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05 Sep 2014 22:32:57
Reports all over the place that Strootman has sacked his agent & appointed the same agent Van Gaal & RVP use. Just passing on what I read.
06 Aug 2014 19:22:32
I posted 3 weeks ago that the deal for Vidal was 95% done. I was given this info from a very close friend who is married to an Italian who is involved in Juves finances. He also said that the deal would have to be completed by August 5th. Its now apparent as to why, as Juve play tonight in Indonesia. He has told me that Juventus will only sell if (a) Vidal asks for a move & (b) United pay the asking price which is about 10million euros short of Juves valuation. Juventus know that a sale is necessary as they are struggling for money. They were hoping to sell Pogba to PSG or Chelsea for around 60 million but that never happened as they signed David Louis & Fabregas for considerably less. Vidal is the talisman/ iconic figure at the club & they want to squeeze every last penny they can for him which is understandable, but United are playing hardball & are looking at cheaper alternatives until they can get LVGs favourite (Strootman) in January. The deal is not dead but, somebody has to give a little ground. As I said in my last post this is what I have been told & is not my opinion, I would pay whatever it takes to sign him & get rid of Anderson, Wiggy etc to pay his wages.
1.) How exactly would somebody at Juventus know what our plans were re; Strootman?
2.) It is common knowledge that LVG planned to build his Holland team around Strootman. It is also common knowledge that he would like him at United, even Roma know this, that's why they placed a ludicrous 100million price tag on him. Both coming back from serious injuries & IMO Strootmans injury was far worse, that's why we will probably not get him in this transfer window, we will watch him on his recovery & if all goes well will try & get him in January. I personally think that with us having such a good pre season LVG will try & get bye with a cheaper version of Vidal until he can get the player he really wants in January. If we would have lost most of the pre season games he would have had to acted quicker.
3.) Anyone else think these rumours of De Jong and Strootman could be to try and get Juve to sell at a lower price?
With Juve spending on transfers and wanting to recoup the money, maybe Woodward is playing a waiting game for them to accept the deal.
4.) Just another excuse for the glazers to say no value in the market we need to pay what it takes if we really want a player . Someone else will eventually .
5.) Would make sense, we always pay top dollar for players, yet sell our own on the cheap ( except for Ronaldo ).
6.) There's a little rumour going about that were going to bid for de jong, this makes sense if the rumours are true about LVG wanting Strootman in Jan. Both the same sort of player, de jong won't get another chance from a big club. Strootman more than likely not ready till Jan, like for like player to swap around. LVG is put off by the price or fitness ref Vidal, so we maybe get de jong. Then move on to sorting the defence out with vermaelen and hopefully Hummels. That would be a decent transfer window if you ask me, maybe get Cuardo from Fiorentina and were defo looking at a top 4 finish. Hope Ed publishes this, long post I know. Keep up the good banter work.
Stu.
21 Jul 2014 22:47:18
Have got to pass this on, the best man at my wedding (1985 ) has a sister who married an Italian business man years ago. Turns out he has been working for the people who arrange Juventus financial deals. He has told my best mans sister that the deal for Vidal is 95% done & will have to be completed by August 5th( don't know why ) He said the fee is approx 45million euros which is about £34million. They have tried to get other clubs involved in an auction but city, PSG, Barca, Monaco, Madrid have all got to watch for financial fair play. My best man, his sister & all the family are massive Reds so have no reason to lie. Don't shoot the messenger but this is what I was told tonight, Christ I hope he is right.
{Ed007's Note - Now that's a good old-fashioned rumour!}
1.) Wow. Just wow! This is so totally believable. /s
2.) Im hoping your on the ball with this midelton red. If we get vidal then we will have an awesome midfield that has not been in place since Keane & Scholes.
The major benefit of having a powerful midfield will be that the defence inc DDG will have time on the ball. and we will gain lots of confidence
3.) If it happens and a few more deals get tied there is that aura of confidence before the season has began, good times ahead I feel, obviously liverpool, chelsea and city have all strenthened, I'm hoping liverpool do a spurs like last season, but the same could be said about us, takes time to gel, time will tell. having Brand new defence will take tilme for DDG to bond with aswell
4.) Yes a proper rumour and not just someone repeating twitter, I like this rumour middleton!! its on like donkey kong
5.) Now we're talking! Real rumours are back, thank you Middleton Red, best rumour of the window so far.
6.) Excited about this one.
7.) . all sounds very plausible until u mention Barcelona, why would they be worried about financial fair play, 2nd biggest turnover in the world last season, why would spending 46 million euro's on a player worry them. nice story, but 2 b a good liar your facts have 2 b believable. rumbled. Tonguer10
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13 Aug 2015 22:06:34
Anybody know why LVG insists on playing players out of position.Valencia right back, Young left back, Rooney midfield, Mata winger, Depay central, etc. Then wondering why we are not playing to our potential, c'mon LVG square pegs in round holes don't work. Play players in their natural position & the performances will surely improve.
1.) 13 Aug 2015 22:46:04
schweinsteiger was a winger before van gaal put him in cm and then a world class cm was born!
2.) 13 Aug 2015 22:58:18
Seems so simple doesn't it
3.) 13 Aug 2015 23:38:19
Well Young hasn't played LB much at all, mainly LWB in a 3-5-2 or as a LM. Valencia was deployed at RB mainly because LVG didn't trust Rafael and to be fair to Toni he has performed fairly well for a winger. Rooney played in midfield to accommodate RVP and Falcao, because we didn't have many midfielders at the time. Finally he has already said Depay will be in the hole because Young is performing well and Mata has been effective on the RW and LVG obviously doesn't thing Mata is what he needs in the center.
We are talking about a man who has one of the most successful careers and has taken massive decisions to put us back to where we belong.
In 3-4 years time we could be looking back at this and thinking "thank got Van Gaal did that or changed so and so's position"
Just chill out.
08 Aug 2015 11:35:32
Not posted for a while as my laptop is knackered, got anew one now so here goes. This has probably been answered before, but as i said its been 4 weeks without a laptop so would take forever to find answers. What happened to the supposed Otamandi transfer?. It was supposed to be nailed on, he wanted to come & Rojo even tweeted to say hurry up & sign, he was just what we needed because of his experience & aggressive no nonsense style, would also have been the older head for the likes of Smalling/ Jones/Rojo to learn from. IMO Ramos & Hummels were both never going to come, they were just after new deals. Bit dissapointed that we haven't got our CB positions sorted & we kick off the new sesson in a couple of hours. Anyway good luck to the team this afternoon & hopefully we get off to a flyer.
09 Feb 2015 21:28:48
Reading some of these posts & it seems some people are not happy with LVG. For what its worth here is my view on his short time here. First off he had a very short time to work with the squad before the season as Holland reached the world cup semis, think he got just under 3 weeks. Secondly he inherited a team short on confididence & missing 3 of the previous seasons back 4. Thirdly he inherited a squad with far to many past it or just not up to it players. He replaced Evra with Shaw who hopefully we will get 10 plus years out of. He has managed to get rid of Cleverley, Anderson & even though he tried, Fletcher. To replace these he has brought in Herrera & Blind who everyone must agree are better. Giggs was a legend who had to be replaced & few could argue that Di Marias early season form was brilliant, but has dropped off drasticly since his injury. Rojo is playing well at CH but alongside Smalling, Evans & Jones he is trying to cover up for their shortcomings. Even LVG knows this which is why he is trying young kids like Blackett & McNair. I honestly believe that this summer a qualiy CH, CM & maybe RB will be signed. Add this to a full pre season & watch us go next year.
1.) I agree but LvG is making a massive mistake every single game by playing rooney in midfield he is awful there either play him up front or don't play him
2.) Middleton Red valid points for sure but let's be fair Giggs knew how dire the 3 stooges are in defence, so they should have got 2 CBs.
Did LvG buy Shaw and Herrera I personally think he was told they are in, hence never playing Herrera, and giving Shaw a hard time over fitness, double training sessions decimated our squad with injuries.
Now there are signs he is slowly changing a lot of the things that are wrong, 3-5-2 may be gone for good although likely to be back for Burnley due to Shaws ban. Falcao is likely finished now and doubt he'll start against Burnley also someone he didn't want yet will continue to play RVP who has been poor
3.) 09 Feb 2015 23:15:31
Middleton, you say he had to get rid of 3 of our 4 defenders, and also say he had to clear out players who were past it.
A lot of people on here thought they were the same thing last season.
4.) Pardoe
Interesting you said Giggs knew how poor the three stooges, as you described them, were. Giggs went from playing alongside them as a team mate to being assistant manager, wrongly in my opinion so I would question his objectivity. It is very difficult to go from team member to being in management of the same team. I surmised earlier in the season that given the short time due to his world cup exploits that LvG would have asked Giggs opinion on the defenders and if he said they were poor LvG had to go into the market quickly. LvG didn't buy that top CB so I would surmise the opposite to you in that Giggs told him they had potential. Watching the games does LvG ever speak to Giggs? Whenever the camera is on the bench he speaks to the guy on the other side but I can't remember seeing him speak to Giggs. You could surmise that LvG is not impressed with Giggs or maybe Giggs with him but I wouldn't surmise that LvG ignored Giggs saying they were poor.
5.) 10 Feb 2015 10:23:02
Red Man,
I was wondering if anybody else had noticed that or if it was just me, I cannot remember ever seeing Giggs talk on the bench, when the camera goes on to them Giggs is sat chewing gum and not saying a word and LVG is talking to the guy on his left.
It makes me think either Giggs has nothing to say, or he knows LVG won't listen anyway. A good assistant manager needs to not be afraid to question the manager and fire ideas off him, that was the problem with Mike Phelan towards the end of Fergie's reign, he was just a yes man, I would hate to think Giggs is the same, I never thought he would be.
6.) 11 Feb 2015 15:38:44
Red Man, I've mentioned it before - I wouldn't be surprised if Giggs has been directed by LVG not to go to the touchline. The guy's ego wouldn't allow someone else to be seen in the limelight - if he doesn't move, no-one moves.
20 Jan 2015 20:29:09
Not posted for a while but still read the banter every day. I have noticed LVG getting a lot of stick on here recently, and imo a lot of it is uncalled for. First off a lot are saying we are playing boring football, which in quite a few games has been true, but that is surely down to having a weak defence & having to shore it up by playing with 5 at the back, which is half the team. Add to this to playing a very inexperienced CH combination with Blackett & McNair used regular because of Jones, Evans & Smallings constant cock ups & injuries. Rojo looks decent but is still finding his feet. Then we have played midfielders as CH ( Carrick, Blind, Fellaini etc ). I honestly believe with a settled back 4 ( not 5 ) we will see the confidence come back into the whole team. Unbelievably we have actually got a better defensive record than city, so while they score plenty they leave the back four open, we tried this at Leicester & played great for an hour then conceeded 5. Di Maria is just back from injury & will get better, Falcao is getting better & just needs game time before the goals start to fly in. I honestly believe LVG will get it right but is being massively hampered by our ridiculous injury list. Sorry if this is a bit long winded.
1.) Middleton, good to see you back.
The 3 at the back is hacking me off but if he played Carrick as 1 of the 3 I think it would change the whole dynamic and stop the endless sideways passing.
The Leicester game was a freak game, we need to forget it and move on. The sooner we move to 4 at the back (or play Carrick in a 3) the better. LVG needs to grow a pair, we have fantastic attacking talent, let's free it up and go for it.
2.) Thanks AJH, stayed away from posting for a while as i got a bit of abuse last time i posted. I only posted that a friend in Italy said we would sign Vidal if we met Juves valuation & he asked to move. Neither happened so he stayed put. Still think we need a top notch CH and a real dominant CM, we hve plenty of potential flair with Rooney, Di Maria, Mata, Falcao, RVP etc. Just think we need a Hummels/Benatia type of CH to help the likes of McNair gain in confidence. Same in midfield we need a Keane/Toure to boss the game & let the flair players get further upfield & not be worried about covering for our lucklustre midfielders. At least LVG seems to recognise that the likes of Cleverley, Nani, Anderson & sad to say Fletcher are not up to scratch.
3.) Spot on. Our spine is weak, no dominant centre half and no dominant CM. If we fix those 2 the we are up.and running
{Ed004's Note - Hopefully Pogba and Godin}
4.) . and ignore the abuse, at least you are generating debate
5.) 20 Jan 2015 22:47:26
I would love Godin ed04, how that bloke didn't get in the team of year ahead of luiz is criminal.
He was really good last season next to Miranda, still only about 27/8 to I think.
6.) I don't think you can blame the poor quality of football (which has been evident in near enough every minute of every game we've played this season rather than 'quite a few', as you say) on our 'weak defense'.
LVG had plenty of money to spend in the summer and yet opted against signing a top CB. He still dropped £45m on defenders, mind, which is more than most clubs spend on their entire back five (Azpilicueta, Terry, Cahill, Ivanovic and Courtois cost Chelski a grand total of £32m, for example).
It's hard to guage the quality of the players signed instead because they're either injured all of the time (Shaw, Rojo, Blind, Di Maria) or LVG seems intent on not playing/annoying them (Falcao and Herrera). The injuries seem to be coming as a result of LVG over-training the players (I notice Luke Shaw was missing again last weekend which seemed to go under the radar). Some of the injuries couldn't have been avoided - but I suspect the majority could.
There's bad luck and then there's bad management. Players getting injured in training every other week makes it very difficult for them to find any kind of form and until the injuries stop and we're able to field the same eleven each week I don't see performances improving.
Many thought that we'd switch back to a back four once all of our defenders came back to fitness; but despite implying that five at the back was a means to cover for the injuries - LVG still seems set on a back five. To me that suggests that either LVG favours dull, boring football with long balls over the top or that he doesn't feel he has the players to play four at the back (see paragraph 2).
A little further down the page somebody made a great point about how LVG will be judged at the end of the season. I expect we'll scrape top four and most will see that as a big success on LVG's part. I, on the other hand, will be calling for his head if we're still playing the same lifeless, boring and trite brand of football that LVG seems intent on imprinting onto the club and players.
LVG is very much a 'my way or the highway' type manager. As it stands, the highway looks a hell of a lot more lively than the banal excuse for football that we're forced to watch on a weekly basis!
05 Sep 2014 16:03:27
Just a quick post regarding our transfers. First up I have to hold my hands up & say well done Ed Woodward. Falcao ( nobody saw that one coming), Angel Di Maria = quality player, Blind is a very good utility player, Rojo I don't know much about, but do know that Argie defenders are reliable & hard as nails. Herrera = quality player, Shaw we could get 15 years from. I really doubted our ability to sign top notch players without Champs League football, but well done Ed. The likes of Ronaldo are now saying the would like to come back to United, great players attract great players, bring on the rest of the season, can't WAIT!!!.
1.) Top wages attract top players I think that's the case
2.) I maintained that no CL will have no impact on our transfers long time ago. It is a fashionable terms used by some players to get a move from smaller clubs to bigger clubs for better pay and better club.
In our case if we are willing to pay the wages and fees we can get anyone.
3.) Its true, I think tho after this massive outlay and maybe another window or 2 of large spending we will then see players wanting to join and they will be considerably cheaper, this happened at barca, bayern and real
4.) Any club who are willing to pay high wages will get the players, do not try and fool yourselves that falcao and di maria simply signed because it was mufc, it has been well covered that the two of them were flirting around other clubs .
5.) Not any club, top tier club and right wages with realistic chance of winning trophies in elite competitions.
6.) Its simple facts yous have been held over a barrell with your transfers, your club had to be seen making an effort, can't remember hearing to many of your supporters crying out for a striker over the summer now falcao has come in all is good, papering over the cracks springs to mind?
7.) 06 Sep 2014 00:46:20
Oh Belfast,
Grow up you bitter bitter man.
8.) Belfastchelsea
We hav'nt papered over the cracks, we smashed the wall down and started again, big difference.
9.) Belfastchelsea
Your club only has 10 years worth of history, and you can't even remember any of it. Being held over a barrel is Chelsea's thing.
10.) Perhaps we should have gone for bargains, Chelsea, like Torres!
11.) B chelsea. Why are you so worried about us? Your team is doing great but you're still bitter about us.
Did you lot not go out and pay mega money for your transfers? Torres?
But as soon as we buy the best, you lot can't hack it.
There's an important difference between our clubs, you have a rich owner who is backing you for now, we have 77,000 turning out and hundreds of millions globally.
So stop being bitter and watch out as we WILL be back.
12.) Touched a nerve there
13.) Of course it did, with your sarcastic sarcasm.
14.) Belfat
Your owner has sunk close to a billion of his money into the club, I would move on and pick a better subject to banter.
MIDDLETON RED's rumour replies
04 May 2016 20:15:29
Whereabouts in Spain are you off to 001? . We have got a place on the mainland, would love to live there one day. Good luck, it's a massive step.
{Ed001's Note - I am only there until the end of the year, all being well, to save up for my wedding. My fiancee's job is here in Dubai, so the intention is to come back then, all being well. I am going to be staying in a village called Marinaleda in Andalusia. My first ever visit to Spain to be honest, though my parents retired there a few years ago now.}
19 Apr 2016 19:41:49
Cantona only cost a million mate, but United usually try and buy players with promise and make them into stars. Bruce, Irwin, Staam, Kanchelskis, Keane, Ince, Sharpe etc. Those players cost relatively little compared to today's prices, but with the likes of city, Chelsea, Liverpool and ourselves wanting instant success the prices for even unproven modest players has gone through the roof. I don't want LVG at my club but he has stumbled across some great young players this season and hopefully they will be given the chance to shine next season alongside some top quality new signings.
13 Feb 2016 10:03:48
Agree 100%. Ok Jose has got big mouth and an ego to match, so what, so did Fergie. SAF upset a lot of people in his time at United. Including the racehorse people at CoolMoore, which led to the Glazers taking over. He didn't speak to the BBC for years and sometimes sent out backroom staff to do post match press conference's. They say Mourinho plays boring football, but again SAF teams were really poor in his last 3 or 4 season's. Jose is a winner, he got so far under Guardiolas skin in Spain that he quit football for a year then did one to Germany. Joses first term at Chelsea saw them play some great football and win plenty of silverware along the way.
Would make sense, we always pay top dollar for players, yet sell our own on the cheap ( except for Ronaldo ).
It is common knowledge that LVG planned to build his Holland team around Strootman. It is also common knowledge that he would like him at United, even Roma know this, that's why they placed a ludicrous 100million price tag on him. Both coming back from serious injuries & IMO Strootmans injury was far worse, that's why we will probably not get him in this transfer window, we will watch him on his recovery & if all goes well will try & get him in January. I personally think that with us having such a good pre season LVG will try & get bye with a cheaper version of Vidal until he can get the player he really wants in January. If we would have lost most of the pre season games he would have had to acted quicker.
MIDDLETON RED's banter replies
21 Apr 2016 18:53:54
Great post. I have been following United for over 50 years so have seen some brilliant times. But, I have also seen some really bad, ok we are hardly setting the world on fire with our dour pass, pass, pass negative football, but we are improving. God knows what some people's reactions would be if we got relagated 6 years after we won the European cup. Oh hang on that has already happened and the fans rallied round and helped us get straight back up at the first attempt. Come on United fans, heads and chin up.
12 Mar 2016 09:45:00
Good post Shappy. I have stood by LVG all season but have to admit I think he needs to go. I don't know if he has lost the dressing room or is just to stubborn to change what is happening on the pitch, either way many of the players are just not good enough, and when the young kids came into the team for a few games they showed what could be done with hunger and passion. The likes of Fellaini are just stopping the kids getting regular games, and as we saw with Pogba they leave to make their name elsewhere.
14 Feb 2016 09:26:03
Smalling has been great this season. What he needs is an experienced centre half alongside him. Not a midfielder. I would personally put him in the top 3 CH in the premier league.
{Ed001's Note - are you being serious? Or does great mean extremely and exceedingly average on a good day to terrible on any day when he doesn't have the whole team protecting his obvious and glaring inability to defend?}
10 Feb 2016 21:03:11
Agree 100%. Jose has his critic's but he gets results. People say he is to opinionated and outspoken, so was SAF. We cannot afford to slip further behind city, Arsenal, Spurs and even Leicester. Next season city, Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea will all be stronger, we have to be ready this time. Bring in the successful one.
23 Jan 2016 10:29:34
Agree 100% schmidfield. Total lack of vision by the club, this is arrogance just thinking that everybody will jump at the chance to play for the famous Manchester United. We have to face the fact that you must invest properly in your youth setup. I am from Manchester and along with my family and most of my mates we are Reds. But a couple of them have kids who have joined city, why? . Because they came to the schools, they spoke to the parents and they promised to educate the kids as well as train them, so if they did not make it they were still educated properly. A couple of the kids in City's youth team earn £20,000 plus a week. Although that is a ludicrous amount of money, it's the going rate and we know more than most about that ( Rooney 300 grand a week ) . The answer most be a total revision / revamp of the youth set up. Sir Matt will be turning in his grave.