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03 Jun 2017 09:15:24
Superb signing for the year and his character and presence was exactly what we needed for that time, but for several reasons we should not extend his contract. I'd be disappointed if we did.

Nevertheless, glad to have had him play for United and wish he came in years earlier.

Rave

1.) 03 Jun 2017 11:34:34
I agree, one season is enough for Jose.


2.) 03 Jun 2017 12:23:08
Pogba out!


3.) 03 Jun 2017 12:37:42
LOL Tony don't be mischievous now.


4.) 04 Jun 2017 11:33:57
Sorry that was about Zlatan, thought I was replying to another post but obviously posted a new one instead!


 

 

17 Apr 2017 14:51:35
Probably a bit late coming in with this but yesterday was our best performance for a good couple of years, in that it was a big performance in a big game, with the result to match. Very reminiscent of the good latter Fergie years, where we knew our limitations and the strength of the opposition, but outdid them on system and application.

The first goal was the best we've scored in a while, interception, quick forward pass - which was a brilliant through ball - and a quick striker running behind and latching on to finish. It's the kind we've been watching our rivals score and hurt every time I watched!

Herreras was the best central midfield performance by a United player in ages, complete and Keane-like.

I've been repeating throughout the season that it's our application and intensity that has let us down, we are punching below our weight in terms of squad quality. So often we start games as if to ease into it at our own pace, and when the opposition goes right at us we invariably struggle. This mindset is what we badly need and if we do it in the Europa at least, we'll end up blasting teams.

Last point is the other thing I've been on about for a while, a certain case of Zlatan. For me he is not the man for the big high pressure, high tempo games. We need constant movement and fluidity in attack for our midfielders to pick out when we win the ball, and that's what rashford and lingard gave us in abundance. Rashford really came of age last night and it will be interesting to see firstly what impact it has on team selection for the remaining big games and secondly the striker plans for the summer window.
For this season i feel it should be Zlatan as the main central striker for Europa and Rashford for the remaining league games.

Still a hell of a lot to do and the other rivals results were disappointing, but this will surely give us a huge boost at just the right time, just hope we can build momentum. How nice it would be to knock city or scousers out of the fourth spot.

Rave

1.) 17 Apr 2017 15:30:58
Good post rave.
I think rash is learning plenty about how to play as the manager wants him to. I think he is learning from Ibra. Alongside the goal threat his pace gives in behind his back to goal play and physicality has improved immensely. My preference would be that Ibra stays another year as long as he accepts less game time which would be good for both as rash is still very young to play more than 30 35 games per season plus international games. And Ibra experience and presence will be needed in games and his body won't allow more than 30 35 games. Ibra's influence and legacy could be to help develop and mentor a potential superstar. I can see then sharing that cf role next season and him becoming a real father figure to rash and some of the others. It depends what he wants to do United will pay him as much as anybody. So it depends on what Ibra wants for himself.


2.) 17 Apr 2017 15:45:32
Ibra is not going to spend his last year's sitting on the bench .
He has talked about his expectations over the coming years a lot .
Ed2 has told us he is after a 2 year deal .

Many said in the summer he wouldn't play every game would be rotated etc but it was never on the cards, he has played more minutes than Any other player.


3.) 17 Apr 2017 16:10:52
I think he is paying the price now for all those minutes. He said himself he is tired. I would expect if he stays, that next season himself and Rashford would have fairly equal playing time it would benefit both imo. Rash is a long way from the finished article so if Ibra goes Jose will buy someone else and that would hinder Rashford imo. Therefore I think another year alongside Ibra is how Rashford will develop best. If for example Lukaku signed then I think rash would get less game time than he would if Ibra stayed. A great role model to follow imo.
Rash could well be our long term cf and could save the club a fortune I think he deserves another year to develop and stake his claim like he did yesterday before we splash out 60m plus because he is not quite ready to play at yesterday's level for 50 games a season.


4.) 17 Apr 2017 16:32:52
I enjoyed yesterdays performance immensely. The lads put in a proper shift. I just hope we can maintain that type of intensity for the rest of the season because we are hard to live with when we play like that.


5.) 17 Apr 2017 16:33:28
Think griezmann playing instead of lingard around rashford will cause lots of problems for a lot of teams.


6.) 17 Apr 2017 16:42:32
Ibra will either stay and be our 9 or be sold and a big name striker be bought as Ed has indicated .
Rash not getting a chance at 9 was a concern many had last summer when we bought Ibra.
Plenty said Ibra wouldn't play all the time last summer and rash would get plenty of time at 9 in a way of justifying the purchase of Ibra.
Now it's a case of justifying keeping Ibra.
Ibra will probably play 50 games this season just like the year before .
I think rash will get just as much chance if Ibra stays or if a new striker comes in,
Ibra himself has said he won't play due to his name and if he can't do it week in week out he will be off .
And fair play to him it's his last year's so you can understand him wanting to play.

There is a offer on the table for Ibra, got to wonder what he is waiting for.


7.) 18 Apr 2017 00:55:14
Anyone else feel like rashford played like a typical mourinho striker? Milito at inter drogba at Chelsea. Benzene at real. A striker who shields the ball well and brings others into play while also being lethal in front of goal. He's adapting, although he scored more last year, he's looked much better this year in his all round play. If he keeps this level of improvement he will be very special.


 

 

29 Jan 2017 10:13:54
Would like to see Tony Martial given a chance at centre top today rather than left side, needs a goal or two to get himself back into it. I reckon his form could be the missing link to getting some speed and penetration back in our play.
But saying that I'd never complain seeing Rash starting as striker.

And really hope TFM gets a chance at right back, been v disappointed with Jose not giving him chances. Surely we need to try an alternative full back to Darmian.

Rave

1.) 29 Jan 2017 10:48:49
Rave,

Do you think TFM is a right back? I expect Valencia to play right back today against his old club, I think TFM is a centre midfielder and would like to see him tried in that position soon.


2.) 29 Jan 2017 11:40:52
GDS, no I don't. But let's be honest no one knows his true position at senior level yet (though hopefully it will be midfield) . The point is he needs game time and I said that on the balance that unfortunately I don't think Jose will entrust him at centre mid just yet.
And we need to find a better option than Darmian at right back when Tony v doesn't play.

I'd rather Tony v is held for the back to back league games over the next week.


3.) 29 Jan 2017 11:56:47
why do you think tfm hasn't been given a chance yet?


4.) 29 Jan 2017 12:30:04
Probably doesn't feel he is ready yet jred.


5.) 29 Jan 2017 12:38:54
Because we have struggled Jred. Very hard to bring through youth if you are making every game a must win.

Many of the same people that want to see our youth prospects given a fair chance are also praising Jose for how the team are doing - it's an oxymoron.


6.) 29 Jan 2017 12:53:46
Beast, I agree up to a point and it was a worry for me but Lingard is getting a solid run. My concern isn't TFM, it's Rashford whose progress is currently blocked by Ibra. I hope he rests Ibra today and plays Rash and Martial and Micky


7.) 29 Jan 2017 13:25:51
I hope he rests quite a few today.
We have started to look leggy in the previous games and the europa league is coming soon.
I think we have a very good backup team. And I like the idea of giving these players a run so that they could pressure on the starting XI to perform better.
I wouls like to see a midfield of basti, tfm and fellaini but Jose would never do that. I think Basti can still play especially against a Wigan side not doing well. Fellaini is premier league quality. And TFM covers a lot of ground and is good with the ball at his feet. I think it will be a our attack vs their defense game. And I'm hoping Tuanzebe starts RB as CB could be too much for him and CM might not suit him.


 

 

22 Jan 2017 20:42:05
At the risk of having the 'overreaction' fingers pointed, is it time for Jose to switch it up a bit in terms of formation/ lineup? The winning run was great but pretty much against lesser teams, and we still have that issue of creating chances but not scoring nearly as many goals as we should.

The fact it's been an issue for so long means surely something has to be changed.
And by that I don't mean a complete rewrite, but simply trying a second striker up top with Zlatan. Either Rash or Martial I'd be happy with. In tight games we seriously suffer from a lack of pace and movement up top - zlatan has many qualities but neither of those - yet we have arguably two of the best young striking options in the country barely getting a start (martial's situation with Jose is just strange) . I feel this will also allow zlat and pogba to thrive, when zlat has pace running off him and pogba has runs in behind to pick out.

I'm getting a bit tired of this repetitive approach of trying to ease into games expecting the opposition to allow us to do so, rather than playing quick and offensively from the outset. When the opposition is up for it from the start we tend to struggle.

In the middle, I'd go as far as saying Herrera is arguably our most important player overall, in terms of his application and setting our tempo, so when he has to play too deep - like yesterday, without a proper deep lying midfielder - we really lose impetus.

Yes we are on a long unbeaten run, yes we are going in the right direction, but I really want us to start scoring more goals fitting of the level of quality we have in our squad, and I'd do that at the risk of conceding more. Jose has to back his team's ability more I believe.

A big weekend in terms of missed opportunity for us, and my concern is how difficult it's going to get again when the Europa restarts.

Rave

1.) 22 Jan 2017 21:09:34
Good points, I guess there is only so long we can blame luck, perhaps 442 is worth a try. Generally we are players not well but the issue is conversions. I've said it before and I'll keep saying it, I want to see Rash get a proper run in the team, I really think he is special


2.) 22 Jan 2017 22:04:38
Great post couldn't agree more. LVG did the same thing week in week out irrespective of who we played or how we played the week before. Jose is doing the exact same thing. We aren't up against fodder every week, these teams can prepare full for what they think will happen because 99% of the time it's obvious how we are going to set-up and how we are going to play. Too predictable.

Of course we will create and look better than teams with lesser players, because we have a lot of very good players. We should be blitzing some teams, or at least having moments where we look great to watch. We just drift through games, hoping things will happen rather than forcing things.


3.) 23 Jan 2017 00:20:34
Beast,

I think the comparisons with LVG are long gone now mate, can leave them alone, we are on a huge unbeaten run with a lot of wins it's no surprise we are sticking to a way of playing when it is working. LVG stuck to a method that constantly didn't work and left us all falling asleep.

I do agree we can be a little obvious at times with our build up play but we are creating so much in every game so teams clearly haven't worked out how to play against us yet. I don't imagine other teams managers are saying let them have loads of chances because they will miss them.


4.) 23 Jan 2017 05:01:04
The problem is though, when we were going through our bad patch, he was changing the side and tweaking the formation and we just couldn't find any rhythm.
Our midfield shouldn't change. It should be Carrick, Herrera and Pogba barring injuries or fixture congestion. The front 3 should be rotated a bit more but our lack of goals is down to individual errors. We miss far too many easy chances.
Beast, the comparisons with LvG is non existent. There's only been a couple of games iv went away saying we didn't deserve to win. We are enjoyable to watch, we have a few players who keep you on the edge of your seat. I think the formation is fine we just need to be more clinical.


5.) 23 Jan 2017 08:26:04
Not really getting how changing formation is going to change anything?
It took him long enough to find a formation that works. It works with Carrick in the 3 with Pogba and Herrera so not sure why he left out Carrick.
We had no game midweek but he still got left out after a dodgy 1st half against a Liverpool side, who played with no striker and generally made life hard for all out midfiled. If he applied the same strict citeria to our other midfielders Pogba and Herrera they would never play.
Before our run of games and winning streak he searched for a better formation. Everyone said we needed Carrick in the team and when he plays we do far better performance and stats wise.
What I think everyone will agree with is we can't play a team containing too many slow players in advanced positions.
A team with Ibra, Mata and Fellani is slow which ever way you look at it. For me he chose the wrong team against Stoke although it's hard to critise when a team gets a 1-1 draw hardly having a shot on target.
We all know that missing chances has been our problem so not sure how playing a different formation will suddenly start making us take these chances and improve our quality.
Pogba has potential to get better and deliver more and so far this season he has not really delivered what he was bought to do.
Hererra although good at setting the tempo and closing down needs to improve his passing and shooting.
He we are ging to play fellani then we need to get balls into the box for him and play to his strenghts.
Not sure about the rest of you and i'm not a rooney fan as such but he would get in my team all day long before Fellani and Mata.
Shooting practice all round I think or some more real quality added to the squad in the summer!


6.) 23 Jan 2017 09:36:14
I think Mata is the problem. Playing him on the right removes our width leaving Valencia to do all the wing play on the right hand side on his own. Playing Micki on the left is the same as he tends to drift inside so we had no real width at the weekend meaning stoke could pack out the box making it harder for us to score.

Don't get me wrong, as a player I think Mata is fantastic, he just doesn't fit our system. Certainly not on the wing. We should stick with Micki right and Martial left. Keep the width and stretch the opposition back line.


7.) 23 Jan 2017 20:31:30
Mata seems like such a smart player. His only problem is lack of speed. I know this is a bit out there, but could he play the Carrick role?


 

 

15 Jan 2017 20:12:03
I think today's game was a reality check for the team as well as some individuals.
The winning run has been great but, with respect, against lesser teams. This is the first big team we've faced in a while and we huffed and puffed, with a lack of quickness or quality where required.

I have long been uneasy about facing quick nimble pressing teams and today was no different. Herrera is the only one of our midfield three who does well in such games; carrick and pogba need too much time on the ball to shine.

I love Pogba and wouldn't swap him for anyone, but he needs to show he can consistently run it in big games before all the overhype of emojis and the dodgy hairstyles (to have that rubbish all around the pitch during the game was a joke btw, plus what would all the other players be thinking. United marketing team's fault rather than his though) .

I was quietly confident ahead of the game and probably got caught up in the excitement of getting back in the title race if we win today, but that looks very unrealistic and the top 4 continues to be a big challenge in itself.

We're also suffering from a lack of top quality at full back, such an important position in the modern game. Left back question marks are well documented but also, even though he's a beast, Valencia's final ball quality is severely lacking (yes I know he set up the goal today but he fluffed so many other openings) .

The priority for summer has to be quick and nimble players who perform in the big, high tempo, pressure games. Controversially, I still say zlatan isn't the man for such games due to his movement and work rate (even though his goals record for us is very impressive) .

We really wanted/ needed the three points today and that big statement win to give us fans real bragging rights still hasn't arrived. Really wanted to stick it to the scouser.
But we have been going in the right direction for a few weeks and the lads showed great effort in the second half.

Lastly, and I've been thinking this before today, having admired him before I now find Klopp very irritating indeed.

Rave

1.) 15 Jan 2017 20:24:00
I would swap Pogba, for many other midfielders. He was poor again today. He gives the ball away far too much, he's been doing it for some time against lesser teams and today he was exposed against a good Liverpool side. I've not seen anything to suggest he can control a Premier League game where the pace is so fast. I know it's early but he's not looking to be worth a quarter of what we paid for him. He cost us the game today. Herrera was brilliant once again, he's captain material.


2.) 15 Jan 2017 21:28:25
The grass is always greener right Wazza?


3.) 15 Jan 2017 21:44:51
Without zlatan, we will be struggling badly.
I think we urgently need a strong and quock midfielder to help Hererra and Pogba. Our game is too pedestrian at times. It gives opposition time to regroup.
Agree that we struggle against high pressing teams as our passing is not of a good enough quality to control the game against the top sides.
Still, we created extremely good chances and missed them all, so that part of our game simply has to improve.


4.) 15 Jan 2017 21:44:51
Without zlatan, we will be struggling badly.
I think we urgently need a strong and quock midfielder to help Hererra and Pogba. Our game is too pedestrian at times. It gives opposition time to regroup.
Agree that we struggle against high pressing teams as our passing is not of a good enough quality to control the game against the top sides.
Still, we created extremely good chances and missed them all, so that part of our game simply has to improve.


5.) 15 Jan 2017 21:55:49
Gosh it's either glass empty or glass full with so many of the posters on here. How about taking the middle ground. Yes we need a few more players especially to replace Carrick who has been fantastic but cannot carry on forever. We all know Tony V is basically one footed and his crossing can be suspect but he has done very well for us. It's unfair to expect every new player to hit the ground running whatever the price tag. That applies to Pogba and also people have to remember he is under huge pressure and is still a young player certainly in midfield terms. He is a class act and will get better and better as he matures. Zlatan has been amazing. He was amazing last year at PSG but there they played more to his strengths. He is never going to physically be a Usain Bolt but mentally he is very sharp. If our midfield and wide players quicken the tempo and attack more he will find more room to show off his talents. Considering he is alleged not to be doing well his goal tally is pretty good. Then factor in the positive influence he has on the team as a whole and how can anyone deny he has been a big plus for us.
Jose has been in charge for barely five months. Klopp for a year. Kopp doesn't have the distraction of having midweek European competition either. Let's see where we are in another six months time. I really feel that if Jose gets the players he has identified whoever they are then we will be fighting fit on all fronts next year. Lastly Guardiola the supposed messiah has had Tiki Begeuristan and his backroom staff in place for two years before he himself became City manager. Arguably they had a much stronger squad than us at the start of the season. Now look at them.


 

 

 

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09 May 2017 21:38:31
I have no idea whatsoever what those sample clips are all about but great update, thanks!

Could be a record breaking window by the sounds of things. Either way we need it to make us genuine title contenders and, hopefully, at least compete in the champions league. No international tournament so hope we can get the business done nice and early.

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09 May 2017 18:44:22
I hear you FZZ.
Unfortunately we aren't as diehard as Evenzidane though; need to prove yourself more mate.

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08 May 2017 23:37:10
Best post of the thread is from the Ed. Beast is probably the least boring poster on here and although his opinions aren't to some people's liking there is no doubting his passion and support for the club. So think twice before telling anyone to 'do one'.

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01 Apr 2017 08:30:00
Neither have proven themselves to be reliable and consistent enough having been here for a long time, and that's aside from the injury proneness. Replace them.
I would not argue with Michael Keane being one of those replacements.

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23 Dec 2016 21:51:06
Nice one. That last song was quality!

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16 Oct 2017 21:34:04
Good posts gents.

Absorbing for the counter attack for me does not equate to lumping it up to the big lad up top, incidentally one that can't make it stick nor beat a man, not for a team as big and expensive as United.

Playing an overall weaker team in poorer form than you, and catering for their strengths whilst not exploiting their weaknesses, is also not something to admire particularly.

Lastly Sky, in their uniquely irritating way, have ridiculously overhyped the Anfield game for two seasons in a row now and it's ended up a washout. They need to chill out.

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16 Oct 2017 21:20:32
Good point about martial Danny. I said before if he's forced to play as a traditional left winger, ie to track back and cover the whole touchline, then he won't prosper. He's a wide attacker/ inverted winger (or whatever you want to call it these days), who's also arguably our best finisher, and he needs to be played to his strengths.

And having poor excuses for left backs behind him makes matters worse.
That said, he can definitely try harder at times.

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04 Oct 2017 10:30:00
Agree Shappy that Blind is a 'happy medium' between young and darmian in terms of attacking v defending, but that is pretty strong praise for Blind as a left back.

Don't get me wrong I've always liked him and for me he did a sterling job at centre half, but his performances at left back this season have been pretty ordinary. Still I'd agree with you he'd probably the sensible choice (I do not want to start Darmian) .
It's all relative though as LB is a real weakness of a positIon for us whoever plays.

What I do not want to see at anfield is our wide attackers playing as auxiliary full backs!
The most insurance I want to see is Herrera in as an extra midfielder, possibly in for Mata. Though a back three is also a distinct possibility from Jose for this game.

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03 Oct 2017 23:34:57
On recent evidence it has to be young, but there is a chance he'll go Darmian for a more defensive setup, which I would hate by the way.

We can hurt their dodgy defence if we take it to them, I just hope we actually do that rather than revert to any negative tactics. For me the measure of a United side is how we set out at anfield and the etihad. Both games last season were slightly embarrassing so I hope we can apply our new found confidence this year.

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20 Aug 2017 22:54:54
Could be a controversial one but is he better when Mata is not in the team? He and Mata sometimes seem to get in each other's space when they're both playing. We looked a lot quicker and more dangerous in the transition when Mata came off, albeit it was when the swans had to push on leaving space at the back.

Maybe Martial in for Mata against Leicester?

Hope wazza and co can get something at east lands tomorrow night.

Rave