he's better at attacking than defending. Generally hit and miss.


8.) 14 Jun 2017 11:16:08
what do people think of our young left back d. mitchell is it worth giving him a couple of games.


9.) 14 Jun 2017 11:24:59
I thought against Palace he played well. It was the last game of the season with nothing for Palace to play for but, our youngsters played very well and it was a pleasure to watch them play. Tuanzebe, Harrop, McTominay, Mitchell and TFM may find themselves promoted.
They need a good pre season. CBJ needs one as well. We have places to fill in the squad since Schweinstieger, Depay and Schneiderlin have left. Jones and Smalling look likely to leave. Fellaini and Rooney could leave as well. Buy quality and promote our youth players.


10.) 14 Jun 2017 11:54:11
Gazpat have you seen him play or is he just not your cup of tea because he doesn't have a name like Moreno or Monreal?


11.) 14 Jun 2017 12:14:20
Robertson, Creswell, Bertrand - all much of a muchness for me. All mid-table PL standard, Bayern, PSG, Madrid, Chelsea, City, etc - all wouldn't bother to crane their necks, let alone look twice.

Mendy, Rose is the type of standard that will elevate us, much rather gamble on Shaw coming good than blow money on the others though.


12.) 14 Jun 2017 13:46:32
FAO Maze, I watched him 4 times, possibly 5 times last year so by no means a lot.

To say he is not my cup of tea because he is not foreign is ridiculous as I could name 4-5 Uk&Ireland based players with non-foreign names who I would class as currently better than him, older and younger.

Rose
Bertrand
Shaw
Gibbs
Tierney
Ben Davies

Bar Tierney all above have proved over the last few years they are at a far superior level to him imo.

As ED mentioned he is mid table team player at best. But it appears you can't allow people have their own opinions.


13.) 14 Jun 2017 14:24:09
Touche gazbat.


14.) 14 Jun 2017 14:24:49
I'll give you Rose and possibly Bertrand. Shaw at the moment for me is not as good as Robbo. Davies is capable on his day but nothing special. Tierney doesn't get the nod ahead of Robertson in the Scotland squad so why would you feel he is superior? Gibbs is bombscare so please forget that altogether.

It is all about Opinions but like I said above except Spurs and Chelsea who in the top 6 has got a better left back currently (and don't say Shaw as he isn't currently better)?


15.) 14 Jun 2017 15:12:29
Maze, I hear your opinion, and I have mine, I think Shaw right now is a better player, comfortably better, Tierney has had a somewhat breakout year this year, and will replace him in the Scotland setup very soon imo.

As mentioned just my opnions. If you disagree that is yours, but Manchester United need to be aiming a lot higher than Robertson calibre in y opinion, I would go as so far to say, I would prefer Darmian at left full and not spend the money on Robertson. I would give Shaw / Darmian / Rojo / Blind and Youth a chance before him.


16.) 14 Jun 2017 15:25:51
Just some stats from the web :

Ben Davies
Games 48
Minutes 2603
Goals 3
Assists 3
Average Rating 7.14

Andrew Robertson
Games 45
Minutes 2737
Goals 1
Assists 2
Average Rating 6.67

The stats seem to back up my opnion though.


17.) 14 Jun 2017 15:40:57
To be fair Davies is playing with better players than Robertson. So his stats should be better, even though I hate stats. One of those assists could have hit him on the back of his head accidentally, or he could have put 100 beautiful balls in only for the striker to finish - who gives the rating as well, we can't agree on here what to give our own players out of 10 and what we are basing things on?

Alli, Kane and Eriksen are all a lot more clinical than any of the Hull attackers as well. Their full backs mainly attack, Hull's mainly have to defend. Comparing apples with rotten apples, imo.

But again Davies is in the catchment of starter for mid-table team imo.


18.) 14 Jun 2017 16:02:42
I agree Beast, Mid Table player, not saying we should sign any of the players I listed, just saying I feel the players I listed are better than Robertson, including Ben Davies. So it's not let's sign the best Foreign player, it's let's sign the best player we can for a position.

Just feel the comment from Maze sounded a lot like Wilkinson the other day when he was moaning about United signing Lindelof instead of Keane.

It's not a foriegn vs English or Home Grown.

It's about ability.


19.) 14 Jun 2017 16:29:50
Wilkins apologies, Not Wilkinson.


20.) 15 Jun 2017 01:37:02
Interesting you make that comparison between Wilkins and I Gazpat because I am not English so I have no issue of preference over an English based player and a foreign national.

In the past though even on this forum I have seen players ridiculed who are British but Foreign players get off scot free because they have a fancy name.

As an example a few seasons ago Carrick and Rooney were getting constantly bashed whereas players like Di Maria and Falcao were getting a free ride. In hindsight who do you think was more deserving of the criticism?


21.) 15 Jun 2017 02:51:18
Maze, did Gazpat make that observation about Rooney/ Carrick being to blame over Di Maria/ Falcao? If not, then I'm not sure why he needs to answer your totally hypothetical scenario. I also don't see anything in his original post to suggest he favors foreign named players over homegrown. You seem to have a bee in your bonnet as usual.


22.) 15 Jun 2017 08:19:03
Again, I will reitterate, I don't prefer any one nationality over another (Although I would like to see an Irishman back at the club :-) )

People have favourites and people will moan about players, honestly it's a fans perogative to have a moan, we all pay money to watch and support, we are all entitled to opinions.

I can also distinctly remember Falcao not getting a free ride here, ok he would of gotten away lightly but still had his haters.

Di Maria played for one season, couldn't settle / wouldn't settle.

Personally I have no concern of where a player was born and raised. What I care about is ability.

Personally I would of sold Rooney when he tried to force through a move the first time.

But the manager (s) all know better than me, hence why my career ended at the ripe age of 24 :)


23.) 15 Jun 2017 09:01:05
How did either Falcao or Di Maria get a free ride?

I don't remember Falcao being talked about much here, but I think that's just because we forgot he was playing for us.

As I recall, Di Maria was bashed pretty mercilessly when he wasn't performing, and didn't get the praise he deserved when he played well.

I agree that Rooney always takes a bashing whenever he isn't playing out of his skin, but at the end of the day, a lot of people never forgave him for asking to leave (even though the reasoning he gave might as well have been copy-pasted from these pages at the time) .


24.) 15 Jun 2017 07:38:38
HB please see Gazpats post below:

{Just feel the comment from Maze sounded a lot like Wilkinson the other day when he was moaning about United signing Lindelof instead of Keane.

It's not a foriegn vs English or Home Grown}

So please tell me who is making these "hypothetical scenarios" again?


25.) 15 Jun 2017 09:39:07
Agree with pretty much everything there, I think the pace of the league didn't suit Angel or Falcao.

I was a huge Rooney fan, I thought he could do it all at one point, he has gone down hill rapid over the last few years, a lot of the criticism he receives is over the top, but I think we should have gotten rid of him three years ago personally, when we could of received a decent chunk of cash.

But that's hindsight.

PLayer bashing is one thing and fans having a moan is another, but some players fans just don't like.


26.) 16 Jun 2017 00:33:36
Maze, where this all stemmed from was you mentioning I didn't like Robertson because he didn't have a foreign name.

I then listed a lot of players who I feel are currently playing better / are better imo.

The conversation then seemed to switch to Home Grown vs Foreign, and I simply pointed to your point you made and made a very close comparison to what Ray Wilkins said on TV just this week.

You then said players are getting an easy time beccause they are foreign, which was nothing got to do with what we were talking about.

I can have a conversation / debate over players and ability, we can disagree, but stop making out people are saying things they don't or didn't say to suit your argument it's petty.

Again this was about Robertson, a 23/ 24 year old from Hull who should not be a target for a team wanting to get back to being one of the best teams in Europe, there are a lot of left backs playing in Europe who would be a damn site better than him. That is a fact.


 

 

01 Aug 2016 13:48:13
A friend of mine who is a big Juventus fan has just returned from Italy on a family vacation and was telling me what the locals have to say on the Pogba deal.

This probably won't be news to anyone but according to the guys living in the shadow of The Old Lady Pogba really does not want to come back to Manchester and his agent as well as the club are trying to force the move as much as they can.

Apparently both Juventus and the agent know that Pogba's stock is at an all time high and it will only take one poor season for that figure to plummet hence why they are doing all they can to make a deal happen. Man Utd are the only team willing to meet the terms.

He said if Pogba signs then of course he will come out to the media and say all the right things like 'its great to be back etc' but deep down his heart isn't in it and the player feels he is being backed into a corner which is why the deal is dragging on.

Interesting to hear that Juventus are trying to force the move as all we have read in the paper is that Pogba's 'greedy agent' is trying to make the deal happen.

MAZE

1.) 01 Aug 2016 14:00:19
maze
this won't go down well.


2.) 01 Aug 2016 14:23:12
Isn't Pogba quoted as saying last year that he was in love with Manchester and considered himself a Mancunian, that is why he was devestated when Rafael played instead of him and he decided to move on. Somehow I think he is itching to get back and prove to Fergie just how good he is.


3.) 01 Aug 2016 14:30:26
When I was in Liverpool for Uni I knew everything about Liverpool players' thoughts and wishes. Honest.


4.) 01 Aug 2016 14:39:06
I thought you were in China😀😀😀
I'm not sure that pogba iis such a weak individual that he well be from marched to OR against his will.
Madrid could well be his favoured destination but I know he loved his time at OT and coming here add new face of the ckub will not be a hardship.


5.) 01 Aug 2016 14:50:31
Juventus have to sell to balance the books, especially with the Higuain fee. It doesn't surprise me they would force a move.

{Ed001's Note - no they do not.}


6.) 01 Aug 2016 15:09:24
Pogba merchandise was removed from juve's club online store today.


7.) 01 Aug 2016 15:31:06
People seem to be taking this well.


8.) 01 Aug 2016 15:47:04
dsg
i got in first so everyone would be nice ;)


9.) 01 Aug 2016 15:49:24
😁😂😂 very good dsg.


10.) 01 Aug 2016 16:12:51
This is pretty much in line with what ed002 said. I'm inclined to believe it. Sad if true.


11.) 01 Aug 2016 17:24:40
Frankly I don't care. Listen, no one already at a big club is going to be super excited about moving to rainy Manchester. But pogba will do a job, hopefully make us CL contenders next season, and if in three or four years he's still desperate to move to Madrid or Barcelona then we can recoup much if not all of our cost and move on. If the team reaches its potential with the ridiculous attacking talent we have in store, I think pogba will absolutely love his football, if not the rain.


12.) 01 Aug 2016 18:16:28
Bang on KG.
That view won't go down well with the knockers 😀😀😀.


13.) 01 Aug 2016 18:54:57
Fairly in line with what some of the Eds said. I don't really care to be honest. It's a job at the end of the day, I've been in jobs that weren't my dream jobs, however I was well paid and kept happy, did my job very well. And Pogba has always had good things to say about United. Maybe not his 1st choice but apparently a good professional and will no doubt do the business for us on the pitch. At the end of it all that's all that matters. Don't understand how people have become obsessed with him and if he's worth it, are we his first choice, bla bla bla. World class CM end of.


14.) 01 Aug 2016 18:58:17
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Or in this case a bit creepy.


15.) 01 Aug 2016 19:00:28
Was beautiful in Manchester today, gorgeous August summer day 😂.


16.) 01 Aug 2016 19:09:31
Well said Angel.


17.) 01 Aug 2016 21:17:00
You think Juve would of spent the cash they have without the deal already being done? No way, they've gone out and spent and done the deal so clubs aren't negotiating knowing they've got the tick end of £100m in the bank.


18.) 02 Aug 2016 13:21:43
Assuming you are correct there Maze (not about Pogba, but about the Fans knowing everything), I am just trying to imagine the scene in Turin, as follows-

Pogba inside the stadium with the manager and the owners discussing the future and Pogba says I don't wanna go but the owners are adamant. We want the money Paul and you are free to leave but only to Manchester since they will pay what we want. After a brawl including Mino Raiola, Paul walks out onto the streets of Turin all crying and sobbing. Momma please save me, I don't wanna go. no no please no. I don't wanna go to Manchester. Madrid are my heart and soul and first choice. In the heart I swear.

How on earth would a lay man on the street know what Paul Pogba wants? I don't even know what my wife wants and she lives with me all day long.


19.) 02 Aug 2016 14:15:33
Now who's the liar maze? Lol tell you're friends uncles guide dogs brother, sure obviously Italy knows where Pogbas next destination is, like every Italians a Juve fan that's 'ITK' . I call BS!


20.) 02 Aug 2016 15:42:41
I was over for the villa game and got sun burn😅😅😅, had the flu on the Monday but we won't mind that.


21.) 02 Aug 2016 21:51:21
I don't get how. The player, this day in age holds all the power so if he didn't want the move he'd say no. Juve would rather have him for another season than miss out on how much? £30-40m? Seems strange he'd be forced to go.


22.) 03 Aug 2016 12:23:03
Cr92 how am I a liar?

A work mate goes to Italy as he does most years and chats to a few locals on his travels about his favourite club. I relay the information here and I am a liar?


23.) 04 Aug 2016 23:24:40
Not you Maze . He meant Rollo 😆😆.


 

 

30 Jul 2016 12:11:31
Schweinstiger apparently training on his own. Maybe the end of the road at United for the German?

MAZE

1.) 30 Jul 2016 15:29:44
Perhaps they couldn't find a bib big enough for him?


2.) 30 Jul 2016 16:56:24
I'd be sad to see him go, however, I think that's me thinking about how good a player he used to be and not about what he's done for United. In truth if he leaves it's probably the correct decision because his performances have been below par since joining.


3.) 30 Jul 2016 17:30:27
I'm not bothered if he leaves, as far as I'm concerned we never signed the Schweinsteiger I knew, and rated among the very best. It's sad when a player comes for all the wrong reasons, I read Vieri is making a China come back yesterday, horrible.

I suppose Schweiny won't be too bothered he got to play at the Euros, is adored at Bayern and is probably earning £500 for every stride he makes whilst training by himself.


4.) 30 Jul 2016 21:13:22
Beast you wanted him to be our captain just a month ago.


5.) 31 Jul 2016 00:56:46
I wanted him over Rooney as captain. It's more of an indictment on Rooney.


6.) 31 Jul 2016 01:13:06
Im hoping that at the age of 31 he's not already knacked and jose can get a tune out of him.

A fit and motivated pig commander would be a real asset for us.


7.) 31 Jul 2016 07:19:40
I always thought one day I'd marry Kylie and when I think of her it is in her hey day whereas she has now entered her Schweinsteiger years, not as fit, not as supple, and just doesn't have the same impact nowadays.


8.) 31 Jul 2016 09:03:34
Beast
That sums up the anyone but Rooney attitude very well.


9.) 31 Jul 2016 09:58:04
Ahh
You still would tho.


10.) 31 Jul 2016 10:59:19
Side note schweingsteiger doesn't mean pig commander - its more pig farmer.


11.) 31 Jul 2016 12:03:44
Jred, too right, she's been the object of my affections for years, that's probably why we signed Schweini.


 

 

03 Apr 2016 08:47:03
Speaking to a friend who has had dealings with football clubs in the past through representing his organisation and he filled me in on a few things he has heard regarding United. This guy has previously told me in advance about the Ryan Giggs off field saga well before it hit the papers (his organisation were involved in the litigation process) and the West Ham takeover by Eggert Magnusson in 2006 (his organisations worked on financials) to name a few. His organisation are currently dealing with Red Football (albeit not on anything major at the moment) .

Firstly he claims the Glazers are actively seeking buyers for the club in 2017 but the price will be colossal and they will be stepping up the search in coming months. Apparently he has been told that Joel Glazer in particular has had several meetings over the past few months regarding future ventures post Man Utd and Woodward will in all probability expect to exit the club also should it be sold.

As far as the club is concerned presently the Glazers and Woodward would like LVG to see out his contract until 2017. The reasoning behind this is that if a new buyer takes over the club in 2017 it will allow them to choose the successor to LVG. This would mean the new owner isn't bound by any contractual agreement to the manager in place at the time, meaning they won't have to fork out millions to see the back of that manager should they not feel he is the man they want in charge.

Finally, the claim that Ryan Giggs may be future United manager seems to be also a fabricated story to the media to keep the wolves away from the Glazer's, Woodward's and LVG's door especially when his first season was going pretty poorly (which makes sense as LVG himself fanned these flames many times) . In actual fact the Glazers don't plan to appoint any successor to LVG as the don't plan to be at the club.

The club will be happy to use the influence of SAF and SBC to appease fans (which also makes sense as SAF backed LVG a few days ago and SBC has been an open critic of Mourinho in the past) . Ultimately though it will all come down to the will of the fans wether LVG is in charge or not but as it stands at the moment the club want him to stay and even have involved in pre-season planning etc.

Sorry for the long post and take from this what you will but I thought it was information worth passing on. Also I can't name the organisation my friend works with as I am sure you would understand.

MAZE

1.) 31 Mar 2016 10:39:32
Ed, thanks for the quick reply!

What are your opinion on the players? Do you rate them?

{Ed001's Note - the Ajax lad looks good, but they have a couple of others as well I would look at. Sanches looks a special talent and Dembele I really like the look of. The issue is not how good they are or can become, it is whether United is the right place to develop them. They need the right environment or they will stall, similar to how Stones is stalling at Everton because they have the wrong manager to teach a player how to defend. I am not sure that United is the right place for them. These youngsters need to go somewhere they will play every week to develop them to their fullest.}


2.) 31 Mar 2016 10:47:45
Cheers Ed, Dembele would surely start if we bought him? We don't have a right winger so he would surely get plenty of game time.

Who else do you like at Ajax?

Do you know of any defenders we are after?

It sounds like the club are targeting the right players, going for the long term rather than buying a guy just because he has a name.

{Ed001's Note - but then you have Lingard pushed out in the cold, just as he is beginning to settle into the side. It seems silly to buy another player that needs developing, unless the club decides Lingard is not good enough.

I like Cerny, Milik, maybe Sinkgraven, El Ghazi and Veltman could be good in time too.

You have certainly shown interest in Veltman and Mustafi, but it is difficult to say who you will go after as Laporte's injury has put Man City back in the chase for a centre back. With the pull of Pep, allied to the huge money, it means everyone else is really going to be getting whoever they don't go for.}


3.) 31 Mar 2016 10:54:58
Well Ed001 I would argue against that actually.

Martial came in and has been given a great chance and grabbed it with both arms.

Rashford is doing well after being given a chance. Shaw would most certainly have been a first team regular if not for his injury.

Lingard is getting games too. And previoualy welbeck, cleverley, de gea all were given regular chances at a very young age.

I would think United would be one of the best options for these youngsters and have a very convincing argument of having regualrly bought/ brought through youngsters and given them real chances to bring them in.

These players play as strikers or as box to box midfielders, both positions in which United need players.

{Ed001's Note - my point is you already have the youngsters to develop, you need the experience to surround them now.}


4.) 31 Mar 2016 12:02:21
Rewz you have given a huge spiel on the Banter page in regards to getting behind Depay for the next few seasons but you are saying this 18 year old lad Dembele who I have never heard of will come straight into the side as we don't have a right winger.

So what is it, get behind Depay or get this teenager into replace him?


5.) 31 Mar 2016 12:07:54
Depay is a left winger, he's played their the entirety of his professional career.


6.) 31 Mar 2016 12:14:35
I apologise for my use of their, I'm hanging my head in shame.


7.) 31 Mar 2016 12:22:02
Left/ Right does it matter? If your good enough you can play on both. Martial is making the left his own so where does Depay fit in?


8.) 31 Mar 2016 11:38:21
Milik looks a good player, do you think he's better than Janssen of AZ?

{Ed001's Note - no idea, sorry.}


9.) 31 Mar 2016 12:34:22
Martial's future position will be striker, Depay dropped out the team and Martial stepped in and has done a really great job thus Depay hasn't really got back in.

We play enough players out of position already, we bought Depay because by some distance he was the best left sided prospect. There is a reason Bayern etc wanted him. Give him time and I'm sure he'll grow into the goal scoring left forward we thought we signed.

Dembele is a two footed goal scoring wide forward/ 10 with pace to burn something we lack. We've lacked balance in attack all season and we've certainly lacked pace on the right.


10.) 31 Mar 2016 14:36:17
Reckon we'll only go for one youngster and that will be Renato Sanches.

I would expect us to go towards a 4-3-3 next year and it will be byes byes to Fellaini, Mata, Carrick (hopefully he becomes a player/ coach he seems great with the squad) so we'll be in the market for a midfielder maybe even two. Would love to see us go for Kroos aswell.

Dembele looks to be a star in the making but we need a proven top tier forward to come in. Would only take him if we sent him back to rennes for 2 years.


11.) 31 Mar 2016 15:09:20
Agree with ed its experience we lack. Look at the defence. The most experienced player is mike. In midfield its Carrick an Bastian but their nearer the end than their peak.


12.) 31 Mar 2016 18:37:00
I'm also with you to a large degree ed.
I would like to see zlatan brought in along with a proven right winger mahrez possibly in the attacking areas. They can help develop Rashford depay lingard and martial
But in midfield we have the relative experience of herrera and Morgan and the vaat experience of bastian and only possibly pereira and mensah coming through. I think sanches looks a bit special and is very worthwhile pursuing. But I also think we need some natural defensive energy in midfield and would like kante
In defence we need a ball winning experienced cb that is s talker and leader. However the vidic / terry type cb are in short supply. This will get the best out of smalling. We also need an experienced rb to compete with darmian.
So a mix of experience in key positions like cb rw and striker but if 1 or 2 of Europe's elite youngsters become available and we can get them then we should get them on the condition that room is made for them in the squad by reducing the vat no of experienced fringe players we have at the club that will make little or no contribution.
Valencia young rojo carrick fellaini mata and rooney for me are the players that should leave in the summer to make way for a few new experienced players and some new or coming through young players.
In a 55 game season very few players start more than 35 games nowadays. So there is room for a lot of players to develop but only if the pathway is ruthlessly cleared for them they way it was for the class of 92 and the great Barcelona generation.


13.) 05 Apr 2016 07:23:20
Ken that doesn't make sense! I'd agree with a couple of outgoings but you suggest selling our experienced players so we can buy experienced players? Think a lot of people need to appreciate what likrs of carrick Rooney mata bring to squad / dressing room! We need to learn from past mistakes of selling all our experience!


 

 

28 Nov 2015 13:06:07
Ed002 I have read a report that James Rodriguez's agent has been speculating about his clients future due to his current financial package at Madrid and the fact he feels James is being overlooked due to the 'untouchables' of Bale, Benz and Ronaldo etc always first choice.

Roncero (the AS journalist) goes on to say many great clubs like Man Utd, Juventus, Bayern among others could offer Rodriguez the package he deserves (or his agent thinks he deserves) . Probably a nothing story I know but I thought it was one worth asking when you consider Madrid have let a few big names leave for big money over the past few years such as Ozil, Di Maria, Higuain etc.

Could James be lured away from the Bernabeau and if so would Madrid be willing to listen to offers for him?

Thanks bro.

MAZE

{Ed002's Note - You really need the Real Madrid page for this but there is no plan to sell James Rodrigues in January. There are a four significant things going on in the background that could have an impact on whether or not he would be available in the summer. Right now Mendes is focused on the futures of three other players.}


1.) 28 Nov 2015 14:32:18
This what happens when you buy ego/worlds best players, they always use and play other big sides to try and hold the current clubs to ransom.


2.) 28 Nov 2015 19:21:05
Good job we haven't got any of the worlds best players then!


3.) 01 Dec 2015 12:22:37
Mike Smalling would disagree.

{Ed025's Note - love it harry..


 

 

 

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20 Jun 2017 22:15:42
It seems United's illustrious leader is the latest footballing figure to be named as part of an elaborate tax evasion scheme. I for one am glad that the Spanish Prosecutor is now taking a hardline stance against these individuals because this is starting to really become a complete and utter farce.

It is downright crookery and it will not end until someone at the peak of their powers is put behind bars be that a Mourinho, Ronaldo, Messi, Di Maria or a Mendes. These hidden offshore accounts for trafficking money in sport is no different to capital embezzlement.

We all pay tax, no one wants to be it but it is necessary. At the end of the day these already insanely rich individuals are stealing from our schools, hospitals and national security etc. A great man once said as part of society we are all entitled to life, liberty and property - maybe this should be taken away from these thieving criminals to teach them a lesson.

MAZE

{Ed007's Note - They're all at it mate, Google "footballers film tax loophole".}


1.) 20 Jun 2017 22:46:18
So you don't do anything tax efficient? Do you have an ISA for example?

These guys will have paid more Illinois in tax, yet aren't contributing?

{Ed007's Note - Man utd tax


2.) 20 Jun 2017 23:56:44
Very interesting Ed. It is an absolute disgrace. The sooner the UK Govt get tough on this sort of thing the better in my opinion.

{Ed007's Note - It's rife in football - look at the mess Rangers ended up in - but I totally agree with you that people should pay their dues, they're too busy chasing the wee gadge down the street for out cutting folks grass while the rich siphon off millions.}


3.) 21 Jun 2017 00:19:07
Fresh please tell me you are not comparing an ISA to high end criminal fraud? If so it just shows a lack of understanding and narrow-mindedness.

It is irrelevant how many millions these individuals have contributed in the past. The fact is they have a duty to be adherent to the specific tax bracket that they fall under whilst residing in that country.

It doesn't matter if you earn 500gbp or 5000gpb per week you are still obliged to pay your share of tax in relation to the law. What if we all on here decided we have paid enough tax in the past so we will just pay half the amount and bank the rest into a shady account. Do you think we would get prosecuted and most probably imprisoned in the future? The answer in case you were wondering is indeed yes.


4.) 21 Jun 2017 07:17:07
Come on Fresh, why is it that those who have way more than others seek to avoid paying their tax? It's pathetic. They have more money than they will ever be able to spend yet they want to avoid their repsonsibilities, it's immoral.

Propel hate paying tax but it's necessary, for most of us it is a pain as we have mortgages, cars, bills to worry about. When do any of these footballers (or pop stars, or film stars) have to worry about a bill? They need to get a grip and pay their tax.


5.) 21 Jun 2017 07:36:03
Agree with maze and ajh. However, their tax advisers are legally exploiting loopholes in the tax systems. So in effect, they're not doing anything wrong. However, it is immoral not to pay your dues in life.
If you earn it then pay the tax and get on with it.


6.) 21 Jun 2017 07:56:22
Schmid if they are exploiting the Govt then fine, that country should wear it but I believe their is plenty of shady stuff going on in the background hence why the Spanish prosecutor is getting real tough on these criminals.

I do not buy this 'I didn't know I just play football (Messi 2016)' because when you have all the money in the world and something sounds too good to be true then go pay for another opinion from a more ethical establishment.


7.) 21 Jun 2017 09:24:00
Why do you believe there is plenty of shady stuff going on in the background? You have as much idea about what is going on than the rest of us.

IF people are doing something dodgy then they should be taken to task for it and they are being at the moment, but I imagine most of them are advised a certain way to find legal loopholes, I guess it is just a question of ethics, in my opinion if what they are doing in legal they have nothing to answer.

I think the comparison to an ISA does stand if what they are doing is legal, if not then obviously it doesn't and as I said, we have no idea so I wouldn't judge, I know others will judge without all of the facts and that is their perogative.


8.) 21 Jun 2017 09:45:33
GDS, all of us can go get an ISA if we want to, not sure how many of us can route our earnings through shell companies in the Virgin Islands. My point isn't really about Jose, it's about the super rich who just want to be richer, they have strange values that are alien to me.


9.) 21 Jun 2017 09:53:26
GDS if there is no shady dealings going on then why has the Spanish prosecutor named Jose for alleged tax fraud? Do you think it is because they want their name in the British media? Maybe that's why Ronaldo, Messi, Di Maria and Falcao are under investigation also.

GDS2 if what they are doing is technically legal they would not be named in the media by the prosecutor. If the there was no case to be answered this would all be done behind closed doors.

How can you compare a capped savings account to tax evasion and corruption? Unfathomable.


10.) 21 Jun 2017 10:22:47
Isnt Jose (and the rest) being questioned over tax avoison, not evasion?

The difference being one is legal (but immoral) and the other illegal.

We have had numerous celebs strewn all over the papers for tax 'avoision' but as they broke no laws they haven't been punished.

So yes, i imagine Jose and the rest can all appear in the papers for this even if it turns out that no law has been broken.


11.) 21 Jun 2017 10:29:06
The fact these players are being prosecuted may point to the fact that there are shady dealings going on .


12.) 21 Jun 2017 10:35:12
He is being accused of failing to declare income. Which is fraudulent. Not immoral - fraudulent.


13.) 21 Jun 2017 10:37:54
Jred - It is nothing to do with illegality but just a media circus - it is mere means for entertainment for GDS and Co. That is why Messi was dragged through the courts and given a sentence. It was all for a laugh.


14.) 21 Jun 2017 00:33:18
Ed I cannot agree more. The thing that gets me is just because of who these individuals are they are being treated differently to others in society. The chief policeman who dropped charges against Alonso in his tax case is now being investigated for being far too lenient on him. Do you think the y would be lenient on you or me?

Everyone of us know of family and friends who rely on the NHS or public schooling. It is bad enough we have to fight the government not to cut funding never mind chasing upper tier rich folk to pay their way.

Then again when the people of Shettleston are voting Tory it is really difficult to make sense of anything that goes on in the world anymore.


15.) 21 Jun 2017 10:42:17
What players, companies and other wealthy individuals are doing re-tax is completely different than something like an ISA.

The government created and promoted ISA's as a means to facilitate moderate tax free savings. In other words, the government intended these savings to be exempt from taxation.

What rich people are doing, in cases like Ronaldo, is tax evasion and tax avoidance. This entails paying accountants to find legal loopholes (avoidance) and illegal schemes (evasion) to shield monies the government intended to be subject to taxation from taxation.

See the difference?

ISA - government creates a scheme to encourage ordinary people to save modestly.

Avoidance and Evasion - the richest people pay accounts to find legal and illegal ways to reduce their tax burden - i. e. very rich people and businesses use their wealth to avoid contributing to society.


16.) 21 Jun 2017 10:55:50
Sadly this is the capitalist world we all live in, something's needs to be done as everyone who complies pays for it otherwise. I wonder why there isn't enough public money to pay for public services etc when the richest often don't pay their dues!? The truth is this goes on at much higher levels, involving billions rather than millions of pounds - sadly those involved at that level will never face a witch hunt as these footballers face as they move in very influential circles. Maybe that's why the likes of Ronaldo get so mad, because they know full well the extent is well beyond what they have been caught out doing.


17.) 21 Jun 2017 11:10:13
I agree with what everybody is saying obviously, MAZE you are a condescending ****er at times but I know that so I have learnt to ignore it but hard to have a discussion on here sometimes without being made to sound stupid or talked down to, I've no idea what you are on about it being a means of entertainment.

As far as I can tell only Messi out of the ones named has been found guilty of anything, being charged doesn't mean you guilty of anything, innocent until proven guilty in this country as far as I am aware. If found guilty then thrown the book at them, but other than Messi we have no idea what's gone on with others or if it is legal or illegal that was my point. They can be named in the press either way as we have found in many cases recently.

At least it appears we both voted the same way in the election MAZE, maybe we would get on with things non football related.


18.) 21 Jun 2017 11:14:07
Lads the tax thing should start at the top. the royal family the richest in Britain don't pay taxes and they are worth trillions. the European parliament spend 50 mil. A day on expenses, private jets, champagne, etc.
Peoples tax money.
So for them reasons fair play to any man that can avoid paying a tax.


19.) 21 Jun 2017 11:17:19
Maze voted for mr fish finger.


20.) 21 Jun 2017 11:30:03
GDS there is no need to get your knickers in a twist. Your comment about an ISA and grade A fraud being similar was ridiculous hence my reply.

To say you believe there is nothing untoward to these tax evasion schemes just ludicrous.

I am glad you also voted SNP in the election. Warms my heart.


21.) 21 Jun 2017 12:13:05
Jose Stement denying that he has been contacted by any tax authority reference pending on intended prosecution.

And to confirm this a statement from the tx office "attested that he. was in compliance with all tax obligations" and Mourinho "did not declare income from use of his image rights in order to gain an illicit benefit”.

To little old me MAZE that says there is no issue with Jose and his tax contributions.

{Ed007's Note - I think you've misunderstood that mate, it's saying he didn't declare income from his image rights and that allowed him to gain an an illicit benefit - that's the accusation not an admonishment.}


22.) 21 Jun 2017 12:21:29
Evenzidaneratesscholes - you have just pretty much justified what I have said. So are you saying you agree with me now?


23.) 21 Jun 2017 12:28:04
agree with you MAZE - NEVER :-)


24.) 21 Jun 2017 12:27:18
Sorry Bond, i have misread it completely - my bad.

I read it as they haven't been in contact wit him recently. And Dan Roan (BBC guy - don't know how reliable he is) has shown this on twitter.

{Ed007's Note - Good job I'm here to keep you right then isn't it? :-D


25.) 21 Jun 2017 12:42:50
All hail MAZE -no thanks -he knows nothing about nothing ( better said in a West Country accent) 😆😆.


26.) 21 Jun 2017 12:47:22
Its a task that most have tried and most have failed :-)


27.) 21 Jun 2017 12:49:44
MAZE,

Show me where I said I believe there is nothing untoward and I will agree that I was ridiculous. For somebody who gets annoyed at people misquoting him all the time you do it an awful lot to other people.

My knickers aren't in a twist, read your messages back, they are massively condescending as per usual.


28.) 21 Jun 2017 15:04:39
Can we please keep political opinion off this site.


29.) 21 Jun 2017 15:11:06
There is a fine line between tax avoidance which is legal and evasion which is not. Every person has the right to legally reduce the amount of tax they have to pay. Being a top sportsman or top manager does not make such people tax experts. They rely on highly paid accountants and tax advisors.

My guess is that these advisors tell their clients that the schemes they use are legitimate. Richer people have a moral responsibility to help others in society who are less fortunate but I hate the politics of envy.


30.) 21 Jun 2017 15:12:43
For businesses like with with food hygiene ratings maybe there could be a government tax rating which could be mandatory to be displayed in shop windows and on their websites. If on a high street you knew dominos was not paying as much tax as the government thinks it should but pizza hut was some might choose to go their instead i know i would.

Maybe for footballers etc who use loopholes at the end of each tax year a couple page spread of the worst offenders might guilt trip some. Im sure the daily mail and sun would be all over it.


31.) 21 Jun 2017 17:23:26
If legal loopholes exist they should be and will be taken advantage of. Its up to the authorities to close these loopholes. Any body no matter what they earn should have a view to meeting their taxation requirements in full but they should be looking at every possible opportunity to legally minimise their debt burdon. Imo.
However if anybody steps over the line and uses means that are not legal then they should be punished.
There in my opinion is no moral obligation to pay more tax than you should pay after exhausting all legal opportunities to lesson the burdon no matter what you earn.


 

 

19 Jun 2017 22:18:43
I have had chance to look at the new ideas about reforming the game that has been put forward - In my view football should ditch the game of two halves altogether.

I would like to see the game be made up of four 20 minute quarters with a 5 minute break after 1/ 4 time, 15 minute break at half time and 5 minute break at 3/ 4 time. For the 5 minute breaks the players do not have to go down the tunnel just regroup with the coaching staff on the bench.

This would allow the coaching staff to address issues face to face three times per match rather than once at half time (it is their job on the line at the end of the day shouldn't they have more input? ) . For clubs playing in warmer climates it is a chance to refresh and for the fans it means there is a break in play if your team is playing 45 minutes of LVG football and you are losing interest in the game.

In addition stop the clock when the ball goes out be that a throw in, free kick or even injury and that way the ref doesn't have to add his version of additional minutes on at the end. In the last quarter when a player looks up and see's there is only 1 minute to go then he knows he has to go for broke as he only has that one minute nothing else.

MAZE

1.) 19 Jun 2017 22:45:30
Any other ways you could make the sport more American?


2.) 19 Jun 2017 22:52:29
Death, taxes and disagreeing with MAZE. the only certainties in my life. haha.


3.) 20 Jun 2017 09:54:41
Just when I thought I'd missed Mazes posts during his hiatus, he goes and posts this!


4.) 20 Jun 2017 10:07:26
Can't wait until the season starts and we start winning!


5.) 20 Jun 2017 11:10:37
I really hope and think MAZE is winding us up!


6.) 20 Jun 2017 11:34:27
Tell me one bad thing about this post?


7.) 20 Jun 2017 12:32:51
All of it.


8.) 20 Jun 2017 13:52:20
Why change a game we all know and love. We've all grown up with football played in two 45 minute halves.
If you want the stop/ start bollocks, watch American football.


9.) 20 Jun 2017 13:42:27
I suspect that this whole thing about changing the time to 30 minute per half with the clock stopping for injuries and other stoppages is somehow being used as a back door attempt to gradually move towards advertising during the halves. If that's the case, I'm against it.


 

 

19 Jun 2017 22:18:43
I have had chance to look at the new ideas about reforming the game that has been put forward - In my view football should ditch the game of two halves altogether.

I would like to see the game be made up of four 20 minute quarters with a 5 minute break after 1/4 time, 15 minute break at half time and 5 minute break at 3/4 time. For the 5 minute breaks the players do not have to go down the tunnel just regroup with the coaching staff on the bench.

This would allow the coaching staff to address issues face to face three times per match rather than once at half time (it is their job on the line at the end of the day shouldn't they have more input? ) . For clubs playing in warmer climates it is a chance to refresh and for the fans it means there is a break in play if your team is playing 45 minutes of LVG football and you are losing interest in the game.

In addition stop the clock when the ball goes out be that a throw in, free kick or even injury and that way the ref doesn't have to add his version of additional minutes on at the end. In the last quarter when a player looks up and see's there is only 1 minute to go then he knows he has to go for broke as he only has that one minute nothing else.

MAZE

 

 

18 Jun 2017 09:33:44
Ed001 we have spoken before about the financial insanity that is the transfer market and how certain aspects especially inflation has pushed prices of acquiring players.

Rinaldo', Bales's, Pogba's and Suarez's aside what is your take on the fee being reported for a player like Morata who is essentially a sub and is not exactly a household name?

MAZE

{Ed001's Note - just the way it is. I think it is time football took its lead from American sports and became more transparent. That is more important than how much is spent, is knowing how it is spent.}


1.) 18 Jun 2017 10:42:02
Ed I would champion that very much. Transparency is key element that should be addressed but in all honesty with some of the shady gentlemen you hear about with links to clubs I doubt that will happen anytime soon.

{Ed001's Note - there are lots of shady characters in US sports, but they have to be transparent too.}


2.) 18 Jun 2017 11:50:57
Ed001 and maze.
I agree that transparency in all transfer dealings should be a minimum requirement.
There are a lot of things soccer could learn groom other sports governing bodies there is no doubt about that.

{Ed001's Note - personally I think, and this goes for every sport, there should always be a team tasked with just looking at other sports and learning lessons from what they do better.}


3.) 18 Jun 2017 12:18:29
Totally agree ed.


4.) 18 Jun 2017 15:26:05
Ed and maze very good thread something needs to happen soon it's beyond the joke there is talk of lukaku going for a hundred mil plus! A French child who's transfer fee is going to be comparative with the gdp of small nations it's crazy.
And I don't blame the players or the agents we all strive of do better financially it's down to the powers that be to put a stop to it.


5.) 18 Jun 2017 22:40:45
Its literally the second coming of Christ! I would have him back in a heart beat he's my favorite player of all tine. We may never see another in our generation and for me the Pele of our time.

Come on though is nobody even a little excited? Jose did say 4 signings and maybe a surprise.


 

 

15 Jun 2017 22:12:23
Evening all. I have just read a fantastic article regarding the complexities of the current transfer market and the current climate. The article suggest that there are many significant hidden costs and that reported media fees are a total sham in order to engage with the fans.

First off the example was made if United spend a ‘reported’ $50m on a player the true cost is really much higher yet the selling club will not see anywhere near the entirety of that amount. Therefore if the same player doesn’t settle and is sold for a reported $45m the following year the true difference will not be anywhere near $5m as naive fans would proclaim.

When adding a player to the balance sheet of course his fee is a depreciating asset over the period of his contract (5 year deal, $10m p/ a) but when you add in increased liability and expenses such as wages, insurance etc this ‘fee’ increased astronomically.

It also talks about the agents in the game leeching off someone elses ability and how third party ownership is crippling the market. Apparently it has got to the stage some agents have more ‘clout’ than internal staff at certain clubs. As a selling club the player may also be contractual obliged to get a cut of the fee hence why fee’s are inflated to accommodate such clauses often facilitated by the agent.

So essentially if you see a deal for a token Morata or Belotti cross the line for a reported ‘$70m’ that figure will likely be increasingly higher and if the club ‘cut their losses’ the loss will be staggering compared to what is reported.

MAZE

{Ed002's Note - As I have said repeatedly, football fans need to forget the money as it simply confuses them.}


1.) 16 Jun 2017 03:21:32
Ed I agree completely. It is staggering.


2.) 16 Jun 2017 07:03:29
Are you saying maze/ JMB/ Rollo/ etc is confused ed?


3.) 16 Jun 2017 07:30:06
Is it just football transfer money we should not try to learn about or does that extend to anything difficult in life? My nephew is confused by maths at school. Will I tell him just to forget about it?

{Ed002's Note - Seebd him by, let me tell him about girls.}


4.) 16 Jun 2017 08:32:05
The one that gets me is 'player A sold for a certain amount so player B must be worth just as much if not more' without consideration of the possible difference in wages which is part of the overall financial package a buying club must budget for.


 

 

 

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23 Jun 2017 12:07:51
XFiles Marqinhos may be lined up to play on the wing. The fans apparently do not see the need for a winger so a defender who can be shifted to the wing may be the way to go.

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19 Jun 2017 13:04:11
What has this got to do with januzaj?

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19 Jun 2017 12:13:47
Do you really think the biggest club in the world will be bent over a barrel? What happens when next season superstar has tax issues should they pay that also? Heck maybe they should just fix up Messi's tax bill too to keep the league attractive.

Get real. If Ronaldo has tax problems it is his problem nothing to do with Madrid. If he wants to throw his panties out his pram then RM will most certainly flick him the bird and send him on his way.

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19 Jun 2017 10:03:29
Why the hell would RM pay his tax bill? They already pay his wages. If he doesn't pay his taxes it has nothing to do with RM.

Those who think RM will simply pay his taxes are living on another planet.

MAZE

 

 

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18 Jun 2017 12:03:50
Madrid will not pay his tax bill. He may stay but the club will not pay for his mistakes if he is found guilty.

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23 Jun 2017 13:50:22
Angel if you agree then why have you posted disputing what I said on the other thread? It is just trolling.

And of course you agree it is a glaring area of weakness in the team. Perisic may be the answer he may not be but we damn well need a winger like Perisic before a forward like Morata in my opinion.

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23 Jun 2017 13:18:21
Supa who is telling folk what to think? Not me. As you can well and truly see everyone has opinions. What question do you want me to answer? If you want to ask a question then ask it rather than trolling.

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23 Jun 2017 13:16:42
I am talking about a player with pace, someone who can excite the fans, beat players and provide that something special hence why I mentioned Mane. It is very difficult to see how anyone, United fan or not, can dispute that fact.

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23 Jun 2017 12:21:26
Who is starting an argument Dave? You look would find an argument in an empty box of chicken nuggets.

Dave my point was which of our wingers strike the fear into defenders and have the pace of a Mane or a Hazard or a Sanchez? None.

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23 Jun 2017 12:05:22
Huggy the posters on here have spoken United do not need a fast place winger. They already have Lingard and Valencia. When called upon they also have Bailly who is very quick. Please get that idea of a really quick winger out your head mate, thanks.

MAZE