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05 Mar 2017 21:16:18
I think the problem is not just our own current standard, but the standard of the EPL in general compared to the top CL teams.

Leicester winning the league last seasoned summed it up but it got lost in people talking about a fairytale win. never mind that Chelsea, Arsenal, City and ourselves have dropped way off.

Look at this years how EPL teams have performed in the CL the past few seasons. Bayern coasting past Arsenal this year says it all.

Roy Keane summed it up. "who have we beat"

10 draws this season against average opposition is not moving in the right direction.

I've said it before and it's still the same. We are not good enough to win the league, and even if we do the step up to competing against Barca, Real, Bayern and the emerging PSG is vast.

We are better than the past few seasons, but our standards and what is being accepted on here, have dropped alarmingly.

We won a cup but my eyes said we played off the park by Southampton and were very very lucky to win.

So what if we fail to qualify for CL next year. will the penny drop?

I fully support the team, but enough of the we're getting better. maybe if we buy Kroos, Varane and Griezmann. but that's the level of player it will take.

The optimist in me says, Liverpool and Arsenal will miss out. but we're still way short of where we need to be. otherwise we very soon become like Liverpool, maybe next year.

Just one supporters opinion.


1.) 05 Mar 2017 22:05:04
Will the penny drop? The thing is nobody on here is saying we're good enough to win the league or compete in Europe. It's plainly obvious we're not good enough to win the league. But progress is being made. Do you think Jose can't see where things need improving in the summer? Do you think he thinks we're ready to win the league or challenge Madrid or Barca?

The problem is here too many failed to realise just how far we fell in 3 years under Moyes and LVG, and how much work is needed to get back to the top! Jose has been with us for 6 months, yet people are complaining that we're not good enough to win the league. 6 months. Seriously a lot of you need to get some perspective and have some patience. We are improving, there no doubt about that.

2.) 05 Mar 2017 22:21:31
Thank you stand for that post I agree with it all. This site is toxic at the moment with people with a lack of patience and perspective. Van gaal and moyes destroyed us and set us back about five years in my opinion. Jose has come in and has only had 8 months to work at it. Yes he has spent money but it is more than that. The mentality in the club has been wrong and rotten in my opinion. Jose has tried to fix that and that doesn't happen over night. We could win the Europa league this year and get champions league football and certain people on this site will still criticise. People criticise the players for the lack of loyalty and money grabbing but impatient fans who demand instant success are just as bad as the players. Listening to the comments on this site the past couple of days you would have thought we were in a relegation scrap. Let's assess at the end of the season and go from there.

3.) 05 Mar 2017 22:33:33
Il second that stand. Well said.

4.) 05 Mar 2017 22:34:48

Too many do not realise that the fall started under SAF when he didn't buy suitable players, probably as far back as when Ronaldo left. Some on here don't appreciate the damage of appointing Moyes and then bringing in LVG without realising it would change our playing style. The transition plan was shocking given the time the club had to plan it. We witnessed disorganised chaos and a disjointed plan in the transfer market.

The idea that it just needs the flick of a switch to get everything working is naive at best.

5.) 05 Mar 2017 22:44:45
Well put guys, remember Rome didn't get build in a day, this is going to take time, patience and loyalty from the fans.

6.) 05 Mar 2017 23:45:56
Red man, couldn't agree more. The last few years under Fergie were poor, we won the league purely down the Van Perdue that last season. The squad had been neglected for a good couple of years. As you say, from Ronald I leaving onwards. Jose has to undo 4 or 5 years of dross in all honesty. It's going to take time and I'm happy to give it.

{Ed004's Note - I think the key difference we are seeing this season is blatant improvement. We struggled to get one shot on target a game with Van Gaal at times. Nowadays we are complaining we only scored once after 33 shots (Burnley). One last point how many players that we signed last summer are still in this team? Our transfer record has been appalling the last few seasons and Mourinho has to start from scratch and get a tonne of players off the books who aren't good enough. Atleast his signings have all had impacts (positive imo) this season and will all be key players next season (maybe Ibra less so due to age)}

7.) 06 Mar 2017 02:30:51
Great points, gents. It will probably take another three transfer windows to truly get us back to the top as long as there is a plan in place and the club fully back the manager, as he is clearly doing a very good job under the circumstances that have been mentioned, namely the lack of investment when it truly mattered back when we were at the top. We are now playing catch-up, which has been made worse by the previous managers. Now, we have a top manager who clearly has a plan, and is in the process of executing it.

8.) 06 Mar 2017 03:18:23
Stand you are right when you say no one expects man utd to win the pl this season, how many people had us finishing outside top 4. I agree with redman and ed004 there is clear improvement to see in our football but what is the end result it still will be outside top 4 finish and no cl unless we win europa, i don't think we should sack mourinho even if we don't get cl, but will it be a great improvement as people suggest it has been if that happens.

9.) 06 Mar 2017 07:12:01
Toxic? I think it has been much better lately. People still point out what they see as issues but generally it feels optimistic for the future.

10.) 06 Mar 2017 07:55:33
The site has been miles better, the over reaction is nuts we played well saturday . Never won won, should off it happens, move on
. ibra puts a chance or a pen away and we would be great, he never and its all " the rot started under fergy "

11.) 06 Mar 2017 08:18:06
Well said stand and redman.

12.) 06 Mar 2017 09:18:24
Red Man, although not your first choice, I seem to remember you giving your support to LVG's appointment, mainly because he wasn't Moyes, and lecturing those of us who had our doubts, to get behind him. That was before your road to Damascus conversion, when you woke up one morning and led a rallying cry to get rid of him. Now you're claiming his appointment was damaging. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

13.) 06 Mar 2017 13:04:39

You will remember that after Moyes I campaigned for Klopp. Lvg was not my choice but if you recall I said that appointing him would necessitate a change of playing style which would be a long term option, define a new identity in our playing style. I supported the move forward from Moyes but only changed on lvg when it became obvious it would not work.

14.) 06 Mar 2017 16:09:36
RedMan - Things become obvious to people quicker than others.

To me it has become obvious that the speed of improvement is not as quick as required. Despite Jose doing better than LVG it is still not as good as required. Chelsea, City and Spurs are getting stronger. We play well one game then poor the next few. Give any half decent manager 3 windows and £350m to spend and they would have us playing better.

Jose should have this bunch playing better more regularly than they are FACT.

15.) 06 Mar 2017 18:19:26
To be fair we are a few players short yet. Martial and Rashford are kids and half the team is in its twilight. We'll look much stronger after the summer and the following summer I expect us to be back up with Bayern and Barcelona et al. Could really do with champs league though.



29 Oct 2016 19:52:55
Feels like the season is already slipping away with respect to the league - it just feels like, as with the past few seasons - we are peripheral and not in contention.

As always it feels the tempo is too slow, not enough urgency. Pretty much same as past few seasons. and please don't give me it was Heaton playing a blinder, he was very good, but it was at home and Burnley are Championship standard. Very poor result. Winners win these games.

A lot of areas where it felt we were progressing have stalled. Defence looks suspect - the Chelsea game (and I don't think Chelsea will challenge) summed it up - lacks a leader with a brain.

Up front, it's either an old warhorse in Zlatan or young pacey inexperienced options, with Rooney a shadow of himself.

Midfield - Pogba, please show the f**k up.
Felaini - please sell him, same with Depay. Still no Carrick?
Mata our best player today subbed off?

Just don't see any possibility in the league and CL will be tough.

It is what it is, we are just not good enough.


1.) 29 Oct 2016 20:06:41
We should have won, but if you think pogba didn't show up today you're wrong. He ran, he passed long, he passed short, he created chances, his link up play was excellent, he even tackled well.
I think you've just seen the result and based everything on that.

2.) 29 Oct 2016 20:14:46
No I watched it, so please enough being a patronising best game Pogba has played I'd say, but still miles short of what I expect from a top tier midfielder. We spent 90million on him so I judge him on that expectation, if you don't then why exactly did we buy him?

3.) 29 Oct 2016 20:28:35
Sorry to come off as patronizing. I wasn't trying to be. But you are simply wrong. Really, our midfield trio was excellent to say the least. Mata, hererra and pogba were the reason we were so dominant. If anything our front three were poor, all for different reasons.

The truth is if we'd put 5 past them, we'd be hear talking about how great everyone was. Poor pogba, The guy just can't win. He literally did everything today. If someone like artuto vidal put on such a show, everybody put be raving on about him.

4.) 29 Oct 2016 20:56:53
See that's the problem. The fee I don't care about, but the club obviously felt he was a game changer type player to justify the fee. He is not performing like a game changing midfielder.
We are no better, relatively speaking than the past few seasons, and now on our 3rd manager.
The tempo, the urgency and the will to win is sorely lacking.
No disrespect to Burnley, but they are a Championship team full of Championship (at best) players. It wasn't Man City, Barca, Bayern. Marney, Mee. so we need to be honest about what os wrong before we can fix it. Mata, Herrera and Pogba should look good against this level of opposition.
If it was a one off performance, fine, it's football, and on any given day. but this has been the norm since SAF left and the winners at the club moved on / retired.
This team are not contenders, and that is what is hard to accept, otherwise, you become Liverpool.

5.) 29 Oct 2016 23:12:15
Pogba was fantastic today. Easily his best performance.

6.) 30 Oct 2016 01:48:07
Pogba was fantastic by the standards he has set himself since re-signing. On any other yard stick he was simply average, against a very poor Burnley side.

7.) 30 Oct 2016 02:06:33
Also these are pogba's stats for today
90 minutes played
- 6 chances created
- 4 take ons
- 6 ball recoveries
- 6 shots
- 86/ 97 passes completed

If that isn't good enough then you have some ridiculously high standards which no player is going to meet.

8.) 30 Oct 2016 01:43:44
Scotbos but that is bs, if yesterday was like how it has been since fergie left then you haven't watched the 3 seasons or this season, we created chance after chance but couldn't score. We had 37 shots highest since some 2004 game, we hit the post twice and their keeper turned into a monster, so i have no clue where you seem to be getting your opinion from and that is true for most of our games, we have missed big chances every game, barring watford and Chelsea we have played decent football. We deserved a point against city, should have won against stoke and burnley all cases zlatan let us down.

Now onto pogba, people have this wierd notion about him, he isn't scholes or gerrard or someone who will take control of the game and dictate the game, he is some one who will always be in and out of the game but will come up with moments of brilliance he did that yesterday, created 3-4 chances not his fault strikers couldn't finish.



10 Jul 2016 20:38:55
I keep watching Pogba, hoping to see what so many on here are raving about - and I qualify it by recognising that a lot of top players have not played to the expected standard in the Euros.
That said, for a 100m how can a player be so annoymous? Regardless of the new norm in transfer values, top dollar should mean world class, game changing ability - Messi, Ronaldo (at his peak), Zidane. not someone who might be world class.
I watched the Copa America where Vidal and Sanchez were amazing - 2 players you could probably get for the same money as we are reported to be planning to spend on Pogba.
Pogba MAY (and there is no guarantee) may become an amazing player - but he certainly isn't at the level yet.
I'd rather buy Kroos and Varane and give Madrid the money to over pay for Pogba.
I'd even say I agree with 'Arry who said he'd take Delli Ali over Pogba.
If we sign him then hopefully he delivers - but I've seen nothing to support the hype.


1.) 10 Jul 2016 21:05:34
He is a good player could turn out to be great but i don't get the hype .
He plays at this level with juve most times i watch him.

2.) 10 Jul 2016 21:05:44
Just thought I would come on here and see if anybody had mentioned pogba after watching him for 45 minutes tonight, and this is the first post.

I was expecting somebody to say why aren't we signing sissoko though I'll be honest. Judging people on international performances is just pointless. We all know how bad Nani is but he's actually looked OK in this tournament.

3.) 10 Jul 2016 21:27:59
GDS, I qualified my statement with respect to the Euros - Pogba is just not as good as the hype suggests and at 100m it's a joke - he should be a major influence on any game on any stage at that price.
His agent got him the move to Juve and too many are crying at what potential we let leave, but 100m for this level of performance? Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
A lot of options that I'd take over Pogba. I'd Madrid have him.

4.) 10 Jul 2016 21:33:30
We could be getting one of the best prospects in the game. Ignore the fees because that's the way money is in football now. In 10 years, it could cost 100 million to buy someone at the level of Andy Carrol. There's nothing we can do about it now. A bit like how a pint of lager cost 50p years ago. The fee is just a good way of putting him down when he doesn't get a hattrick every game.

5.) 10 Jul 2016 21:36:07
Always rated Pogba and Carvalho either one would be an upgrade 😆😆.

6.) 10 Jul 2016 21:56:41
Again you can't base judgement of a player on one game. But everyone keeps saying Pogba is the man with the ability to add energy to our midfield, someone to pick the ball up and run at teams when they sit deep.

Portugal have done exactly that, and Pogba is being outshined by Moussa Sissoko.

Personally the more I see of Renato Sanches the more I feel we missed the boat.

7.) 10 Jul 2016 21:57:16
Forget the money.
Is he a world beater is he a great player?
I think he will be in the years to come but he might not .

A french barkley.

8.) 10 Jul 2016 21:57:30
Look at it another way - 100m should mean an exceptional player, top 1-3 in the world.
So why are Chelsea (Conte must know him inside out / Billionaire backer), Man City (most on here were salivating hoping he'd replace LVG) and Madrid (easily sell a couple of players, Morata, James, Kroos to name a few to fund the deal) .
Why are they not all clamouring for this exceptional talent?
Bayern bought Vidal - better than Pogba - while we dithered - now they've added real potential in Renato Sanches.
I'll say it again - and yes the fee DOES matter - why not add another 20m on top every time United come to call - Pogba is NOT worth 100m and is VERY over rated.

9.) 10 Jul 2016 22:04:23
Pogba's agent might be the greatest marketeer in history, never have I seen a player so over hyped. Wait, Rooney, maybe Rooney but he's still only 2nd.

10.) 10 Jul 2016 22:06:28
He's playing cdm, obviously been told to just sit in front of the back four all game and since Portugal have offered nothing in attack he's had nothing to do. Him not getting forwards and getting involved isn't out of choice it's his role for this match.
He's put in a few very good tackles, and made a few good passes, not really put a foot wrong.

11.) 10 Jul 2016 22:17:53
Would say assisting goals is a major influence which he done against Germany for the second, he scored and assisted in the quarters as well against Iceland?

12.) 10 Jul 2016 22:20:43
If they could afford him, I'm sure most would be in for him. Doesn't matter who has billionaire backers, there is fffp to comply with. And a French Ross Barkley? Seriously? That's a bit silly. You tell me would you put him in city's team, arsenals, Chelsea's, barca's, psg's, real Madrid's? Because I'd put him in every one of them. Only team I probably wouldn't at the minute is Bayer Munich.

13.) 10 Jul 2016 22:48:02
Surely a player is worth whatever a club is willing to pay for him?

14.) 10 Jul 2016 22:51:38
Bayern don't need him because they have a better player in Vidal and just as much potential for half the price in Renato.
That's how you do business - not over pay for over hyped players - Madrid could easily buy him, same for Chelsea and City - if he was so good and genuinely worth 100m - do you think they wouldn't - get real.
Let's say it was a player really worth 100m, like Messi, they'd all stand by and let United have him unopposed? No they'd do everything they could to make it happen.
Funny how no else is willing to pay 100m - oh yeah, but let's forget about the fee - might as well stick our fingers in our ears and say can't hear you.
I tell you now we pay 100m we're mugs and every supporter at every ground will make that point with every under whelming performance. no pressure on the lad then.
$50m at todays value - not worth anymore.

15.) 10 Jul 2016 23:21:16
Good post theme. Pogba would get into into nearly every club team in the world.
The money reported is way over the top imo but I still want him in our team.
He is a very different player to any other record transfer fee such as bale or Ronaldo. He is not going to win as many games as they do with flashes if brilliance he won't score 20 goals a season but imo he will be the driving force of our team for the next few years just like the likes of Robson and Keane were before him.
If and I agree its still a big IF he does go on to be like them then it's money well spent.
Both Robson and Keane were record fees at the time and both were bought on their potential both fulfilled it to the max at our club I'm willing to believe pogba will do the same.
He has bi g shoes to fill but imo that's what we are buying the next potential midfield driving force.
Yes the fee is crazy but if he turns out as good as either of those two and that's what he had to do imo then he will have justified his price tag.
That's the challenge he has and i think he is up to it.
Some have come and lived up to their hype. Rooney rvn Rio Keane robso all at record fees.
Some have failed adm veron barthez.
I'm backing pogba to be in with the elite group of successes. Over the next 3 to 4 years he has to be driving us to titles and drag the team through tough matches I am sure he had the right character and will match up to those that have fine before him.

16.) 11 Jul 2016 00:01:20
He will move again for the next contract, so we won't have him more than 5years and will lose him on a free.

17.) 11 Jul 2016 00:35:53
He will have a5 year contract do won't lose him on a free. if he doesn't sign a new contact after 3 years as he did with juve he well be sold for big money. But if we are winning leagues and a cl he will sign a new contact. he is ahuge earner niw si as we will see not many other can imorove or even afford his money so a move will be more difficult to engineer than you might think. Unless he wants to take a pay cut.

18.) 11 Jul 2016 06:02:13
Rooney really can't win can he? Even when it comes to being overhyped he only comes second?
On to pogba why bash the boy? He doesn't set the fees bash the board his agent Juve for setting such a price. Bash enron, Merrill Lynch the freaking illuminati or the new world order but pogba is just a footballer a good one that I would love to see playing for United.
Will he improve us immensely? No question about that. If we have the cash let's pay a lot of it will get offset by outgoings and potato chips sales in Asia anyway. Que the disagrees.

19.) 11 Jul 2016 09:28:46

People just like to moan mate, if we weren't spending the money they would be moaning about the Glazers, now we are on players who will improve us they moan about that too.



14 Dec 2015 20:34:35
Oh yeah I forgot. Vardy is not good enough.




11 Nov 2015 18:26:34
Read a good article the other day with Warren Joyce talking about Nick Powell.

From the first time I saw this kid play for us I knew he had talent, great balance and touch, the stuff you're either born with or you're not.

I really rate this kid and hope he gets back on track after his prolonged injury.

I'd go as far as saying a healthy, motivated Powell would make it into the first team.

Good to see direct quotes too from someone who actually knows how to assess the player and not the usual sound bites thrown out about a poor attitude and lack of commitment holding him back.

I've got a feeling he will, eventually, do very well for us.


1.) 11 Nov 2015 19:16:06
The issue appears to be motivation, it appears he doesn't really want to be a footballer.

2.) 11 Nov 2015 23:18:15
Take it from someone who knows a lot of people who know him and have played with him, he doesn't want to be a footballer.

3.) 12 Nov 2015 13:22:31
So why become a footballer?

4.) 12 Nov 2015 21:25:04
Anon, any chance you could expand a little? Are his aspirations elsewhere, or is he just a lazy little so and so lol?

5.) 13 Nov 2015 05:29:34

There have been huge questions over his attitude and applIcation. Sometimes he on here knows his brother and said that he never really loved the game and was thinks NLG of leaving football entirely.




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03 Feb 2018 22:18:57
"City may be the best team ever to grace the English first division". seriously?

Not taking exception at you personally - because this is something we're hearing all the time in the media, and I'm getting sick of it.

If this City team goes on to dominant the league then fair enough but to compare them to the best we've seen just in the Premier league era alone they're not even close.

The standard in the league has dropped significantly imo - Leicester winning the league being the case in point - and that major fact needs to be taken into account.

Beyond that, in those more competitive leagues, the best Chelsea team with Drogba in full flow would throttle this City side, as would the best United sides with Cantona, Keano, Scholes, Rooney and so many more, as with the Arsenal invincibles.

Likewise ask any Liverpool fan with Dalglish and Rush and their dominance and they'd say the same.

This City team are good, and the bar needs to be raised, but not to new unseen levels, just to get back to what we're more used to at United!




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22 Jan 2018 21:34:55
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21 Jan 2018 15:05:20
Just finished reading the article in the Mail too from Oliver Holt. if you've not read it you should, one of the best I've read, where he basically says he doesn't get the outpouring of "outrage and sanctimony" directed at United and that in fact we've got ourselves a "steal" - I couldn't agree more!

I do find the view from the outside looking in on what we're doing interesting. especially the ex pros and the fans. jealousy is such a poor quality :)

Seriously though, and more importantly, the playing field following the Neymar deal has changed. and the top players at Spurs at Liverpool, City and Chelsea, and more importantly their agents. will be taking note.

I think those fans need to worry about their own clubs holding onto their best talent and not worry about what we can afford to pay.




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29 Oct 2016 20:56:53
See that's the problem. The fee I don't care about, but the club obviously felt he was a game changer type player to justify the fee. He is not performing like a game changing midfielder.
We are no better, relatively speaking than the past few seasons, and now on our 3rd manager.
The tempo, the urgency and the will to win is sorely lacking.
No disrespect to Burnley, but they are a Championship team full of Championship (at best) players. It wasn't Man City, Barca, Bayern. Marney, Mee. so we need to be honest about what os wrong before we can fix it. Mata, Herrera and Pogba should look good against this level of opposition.
If it was a one off performance, fine, it's football, and on any given day. but this has been the norm since SAF left and the winners at the club moved on / retired.
This team are not contenders, and that is what is hard to accept, otherwise, you become Liverpool.




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29 Oct 2016 20:14:46
No I watched it, so please enough being a patronising best game Pogba has played I'd say, but still miles short of what I expect from a top tier midfielder. We spent 90million on him so I judge him on that expectation, if you don't then why exactly did we buy him?