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12 Mar 2024 07:39:06
{Ed's Note - Seano_ has posted a new article entitled, Liverpool vs Manchester City: Review
1.) 12 Mar 2024 11:18:10
As a United fan I do get a good laugh when poor decisions go against Liverpool, but to be honest I'm utterly shocked that Doku didn't get sent off for his chest high, studs up challenge.
It is a high foot, and it was dangerous. Absolutely no excuse for Michael Oliver not to make that call and even worse that VAR stood by and did nothing.
That one decision could effect where the league title ends up this season. The whole point of VAR was to remove clear and obvious errors.
I don't necessarily want VAR removed from the game, I think it could be used very effectively, if used in the right way for football.
The problem seems to be that it's run exclusively by referees who don't want to publicly state a colleague has made a mistake by over ruling an on pitch decision.
Even when they do question the decision they get the ob pitch referee to review it on a pitch side monitor and decide whether to change their decision. Which seems like massive overkill given it's a qualified referee working the VAR, someone who knows the rules of the game and takes charge of matches themselves.
They know if the decision was wrong or not, why waste time showing the on pitch Ref where he went wrong. Change the decision and keep the game going.
As a added bonus it'd make games harder to fix as you'd have two officials (when an error has occurred) making decisions rather than one.
2.) 12 Mar 2024 12:20:34
Shappy
Agreed, I thought it was a stonewall penalty for Liverpool. Don’t understand how it was dismissed and quickly.
3.) 12 Mar 2024 12:53:54
Agreed Shappy, on both points.
4.) 12 Mar 2024 13:32:39
The ref on the pitch must make the final decision.
If you take the authority away from the man in the middle then there is no point in having them, the more they are undermined the less respect they will get imo.
5.) 12 Mar 2024 14:20:52
VAR has become a joke, it was a clear and obvious error but referees are loathe to highlight their colleagues' errors.
6.) 12 Mar 2024 14:28:12
My bugbear is players still surrounding the ref after literally every big decision. It's literally the only sport where every decision is questioned. Thought they were doing something about it.
7.) 12 Mar 2024 14:35:32
It's like they are afraid to admit they are unsure. With the sites of the game now it's very reasonable for refs to be unsure and take advice from var.
Again the laws are subjective in too many cases so that will lead to inconsistent judgements.
Should be like rugby where the ref reviews with the var official and we should be able to hear their rationale.
8.) 12 Mar 2024 14:56:13
I was sat with my Liverpool supporting brother in law during the game. He had a meltdown after that decision, I wasn't so bothered. Hoping for Arsenal to win it this year.
9.) 12 Mar 2024 15:00:22
It perfectly sums how farcical VAR actually is. It is being implemented by clowns.
10.) 12 Mar 2024 15:50:17
The scousers weren’t too bothered when they never returned the ball to Forest last week and scored.
11.) 12 Mar 2024 16:35:03
Ken, I don't think it does take away from the on pitch Ref's authority. It's already a team of officials running a game, the Ref, the linesmen, the , and since the introduction of VAR they are a part of the decision making team.
The whole point of VAR is to correct mistakes made by Ref's through the use of video replay and multiply camera angles. Being able to see the things that the Ref cannot see.
I see no reason why a fully qualified referee who has the advantage of seeing the incident from multiple angles, several times and potentially slowed down cannot make the call.
Slowing down the game more than it needs to just takes away from the spectacle of the game and makes matches less enjoyable.
The game has got too big for clear an obvious errors to be allowed to persist. Wrong decisions effect both ends of the table and can potentially cost teams hundreds of millions as well as potential glory.
We can't allow a situation where billions of people around the world know there has been a potentially result altering mistake made but the guy in the middle making the decisions is completely oblivious. That's madness.
However, football is a very different sport to Rugby, Cricket or Tennis where this technology has been used successfully before. Those are slower paced, more stop start games. They also have much clearer rules less open to interpretation.
As such the use of VAR in football needs to be used differently.
Where possible any and all ambiguity should be removed from the rules. That's just good for the sport in general. You can't have similar incidents being adjudicated differently on the same weekend. Imagine if on the final day of the season the title as well as who gets relegated are still undecided. Then two similar incidents happen at opposite ends of the table, on decision is given and the other isn't. Both handing the title to one team while condemning another to relegation.
The rules need to be clear and not open for interpretation.
I think VAR decisions should be being reviewed live while the game continues where possible. If the VAR official believes the wrong decision has been made they overrule it and play is brought back.
They should be restricted to 30 seconds, if it takes longer then it is neither a clear or obvious error.
There is automated offside technology, this should be used instead of VAR as video analysis of offsides takes too long with VAR (unless it's clear and obvious) .
The officials microphone conversations should be live broadcast, as well as what the VAR official is reviewing both to a TV audience and in the stadium.
There is the suggestions that some officials are not making decision through fear of getting it wrong and absolving their responsibility to VAR. This actually wouldn't be a problem if VAR had the ability to overrule on pitch decisions and a proclivity to actually call out a colleagues mistake.
As for a referees authority, I think this is another completely separate issue which needs stronger leadership within the FA to resolve.
Waving imaginary cards was and to my knowledge is still a bookable offence. But would the FA back Ref's if they did book every player who does it. Likewise surrounding and harassing the Ref, but again there doesn't seem to be the stomach from the FA to back a hard crackdown on it.
Bring in similar rules to Rugby in regard to how players are allowed to speak to or not speak to a Ref and crackdown hard on the rules. If it means a few games being abandoned one weekend due to too many players being sent off then so be it. I'd bet you any amount of money the behaviour would be drastically different the following weekend.
12.) 12 Mar 2024 17:27:13
You do know they are not rules but laws of the game.
Rugby supporters and tennis supporters are respectful both during and after a game towards the officials Football fans are not.
You only have to read on here every week or look on sky. More time spent talking about officials and decisions than there is talking about the game itself.
People need to accept decisions and stop moaning every 5 mins. It's never been perfect the laws are open to interpretation therefore there is too few hard and fast decisions that are not up for debate.
Imo if the ref makes a call and is impotence it should not be debated afterwards.
Coaches are worse than the players a lot of the time. Pathetic when the game is over its over don't hide behind a refs decision and deflect.
13.) 12 Mar 2024 19:04:17
I think you can argue it’s a penalty as his foot is high but it’s never a red card in a million years, it’s a high foot with zero malice involved, I’ve certainly seen them given but I can see why the video ref didn’t overturn it at such a pivotal point in a huge game. Refs are human and it would take a hell of a decision to give that last minute penalty.
14.) 12 Mar 2024 19:09:35
The article says Ederson was lucky not to get a red card, when was that? I assume it wasn’t from Nunez diving over his legs after kicking the ball out of play? Can’t remember another incident.
04 Mar 2024 07:39:08
{Ed's Note - Seano_ has posted a new article entitled, Nottingham Forest vs Liverpool: brief review
19 Dec 2023 07:39:07
{Ed's Note - Seano_ has posted a new article entitled, Liverpool vs Manchester United Overview
1.) 19 Dec 2023 14:41:59
A very subjective piece and I hate myself for having wasted time reading it. I think I read it because it is not well titled. An overview of a game where u go on to rate only liverpool players? U rate the ref, Klopp and even liverpool subs but not one Manchester United player?
You split the topic where on one hand to talk about utd's performance. On the other to talk about liverpool's where you keep highlighting Onana but don't mention even one liverpool player?
Perhaps if you are a liverpool fan then a better title would be A liverpool fan's perspective on the game. Similar to how Ed01 does it, then at least I know what I am clicking on.
2.) 19 Dec 2023 19:20:22
To be fair the poster is obviously a Liverpool fan and I would wager posted this review on the Liverpool page but maybe the Ed’s thought it would of interest to us as well. It’s always good to get another perspective.
I thought Utd did the only thing they could and have predominantly been doing for the past decade against the better teams. Sit deep and try to snatch something on the counter. Can we play any other way? Certainly not under Jose, Ole and now EtH.
I think we went there and played them off the park one year under LVG in one of the best Utd performances at Anfield I’ve ever seen. Sadly it proved to be another false dawn.
I don’t know what we are as a football club? I didn’t want SRJ but the sooner this deal is ratified the better. A new CEO, a new DoF, fresh ideas, hopefully a plan and finally some direction and leadership. It might not be enough, the Glazers are still involved but at the moment we’re stuck in the doldrums, only ever one game away from another crisis, more player leaks, mutiny and revolt.
We’ll take the point, be thankful that the team actually showed some fight and desire and hope for better days ahead.
3.) 19 Dec 2023 22:27:27
Personally I don’t give a flying sh*t. We had to do what we did in that game and we got a point. To go and challenge them by going toe to toe trying to win the game would have been suicidal. Hate to say that but we are where we are. Hopefully we can get back to playing proper attacking footy as we used to without caring if we’re at home or away. A way to go but to criticise our play in this game is a tad naive in my view.
4.) 19 Dec 2023 23:24:25
I think we beat their press quite a few times and should have done better. But we are simply toothless upfront and had mctominay at 10 - which is laughable.
0-0 was a fair result. I thought we had a couple of very good chances, but TAA's near miss was also a gilt edged chance that he should have scored, Onana was completely flat footed expecting a shot the other way.
Liverpool did not play well enough, and they dropped points. If their fans find solice in blaming utd for sitting deep then that's okay. But that is what big teams have to face and breakdown all the time.
We lost to bournmouth doing exactly the same to us last week. But they were not toothless upfront.
Liverpool have been fantastic at Anfield this calendar year, and no matter what anyone wants to say - own fan or Liverpool fan - a draw is a good result for us.
I hope we see Mainoo play more next to amrabat or cassemiro and we might just see a better run of results going forward.
5.) 20 Dec 2023 07:23:27
Liverpool based media, pundits and fans still talking about this game. Get over it. Jamoe garagher taking potshots at our loanie ambrabat. No mention of the hungraian 70 mill signing and the rest of them being absolutely sh. t. when one team plays poorly it has something to do with the other team.
6.) 20 Dec 2023 22:10:49
Jaysus lads he wrote an article and put good effort into it.
He's only looking at it from his perspective.
No more than anybody. I thought it was good and well written on the factual stuff the other bits are his opinions and I'd agree with a few and disagree with others.
Ahmad who cares what the media says and the are plenty of pro united pundits but they've not had much to defend or shout about this season.
TV pundits talk more about refs than football nowadays anyhow.
7.) 21 Dec 2023 06:52:35
Tumble
Was not specifically talking about the article but all the stuff out there. Klop has ran his mouth as usual again post their carabao cup win. Watched the game and they had Westham under the knife the whole game with their pressing and had a lot of quality chances.
A couple of things that stood out was how eth went about setting us up. The stuff Onana and generally our back 6 did nullified a lot of what they were able to do with Westham. They lost possession in terrible areas and liverpool had really good chances which was not the case with us. Although we lost possession a lot we never looked in trouble from open play but once and most of the threat was on corners with VVD and Konate.
8.) 21 Dec 2023 13:24:48
What do you care what they say. Most of them don't have any idea about what they're writing about.
Don't be so sensitive.
Fergie said and done worse than klopp ever will do I don't get your point.
Quit the poor old us stuff.
British media are scumbags. Simple accept it and move on. Social media has made it worse.
9.) 21 Dec 2023 14:10:20
I would have been very happy if we had got Klopp as our manager and he was saying that as our manager.
10.) 21 Dec 2023 14:22:14
Bang on oakbark.
02 Oct 2023 07:39:05
{Ed's Note - Seano_ has posted a new article entitled, Here We VAR Again
11 Sep 2023 10:59:07
{Ed's Note - Seano_ has posted a new article entitled, The VAR City Blues
30 Jan 2022 16:34:04
You’ve taken Jordz’ comment completely out of context, he preceded it by saying he’d prefer us to sign Bowen. It’s not writing off Diaz but having a preference.
Thunderbirds comment is more related to the price of the player, this was the price Ed002 had mentioned previously, rather than his quality.
JK’s was likely a similar concern with regards to money but I couldn’t find it to verify the context.
In your original comment you said posters had said he “wasn’t good enough”, “overrated”, “likely to flip in the EPL” - none of your evidence backs this up. You spouted garbage and your supposed evidence fails to back up any of your claims. You are getting no apology, next time try not being a dick by making things up to discredit others.
29 Jan 2022 02:48:50
You are a liar Shappy, nobody on the Liverpool page said that. Is there a reason why you are making up this complete drivel?
{Ed077's Note - Shappy it might be time to do some detective work and dig up some "posts" to back you up?
12 Nov 2018 10:21:01
Failure to invest!? Haha, hilarious. Are you seriously suggesting that you's haven't invested in your team? Think almost any other club (except perhaps City) would love be able to spend the money you's have.
04 Sep 2023 04:40:41
@East Stand Nick - I thought Garnacho’s goal should if stood, and it was another case of an unreasonable VAR decision, but to imply like these only go against United - when your club has had more luck than any other (with perceptions the exception of City) regarding VAR decisions - is living in dreamland.
18 Dec 2018 17:40:58
As a Liverpool fan looking in at your current personnel it seems very obvious that you have too many players with ego's, personalities, or with a lack of focus on their actual football. Mourinho got a number of things wrong, undoubtedly, but I think the balance of your squad, and the personalities within it, lack cohesion - both as a team on the pitch, and as people off it. Unless you appoint the perfect candidate it is very difficult to see your fortunes change - until some of the trouble makers, and some of the more unfocused individuals, move on it is hard to see how things change.
i don't say this to rub it in, but your teams performance against us the other night was the worst I have seen in over 30 years of watching our derbies. Never seen a United team look so listless and unconcerned - irrespective of what is going on off the pitch you cannot fail to try in a game of such magnitude, it is an absolute cardinal sin. Even when you were spanking us in the early 00's I don't think it could be said that our team wasn't putting in effort, merely that we were outclassed by a better team on the day.
I do think we have a better team at the minute, but I do not think that is the reason we won so convincingly. Will be interesting to see if the players show an improvement in attitude in the absence of Mourinho. If they do then they're still at fault as, like him or not, you would imagine that they should/ would be putting in the required effort as they are representing the club. An improvement in performance now wouldn't only show their lack of respect for Mourinho, but their lack of respect for you the fans as well as your club. I can't say I hope you turn around your fortunes, we are massive rivals after all, but I certainly wouldn't begrudge your players actually putting in effort - on the wages they are on, and on the money fans put in - that is the very least you deserve.