Manchester United Rumours Member Posts

 

The Beast's Profile

Current Avatar:
The Beast's Avatar
Correct Score Competition:

Not entered
Correct Score Competition
Flat Out Racing:

Not played Flat Out Racing


No Profile Picture uploaded

Team: Manchester United


Where from: England


Favourite player: Evra


Best team moment: Recent times: the Scholes last minute header against City, RVP against City and Martial against Scousers.


Interests:


Timezone: (GMT +1:00 hour) Brussels, Copenhagen, Madrid, Paris




The Beast's Posts and Other Poster's Replies To The Beast's Posts

 

 

To The Beast's last 5 rumours posts

 

To The Beast's last 5 banter posts

 

To The Beast's last 5 rumour replies

 

To The Beast's last 5 banter replies

 

The Beast's rumours posts with other poster's replies to The Beast's rumours posts

 

20 Mar 2018 00:19:04
Hi Eds - Just wondering if Utd are still interested in Carlos Soler and if you can shed any light on a potential deal?

The Beast

{Ed002's Note - There is interest but Valencia are not keen to sell.}


1.) 20 Mar 2018 08:01:42
Ed002, awhile back there was reports United was interested in another Valencia player, Jose Gaya. Is there any interest there is was it just click bait?

{Ed002's Note - JM was interested when he was at Chelsea, but I gues MU might add him to the list of LBs they are interested in.}


2.) 20 Mar 2018 17:55:07
Ed002, if you don't mind who is on that list of LB's and will Shaw move on in the summer? Cheers.

{Ed002's Note - Nothing has changed - if Mourinho were to leave maybe Shaw will stay but right now he wants him gone and would like one of the following:
Danny Rose (LB)
Aaron Martin (LB)
Alex Sandro (LB) - I would strike him from the list now but don't be surprised if he reappears - it all depends on a player at another club
Philipp Max (LB)}


3.) 20 Mar 2018 17:56:26
Cheers Ed.


4.) 20 Mar 2018 19:16:36
Cheers Ed.


5.) 20 Mar 2018 19:31:12
I suspect that Philipp Max will end up at Bayern Munich if Alaba leaves. Ironically he looks like a really good left back. Just the kind I would like to see brought in. Young, talented and hungry with loads of potential.


6.) 21 Mar 2018 04:31:26
Ed2 are united looking at sessengon.

{Ed002's Note - there was interest when JM was at another side.}


7.) 21 Mar 2018 12:06:37
Huggy, allegedly Shaw is quite hungry, too :)


 

 

21 Feb 2018 23:45:43
I'm reading a lot of people justifying that pathetic performance. SAF played like this in Europe, Sevilla are tough at home, no easy games at this stage of the competition.

The thing is we play like this whenever we come up against a half decent team. Incidentally Moyes took us away in Europe and we played some great stuff, remember the guy that had no European experience?

Sevilla are not up to much, but we were lucky to escape with a draw tonight however you want to dress it up. They will be very dangerous at OT, far more dangerous than we were tonight.

Maybe it was like this sometimes under SAF, but only "SOMETIMES" with Jose it's every time. If we go out to Sevilla, it's because we didn't play to win tonight.

It would be nice to not read BS excuses to justify this rubbish we are subjected to almost every week. Maybe my drum is getting worn out, but the excuse bank is surely out of coin by now. It's just not good enough, we put up with a rubbish Europa League campaign to qualify for this by the skin of our teeth and then put in these types of performances! WTFP?

The Beast

1.) 21 Feb 2018 23:57:48
How many games did Moyes do us proud in Europe? Was it just the Leverkusen game or . No one is saying Jose is producing exceptional football bit my god the hyperbole in here is ridiculous.


2.) 21 Feb 2018 23:59:13
Goos post Beast and i reckon we houdlve gone for the kill today as i hope but Jose played it safe which is quite sad considering how poor Sevilla were today.

The players look scared to try something exciting ncase it doesn't work and jose gets angry.

They are all under strict rules by the looks of it.


3.) 22 Feb 2018 00:20:46
Made attacking substitutions the team just didn't click going forward.


4.) 22 Feb 2018 01:32:09
Weren't they like for like subs (Rashford/ Martial for Sanchez/ Mata)? It's not clicking because we attack with 3 men maximum, often just 2 - we have forgotten how to attack as a team as it seems our main focus is on keeping teams out, not making them keep us out.

It's anti-Utd and it isn't hyperbole if it happens virtually every time we play a team that isn't prepared to curl up and die.


5.) 22 Feb 2018 10:10:12
Couldn’t agree more beast. Went away yet again not to get beaten rather than trying to take the game to them. Nobody here can tell me man for man Sevilla are a better side than us, so why not attack them, why be happy with a bore draw? Anyone who things a nil nil is a good away score line is mistaken. A score draw not too bad, but a nil nil means we now have to win the return leg. Score draw and we’re out. Pathetic performance once again last night, nothing is inproving.


6.) 22 Feb 2018 11:44:57
Rubbish europa league campaign? You mean the one we won? Oh no we won a trophy but we didn't win it in this specific way that makes me happy. Are you aware of how spoilt you sound. You know this is why fans of other clubs hate us - a huge amount of us have got too used to success. We have to be practical we are still in a rebuilding phase. Yes a lot of money has been spent but the team needed and needs a lot of work. Short termism and harking back to the good old days do not benefit the club.


7.) 22 Feb 2018 12:56:33
Beast, you called it absolutely right. If De Gea hadn't made unbelievable saves, we will be looking at a 2 or 3 nil scoreline. I hate the passionless, clueless displays. I hate the lack of cohesion in the team. This result is not a good result, one goal for Seville and we have to score two. Even if we score first, we will still be extremely nervous.
I would say it is advantage Seville.
But the most ridiculous post i'd the one from 12daysofhemida. "A huge amount of us have got used to success", "We have to be practical we are still in a rebuilding phase", "Short termism and harking back to the good old days do not benefit the club". These are exactly the type of comments that drive me potty. How could you get too used to success? So shall we have a few years of rubbish performances as we don't want to be to used to success? Utter tripe. Then he mentions we are still rebuilding, we have been rebuilding for five years. A good business doesn't allow its performance to deteriorate, then start rebuilding. All the top clubs are in a constant state of rebuilding. Harking back to the old times? History is what defines you, and history is what you learn from and improve. So when you talk about harking back to the old times, you're basically telling us that we might as well throw away our history.
If you allow standards to drop and mediocrity to set in, then we might as well pack our bags and go home. That's not the philosophy of the club I've supported for over 50 years. we were built on attacking entertaining football with all the right values. Unfortunately, we are losing these values.


8.) 22 Feb 2018 15:03:38
Attack x3 you'd make a fine spin doctor.

"So shall we have a few years of rubbish performances as we don't want to be to used to success? "

The few years of rubbish performances HAPPENED under Moyes and LVG. Alongside that were rubbish results. No one was happy, myself included. Now Jose has improved RESULTS a hell of a lot. The performances (last night included) are still often poor. You cannot expect results and performances to be improved when the squad is substandard for a title tilt. Jose is improving us.

"we have been rebuilding for five years. "

Yes, that's just how bad we got.

"A good business doesn't allow its performance to deteriorate, then start rebuilding. "

I agree, but that is exactly what the club allowed to happen. Expecting five years of stagnation to be corrected in two years is unrealistic.

"History is what defines you, and history is what you learn from and improve. "

Once again we agree. history has shown us that sticking by a manager when we fans are calling for his head can be beneficial. Can you imagine what would have happened if the fans had been listened to with Fergie? Also whilst we're talking about history, here's one from Fergie, "Attack wins you games, defence wins you leagues. " I think that is what Mourinho is trying to do.

"So when you talk about harking back to the old times, you're basically telling us that we might as well throw away our history. "

Er. no. Just no. I can't even think of a witty, relevant or scathing retort to that. Sorry.

"If you allow standards to drop and mediocrity to set in, then we might as well pack our bags and go home. That's not the philosophy of the club I've supported for over 50 years. we were built on attacking entertaining football with all the right values. Unfortunately, we are losing these values. "

Let me see if I can do your putting words in other people's mouth shtick. so if we don't play well and win you we should all stop supporting Utd? Utter tripe, piddle and tomfoolery.

We weren't built on attacking entertaining football it's a philosophy we have played more often than not since the days of Busby. A style of play that I love and miss, but since Ferguson left that philosophy has been left behind, through poor appointments, mismanagement and NOW necessity. Our defence isn't up to task and so we need to play more defensively.

Whilst having a nosy around the internet, I found this description of Newton Heath in their first season. "Tough, diligent men who formed a powerful side. " Sounds a lot like a Mourinho side. Maybe we were built on stoic defending first, entertaining football second (like all good teams) .


9.) 22 Feb 2018 18:22:17
Great post 12 days.
Beast the performances are poor but its the players not the manager.
How many top class players in our squad?
Not even top class on the european stage top class in epl. Jose performing minor miricle to keep them competitive imo.


10.) 22 Feb 2018 20:34:16
Great posts 12 days. As good as I've ever seen on here to be honest. Great way of debating.


11.) 22 Feb 2018 22:10:35
Oh come on now, it's ridiculous. People are still plugging their same view week in week out.

The fact is, there are some very good and some not so good players in the squad. It's the same for the rest of the top 6 or so teams. It's the manager's job to get the best out of them.

If your idea of getting the best of them is by holding the better players back to set up defensively and grind out results, then we'll agree that Mourinho is doing well. If your idea of an attacking, exciting and progressive style of football is the way forward, then he's not the right man.


 

 

13 Jan 2017 19:14:26
Hopefully this Costa incident is the trigger for the much needed Chelsea collapse. Win on Sunday and everyone will be scared that we are coming for them.

The Beast

{Ed025's Note - my fear beast is that they may make a move for lukaku now, he would jump at the chance imo mate..


1.) 13 Jan 2017 20:52:24
We, I really don't rate Lukaku, I know he can sometimes bully CBs and score dramatic goals but generally he looks like a fat lump blundering around. Just my view of course.

{Ed025's Note - thats very nasty and short sighted of you AJH...but very true.. :)


2.) 13 Jan 2017 22:07:38
He's like that heavily made up blonde on a night out who looks very tasty until you get her into the light, beer googles at their most seductive.


3.) 13 Jan 2017 22:10:18
😂😂😂


4.) 14 Jan 2017 03:46:48
If costa is sold or even just has a falling out with conte, we really need to beat liverpool, as i was hoping and i think most utd fans will agree, if we aren't able to win the league it is better if chelsea do it rather than one of city or liverpool.


5.) 14 Jan 2017 11:16:54
Lukaku is perfect for Chelsea's system but he's no Diego Costa. I can't see them letting him go this January though although a summer deal makes sense.


6.) 14 Jan 2017 12:13:23
I know Costa is expensive but £80 million for a coffee is just ridiculous.


7.) 14 Jan 2017 14:26:04
I'm not sure about timing but I read that the Chinese are going to be clamping down big time on the money being spent by their clubs, as a means of capital controls (just doing it with Bitcoin now) . So maybe there is a major timing factor involved, possibly a one time opportunity for the start of their new season.

Possibly why the amounts in question seem so desperate and why Costa is trying to force a move now. Just speculating of course.


8.) 14 Jan 2017 19:56:59
Costa isn't trying to force his way out.


9.) 15 Jan 2017 01:30:24
i hope costa stays where he is (and stops scoring) because if he leaves they might bid for moussa dembele of celtic.


10.) 15 Jan 2017 13:36:29
hmm Jackson, who knows what to believe. Quite a coincidence we were only talking of something like this the other day. That said you still smashed Leicester and have a £30m striker rotting on the bench, so still need a few more spanners in the works to give us a sniff.


11.) 16 Jan 2017 19:38:40
Hope he stays. He's saved my dream team this season.


 

 

01 Jul 2016 17:29:56
I just read that Neymar signs a 5 year deal, but his buyout clause rises the further he gets into his contract, this seems odd to me is it odd?

It's almost as if they are telling clubs to come and get him now if they are interested.

Does anybody know what his buyout was prior to the new contract? It's now £167m for the first year, rising to 186m 2nd year and then £209 for the third), on the Beeb.

The Beast

1.) 01 Jul 2016 18:07:30
Not sure but this deal is pretty sensible from barca, with teams like palace throwing £30m at Marseille for that Belgian lad who knows how much players will be going for in 5 years, it's gone even more ridiculous this year.


2.) 01 Jul 2016 18:08:46
Beast I don't know enough about buy out clauses but it makes great sense for the owners as under normal circumstances the players value decreases as his contact runs down. It also means that they will be in no rush to Renew and give him another rise in order to uphold his value.


3.) 01 Jul 2016 19:34:13
Great points guys, hadn't even considered that in my haste.


 

 

10 Jul 2015 16:38:30
Hi Ed's - I am a regular contributor to the site as you may know. Several people ask about a fantasy football league each year and I have been part of one for the past 4/5 years, I can vouch for the credibility of it. I didn't want to post on the website without your permission first, this is what I want to post, do you mind?

"I am part of a dream team league, ran by a chap called Andy. I have done this for the past 4+years and it works a treat. You pay £50 upfront and each month there is a prize for manager of the month, the remaining money goes into a pot for the top 3 managers of the year - all registration fees are redistributed to winning managers. I have personally won a few managers of the month and have been paid appropriately. This is just a group of guys coming together and nothing formal/company orchestrated, so if you want to join the league the code is 90970-25762 (it is the Fantasy Premier League). Andy will provide you with his acct details if you join and over recent seasons we have had over 50 people in the league – it was primarily a group of friends but I have asked him if he would mind me opening it up to my “banter buddies” and he has no problem so long as it causes him no issues"

The Beast

{Ed002's Note - Sure, no problem.}


1.) 10 Jul 2015 17:24:08
Super Beast, Might join you on that .


2.) 10 Jul 2015 19:35:39
Now I'm confused yesterday someone was going to setup a FF competition for the lads all here at no cost, I think that £50 is a tad steep especially when in euros it's 70 or more for your one Beast.

Now I'm not a tight git but I try play the FF gig and more times than not forget to change players etc, as I get caught up in stuff at home or within family homes doing repairs etc so miss a lot of the tactical changes lol!!

If we were to set up a MUFC page FF competition and at a cost of €20/25 I would enter it no problem


3.) 10 Jul 2015 20:02:09
Pyramid Scheme!


4.) 10 Jul 2015 23:10:25
We had one for free last season, not sure who set it up but we had over 70 people in it from this website.

The one I am talking about has cash aspects attached so obviously won't be for everyone. I throw in £50 with this guys league because if you win a manager of the month its normally £80-£100, then £1k or so to overall winner.

Horses for courses, I just put it out there as some people were asking and I have always been paid on time.


 

 

 

The Beast's banter posts with other poster's replies to The Beast's banter posts

 

05 Dec 2018 13:41:02
What do our fans on here want?

Beat Arsenal and Jose stays - Agree
Lose to Arsenal and Jose goes - Disagree.

The Beast

1.) 05 Dec 2018 13:48:12
Jose stays until it's cheap enough to sack him either way beast. Mourinho has had enough sly digs at Woodward that any other CEO would have kicked him out already. But his incompetence seems to know no bounds.


2.) 05 Dec 2018 13:58:27
I want him gone he’s had long enough and it’s getting worse. He’s not totally to blame as the club is rotten from top to bottom at the moment.


3.) 05 Dec 2018 14:16:25
Anyone who wants their club to lose doesn't deserve to be called a fan in my opinion.


4.) 05 Dec 2018 14:19:09
Sorry, Beast. I'm no fan of him, as you know, but I could never bring myself to hope we lose a game before it's been played. However a loss tonight and against Liverpool, would probably mean time up in my eyes.


5.) 05 Dec 2018 14:45:36
Well said GDS and Noucamp. I could never wish for us to lose just because we want a manager sacked.


6.) 05 Dec 2018 15:10:15
We all know that one day Mourinho will be gone. So I’d take the win.


7.) 05 Dec 2018 15:52:42
Never wish us to lose. Even if it means Jose stays. He will be gone soon it’s inevitable. But I never ever want to see us lose at home to arsenal. I used to hate them when we were competing for titles all those years ago. I would ngl want to give them the satisfaction of beating them on our turf. Nobody should ever come to our ground and have an easy day out. I know old Trafford is not currently a fortress, but we need to get back to the times where teams where beat before they even took the pitch.


8.) 05 Dec 2018 16:33:14
Woodward's a bean counter he won't sack Jose until its more financially beneficial to do so under whatever clauses are in the contract. Jose should ritualistically slaughter a puppy on the pitch but as long as there's a mathematical chance of top 4 he's safe. In an ideal world both would go.


9.) 05 Dec 2018 17:18:13
The day I become a guy that wants my club to lose a game so that a manager loses his job, the club doesn't deserve me.

GDS
You wrote what I was thinking. Fully agree. If you want us to lose tonight to get Jose the sack then sorry you are not a fan, you are a glory hunter, a scumbag even imo.

{Ed025's Note - im with you deependra..


10.) 05 Dec 2018 17:24:51
Scumbag is a bit much deeps but i'm with you and gds.

Would people want their parents to die so they can get their inheritence? that's scum.


11.) 05 Dec 2018 17:47:24
Would never wish for a loss and ever the optimist, just put a couple of bets on.

If, If the worst happens and we did lose the next couple it could end up being squeaky bumtime from now till may hope to god we don't . 2-1 to us with tony grabbing a birthday present off the gunners back 4;)


12.) 05 Dec 2018 17:49:05
There might not be a fan on here who wants Jose gone as much as I do. I might have said on occasion that I never wanted him and I have been known to be critical of him when its deserved in my opinion. However, I have never wanted the team to lose, ever. And I never will do, even if a loss meant the end of Jose at United. I want us to win every game, I want us to at the very least finish top four this season as I hate the idea of not being in the UCL next season. I'm a firm believer that if you give him enough rope Jose will hang himself, there is no need to wish the team to lose.


13.) 05 Dec 2018 17:55:29
Definitely a win; never ever want us to lose, regardless of the situation.


14.) 05 Dec 2018 18:20:02
There are 8 thumbs down on the OP (according to my phone at least) .

I think this proves the point ed002 has been making for a long time now, our club has a "toxic fanbase" although these people shouldn't actually be considered fans. They aren't supporters of the team, they are glory hunters at best.


15.) 05 Dec 2018 18:33:17
Jesus. This is what our 'fans' have become.

{Ed025's Note - not all of them angel, a small minority who have made a snap judgement based on wanting the manager out, im sure in the light of day they will regret what they said there and if not then do you really want supporters like that mate?..


16.) 05 Dec 2018 18:55:15
Same here, Cookyman. Wee sneaky fiver on 2-1 to us. Should mean we'll lose 3-0 now 😁.


17.) 05 Dec 2018 19:02:16
I have a good friend of 40 0dd years who is a city fan, he always reminds me, that no matter what he stuck by his team, even when they were in the old 3rd division playing Gillingham.

Some of our fans need a bit of perspective

Yes it is entertainment and like other entertainment, if you don't enjoy don't go, but just like your favourite band put out a rubbish album every now and again, they still remain your favourite band and you hope for a better one next time.

Same with football, having a bad stretch, but we have been spoiled, and remember the good times, to tide us over until the next great album is made.

Wanting your team to lose so the manager is sacked. that is a daft hypothesis. if you don't like it, go choose a new favourite band.


18.) 05 Dec 2018 16:51:29
Never want the team to lose. Jose will be gone soon enough. I don't think any manager will get us into top 4 this year i'd rather dump 7 or 8 players and let the new man start without the hassle of having to get rid of the players at the start of next season.
Darmian valencia young rojo smalling jones fellaini mata matic herrera pogba any 7 of those should be sold imo. If the new manager has to play these guys 30 games a season we won't succeed he won't succeed because they are either past their best or not making a significant enough a contribution to justify their existence.


19.) 05 Dec 2018 16:53:51
Beat arsenal and then Jose gets the sack. Would be a great day.


20.) 05 Dec 2018 17:28:22
Scumbag little bit harsh.


21.) 05 Dec 2018 19:22:59
Man City never experienced the glory days in the same way United did, so their low status was less of a shock to the system. They did maintain crowds of around 28,000 though even in the old 3rd. Mind you, United average around 47,800 when we down to the 2nd.

The toxic fans are largely a function of the rise of social media and a malignant press. In the old days no one really got a say. In any event United fans have every right to be disappointed by our current poor performance given that the success of the club was built on their loyalty as they packed into OT week in week out, especially in the days when gates were the main source of income. And considering our levels of cash inflow it's scandalous how poor we've been doing.

I don't condone toxic fans, but then I'm not a fan of the toxic ownership and Board either.


22.) 05 Dec 2018 19:25:12
Win against the gooners!

Never want us to lose! Unless it stops the scousers winning the league.


23.) 05 Dec 2018 22:23:47
I would like the team I support to win. But then again, I’m crazy.


24.) 06 Dec 2018 09:55:28
noucamp- very close mate- still i backed 2-2 and martial to score so I'm a happy red this morning.


 

 

02 Dec 2018 12:24:25
Here's something positive (in a way) .

The next boss will hopefully be a young manager with bright ideas and an insatiable hunger to succeed. He is going to get things wrong of course. So the worse Jose is doing now the more rope we the fans will give a new manager doing the right things (Jose has benefited from this as he followed LVG and our expectations were crushed by him) .

Many of our fans have wanted to be ultra loyal and patient. I am not a patient man, but I think this core aspect of many of our fans should be encouraged for the right manager. Unfortunately both LVG and Jose were given far too much rope despite clearly showing a reluctance to evolve, they simply hunkered down because most previously successful people resort to what they know best under pressure rather than trying to adapt. In short they abused the situation rather than appreciated it.

A new manager will be rewarded if they show the right signs much more so than if they followed SAF. We as a fan base are now used to dross, so it bodes well for the next guy being given more rope and that is great if the next guy has the unique abilities necessary to manage our club.

1 - Attacking Intent
2 - Willingness to learn and evolve
3 - Passion for the club/ job/ area
4 - Works with players, rather than competing with players for praise/ glory
5 - Has a plan and buys players for that plan - both LVG and Jose have signed contradictory players for their system - whether Woody is to blame or not I don't know. But like Pep/ Klopp/ Sarri - I'd like to see us sign players for a desired end goal rather than haphazardly.
6 - Most importantly the next manager must know he is privileged to be Man Utd manager. He must value that enormous responsibility and constantly want to justify the choice made to hire him. Not what we see week in week out for the past 5 years from our ungrateful managers, who care more about themselves than their players, club and fans.

So I'm happy right now despite being subjected to this mess for the past 5+ years. The next guy has to be the right guy and that guy will be given time and resources. If we hire another old hat, who succeeded in the past by playing football not suitable to our beliefs then we are in for more of the same. BUT if the powers that be haven't learnt by now what we need then there is no way they would have risen to their positions of power. So hope is high guys, it's almost over and the next guy will have a huge advantage.

The Beast

1.) 02 Dec 2018 12:41:00
Bang on Beast, just want to see good football being played at United, been six years since we last seen it. Going to OT reminds of testimonial matches nowadays.


2.) 02 Dec 2018 12:41:00
I can't believe that i am agreeing with all you've said Beast, we do seem to be stuck in the same place going over the same things. Excuses have been made time and time again we have tried to remain positive backing Jose but its apparent that its not working. I still maintain that its not just a case of firing the manager, a lot has to change DOF needed a change in ethos the club feels tainted by failures, some time out of the spotlight to work on the basics and get the whole club moving in the right direction.


3.) 02 Dec 2018 12:57:51
Fantastic post beast and I agree with all of it. We all just want to crack open a cold beer and be entertained by Manchester United for 90 mins on the weekend. Surely that cannot be too much to ask for.


4.) 02 Dec 2018 13:07:07
Bear in mind who's picking the next manager. Its as likely to be an old crock as much as a young manager.


5.) 02 Dec 2018 14:27:32
Can't think of one Mort but i'm sure we'll find one lol.


6.) 02 Dec 2018 16:10:44
That's the best post I've ever seen from you Beast. I've been very much Jose in, but at the moment I just don't see us improving under him. There are a plethora of reasons for this that have been done to death on here but every party needs to take some responsibility. I feel that the time to act is NOW even if our first choice is not available. Give the position to someone on an interim basis - that could be young and internal or someone that is willing to step in until the end of the season to build their reputation again like Benitez did at Chelsea.

Like I said I have been very much Jose in, but the proof is in the pudding and ours is currently rancid, insipid and bland.


 

 

08 Nov 2018 08:45:26
I fancied us yesterday, put a little bit of dough on us as well so it was nice to win on both counts.

Thought we were too negative at times and we were lucky to be honest. Juventus were unusually wasteful in front of goal. Been watching a lot of Juve this season and they have been winning but not looking as good as the table suggests - however it had a David vs Goliath feel about it which is absolutely ridiculous when you take a step back.

Herrera was very good. I don't like Young playing as everything is delayed, Pogba gave it away more than he kept the ball. I thought Sanchez worked hard and looked a lot sharper. Obviously it's hard to take the game to Juventus away and we snuck it yesterday. Jose is getting a nice run of luck at the moment and you make your own luck I suppose, we were unlucky to drop 2 points to Chelsea as well so swings-roundabouts.

Hopefully we start the game on the front foot this Sunday and don't give City as many opportunities as I fear they will put us out of sight if we aren't better defensively.

Great result, hopefully we can have a bit of a mini-clear out this winter and bring in 1-2 quality players. The wholesale changes in the summer as too many of our players will never be good enough for the very top.

The Beast

1.) 08 Nov 2018 09:37:28
Beast,
Was the purpose of this post to tell us you won money? I see no other point to it? At least Pogba attempts to make the killer pass, or the pass that makes the difference. You contradict yourself too much here, I honestly don't know whether your pleased or gutted.


2.) 08 Nov 2018 09:39:18
You must be a very lucky gambler Beast. Despite your extreme negativity towards United, you are still committed enough to place money on us to win. Furthermore, every time you bet on us we seem to win! At least you get some enjoyment from United.

Keep up the good work mate :)


3.) 08 Nov 2018 12:55:33
Careful Beast. You're in danger of sounding a bit positive there and that's not the Beast we've all come to know and love.

In fairness, just lately we've looked like the United of old ie., You can score against us but we'll score more.

Long may it last.


4.) 08 Nov 2018 13:18:27
Beast your a gas man.
A clearout?
A month ago you said that you would not interview a manager that wanted to talk about squad changes and investment.
Whats changed your mind on that?

In terms of recent cl performances last 5 years it was david v ggollaith. We havnt been qualifing and they have been in finals so on current recent form we were massive underdogs reflected in the odds toy recieved i'm sure for a 2 horse race.
Perhaps not so much in total history but in last 5 years i think it was a shock result. They don't lose often there i tjink that is there 1st cl defeat there.


5.) 08 Nov 2018 13:41:19
King Giggsy - partly about me expecting us to win and not buying into the David Goliath BS to justify defeat if it occurred. Also my views on several players performance - did you miss that part?

Betty - When the odds are that good you have to take the punt, although I have lost as much as I have won betting on Utd this season. I won't be betting on us this weekend though.

TopBomin - Yeah there are some good signs, Jose did well last night - game was perfect for vintage Jose where we were 'allowed' to camp and break. Same again against City, but it's the mid-level and below teams where this is horrible to watch and shouldn't be tolerated. It shouldn't really be tolerated now, but we are where we are.


6.) 08 Nov 2018 14:41:05
Great result last night. However, were you lot watching the game? Juve should have been out of sight. We were LUCKY!
Shades of the 1999 final.
We are no where near as good a team as Juve. Or City come to that. Let's hope for more luck on Sunday!


7.) 08 Nov 2018 14:50:04
Ken - The manager still needs to go, he is not getting the most from his players, but people like Matic, Lukaku, Young, Pogba, Smalling, Mata - do not champions make.

It doesn't have to be one or the other, there are grey zones.

Juventus had Khadeira, two old knackers at the back, Betancur, Cuadrado, Sczezny in goal. The only genuine class in that team was Ronaldo, Dybala, Pjanic, Sandro.

We need a clear-out top to bottom. Half measures are what got us into this position. No point allowing Jose to buy the new team because he is no longer suitable for that role and his signings are all over the place. New manager, new ideas, new identity required.

However a new manager should come in and say he can turn this bunch into contenders, then I'd back him. We should be doing much better than we are with the team we have, despite them not being brilliant in most cases. You can;t have a team of superstars but our superstars are seriously underperforming (aside from DDG and Martial recently) .


8.) 08 Nov 2018 17:10:10
Beast young smalling matic mata and pogba have all been champions for the record. Smalling and young were not playing much i grant you that but they have the medals.
But i do agree with you. We need a huge clear out but i'm just wondering why you said you would throw a candidate out of an interview if he said he needed new players. Mayberry its so obvious we need some. Maybe you were just ranting that day we are all guilty from time to time.

Also if you think the squad is so poor and i agree why do you blame so much on the manager? Imo no other manager would have got us 2nd last season

Do you think any other manager would have got this squad to 2nd behind city last season?


9.) 08 Nov 2018 18:06:19
Ken - I knew you would go there. But they were not the key to any team, they were periphery players for their title winning teams in the main. They are all good players, but not suitable for a Man Utd I'd like to see personally.

The teams they won the league with had world class (reliably world class) around them. Our best players are not performing anywhere near their maximum and that is the manager job, that is why he needs to go (amongst other reasons) .

We have too many decent but not great players for sure, but we should be playing better. I have been ranting and do go off on one occasionally, hard to get it down properly so I'll hold my hands up mate.

2nd means nothing really, it was a poor campaign despite finishing 2nd, football was appalling and it has been for most of this season. We do not look like champions, after 2.5 years in charge I'd expect us to be on the right track, not looking just as disjointed as his first season with Liverpool, City and Chelsea (after a few months under Sarri) looking far more formidable.

If you are asking me if Jose is the 2nd best manager in the world, I say no, he is not in the top 10, maybe 20 anymore. He was great, but now he is a spent force. So I think many other managers would have us do just as well and probably better last season, but I don't think anybody would have caught City last year - we just could have looked a lot better going for it under somebody that plays the game the right way and isn't such a problem off the pitch.


10.) 08 Nov 2018 19:46:02
Beast mate i think he will leave in the summer no matter what happens i agree with some of your thoughts but not many.
But i posted above i think he now has control of his dressing room. Players are responding and the increased effort is obvious. Big egos have been dropped until they put in the required effort.
But also the board have regained control over jose and the change in him is obvious too.
He is being more tolerant with the players because they are giving him more and as a result their form and attitudes are showing definite improvement.
Jose is far from finished. I think he may well end up in madrid next season just a feeling i have.
We are woefully short of top quality still in 3 or 4 positions.
Were we right not to buy aging players at inflated money. Yes imo.
I want to see a united effort from the coach players fans and board alike until the end of the season. This will be a really tight fight for the top 2nd to 4th, i think city will run away with it in the end. Its essential tjat we secure top 4 Then if jose goes and we get a new coach we can build from a more solid base.


11.) 09 Nov 2018 05:21:03
Beast, please put in those 20 names above Mourinho here for all of our knowledge. We would surely be enlightened and i am sure the United board would consider your list for better recruitment next. Kindly share the list.


 

 

07 Oct 2018 08:28:41
Well that second half was a nice turn up for the books.

Obviously the first half went pretty much how most games have gone this season, Newcastle were just pretty clinical and still missed a few. We just drift through matches like a lost soul.

Our plan second half was to attack and although it was all 'off the cuff' as the commentator said, it was still enough to come back and beat a demoralised Newcastle. It makes me wonder how good we could really be if the manager just said 'go and beat them' and stopped focusing on trying to out-think the opposition when we are far superior.

I think with poor teams like Newcastle the manager should rely on our natural quality and stop with the 'tactics'. Against top class opposition maybe Jose is suited, but 90% of our games are against teams we should beat. So maybe give him a break those weeks and let the lads plays without his shackles and bizarre decision making. Bring him back for the big dogs?!

Maybe Sanchez was his 'Robins moment', but I am very interested to see how we start the next game. For all the plaudits Jose is taking for the turnaround, he has to be held accountable for the fiasco of that first half - what was going on in a routine home tie against relegation fodder?!

LVG had a few of these false dawns that kept him in the role for another few weeks to our ultimate misfortune. Hopefully Jose does change his spots and learn from this, but that is hope rather than expectation.

Glad to see some heart, some edge of the seat drama and a quality fightback, life in the old squad yet. If Jose isn't removed, then please let this be this spark that changes everything, brings everyone together and we approach each game like we are 2-0 down against one of the worst teams in the league at home.

The Beast

1.) 07 Oct 2018 09:18:09
The problem is that the next game is Chelsea away which we are likely to lose anyway, if we go there and try and attack we will get hammered so I guess it depends what people want.

I have a feeling this might not be a turning point but he must be given the chance to show that it is now and prove that the players are behind him, imagine we go and win at Chelsea, who knows what the season holds then.


2.) 07 Oct 2018 11:13:01
I don’t mind losing as long as we go down fighting. Have a go, take the game to them. Not going to happen is it?


 

 

29 Sep 2018 12:33:27
Nice to see the manager putting out a team that indicates 'we fear you' again. What a joke, have we ever had a slower midfield. Just surprised he didn't put Mata in for Martial to really inject some pace!

The Beast

1.) 29 Sep 2018 12:37:24
Going exactly according to plan for Jose. Such a progressive manager.


2.) 29 Sep 2018 12:41:26
It's a disgrace people are backing this tool because Pogba complained about negative football and the need to attack.


3.) 29 Sep 2018 12:43:58
Same old rubbish for 3rd consecutive season. Why he’s still in the job I’ll never know. Also people make out the squad is brilliant but under acheiving, there’s not many players in this squad the good sides would come in for.


4.) 29 Sep 2018 12:44:02
And now they have scored. West Ham dominating completely as we expected. What a farce we have become.

Saw the team and West Ham were 3/ 1, so put £25 on them, couldn't resist, I've gone from backing us every game irrespective to now thinking the opposition will win. Horrible.


5.) 29 Sep 2018 12:59:51
It’s phill Jones’ fault.


6.) 29 Sep 2018 13:19:27
This is genuinely embarrassing. No movement, no ideas, Fellaini playing as our furthest forward mid. Martial wasted in the middle when he could be roasting Zab on the wing. This is the end for Jose, players have no confidence in his approach and it’s showing. The only question left today is who Jose will choose to blame for it.


7.) 29 Sep 2018 13:19:55
He has to go now. It really seems like this is the end. He has to go. But someone should also have the players in and tell certain of them that their time at the club is also over as they're displays have been unacceptable.


8.) 29 Sep 2018 14:34:56
He alienates most of his players and the results suffer, a common theme under the especially challenged one in his last few jobs, why are people surprised?


9.) 29 Sep 2018 14:36:50
Regardless of manager, tactics, team selection, this is a very average squad of players. Only de gea would have got into past united teams. Unbelievable considering the obscene amounts some of them have cost. Hope some of you younger fans don't have to endure the 27 years us older ones did but at this moment there doesn't seem to be any sort of plan or direction. Things can only get better ( although they might have to get worse first)


10.) 29 Sep 2018 16:11:36
This is a better squad than the last United team to win the league title.


11.) 29 Sep 2018 16:29:11
Well this time the ref is to blame.


 

 

 

The Beast's rumour replies

 

Click To View This Thread

03 Dec 2018 13:01:42
They will have for sure. But it's hard to factor in things like future sponsorship, future signings (ie targets want more money if not in CL or say no when they would have said yes) .

I'm sure we are hemorrhaging viewers on TV across the world, that has to have a knock on effect. Takes a lifetime to build a reputation, a few years of LVG and Jose to virtually destroy it.

People are selfish. Woody will not look good sacking yet another manager (so soon after handing him a ridiculous new deal) and failing to secure top 4. Everyone will be looking out for their own personal best interests right now rather than the club or the fans.

In a decent/ honest world. Jose would have packed his bags long ago but he wants money, Woody would have admitted his mistake long ago, but he wants money. The club would have realised we are losing our soul, but they want money. The players would have upped their game, but irrespective of performance they earn and want money.

Most players nowadays know they will earn more by forcing a move than they would by doing their job. Little morals and honour left in the game now at the top end unfortunately.

I wish we could just rip out all the poison surrounding the club and just build it back from the solid foundations we have, but the world doesn't work like that. Just like in the real world with empires, they get too big, too selfish, to greedy and ultimately the empire dies and is reborn as something else. We have bad apples throughout the club, directors, management, players - we need to cull it all before it's too late.

The Beast

 

 

Click To View This Thread

26 Oct 2018 17:30:29
The owners seem to give the managers free rein, that is one thing I like about them.

Too many people use the inner machinations of the club to explain away our dire performances on the pitch. Jose has players to train, world class players, he is not being told what to do on the pitch or off it (aside from shut up it seems) . So not sure how that is an excuse for what we see every game.

If its not spending money then that is a BS excuse. He has had more than almost any manager ever. Name me a manager that doesn't want more to spend?

I don't like the way the club play nor how Jose carries himself most of the time. He thinks he is bigger than the club and has little regard for his players (most of them) or the fans. We are a laughing stock, we are boring to watch and the owners whilst not ideal certainly could be a lot worse and have frankly backed him enough.

Most clubs carry debt, he has had plenty of funds and wastes it on players he doesn't play.

I said at the time it was a travesty giving this man a new contract as well. There are more heads that need to roll, but Jose's is the first if we want to get back to where we should be any time soon.

The Beast

 

 

Click To View This Thread

26 Oct 2018 15:25:24
Danny have you seen how much he has spent? What players have kicked on under his guidance?

Jose is looking for excuses, Roman had enough of it and so should our owners. I'm not a fan of the way the club had changed, but ultimately we are not progressing anywhere near as much as we should be under his stewardship - look at what Newcastle, Burnley etc do with a pittance to spend. He has some of the worlds best players and can;t get anything from them, spent hundreds of million and it may as well have been chucked in the bin.

No the buck stops with Jose for me, owners shouldn't be throwing more good money after bad - but they should be decisive, no middle ground here. Either give him MORE money to waste or cut him loose.

The Beast

 

 

Click To View This Thread

26 Oct 2018 15:21:40
I have a good guess why. Because since signing for Utd his career has gone backwards, he has been messed around, plays well one week dropped the next. See's players playing worse than him picked because of their name and simply has had enough.

He has played the past few games, how about his treatment the past few years?

Yes he has been a passenger quite often, but who hasn't been in an attacking sense (or any sense for that matter)? Martial has it all, apart from a look of desire on his face when he plays and he can be wasteful in possession (more to do with others not being up to it) . But Sanchez played week in week out, Lukaku plays week in week out and have been far inferior overall. Rashford isn't fit to lace his boots but if the manager had to pick between them he would pick Rashford every time.

Martial has been wasted, he is not half the player he could be and if he signs a contract with Jose in charge he is a mug. Shame as I want our best players to stay, but that is why he hasn't signed yet imo.

The Beast

 

 

Click To View This Thread

09 Oct 2018 14:54:01
Juventus have Szczesny in goal. I appreciate he misses Spain, but that screams out at me.

Ultimately he has been a great player for us, not one of our fans should have any hard feelings if he leaves. He signed for a great club, he now plays for a club I barely recognise.

Wouldn't mind a little swapsy with Athletico for Oblak.

The Beast

 

 

 

The Beast's banter replies

 

Click To View This Thread

08 Dec 2018 10:59:41
FWIW - I think Pogba was nothing special in the World Cup, media over-hyped everything he did as usual - if France had lost the final nobody would be talking about Pogba having a great world cup. Most of this 'leader' lark comes from some speech he gave to the players so it portrayed him as a leader - the fact we all know about this speech tells me all I need to know about the purpose of it!

I often meet people that are incompetent in their work, they often tend to try and steer the dialogue when it starts getting dicey for them with distraction or by talking the loudest. It's the same as a player making a mistake and then lambasting his colleagues for not being in position or then flying into a stupid tackle to get the crowd back onside.

I'm bothered about what Pogba does on the pitch and that is turn up 1/ 5 games, even when he turns up it is typically in moments and selfish. Playing raking 60 yard balls to the wide forward who then has to beat 3 men because we have dropped so deep and he admires his pass. Or his favourite - doing a pointless trick in midfield which actually slows down the attack because he should have released the ball earlier and now the attackers are all picked up by their markers. Watch how many times he needless gives the ball away each game, bad enough for an attacker but for a CM with stuck in the mud Matic next to him, jeez!

Pogba suits a continental game and is the cherry on top if a team needs that luxury and can carry the liability. He needs more carrying than anybody in our team and most of them can't carry their own weight at the minute!

Get rid of him along with our toxic manager, they are both as bad as each other - no respect for the club, fans or their colleagues.

The Beast

 

 

Click To View This Thread

25 Nov 2018 15:16:53
Correction - Moyes should be entering his 5th/ 6th season - I forget which because it's been mind numbingly boring since he was in charge. The whole fiasco started with hiring him on a 6 year deal.

That was the plan!

The Beast

 

 

Click To View This Thread

25 Nov 2018 11:15:34
Great summation of the situation we are in. Obviously some of us have been saying this for some time and the fact that so many fans seem to be content with the job Jose is doing speaks volumes for the point you were making about expectations.

We need wholesale changes and it starts with the manager. Let's get back to enjoying being Utd fans, not going to happen for most of us with the negative football on offer and a team full of misery.

The Beast

 

 

Click To View This Thread

24 Nov 2018 20:19:52
I wouldn't open my curtains if Utd were playing in my backyard.

Until this manager goes nothing will change.

Bigger problems, but it has to start with the manager - 3 years it's a disgrace to our name almost every game we play. The players all look so miserable, there was a clip of them arriving at the ground and everyone of them looked like they were about to do a double shift down the mines!

The Beast

 

 

Click To View This Thread

13 Nov 2018 18:16:07
Not even that quick really, rarely beats a man for pace in a straight race with the ball. Looks like a rabbit in headlights, no end product, soft, anything he has to think about he fluffs. He gives the ball away more than Pogba as well.

Over rated, cash in. It's players like Rashford that exemplify why we are where we are. Love the fact he is Utd born and bred, love that he is young, love how he flew onto the scene. But he hasn't improved in 3 years. He is a non-entity and pops up with a goal now and again like most of our players, Lingard, Mata, Lukaku. All decent players but Europa League level, which is where we are now.

Doesn't play that well for England either, one or two decent games, the rest have passed him by.

The Beast