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07 Jul 2017 21:03:49
So apparently Chelsea have matched our offer for Lukaku! Its all happening.

REDFAITH

1.) 07 Jul 2017 21:23:44
He won't go to Chelsea, advisors from both clubs have met the fee has been agreed, Rom is holidaying with Pogs at the mo, plus Rooney will be back in blue by sunday all sorted i recon.


2.) 07 Jul 2017 21:29:47
These transfer window rumours are ridiculous.


3.) 07 Jul 2017 21:37:30
Hes already in L. A with pogba where he is rumored to be having his medical, the team fly out on Sunday. Says it all really.


4.) 07 Jul 2017 22:07:29
Do you think we will sign lukaku or will chelsea sign him.


5.) 07 Jul 2017 22:22:01
I honestly don't care who he goes to. If we sign him, great he's a proven goalscorer in the EPL and will add something to the team.

If Chelsea get him we can sign someone like Morata and move on.


6.) 07 Jul 2017 22:53:53
I hope we get the LuBe strike force mentioned on the banter page Lukaku and Bellotti 😆😆.


7.) 08 Jul 2017 10:38:50
If united bought belotti conte may explode.


 

 

01 Jun 2017 19:21:50
Strong reports in the Portuguese media that we have agreed a deal for €35mil +€5mil in bonuses for Victor Lindelof. Could be our first signing of the summer.

REDFAITH

 

 

01 Jun 2017 09:38:49
@Ed002

How is the upheld transfer ban for Atletico Madrid expected to impact a potential deal for Antoine Griezmann? Or is it unrelated?

REDFAITH

{Ed002's Note - I don't think it will make a difference as I expect him to stay another year as he will want to move to the new stadium.}


 

 

27 May 2017 16:46:11
Reports in italy claim that we have struck a deal with Inter for Ivan Perisic for €45mil.

REDFAITH

1.) 27 May 2017 23:33:38
Not seen much of him at Inter but I do remember him at Wolfsburg.
Just looked up his YouTube clips and even they don't make him look any good.
In Jose we trust.


2.) 28 May 2017 09:39:00
For Croatia he's amazing top player quick direct n scores goals!


3.) 28 May 2017 22:13:38
Creates plenty, quick, runs at defenders, two footed, and scored a few this season also, wouldn't be my number one choice but would be a welcome addition to the team for me and would improve us no doubt.


 

 

19 May 2017 18:11:44
@Ed002

Lots of reports tonight that Manchester City are close to agreeing a deal for Fabinho. Are they interested in him and have any talks taken place? I was hoping we would see him at Old Trafford next season.

REDFAITH

{Ed002's Note - Manchester City have discussed two players with Monaco - one of which is Fabinho.}


1.) 20 May 2017 12:33:52
Hi ed have Manchester United had discussions with Monaco for any players yet?

{Ed002's Note - Yes, this has all been discussed.}


2.) 20 May 2017 15:10:03
Hi Ed, Sorry to hassle you further on the Fabhino rumours but, after a cursory search about the player, other media outlets are suggesting that Man City are now looking to sign him - and his representatives prefer Cuty. Any truth in any of this please?

Many thanks as always for any response.

{Ed002's Note - I have just answered this in this thread!!}


3.) 20 May 2017 21:05:42
Really sorry Ed, posted it before your reply appeared, must've been a trick of the data cloud as answers and questions were swirling around! Sorry again!


4.) 20 May 2017 21:06:45
Oops just read thread again, my mistake, very sorry! Need to be a bit sharper next time!


5.) 20 May 2017 21:56:20
Wallace, I really think you should apologize to ed002 please.


6.) 20 May 2017 22:20:36
You're right Angel, hope Ed002 accepts my apology - will teach me to read things correctly in future. What a wally!

{Ed002's Note - I acccept it.}


7.) 20 May 2017 23:53:45
Wally by name.


8.) 21 May 2017 07:34:42
'What you talkin bout Wallace'


9.) 21 May 2017 07:53:51
Beast that's twice uv made me laugh this week.

U feeling more relaxed now, that trip away has done u good 😊.


10.) 21 May 2017 12:15:21
Nah EZRS mes Beast has been nice to him that's why he is more relaxed. 😉😂😎.


11.) 21 May 2017 19:40:00
Cant argue with that 666 a happens to us all.


 

 

 

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10 Jan 2018 01:45:35
It seems Red Man is stuck in 2010-2013 and unable to come to grips with the present.

The Glazers are at fault for United's fall from grace post 2013. But "no ambition" and "not spending enough money" are absolutely not the reasons to justify that statement.

The reasons are the following :
1. Ineptness to manage the transition post Ferguson.
2. Letting Sir Alex choose his successor
3. Appointing two poor managers (and perhaps a 3rd unsuitable one too) who were never right for the club.
4. Allowing Gill and Ferguson to go at the same time.
5. Not appointing a Director of Football to work with Sir Alex in his last couple of years to have a long term transition plan already in place once he leaves, where the DOF would have been involved with the board to buy players to fit a particular philosophy and appoint a manager after Ferguson who fit that philosophy.

Its not "ambition" or "spending" that's the issue but mismanagement and a clear lack of experience in managing transitions between managers and long term planning that's the issue. The reason for that is clear as well. Its because they never had to do it while Ferguson was around. He was the DOF himself and managed the football side of the things. Transitioning between managers, having a process to search for a new one was never required. Other clubs do this regularly and are already experienced with it.

THAT is their fault. They've spent the money and have shown the ambition but they appointed the wrong men to invest it and didn't have the proper structure at the club in place to imolement it. That's where their fault lies and they should be blamed for it. Perhaps not getting the likes of Txiki at the club is their biggest mistake.

So Red Man. Please stop with your relentless agenda. Its gotten a bit boring and your assertions contradict the evidence. We've spent more than enough to show ambition. The numbers don't lie.

Its clear to me and most people on here that you simply make your conclusion and later try to fit evidence into it. You made up your mind on Moyes even before he had officially started. It was the same with LVG. You clearly fawn over Jose while most are pretty ambivalent and do agree that he's been a bit hit and miss and has made mistakes but you see pretty much no wrong and are barking up the wrong tree of spending. And you've had your mind made up about the owners and seem to see a lack of spending and ambition even though the evidence doesn't support your conclusions.

P. s. It seems to me that Jose doesn't want Sanchez. We've bought far more expensive players than him in the last 4 years on comparable wages. Not going for Sanchez has nothing to do with the owners but Jose preferring a different player. Sanchez and Malcolm are today to you what Pastore was back a few years ago. I remember you moaning on here for days. A player whom the manager wasn't interested in but suited your agenda of beating the drum of "lack of spending" and "ambition".

REDFAITH

1.) 10 Jan 2018 05:15:40
Couldn't agree more, excellent post.

Poor decision making top-bottom and flittering money away all the while. We have missed a golden opportunity to pull away from the competition. Wasted opportunity infuriates me more than anything.


2.) 10 Jan 2018 06:30:03
Very good post. In fact this should be pinned at the top of this page for a while.


3.) 10 Jan 2018 06:40:46
REDFAITH

You make some good points, ones which I have made on here before, but you have summarised them well. However seem to spectacularly misunderstand ambition.

Most if not all clubs have ambition, but it is the level of ambition that differs. Teams in the championship have ambition, to get in the play off, be promoted. Teams in the premier league relegation zone have ambition to stay up, mid table teams to improve, get to a European place, the top four.

There are teams whose aim is to TRY to win the league and or a cup.

Then there are teams who want to dominate, win European cups, Madrid, Barca, Munich, PSG and now City. They don’t talk about cost, they have an aim, an ambition to dominate in their own leagues but in Europe as well. I do not see that in us.

What I do see is the ambition, the burning ambition to maximise the asset value whilst trying to show ambition to win the big trophies and that is the next level, albeit small level down to the big boys and now even to City, it shouldn’t be. If we can have the best asset value without being the best team why spend more is what seems to be the view

Do get your facts right on lvg, for me it was not the same as with Moyes, I had not “made up my mind before he started”. Moyes yes, knew it would be a disaster but lvg I have had stick on here recently for supporting him, do check before making sweeping statements.


4.) 10 Jan 2018 09:00:24
Red Man what a lot of twaddle. That is blatantly just twaddle, twaddle, twaddle. Choices where made they didn’t work out.

Red faith has not questioned the clubs ambition one bit but has only questioned why you keep beating a boring old drum. This club will always be ambitious, it is ingrained in the DNA of its traditions although LVG did has damnest to play that down because he couldn’t hack it as manager, now Jose is sailing on the same boat.

One thing Maze does agree with you in though is you did sheepishly follow LVG and claim that he was a major success over Moyes. Again though that is nothing to be proud of because LVGs stint at United was a shambles.


5.) 10 Jan 2018 09:56:00
Redman what level are you talking about, let's city for eg as you seem to love their owners. Last season they bought sane, gundogan and bravo when likes of Neymar, pogba and keepers much better than bravo would have been available. Are they penny pinchers too, fact is guardiola's buys have worked out a lot better than mourinho's.

Had it not been for atletico getting a ban we would have spent as much as city did, it isn't the Glazers fault that mkhi turned out to be a dud or that ibra lasted only a season or lukaku being a ftb they paid for what Mou wanted. Yet because you love mourinho he can't be blamed for anything.


6.) 10 Jan 2018 11:19:46
Good post Red Faith you make some excellent points but I also agree with Red Man. Now bear with me and I will attempt to explain why.

There is no doubt the Club has spent heavily since Fergi retired but think of this. The season he retired we finished as Champions. The Club appointed Moyes on a 6 year contract but our only summer signing was Fellaini in an embarrassing deadline day fiasco! Call it Woodward's inexperience, incompetence or a combination of the two that was a pretty disastrous first transfer window especially with a new manger at the helm. I have no doubt that Moyes gave the board his lists of targets and them failed him spectacularly. They approached that window with the same naivety and arrogance as previous ones and why spend money when you've just won the league by 13 points? Well what about trying to win the Champions League! That's the ambition or lack of it that we're talking about!

Moyes reign was equally as bad at that first window which ultimately set the tone for a manger and chairman hopelessly out of their depth. This has now cost the Club millions trying to remedy.

For the Club to remain marketable, attractive to investors/ sponsors and profitable we must be playing Champions League football. Whilst the Glazers know nothing about football they know business. An extended spell outside the top 4 would be disastrous for our revenue streams.

Call me cynical but this is my view on our spending. For the Club to get back into the top 4 they realised they had to invest in the squad and I can't argue that they haven't done this. Now Jose can't argue that he hasn't had money to spend. He has. But given the fact that City already had a superior squad has he been given enough money to first of all bridge that gap and then make us better? I'd argue not! He delivered in his first campaign, won us two trophies and got us back into the Champions League. Now this is my point about ambition. This was the summer to go again and really back Jose in the market. He stated that he wanted at least four players. If truth be known he probably wanted more but even Jose understands Glazernomics!

The board didn't deliver on even his minimum requirement whilst City spent well over £150m on three full backs and a goalkeeper, addressing their weak points and significantly improving their squad. We haggled over the price of Perisic and we missed out. In my opinion they decided we were back in the top 4 and didn't see the value in spending £50m on a player in his late 20's. Where have we heard this before?

City are 15 points clear at the top, they have one foot in the final of the League Cup yet are still aggressively pursuing Sanchez, one of the best players in the league to make them even better knowing that he could come for free in the Summer. Would our board in this position do the same thing? That is the difference in ambition we're taking about.

One Club wants to dominate whilst the other is content with their position and continues to search for value in the market!

Why as fans should we not want our Club to spend money that has been generated by our own means. If it's not spent on transfers then it's only lining the Glazers pockets and I know which I'd prefer. Come on chaps if we want to be the best then surely we've got to spend like them!


7.) 10 Jan 2018 12:33:53
And every one laughter at city overspending on overrated players.

But city are playing so now we have to spend more more more .
Even tho we have spent a very large amount of cash .

I wonder if city hadn't spent as much if our problem would still be we haven't spent enough?
Strange thing is if you listen to the sharkpod United's main target is savic who is going to cost mega cash . Yet we have no ambition because we haven't signed Sanchez?

Maybe the club have a plan, have spent a lot of cash, are going to spend a lot more . But they don't want Sanchez a player that doesn't seem to want to play for United and will be 30 next year .

Maybe want bale or griezmann or someone like that .

Is the issue the club doesn't spend money, doesn't sign players or is it the club hasn't signed the players certain fans want?

I know we are a full week in to the January transfer market and all our rivals have bought the best 10 players in the world .
But come on boys keep your chin up, we should stay up this year ;)


8.) 10 Jan 2018 13:01:37
Danny

Good points

Let’s not forget that Woodward said in 2013 that the team didn’t need any significant Re-tooling. How was that level of ambition comparable to being the best in the world? Ok we won the league but didn’t get near in the UCL and then he delivered Fellaini.


9.) 10 Jan 2018 13:02:19
That is a great post Danny🙌🏽. You have summed it up perfectly and I think the difference in ambition is clear to see between our owners and city’s owners. One wants to dominate football and create a dynasty. The other is happy with being back in the top 4 and making huge profits on sponsors. I think we can all agree there is not much difference in ambition between pep and Jose. But one is being backed to the hilt and the other is being backed but not as much as he would like. Interesting times because in the premier league we seem to be the only side that can stop city dominating for years in my opinion. Chelsea have a good squad and team but their transfer policy has changed and they will not go out and back Conte the way city do with pep. We really have to get the right players in this summer otherwise we will be left behind. We need to match the manager’s ambition and if we are unwilling to, then there is not point him being here in my opinion.


10.) 10 Jan 2018 12:53:40
Dany moyes was an inept idiot, moyes who decided to play FIFA with his targets like wanting ronaldo and bale and fabregas who we knew had no chance of signing rather than signing likes of thiago which utd had already done the groundwork for.

And in the same vein as you said we have spent 160 million on 3 mf's in last 3-4 seasons and by the looks of it are willing to chuck 100 million more on another one, pep wanted a defence mourinho wants a mf nothing earth shattering to it. City are pursuing sanchez but even they seem to have put in financial constraints to what they will spend on him in jan.

Everyone keeps mentioning perisic as if he would have solved what ails us right now, his stats in Serie A this season are 20 apps 1800 mins 7 goals and 6 assists to Martial's 11 (9) apps 919 minuted 7 goals and 3 assists in epl, how exactly would he have improved us, if anything we would have been worse off given martial will actually improve in future while this season and last season have been perisic's best ever performances since his days in the belgian league.


11.) 10 Jan 2018 13:43:06
Totally agree Park!

CSM - The point about Perisic is not if he is a good player but rather the manger identified him as a key target and the board didn't deliver. There can be no doubt that the Club didn't want to pay the asking price probably due to his age. The board didn't fulfil the mangers minimal requirements and we should be asking why not? He probably wanted another LB, CM and back up RB is a perfect world. I think even Jose understood this was unrealistic it he expected them to deliver his targets. How do you propose that we over take City if we're not even prepared to match their spending? We either want to be the best or we don't! Yes money can be wasted and mis spent but without it your left hoping for miracles. Just look at Spurs. Potch has done a great job but there a million miles away from winning anything and won't get anywhere close unless they change their philosophy. They'll do well just to keep hold of their players never mind improve their squad. Don't forget Pep won nothing last season and he's spent another small fortune getting the players he wanted. We shouldn't fool ourselves unless we're prepared to at least match the likes of City and PSG then our glory days will be few and far between. Do we want to be the best or not?


12.) 10 Jan 2018 14:41:44
We should of just spend 50 million more on pogba lukaku and lindelof then we would of spent more than city .

As for perisic maybe inter didn't want to sell or the club simply didn't think he was worth the asking price? Or do we just pay any amount of money that the club ask .

What if we had bough perisic and he got injured first game of the season? Would that if been our title challenge over right there, because he is that good .

What if we do some really good business this summer and identify some really good players that don't cost 150 mil each . Will every one be up in arms because we haven't shown any ambition .
Let's hope Jose doesn't give one of the kids a chance, when he could just be spending 60 mill on someone else . Can you imagine the lack of ambition then .


Seems it not about the player we buy but the amount he costs.


13.) 10 Jan 2018 14:58:17
We have also added lingard and Rasford to the team . But they didn't cost anything so don't seem to count.


14.) 10 Jan 2018 15:40:29
I think the issue with us not going for Sanchez is that he predominantly plays from the left and we already have Martial but more importantly rashford.

I think Jose is well aware of what would happen if he got rid of Rashford to accommodate Sanchez.

Lukaku is always going to play and therefore the only spot that Rashford gets a look in is wide left as on the right he is less effective.

Martial is the better player, but because Rashford is a local kid and considering our youth traditions I think Jose feels that Rashford has to play. If Sanchez came on board that wouldn't happen nearly as much because then you would have two players in Rashford's two positions that are better than him.


15.) 10 Jan 2018 16:11:57
Danny do you think fernandinho and an injury prone gundogan are what pep wants as his mf's or are his favorite cb's stones and otamendi, he seems to have adjusted to it well enough.

Also utd seemed happy enough to spend 89mn on griezmann may be it is mourinho who needs to pick who he wants more carefully, because in no world can you go from no 3 on Balon d'or award list to perisic that's like going from Ronaldo to Valencia and we know how that went. This back the manager come what may has lumbered us with likes of darmian, blind and rojo, perisic would have only added to that list.


16.) 10 Jan 2018 17:53:46
Hi all its Mike you favourite Moston Red

Okay I’ve read a lot of what's been put on here over the past few days and feel the need to speak

I get your all up in arms at the moment, over let's face it the bile churning prospect of them lot winning the lot. The Glazer blame brigade are out in force again, yawn yawn yawn. The blame everybody apart from Ferguson etc brigade are out in force again, I could go on and on.

We are second in the league, would we be bringing the Glazers in to it again if Chelsea were top and running away with it like they were last year, Probably not. The fact of the matter is Guardiola’s philosophy appears to have clicked all of sudden with the acquisition of full backs who have sensational recovery runs in them. This is exactly what they lacked last year with Zabaletta and Kolarov not up to it. They’ve blazed a trail that none of us could match. Not just Jose, I’m talking Klopp, Conte, Pochettino etc. Anyway enough sunshine blown up their you know what.

January. What serious business is done in January, other than the odd sensation here and there. We signed Mata that year on the back of the embarrassing transition and transfer window in Summer 2013. I don’t realistically expect anyone to be brought in, but you never know. It can upset your squad as we know. We all remember the Asprilla signing at Newcastle that year.

I get sick of hearing about City are leaving us for dead etc. Well if they are we are not on our own. United has an infrastructure that is up there with the best there is. We have state of the art training facilities, that were there long before the Emptysad Campus in Beswick. They had to spend billions to just get near us in that respect and will have to spend more to get near us in terms of honours.

I think a lot of people here are emotional wrecks at the minute over nothing. Manchester United are a very well run football club, that makes a lot of money and money has been proven over the past few years to be spent. You can’t level that at the owners. They have probably spent close to Citys and Chelsea’s owners.

We are not going to win the league every year now its over, get over it. City won’t win it every year or Chelsea or Liverpool etc. I was glad we won the cup in 2016 and the trophies we won last year. So if we don’t win anything this year, we won’t be the only club.

Jose is no fool and it’s a brave man or woman who thinks otherwise. We lost Pogba for important periods this year and any team losing him, it would have a big impact. He’s back fit now and there are still 2 trophies to win as well as a top four spot to play for. We may yet finish the season with our cheeky grins in tact.


17.) 10 Jan 2018 18:47:43
in all honesty, should have gone for Giggsy instead of Moyes. Moyes I feel tried to do way too much too soon with the back room staff for example and this backfired. I feel Giggs would have tried to maintain as much as the same structure Fergie had in place. to make matters worse they went for LVG straight after and he was a total let down. The sad state of affairs is Mourinho is still stuck with LVG's deadwood and I think he summed it up from day one where he said he wished he started from zero instead of the squad he had inherited.


18.) 10 Jan 2018 20:54:05
Maze -Mazey- Maze you my fella are wired up in a different manner than the rest of us . You wouldn't look out of place in Royston Vasey you looney I'm guessing with some of your posts 😆😆.


 

 

11 Dec 2017 19:58:16
Why aren't we focussing on the positives and how far the team has come since Jose took over?

Lingard looks a good player, Martial has started to settle in and so has Lindelof, Rashford is playing well too. It looks like we might keep De Gea now and Lukaku's linkup play has improved a lot since his Everton days. We're 2nd in the league and I can see us making the UCL semis.

That's great progress by Jose from where he found the team. He's addressing each problem area one by one.

REDFAITH

1.) 11 Dec 2017 20:23:42
We also have a good defense now with Bailly and Lindelof both comfortable on the ball. We know Jose wants to bring in a new left back with Sandro and Danny Rose being linked. He also wants a midfielder or two. Milinkovic Savic and Carlos Soler, both highly rated young players are the ones we seem to be targeting. He has clearly identified that we need a winger too as the interest in Perisic shows. The ed has suggested that we might replace Zlatan with Lewandowski at the end of the season.

I'd be happy with those 4-5 signings. We need to look at the malaise Moyes and LVG left us in while we evaluate progress. People keep bleating on about defensive football, yet this team is much better than last year and way better than LVG's 70% possession 0 chances created borefest. I quite like the counter attacking style and most people before the City game would have said we've played well this season.

Its going to take a few more signings for Jose to have the squad he needs to perform at a high level consistently and not be overly dependent on Pogba in midfield.


2.) 11 Dec 2017 21:22:20
You see the glass as half full, some see it as half empty. Take Sterling as an example. He is currently in the form of his life and we can only surmise that is down to his Manager. You name some of our players playing well although Lukaku is stretching it a bit. As for Martial, Shaw, Miki, is it not up to Jose to get the best out of them? Martial has been very inconsistent, Jesse has had bright moments but not a run of them. Herrera has regressed, Lukaku currently looks out of his depth. The feel of the club isn’t great and that’s because bolshy Jose seems to want to find an argument all the time.

Last year we were 6th and struggled against ‘lower’ teams. This year we are comfortably second so that is clear progress but it doesn’t always feel like it. I guess the stats speak for themselves, 2nd highest scorers and nobody has conceded fewer. The next window or two will be critical but I don’t see that Rose or Perisic take us to the next level.

There has clearly been some over reacting to Sunday’s defeat but take a step back, like it or not, City are setting the standard right now both on and off the pitch.


3.) 11 Dec 2017 22:16:15
AJH,

Jose has made Martial a better player imo. His positioning and timing has improved and he also works harder defensively now.

Lingard whenever he plays CAM plays well imo.

Lukaku's linkup play is much better than at Everton. Everyone is talking of Sterling but it took pep a year and a half to get the beat out of him. Surely Jose deserves that much with Lukaku?

City's defense is not better than ours. We have the better keeper. And you can argue that we have the better strikers or its evens.

Where they beat us hands down is midfield quality. De Bruyne, Silva, Gundogan, Bernardo Silva, Sterling and Sane coming in centrally are all better than what we have. Only Pogba can make a case to get into their midfield.

But since midfield is where games are controlled from it seems as though they are way better than us, when in fact we have the better keeper, the better defense and probably a better attack too.

If we buy a couple of midfielders, maybe a winger and a stable left back I'm sure we can go toe to toe with them.


4.) 11 Dec 2017 23:32:22
I’d rather have Aguero and Jesus than Lukaku and ibra.

Ibra was a waste of sub every game so far.


5.) 12 Dec 2017 09:55:07
Martial, Jones, Pogba, Fellaini, Young, Valencia, Lingard, Rojo, Herrera (last season) all massively improved under Jose.

Shaw is a busted flush and needs to be sold. Lukaku will come good and Rashford is young and inconsistent. Others don’t seem to either have the right attitude or just aren’t good enough. Miki, Darmian etc.


6.) 12 Dec 2017 10:55:32
Eric, I'll give you Lingard and Young, but the others?

Martial improved on his first season? I still think he'll turn out to be a class player, but I wouldn't say he's improved since his first season, though I do expect him to improve no matter what manager comes in. Jones and Rojo are good players, who haven't been able to show their true worth, due to injuries and/ or being played out of position. Fellaini has been played all over the place since he was bought, limiting his effectiveness at times, together with the ridiculous way he was treated by some so-called fans. Valencia has been a good, solid player for years, but improving in the last one and a half seasons? And by your own admission, Herrera has gone backwards this season.

Just think you're stretching José's powers of improvement a wee bit there, mate. I also still believe Shaw is going to be a top left back, either with us or another club.


 

 

11 Dec 2017 16:53:59
Some of the "Balance of power has shifted" posts seem a bit over the top and a bit embarrassing to me. City are simply a year further along in their project than we are imo. We need a midfielder or two, a winger and maybe a full back but the rest of the team IS solid.

We have the wingers and strikers to hurt any team out there, its just a matter of having a midfield that can get the ball to them. Our defense is solid too and we have the best keeper in the world.

The last 3 years have produced 3 different winners in the League. We're the closest to City right now and with a couple of additions in midfield and maybe a winger we will be just as good. We will address those areas in the next couple of windows.

The team is showing inconsistency right now without Pogba and we are too reliant on him in midfield.

Some of the posts about Lukaku too are getting embarrassing. What was he supposed to do feeding on all those scraps? His linkup play was excellent against Arsenal.

REDFAITH

1.) 11 Dec 2017 17:42:46
The first half we were too defensive but once City had scored I thought we were the equal of them. All 3 goals were the result of blunders, and, unfortunately for Lukaku both of the ones we conceded were pretty much down to him. He was beaten to the header for the first and it was his clearance that led to the second. Besides that there was no better build up or chance than the one he missed from point blank range. So, I really don't think anyone can argue against the idea that much of the blame for yesterday's loss, if it has to be assigned, would be fairly put at Lukaku's feet. I'm sure he will be thinking the same. And if top players are judged by their performances in top games then Lukaku didn't stake his claim yesterday.

At the moment he seems to be so intent to blast the ball that he's sacrificing the awareness and finesse that's sometimes needed in front of goal. He's probably trying too hard. Like Pogba I expect him to have a better second season than first.

Looking at the penalty claim, I don't think it was stone cold, but it certainly could have been given.

Overall 0-0 or 1-1 would have reflected the game fairly based on the number of golden chances created, rather than conceded, by the two sides,


2.) 11 Dec 2017 18:49:07
Redfaith. City came to old Trafford and played us off the park. They had 75% possession. These stats are what United get when we're playing some 3rd division side in the FA cup. Are you seriously suggesting that we're close to them. They're 11 points ahead of us and it's the 11th of December for God's sake.
They play controlled football while our lot just boot it up there and hope for the best. You say we're short of a winger a left back and two midfielders. I'll add a tricky striker to that. And that's 5 players which is half an outfield team. They started planning this in 2012 while we've been messing around for the past 5 years.
Like every great empire, we got complacent. We thought we can bring in Moyes, a humble man who can be ruled by Woodward and the owners and everything will be fine as we'll finish in top4. The stupid and arrogant plan misfired spectacularly in their yank faces. They then panicked into getting lvg when everyone knew is past his best. After a boringly predictable outcome he got sacked. And now we have Jose, intent on playing outdated football with ultra defensive tactics that have only resulted in 3 wins against our top rivals in 13 attempts.
Are you seriously trying to tell us that by this time next year, we would have improved sufficiently to compete with the top teams? I don't share your optimism.
I do agree that the criticism of Lukaku is over the top. The supply to him is non existent.


3.) 11 Dec 2017 18:49:29
Sorry Shawthing but you were watching a different match to me and most unbiased fans, football journalists and pundits. I speak as a passionate Utd fan but have to say well done City. They were by far the better team yesterday on chances created possession and the way they played.


4.) 11 Dec 2017 19:56:19
They had 65% possession and yet how many clear chances did they create? Our downfall was poor defending at set pieces, not City's supposedly amazing football which produced precious little even though they had so much possession.

The reason they had so much possession? They had a better midfield! Hence we need to buy a midfielder or two to help us get control of the game.

Had we had Pogba in the team and gone with a 4-3-3 they would not have had the spaces to play in that they got.

When City's wingers tuck in along with a 3 man midfield it makes it very difficult for a midfield 2 of Herrera and Matic to control the game. It was obvious they dominated possession. It doesn't concern me that they did.

What concerned me was that we didn't transition into counters quick enough. Smalling and Rojo aren't good on the ball and that makes it difficult along with a just two man midfield to being the ball out hence the clearances rather than patiently building the game.


5.) 11 Dec 2017 20:53:11
It saddens me a little, that we depend so much on one midfielder.


6.) 12 Dec 2017 06:53:56
One midfielder that is just as likely to have a poor game as a good game - sums us up, we've built a house of cards and the key card is a massive gamble every game.

He has had more poor games for us than good ones as well, so who knows which Pogba would have turned up had he been available! It's no excuse, they had 3 very important players not playing we had one!


7.) 12 Dec 2017 14:57:11
Beast, we were also without Bailly and Jones, probably our best defensive pairing. City have much better depth than we do largely because they have been following a plan for some time now whereas we have been either resting on our laurels or downright confused for a decade, and consequently misspending large swaths of cash on players that don't gel. Had we been in for Salah and Morata, rather than Lukaku, and another top class creative midfielder, I think we would have been right there with City at this juncture.

I do wonder whether we are approaching the time when Martial and Rashford might be our best alternatives up top.


 

 

11 Dec 2017 16:39:06
I think the league is gone now.

The game was purely and simply lost in midfield. We had too many players furtherforward waiting to counter but nobody in midfield to start it off. A priority for the January window should be a midfielder. We look completely hopeless without Pogba.

After looking at the UCL draw I have a feeling that Jose can pull something special off for us in the Champions League. He's beaten better teams with a worse Inter Milan before and he can do it again with a much better United squad. We need a little bit of midfield padding for sure. There is nobody better than Jose in one off knockout games. One of Real and PSG will be out, Chelsea are deadly on the counter with Hazard and they always do well against Barcelona. Bayern aren't the force they once were.

It could be a repeat of last season's European campaign for us where we knew we couldn't do much in the league and focussed on Europe and won. We might just sail through with the likes of PSG, Real, City, Barcelona having to face each other while we just have to win that one big tie.

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1.) 11 Dec 2017 18:51:41
Yesterday was a one off game in that it was one by common consent we had to win. We didn't and our midfield was nowhere to be seen creatively wise. We need to do more than just pad out our midfield. We need a top left back and at least one top class winger too.


2.) 11 Dec 2017 18:52:49
Redfaith. Agreed that we need one if not two midfielders but January is not a good time to buy them.
I think we'll progress past sevilla and I think we're a good cup team. But I don't think we're capable of beating psg real Barcelona Bayern juve or even city over two legs. So I think quarter finals will be as far as we get.


3.) 11 Dec 2017 20:05:39
Attack Attack Attack.

We're more than capable of beating half the teams in that draw. We are simply better than them on paper. I expect us to reach the semis and then it really comes to down to experience. Jose is the best in the business, still, at knockout games.

I would fancy our chances against a Bayern or a Juve for eg in the semis and I don't see PSG as a fully settled side either. I expect that City will have run away with the league, we will be firmly second and both the Manchester clubs will focus on Europe.

If we can get a midfielder in January I believe we have what it takes.


 

 

26 Nov 2017 21:14:50
I've been watching the games closely and what I see is that we are losing the midfield battle repeatedly. But I don't think it's anything to do with either of the midfielders playing well or not but rather with the simple lack of bodies in the center that we have.

A midfield two of Matic and Pogba with wingers like Rashford and Martial who are basically forwards means our midfield gets outnumbered against an opposition with a 3 man midfield and wingers that pack themselves inside.

Having a Mkhitaryan or Rashford as an attacking midfielder doesn't help since he plays further forward. This is why I believe we need to play a 3 man midfield to get more control of the games. Matic is a good defensive midfielder, Herrera is a decent passer of the ball but isn't the kind of player that can pass an opposition to death or pick out a special pass. Having a midfielder like that would allow Pogba more freedom to play further forward instead of having to come deeper to set the tempo of the game. He was most effective with Pirlo and Vidal playing alongside him.

I believe we will benefit from buying someone like a Kroos or even a Modric or Fabregas as a short term fix to the problem. Or perhaps the answer could be a box to box midfielder who can allow Pogba to then sit a bit deeper around the middle of the pitch to dictate the tempo of the game.

I also think we lack a genuine winger in the squad. I can see the impact Salah and Mane have at Liverpool for eg. I can see why Jose wanted Perisic. We get into wide areas but our crossing from the wingers and full backs is just so poor and wasteful. Lukaku is a beast in the air but isn't getting the service he deserves.

So I believe a midfielder, a winger and at least one new fullback are essential for us. In the meantime playing Herrera, Pogba and Matic together might fix the problems with controlling the midfield with an extra body in there and would also allow the likes of Rashford and Martial more license to stay much wider and ahead to support Lukaku.

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1.) 26 Nov 2017 21:21:35
Our last 3 games have been Basel Newcastle and Brighton. Matic Herrera pogba fellaini should be able to cut it against them .

But I agree for some reason teams are getting at our midfield, teams seem to be going through our midfield .
Has matic gone of the boil a bit?
The 10 or attacking cm needs to do a bit more imo as well.


2.) 26 Nov 2017 21:55:20
Jred,

That's disrespectful and condescending to a Champions League team and Brighton who were top 10 when we played them and have played well against most other top teams they've played. These are good teams and have the energy to overrun us in midfield.

You could have a midfield two of the best players in the world but against a packed midfield 5 from a decent opposition they'd still get overrun. Its no surprise that the likes of Barcelona and Real Madrid who usually dominate in midfield play with a 3 in there.

The very fact that we are shipping such a few amount of goals should point to the defensive midfielder Matic doing his job. Pogba looked quite knackered after an hour in the last game which left Matic isolated and it was no surprise that we started controlling the game better after Fellaini came on to add an extra body in midfield which allowed Pogba to move further forward.

Jose's analysis of the game was right. We had too many attacking players and lost control in midfield. The same thing happened to us against Chelsea. Add a midfielder instead of playing 4 up front and allow Pogba to link the midfield with the front 3 is a good solution imo.

Against Basel in the first half we wasted our chances and our crossing has been an issue for a while now.

If we could add Danny Rose in January it would give us width from the left side and then Martial can play a bit more centrally or cut inside to provide another body in the center for Pogba to play one twos with.


3.) 26 Nov 2017 22:19:03
Great post redfaith. I agree with that. Just look at Basels credentials over the last number of years in Europe, they have a knack at beating big teams. Bit disrespectful to suggest we should have no problem with them.


4.) 26 Nov 2017 22:34:31
Brighton are a well organised team who had a midfield 3 against pogba matic and Mata. Them 3 probably cost more than there team

We had 2 many attacking players? We played with a striker a 10 2 wide men an attacking cm and 2 cm .
We are not playing 4 up front.

Brighton where great but they haven't got 11 good players and ate a different level to United Madrid city barce Munich. That's not disrespectful it's the truth.

Basel might be a champions league team just makes them a good team in the Swiss league . Although there 7 points off the top of the Swiss league at the moment.

Brighton spent 42 mill this summer
Newcastle 38 mil
Basel 723 k

I don't think I'm being disrespectful when I say
"Our last 3 games have been Basel Newcastle and Brighton. Matic Herrera pogba fellaini should be able to cut it against them "
All top international players all tip players non would play for any of them teams .

To be fair we put 4 on Newcastle should of been 5 up at half time against Basel and had a bad day yesterday against a team who played really well.


5.) 26 Nov 2017 22:40:10
Red faith how well did young play yesterday?


6.) 26 Nov 2017 22:56:33
Seriously, how far have we fallen, when we're not allowed to state that we should be doing better against Basel, Newcastle and Brighton.


7.) 26 Nov 2017 23:02:04
How about our forwards pressing quicker and the whole team doing so as a unit?! That will sort this out.


8.) 26 Nov 2017 23:08:15
Angle
We should of been 5 0 up at half time pal.

Man United Chelsea spurs barce etc should beat Basel.

Basel are 7 points of the top of the Swiss league . Spent 0.7 mil this summer, there whole 26 man squad cost 40 mil and has 10 internationals I it .
Not sure I Said we should have no problem with them ( your words ) but I do think pogba matic Herrera fellaini should be able to cut it against them.

Amazed how low some fans rate our players?


9.) 26 Nov 2017 23:10:27
if Jose selects the team and tactics then i find it a bit odd that he comes out with there were too many attackers. unless that comment was a sly dig at someone else. tactically i thought he got it wrong again yesterday but it seems most teams that played midweek last week didn't play that well.


10.) 27 Nov 2017 05:30:51
What has how much brighton spent got to do with tactics? The midfield 3 of Pogba Vidal and Pirlo was bought for a pittance by Juventus for eg. Does that mean they were a bad midfield 3? What did Kante cost Leicester? If Brighton were such a poor team they wouldn't be top 10. Show some respect.

Clutching at straws there pal.

Regardless of cost, most premier league midfielders are of a decent quality and when you play a midfield two with 4 attackers against a packed midfield 5 you are always going to lose control in midfield, especially after a midweek away trip, the effects of which were showing in the legs of a few by the end against Brighton.

Basel, away is a decent Champions league game. We dominated them for a half and got overrun in midfield in the second due to tactics.

Mata was in a midfield 3? What game were you watching? He started on the right side of the front 4, much further up. Only when we started losing control in midfield did Jose move him towards the center later on. Mata isn't a proper energetic CM anyway. He is a slow number 10 who plays as a wide forward sometimes.

If you can't see that 2 against 5 in midfield against a more than decent opposition means getting overrun in midfield there's nothing I can say to you.

Young played well but he doesn't provide the option of a fullback who hugs the byline allowing the winger to cut in and play more centrally. Martial and Young to me seem to get in each other's way, both looking to cut inside and cross. Need a proper left footed left back to get the best out of Martial imo.


11.) 27 Nov 2017 07:28:21
My post was a bit of tongue in cheek jred. of course we should be more than well equipped with our squad and budget to handle Basel. Always have a decent squad but we should be having no issues with that sort of team.


12.) 27 Nov 2017 07:50:45
We didn't play a midfield 2 it was a 3 .
We definitely didn't play with 4 up front?
It really wasn't 4.2.4 .

Did I say Brighton was a bad team? No I Said pogba matic fellaini Herrera are better players than they have in cm .

Show some respect? I Said pogba matic and co should be able to cut it against them.
Basel are average we should of put 5 on them . That's there level.

Reading your post above it sounds like your having a right dig at Jose to be honest.

Who plays 4-2-4? And doesn't change it .
We lost against Basel due to Jose tactics?

United and Jose are 2nd in the league top of our CL group, fellaini Mata pogba matic Herrera are all top international players. show some respect.


13.) 27 Nov 2017 07:52:18
Irrespective of formation, we should not be struggling against Brighton or desperately clinging on for a draw against Southampton. I’ve said it many times, we have very good players who often do not play well. When did Lukaku last have such a long dry spell? We have the players, the Manager needs to get the best out of them consistently.


14.) 27 Nov 2017 08:07:51
"Our last 3 games have been Basel Newcastle and Brighton. Matic Herrera pogba fellaini should be able to cut it against them . "

Can't believe the above comment has got your knickers in a twist .
But if you think that's me being disrespectful, well fair enough .


15.) 27 Nov 2017 12:29:35
Good post ajh. agreed, he needs to be getting the best out of the players. But also, the players need to get the best out of themselves. A recurring theme since Fergie left is players not playing well enough despite knowing that they are more than capable of better performances. So equally, the players need to do better themselves.


16.) 27 Nov 2017 13:17:04
The players need to be held accountable for poor perfomances.

Jose is responsible to a degree but ultimately it is the players who win or lose a match.


 

 

 

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No. They kept possession but created precious little in clear cut chances. I aspire to be like the United aide of 98-99 or 2006-2009. Which not only had possession but also created chances and was absolutely deadly on the counter attack.

I would love to be like Jose's Real Madrid which score 100 goals in a season and was amazing to watch on the counter with pace and power. We have the forwards, defense, a winger and a keeper to be that good. All we need is a midfielder or two help us dominate more and take the pressure off Pogba.

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I honestly don't care who he goes to. If we sign him, great he's a proven goalscorer in the EPL and will add something to the team.

If Chelsea get him we can sign someone like Morata and move on.

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Wasn't the other club that was interested in Matic? If so, have they found someone else they are going for or have they backed out due to a high asking price?

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You might want to head over to the Madrid page and check Ed002's answer to my question.

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That's nothing new. Ed002 mentioned this months ago and said its unlikely to happen in the recent sharkopod.

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21 Dec 2017 19:59:35
Cup ties like this teams do slip up. We see it time and again. We should have beaten them on paper but didn't. Whatever the reason.

Move on. Still played well this year and second in the league. Second on goals scored. Least conceded. In round of 16 of UCL after a while. Still have the FA cup to come.

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12 Dec 2017 21:23:03
I completely agree with you AJH.

Our midfield is the biggest issue for me, and quite frankly we just don't have the numbers when we play with a 2 man midfield with Lingard as a CAM who plays further forward.

The 2 midfielders can cope against the lesser sides but against teams like Liverpool, Chelsea and City we lose the midfield battle partly because we lack quality and partly because of tactics.

Our wingers are very wide and playing a 4-2-3-1 means the CAM is further forward. This leaves a lot of space for just two midfielders to cover.

Teams have spotted this and started to flood the middle of the pitch by wingers who tuck inside and a 3 man midfield and strikers dropping deep too (Firmino for Liverpool and Jesus for City)

Pogba, Herrera and Matic haven't had a chance to play together and imo playing the 3 together will benefit us in the big games instead of the extra attacking midfielder who almost plays as a supporting striker.

Fellaini leaving and Carrick's contract ending means we need 2 midfielders in the summer. We don't have the quality required yet in midfield.

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11 Dec 2017 22:18:23
Lukaku's linkup and holdup play against Arsenal was very good. He was involved in all 3 goals.

In the other big games, namely Chelsea, Liverpool and City he has been feeding off scraps and has had no service since we've lost the midfield battle. We need to fix our midfield to get the best oit of Lukaku.

I thought the team was a bit top heavy against City and we could have done without one of the front 4 and having a midfield 3 instead.

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11 Dec 2017 22:16:15
AJH,

Jose has made Martial a better player imo. His positioning and timing has improved and he also works harder defensively now.

Lingard whenever he plays CAM plays well imo.

Lukaku's linkup play is much better than at Everton. Everyone is talking of Sterling but it took pep a year and a half to get the beat out of him. Surely Jose deserves that much with Lukaku?

City's defense is not better than ours. We have the better keeper. And you can argue that we have the better strikers or its evens.

Where they beat us hands down is midfield quality. De Bruyne, Silva, Gundogan, Bernardo Silva, Sterling and Sane coming in centrally are all better than what we have. Only Pogba can make a case to get into their midfield.

But since midfield is where games are controlled from it seems as though they are way better than us, when in fact we have the better keeper, the better defense and probably a better attack too.

If we buy a couple of midfielders, maybe a winger and a stable left back I'm sure we can go toe to toe with them.

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11 Dec 2017 20:23:42
We also have a good defense now with Bailly and Lindelof both comfortable on the ball. We know Jose wants to bring in a new left back with Sandro and Danny Rose being linked. He also wants a midfielder or two. Milinkovic Savic and Carlos Soler, both highly rated young players are the ones we seem to be targeting. He has clearly identified that we need a winger too as the interest in Perisic shows. The ed has suggested that we might replace Zlatan with Lewandowski at the end of the season.

I'd be happy with those 4-5 signings. We need to look at the malaise Moyes and LVG left us in while we evaluate progress. People keep bleating on about defensive football, yet this team is much better than last year and way better than LVG's 70% possession 0 chances created borefest. I quite like the counter attacking style and most people before the City game would have said we've played well this season.

Its going to take a few more signings for Jose to have the squad he needs to perform at a high level consistently and not be overly dependent on Pogba in midfield.

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