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14 Mar 2018 10:57:18
There are no excuses for the three hours of turgid rubbish that Utd served up against a team that will be knocked out easily in the next round. Imagine what Klopp or Guardiola could do with the attacking players that Utd have? I can't stand watching the team that I love under Mourinho and nothing will change until he's gone.


{Ed007's Note - You do know that Sevilla won THREE straight EL finals prior to Utd's victory last year don't you? Did you think Utd just had to turn up to win?}

1.) 14 Mar 2018 11:26:29
Roger who are the great attacking players?
Lukaku is hitting his usual goal return rash is a kid that might be great.
Martial is a young player who might be great
ibra is finished
Sanchez only in the door
Mata good player but not great.
Who are these great players you speak of.
A squad without afull back of note
Who are are great midfielders.
A price tag doesn't make you great. Great performances make you great.

2.) 14 Mar 2018 11:31:22
Exactly roger everybody left will be rubbing their hands at getting Seville. I can’t believe where we are as a football club since Fergie left. Hundreds of millions spent and serving up utter turgid dross. I preferred the 80’s to this dross.

3.) 14 Mar 2018 11:19:18
Yes ed, a lot of people (not talking about the OP) do think that.

{Ed007's Note - It's footballing snobbery because the vast majority fans of English clubs think that the only good teams in Spain are Barca and Real Madrid or Bayern in Germany when in fact both leagues are technically vastly superior to the EPL.
I did expect - and hope - that Utd would go through but I knew it wouldn't be as easy as some people thought.}

4.) 14 Mar 2018 11:25:06
Top reply Ed . Our players took it very easy yesterday and just thought they would roll Sevilla over. We fully deserved to lose.

{Ed007's Note - People can make all the excuses they want and moan about the manager and players but the fact is in cup football ALL that matters is being in the next round and Sevilla done that and as you say, they fully deserved it. If Utd had won 1-0 last night and went through there'd be a few posts moaning about the performances but they would be easily shot down by the posts saying in cup football being in the next round is the only objective.}

5.) 14 Mar 2018 11:25:41
Aye, and Utd won it last season. Are you seriously trying to defend the wretched football that Utd served up in those three hours? We were way beyond embarrassing in that tie.

{Ed007's Note - No I'm asking why you think a team that's been in and won a European final 3 out of the last 4 years and that have just put Man Utd out of the CL after winning at OT will be knocked out easily in the next round?}

6.) 14 Mar 2018 11:36:35
Yea Liverpool will be rubbing their hands at getting the team that beat them comfortably in the EL final less than 2 years ago.

7.) 14 Mar 2018 11:32:22
Ed 007 you’ve hit the nail on the head. I think not only did most fans, but the manager and players seemed to think it was a case of turning up and we’d win. The atmosphere seemed flat because the fans expected the same, granted they were given nothing to cheer about.

{Ed007's Note - The atmosphere at OT's always flat, Caolan. Far too many prawn sandwich munchers, half 'n' half scarfers and tourists who would rather sit and Tweet or take pictures than actually support the team.}

8.) 14 Mar 2018 11:39:28
ed007 that was sevilla of 2 years ago they sacked their manager mid season because they have been very poor. Madrid smashed them 5-0 coming off a run of 4 la liga games without a win. Atletico madrid and Eibar of all teams put 5 past them just last month. This team was there for the taking we played them like we were some tiny club and they Barcelona or Real madrid in their prime.

{Ed007's Note - Madrid are capable of taking 5 off any team on their day and Eibar are only 6 points behind Sevilla in La Liga. Didn't Man Utd lose to Newcastle a couple of weeks ago, oh and Spurs although I don't know what league results have to do with anything, PSG took 5 off Metz last week after being put out the CL by Madrid, is that the same kind of comparison as you're making? They also beat Marseilles 3-0 in the league and the cup in between losing home and away to Madrid.}

9.) 14 Mar 2018 12:16:16
Liverpool are a much stronger team than two years ago. They and everyone else will be hoping for Seville. Let's not kid ourselves here, or try to make them up to be something they're not.

10.) 14 Mar 2018 12:33:11
It was a bit like watching hazard Costa and co before Jose got sacked when they where just above relegation .
Flat disjointed no passion .

11.) 14 Mar 2018 13:22:16
ed007 a team that routinely concedes 5 goals in a single game isn't exactly as good as you are making it out to be. Of the top 10 teams in La Liga only 1 team has scored lesser goals than Sevilla while only 4 teams in entire la Liga have conceded more goals than Sevilla. They are an average team who will get easily beaten by a top club. We treated them like they were some almighty team we should be scared of and paid for it.

{Ed007's Note - Are you saying that Utd aren't a top club?}

12.) 14 Mar 2018 13:56:45
Until mourinho goes no we aren't. Every time we play a half decent team he reverts to his Stoke city 11 behind the ball defense, that is not what top clubs do.

13.) 14 Mar 2018 16:16:41
To everyone blarting off about liverpool. Did you guys sleep. with the scoursers. So much love in. Granted they play a lot better brand of football and scored lot more thanus.


And before anyone points it out to me, last nights result and performance was f#£king unacceptable. Winning and losing are parts of the game it happens but you have show desire, grit and it seemed the team, bench and fans at the ground, nobody had it.



27 Feb 2017 10:00:57
I'm sick of hearing all of the moaning about that disallowed goal. Cedric played a pass in the direction of a player who was 3 or 4 yards offside. The linesman would have had his eyes on a player who was so blatantly offside and probably assumed that the cross was aimed at him. If that was the case then he was within his rights to consider Bertrand to be interfering with play. The offside rule should be returned to it's former state where there was no need for a linesman to have to consider the nuances of the law within a split second.


1.) 27 Feb 2017 10:47:19
Right, so if the rules were different the linesman would have been correct. But they aren't, so he wasn't.

He got it wrong, it's not controversial.

2.) 27 Feb 2017 10:59:07
Stephens should have been sent of but .
Things even out eventually. We have been on the wrong side of some calls for a while this season. Maybe it is our turn.

3.) 27 Feb 2017 11:13:45
Romeu could have walked too for the forearm/ elbow.

4.) 27 Feb 2017 12:18:47

I wasn't claiming that it wasn't the wrong decision I was just suggesting that it wasn't the "disgusting" decision that Matt Le Tissier and many others thought it was. There is a perfectly valid argument to suggest that Bertrand was interfering with play if you were the linesman and thought that Cedric's cross was aimed at Bertrand. Perhaps people should direct some of their fury at Bertrand's brainless decision to wander 3 or 4 yards offside. I think the vast majority of linesmen would have put their flag up in similar circumstances. Offside should be a matter of fact and not one of interpretation.

5.) 27 Feb 2017 12:35:05
He wasn't interfering with play though and linesmen have time to think about their decision. He didn't have to flag straight away.

6.) 27 Feb 2017 12:44:14
The goal should have been allowed, the linesman was wrong we got lucky. Stephens tackle was only a yellow.
Yet we scored and ground out a result. Lots happen in a game of football and its all part of it. We had some shocking decisions go against us as well.
Nothing to moan about.

7.) 27 Feb 2017 12:26:34
I think it was a fair goal - best way to judge it is to think how you would be feel if it was a Utd goal.

I do agree that the rules on offside need simplifying.

Should be if anyone is offside it's offside.

8.) 27 Feb 2017 17:39:44
What's the valid argument to suggest he was interfering? I'd genuinely like to hear it. He didn't touch the ball, he wasn't in goalie's eye-line and no defender left another man to mark him.

9.) 27 Feb 2017 18:38:14
Who gives a toss? We won that's all that matters. Don't care what any media numpties say personally. Some you win some you lose.

10.) 27 Feb 2017 21:12:43
I agree with Roger. My son and I were watching it and when the ball was first played, we both shouted "offside". So a linesman has got to make a decision whether the ball was actually played to Bertrand or Gabbiadini in a split second. It is very ambiguous.
I honestly think the ball was actually played towards Bertrand but it was Gabbiadin's alertness that got him there.
But of course, if that useless player we call a centre back had not been sleeping as he had for most of the game, then he should have easily cleared it and this discussion will not be happening.



18 Sep 2016 16:29:44
Paul Pogba is comfortably the most over-rated footballer in my near 50 years of following football. Quite how he got his reputation as one of the world's elite players is a complete and utter mystery to me. It seems to have been forged on bullying weak Serie A sides while playing alongside Pirlo and Vidal in a team that is totally dominant in its league. Terrible signing for the money.


1.) 18 Sep 2016 18:49:09
If he did not hit the upright he'd have been man of the match for us.
Fine margins Roger.



12 Jan 2015 12:05:12
Hello everybody, I'm a first time poster who has enjoyed the site for some time. I'm a worried Utd fan. Let's get things straight, LVG is not doing a very good job. Recent good results have papered over a series of poor performances. This team is horrible to watch. Ponderous build up play, endless passing backwards and a chronic lack of pace. There is a deep malaise at Utd. Every team we play look fitter, quicker and stronger.
Juan Mata was sublime for Chelsea. He was invariably their best player. He is a shadow of that player. Di Maria was one of Madrid's best performers and he started off superbly for Utd. He has looked a mile away from being a £60m player since those early games. RVP was the league's best striker under Fergie, he's now a sulky lethargic shadow of that player. The lack of pace in the team is a real worry yet it was self inflicted by getting rid of Nani, Hernadez, Welbeck and Zaha. Erratic performers all of them, but pace is paramount in modern football. It can of course be compensated for by moving the ball around with speed, but there is none of that. The football is awful to watch and is every bit as frustrating as last season under Moyes. Sorry for the pessimism but that's how I feel watching this crud every week.


1.) We have two problems, the formation and we are lacking some crucial personnel.

We need to play the 4-3-3, it is the best formation. One striker up top and two fast wingers, we only have one but if we had kept Nani and he had performed then we could of had Nani and Di Maria either side of Falcao or Van Persie. Secondly we have what looks like a make shift defense even when we have the necessary players fit. Thirdly we are lacking a box to box midfielder who is crucial to the 4-3-3 system.

2.) 12 Jan 2015 13:00:10
Nani had years and years to cement his place, he flopped. Not good enough. So forget Nani

3.) We need a better Nani for sure. But I wouldn't of let him go out on loan when realistically, we have no one to replace him in that position that has any skill.

4.) Good post Roger.

You are bang on about ADM as well, it isn't a coincidence for me that once LVG's methods started to have an impact after a few games his form dropped off before the injury. Our players look jaded despite playing less games than any other team, they do not move for the 2nd or 3rd ball, the movement/laziness is shocking unless the ball is close by.

5.) 12 Jan 2015 14:53:06
Fresh, Herrera is a box to box midfielder, a good one at that I don't understand why LvG doesn't rate him that highly. He can pass, score, tackle, run, create, and most of all has a great attitude.

I also think that ADM looks like he's being a bit selfish at times, going for glory or he's just trying too hard to impress.

6.) Oz - I think Herrera occasionally gives the ball away needlessly, LVG despises this. I really rate Herrera but that seems to be the only possible reason he doesn't fancy him, his energy, guile and tackling make up for his occasional poor pass though for me - it is beyond strange that he isn't playing, same as Falcao though.

7.) 12 Jan 2015 16:13:57
I thought the reason lvg dropped Herrera was because some fans and pundits were getting on his back because in the EPL u need strength and height to defend against set plays, long balls and over physical teams hence why fellani was bought back in. However I could be wrong.

{Ed001's Note - LVG does not make changes due to what fans and pundits say CTR. He is not happy with Herrera and has chosen to look at other options in the centre of the pitch. It is not because of fans and pundits, he is more likely to dig his heels in than listen to those.}

8.) 12 Jan 2015 16:30:12
Ahhh well then I am wrong ed, but the change did seem to come about after it was highlighted by many that u need height and power.

{Ed001's Note - it may well have done, but it had more to do with a personality clash according to people close to Herrera, hence him warming the bench.}

9.) 12 Jan 2015 16:53:13
That's a shame because I really rate ander and I know u do to mate

10.) Ed001

I remember what you said a while back when we met on this guy and you seem to be spot on and it is all happening.

You think he will survive the season if we start going the wrong way in the standings or they will make an early call and try and salvage a top 4.

{Ed001's Note - it depends on how bad it gets, if he loses the dressing room completely then he will be gone straight away. His attitude is not suited to man-management sadly. Shame because I think the Premier League is always better when teams are stronger. I still want to see Man Utd lose to Southampton, for instance, but it is so much better when it is a great United side being beaten. When you have a team with issues behind the scenes causing disjointed performances, then it is difficult to get excited when they get beat.

I would be surprised if van Gaal was still in the post next season, unless he can turn things around in a major way. If he is going to do so, he will need to change the training and fix his treatment of players. These players are not naughty children, they are grown men, they need to be treated as such.

Ferguson had his faults, but one thing he knew was how to manage his players and win their respect. The famous hair dryer was not employed regularly, it was more about respect. They respected him and wanted to win for him. LVG is starting to turn more and more players against him, it can only end one way if he doesn't stop the rot.}

11.) When LVG was named as manager, I was slightly concerned, because I know he can be a hard guy to work with, and his track record says at much. But I also thought he was exactly what we needed: A manager who would stamp his authority and get the best out of the players. Up-until now, I was quite pleased with how things have gone given the amount of injuries etc; but after yesterday, I have to admit being completely baffled with his team selection. I also was baffled with Falcao not starting the game, let-alone now even being on the bench. I just fail to understand the managers logic with regards to yesterdays game.

Next week will tell us a lot IMO.

12.) I suppose the lesson here is a leopard doesn't change its spots!

13.) Sam

I agree. In a way the RVP injury will allow him to manage the Aguero situation and save face.

The team set up will be interesting s QPR is a very tough ground to get a win.

14.) Thanks ed001. I totally agree about Fergie and remember Steve Bruce telling a story about Cantona, who showed up to a function wearing tennis shoes when the players were told to dress formal.

They thought fergie would have him, but supposedly fergie said when you can play like him you can also wear tennis shoes in good banter.

Travelling to London for some work and have tickets for QPR but believe it or not will skip it and come back early as I can not stand watching us play like this.

Is there a major fall out with Falcao and how do you see that developing.

{Ed001's Note - from what I am told LVG has already decided he is not going to be good enough and thinks it was a mistake. People are saying he just doesn't want him to succeed as it would mean putting van Persie's time at the club at an end. I am not sure how that meshes, so I am not convinced by that. I don't know how Falcao staying would mean RVP going, but that is the suggestion. I personally think that LVG has caused such bad feeling that now people are just using any excuse as a reason. RVP seems to have become the target now, as he is seen as van Gaal's blue eyed boy.

The problem I see is that such turmoil between a manager and the rest of the club is not good for promoting a good team spirit. When people feel they are treated unfairly, they very rarely go out and give their all, as they tend to feel dispirited and lose focus.

As for you missing out on QPR, I am surprised, I would have thought now would be a good time to watch closely and check out the spirit on the pitch. QPR are not a good side but they are putting in some decent performances at home. What is the betting if you do go it will be woeful, if you don't go it will be the game of the season?}

15.) Ed001,

I am not sure what Falcao has done wrong. He might not be hitting the heights he was a few years back, but I think he still has immense talent; and given a run, would deliver.

I hope it is all speculation, and Falcao starts against QPR and bags a hat-trick. :)

{Ed001's Note - he is coming back from a long injury lay off, it will take him time to get back to his best. If he can do so.}

16.) Ed001

LOL, you are probably right and we will score 6 for all I know.

Regarding Falcao, I am surprised as he would have surely sanctioned the deal and this is not some nobody coming in a low cost and it would be an incredible mistake in judgement by him.

I am not sure how he can make that call as the guy has hardly had a run out in a set up that is lethargic and hardly creating anything.

He should look at himself first and take responsibility. We seem to be recycling the ball whilst going no where and playing 30 yard balls over the top to try and break down defences, which is all new to me in watching united all these years. I don't think it is no coincidence and we must be practicing this in training.

17.) 12 Jan 2015 19:43:51
Gcu so are u saying u have tickets to the game u are not going? Really?

18.) Yep. I am done with my meetings on Friday and had originally booked a Sunday flight back to stay on and go to the game with a friend of mine who is a QPR supporter and changed to fly back on Saturday.

I have never been this frustrated with a united team or it's set up and quite disheartened with what I am seeing and what a waste of utilising such talented players.

I would bet the house Fergie would have us sitting near the top or top of the league with this team and how we miss him.

We were bad in the mid 2000s when we bought Alan Smith and co but even that team was better to watch than this one.

{Ed001's Note - I agree that Fergie would be challenging with this team, but there are very few that can do the same.}

19.) 12 Jan 2015 23:54:34

Words fail me

20.) GDS

Its okay you are on a roll at the moment and save it for explaining what we may witness in the next few weeks.

21.) 14 Jan 2015 13:12:43

The thing is mate, I go to the games because I love the club, not because they are the best. Obviously we want them to be, but sometimes football clubs have bad times, its these bad times that prove who the real fans are, who stick with the club through thick and thin. Not going because we aren't playing well, no wonder other fans call us glory hunters.




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15 Mar 2017 08:10:32
When? I wouldn't back us to beat anybody at the moment. I think "if" was the word you were looking for.





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28 Apr 2018 07:59:52
Billy McNeill did it with Man City and ASton Villa in 1986/ 7.




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14 Mar 2018 15:09:57
I know who it is that I'd like to see leave.


{Ed002's Note - The club has a number of targets for each of the positions they are looking to address. I would not get toop wrapped up in the numbers.}



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14 Mar 2018 11:25:41
Aye, and Utd won it last season. Are you seriously trying to defend the wretched football that Utd served up in those three hours? We were way beyond embarrassing in that tie.


{Ed007's Note - No I'm asking why you think a team that's been in and won a European final 3 out of the last 4 years and that have just put Man Utd out of the CL after winning at OT will be knocked out easily in the next round?}



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21 Jul 2017 10:49:25
Hello Jackson. I've always wondered why Jose gets stick for not bringing through young players at Chelsea when none of their other numerous managers have done so either. The last first team regular to come through the youth system at Chelsea was John Terry 15 years ago.




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09 Jul 2017 10:19:32
His stats are mightily impressive and they have been achieved playing for WBA and Everton.