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05 Jan 2017 12:38:09
Hi Utd fans. What's the consensus here on your three English defenders? Jones has been getting rave reviews lately, is he finally turning into the player Fergie thought he'd be or is it like Smalling last season, an average defender performing well in an organised defence? What about Shaw, are there still high hopes for him or does it seem he'll never live up to the hype?
1.) 05 Jan 2017 13:23:26
Smalling is a decent defender, but his decision making can be poor. Jones is a surprise, he's fit and playing very well. Time will tell with him, but he has loooked solid. Rojo even looks very good and has formed a good partnership with Jones. Rojo has been lucky not to have been sent off, but we were due some luck.
Shaw has a bad attitude and hopefully Mourinho can get him back to how he played last season before his leg got broken.
2.) 05 Jan 2017 14:11:21
Smalling has been found out to some degree this season. His positioning is poor and he doesn't pass well when pressured. He is big and he is quick, so he has the physical requirements but without the intelligence he can be a liability. In my opinion he is a solid midtable EPL defender, but lacks the quality to be first choice in a team challenging for titles and competing in Europe.
Jones still has loads of potential, but injuries have always held him back. Whether he is over his injury issues or whether he is just having an injury free period is yet to be seen. Apparently he has started changing the way he looks after himself, maybe that is having an effect. I also think an extended run playing in his best position has helped him be able to focus on the basics of his job rather than them keep changing as he is shifted around the field. He could come good yet, although I doubt he'll now reach his full potential as a lot of time has been lost through injury.
Shaw I still have high hopes for, it looks like he too has to appreciate how he should look after himself as a professional athelete. But he was first choice for a EPL team by the time he was 17. You don't manage that without serious talent. He was thought of as highly as Bale was in the Southampton academy. Now that's not to say he will or even should reach Bales level but to point out that Bale didn't hit the heights until 24/ 25. Shaw is 21 and has just spent a season out injured. Let him develop and I think he can be a world beater, whether he does or not is most down to him and hos attitude from here on in.
3.) 05 Jan 2017 14:17:01
Jones' stats when he played were excellent, his defensive actions per game were far far higher than Smallings etc. He was hampered by injuries over the last couple of seasons and before that he was not given a run of games a CB. The fact Fergie and the national manager put him in midfield suggests he is seen as a player who is comfortable with the ball. This is entirely from memory but I believe his passing stats when he played in the last two seasons were in the high eighties. He's a Morinho type defender so I think he could become the player we all hoped he would be.
I'm not a fan of Smalling, LVG gave the centre backs an incredible amount of protection, whenever we tried to be more expansive Smalling got caught out. For me he's one of the players that goes, but that's just my personal opinion.
Shaw has all the attributes to be a top player, I do question his professionalism though as he looks overweight. If he can knuckle down he'll be a top player.
4.) 05 Jan 2017 14:19:37
Im not a huge fan of Smalling or Shaw, Smalling I never thought was good enough, and Shaw seems very lazy. I really backed the signing of Shaw, but now i wouldn't care if he stayed or went.
Jones, i thought the same as Smalling, is this season his season like Smalling had last year? I don't know, but i probably wouldn't be sad to see him go either unless he can prove he can stay fit and ready for more than a full season.
5.) 05 Jan 2017 14:37:48
Cheers guys, I'm hoping Jones in particular might reach his potential as England could do with a quality CB.
6.) 05 Jan 2017 14:39:30
shaw will be fine just needs a run of a games to get his confidance back and back on his game .
21 and bags of talent .
just another target on the site imo.
7.) 05 Jan 2017 15:01:16
Shaw has a lot of potential and also a lot to learn. There is no doubt his injury has set him back.
However he has some professional and self discipline issues. I'm hoping the 'tough love' treatment that Jose is giving him will be beneficial as it has been with miki. If he responds well and works as hard as he should and needs to, then he can be a really top player.
Jones had had a few promising runs over the years only to fall foul of injury. Again a lad that got a lot when too young. He has improved his attitude and professionalism and he has had a decent run without injury. If he stays fit he is an important part to play.
Smalling for me is better than rojo. But that said I think one or both will be sold between jan and the end of the summer.
8.) 05 Jan 2017 15:30:51
lvg questioned if he was fit enough when he first signed but we are talking about a 18 year old finding just what is required at the top level .
18 your still learning and a 30 mil move to a team like united is huge .
the following summer shaw took a fitness coach on holiday with him returned to training early and was praised by lvg ( people don't seem to mention this ) .
he started the season great but had a awful injury. again for a young lad this can take a bit to get over .
truth is people don't really know what goes on if the pitch but its a good excusse to have a go at a player.
9.) 05 Jan 2017 15:35:04
Sorry but both Smalling and Shaw will be gone in the summer. Jose just doesn't like either 😆😆.
10.) 05 Jan 2017 15:37:36
'I only had myself to blame last summer, ' said Shaw. 'I didn't arrive at the club in the correct shape and things didn't go to plan. The manager told me his feelings and I totally accepted that.
'At a massive club like United you have to be at your best. But I learned and this season I feel much fitter, much sharper and I have the experience of a year at Manchester United behind me. The big difference is my fitness.
Adnan and I decided to ask a member of the United coaching staff to come with us to Dubai and we paid his flights.
'He worked us in four sessions per day. We had a football pitch, a gym and an altitude trainer, we did beach runs too'The most important thing for me was to come back fitter pre-season. '
'I just hope I don't get any injuries this time, ' he said.
'I think last season was frustrating because I was picking up little niggles every time I had a couple of games. Hopefully this time I can stay fit, get a good run of games and win a title at the end of the season. 'shaw
if he can stay away from injuries i think he will be fine .
this is a top talent that at 18 united payed 33 mil for . jose wanted him at chelsea as well.
11.) 05 Jan 2017 15:45:42
But jred from many sources it sounds like that he isn't disciplined enough?
I have a feeling that he might be gone come summer.
12.) 05 Jan 2017 16:08:32
angle such as who?
the lad has just turned 21, like most 21 year olds will have a bit to learn but when fit is man uniteds and englands lb .
we will never no but with out that horrific injury i think things would be very different .
storys in the papers before xmas about rashfords and martials attitude as well .
young players plus i don't believe a lot of what i read in the papers .
people where telling me jones and rojo where leaving as well as many others .
lets just wait and see but with shaw i think a few will be disappointed, i think he will be a top player .
21 years old still learning.
13.) 05 Jan 2017 16:12:21
we will maybe see the best of shaw next season, people will of moved on to the next target by then .
ps we might have fonte by the weekend.
14.) 05 Jan 2017 16:23:25
Target? And a few will be disappointed.
Not me, I can assure you that I'd be delighted if he fulfilled his potential.
Maybe he was a target of mourinhos due to him not having the correct character? Jose is a good source.
15.) 06 Jan 2017 11:52:07
cant remember jose coming out and saying shaw has a bad attitude .
united payed 30 + mill for a very talented 18 year footballer, that's a long term investment.
he has only been at the club 2 and a half year, with half of that spent injured .
also it was always going to take a young lad a bit of time to settle .
he will be a top player for the next 10 year that's why we payed the money we did he will be a long term investment .
when you pay that kind of money for a young lad you let him find h8s feet at the club, recover from a serious injury and give him a chance .
no one had an issue with shaw not one person in this site until people critised jose about his comments "you should play when injured "
and that's the issue, jose can do no wrong for some so suddenly shaw was this shaw was that .
it only takes a couple to start and everyone seems to believe it
{Ed025's Note - i dont think any player should play if not fit jred but to be honest shaw has been his own worst enemy mate, he is overweight and even when not injured his fitness has been in question..
16.) 06 Jan 2017 12:18:43
ed he is still only 21, he will be fine next year .
when fit and over his injuries he will be first choice for england and united for next 10 year .
he is only a kid .
as soon as people give jose a hard time people turned it on shaw, rather than jose.
he was only 19 when he broke his leg and had started the season great .
the lad just needs time, he has played only played 13 games since the 2014/ 15 season . not sure what people expect?
mind you he is still only 21 so has plenty of time on his side .
{Ed025's Note - i hope your right jred, the guy certainly has talent mate..
17.) 06 Jan 2017 12:26:41
he sure does and like all players especially young ones he needs a run of games
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22 Mar 2018 14:19:55
Personally I'd go for a 4-2-3-1, Pickford, Walker, Stones, Jones, Bertrand, Henderson, Wilshire, Sterling, Alli, Rashford, Kane. I think Southgate is planning to play with 3 CBs so I'd expect him to lose either Rashford or Sterling and add Maguire.
13 Mar 2018 17:39:51
Gents, i'm a little puzzled by your responses, I said I think Utd are improving under Mourinho and are going to only get stronger. I'm not sure why you've taken offence to that.
As for grossly overestimateing our prospects, we've matched city over the last 3 or 4 months. We're not the finished article but we're heading in the right direction.
13 Mar 2018 15:49:18
Common_sense, I'm pretty certain you didn't actually read the article.
16 Jan 2017 14:35:38
Hi guys, the other perspective. Pogba's arm round Henderson's neck was bad and should have been punished and it's a shame about the off side for your goal but I thought the ref otherwise did well. On balance a draw was a fair result but we're all a bit miffed after leading for 2/ 3s of the match.
I'd also say Klopp was a bit disingenuous with his comments about your tactics, you probably deserved a point and there's no 'correct' way to play football.
05 Jan 2017 14:37:48
Cheers guys, I'm hoping Jones in particular might reach his potential as England could do with a quality CB.