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13 Jan 2017 19:14:26
Hopefully this Costa incident is the trigger for the much needed Chelsea collapse. Win on Sunday and everyone will be scared that we are coming for them.

The Beast

{Ed025's Note - my fear beast is that they may make a move for lukaku now, he would jump at the chance imo mate..


1.) 13 Jan 2017 20:52:24
We, I really don't rate Lukaku, I know he can sometimes bully CBs and score dramatic goals but generally he looks like a fat lump blundering around. Just my view of course.

{Ed025's Note - thats very nasty and short sighted of you AJH...but very true.. :)


2.) 13 Jan 2017 22:07:38
He's like that heavily made up blonde on a night out who looks very tasty until you get her into the light, beer googles at their most seductive.


3.) 13 Jan 2017 22:10:18
😂😂😂


4.) 14 Jan 2017 03:46:48
If costa is sold or even just has a falling out with conte, we really need to beat liverpool, as i was hoping and i think most utd fans will agree, if we aren't able to win the league it is better if chelsea do it rather than one of city or liverpool.


5.) 14 Jan 2017 11:16:54
Lukaku is perfect for Chelsea's system but he's no Diego Costa. I can't see them letting him go this January though although a summer deal makes sense.


6.) 14 Jan 2017 12:13:23
I know Costa is expensive but £80 million for a coffee is just ridiculous.


7.) 14 Jan 2017 14:26:04
I'm not sure about timing but I read that the Chinese are going to be clamping down big time on the money being spent by their clubs, as a means of capital controls (just doing it with Bitcoin now) . So maybe there is a major timing factor involved, possibly a one time opportunity for the start of their new season.

Possibly why the amounts in question seem so desperate and why Costa is trying to force a move now. Just speculating of course.


8.) 14 Jan 2017 19:56:59
Costa isn't trying to force his way out.


9.) 15 Jan 2017 01:30:24
i hope costa stays where he is (and stops scoring) because if he leaves they might bid for moussa dembele of celtic.


10.) 15 Jan 2017 13:36:29
hmm Jackson, who knows what to believe. Quite a coincidence we were only talking of something like this the other day. That said you still smashed Leicester and have a £30m striker rotting on the bench, so still need a few more spanners in the works to give us a sniff.


11.) 16 Jan 2017 19:38:40
Hope he stays. He's saved my dream team this season.


 

 

01 Jul 2016 17:29:56
I just read that Neymar signs a 5 year deal, but his buyout clause rises the further he gets into his contract, this seems odd to me is it odd?

It's almost as if they are telling clubs to come and get him now if they are interested.

Does anybody know what his buyout was prior to the new contract? It's now £167m for the first year, rising to 186m 2nd year and then £209 for the third), on the Beeb.

The Beast

1.) 01 Jul 2016 18:07:30
Not sure but this deal is pretty sensible from barca, with teams like palace throwing £30m at Marseille for that Belgian lad who knows how much players will be going for in 5 years, it's gone even more ridiculous this year.


2.) 01 Jul 2016 18:08:46
Beast I don't know enough about buy out clauses but it makes great sense for the owners as under normal circumstances the players value decreases as his contact runs down. It also means that they will be in no rush to Renew and give him another rise in order to uphold his value.


3.) 01 Jul 2016 19:34:13
Great points guys, hadn't even considered that in my haste.


 

 

10 Jul 2015 16:38:30
Hi Ed's - I am a regular contributor to the site as you may know. Several people ask about a fantasy football league each year and I have been part of one for the past 4/5 years, I can vouch for the credibility of it. I didn't want to post on the website without your permission first, this is what I want to post, do you mind?

"I am part of a dream team league, ran by a chap called Andy. I have done this for the past 4+years and it works a treat. You pay £50 upfront and each month there is a prize for manager of the month, the remaining money goes into a pot for the top 3 managers of the year - all registration fees are redistributed to winning managers. I have personally won a few managers of the month and have been paid appropriately. This is just a group of guys coming together and nothing formal/company orchestrated, so if you want to join the league the code is 90970-25762 (it is the Fantasy Premier League). Andy will provide you with his acct details if you join and over recent seasons we have had over 50 people in the league – it was primarily a group of friends but I have asked him if he would mind me opening it up to my “banter buddies” and he has no problem so long as it causes him no issues"

The Beast

{Ed002's Note - Sure, no problem.}


1.) 10 Jul 2015 17:24:08
Super Beast, Might join you on that .


2.) 10 Jul 2015 19:35:39
Now I'm confused yesterday someone was going to setup a FF competition for the lads all here at no cost, I think that £50 is a tad steep especially when in euros it's 70 or more for your one Beast.

Now I'm not a tight git but I try play the FF gig and more times than not forget to change players etc, as I get caught up in stuff at home or within family homes doing repairs etc so miss a lot of the tactical changes lol!!

If we were to set up a MUFC page FF competition and at a cost of €20/25 I would enter it no problem


3.) 10 Jul 2015 20:02:09
Pyramid Scheme!


4.) 10 Jul 2015 23:10:25
We had one for free last season, not sure who set it up but we had over 70 people in it from this website.

The one I am talking about has cash aspects attached so obviously won't be for everyone. I throw in £50 with this guys league because if you win a manager of the month its normally £80-£100, then £1k or so to overall winner.

Horses for courses, I just put it out there as some people were asking and I have always been paid on time.


 

 

21 May 2014 19:30:13
Keeping with the trend of being a bit left field today.

Does anybody know what the situation is with Yarmolenko & Konoplyanka. They obviously both play in Ukraine (Europes South Sudan at the minute), so with all the unrest I don't know what this will mean for their domestic game, would Kiev & Dnipro be up for selling and if so would they finto LVG's system?

The Beast

{Ed002's Note - Konoplyanka is available and there is a lot of interest including from MU.}


 

 

 

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14 Jun 2017 16:52:14
I was thinking about our striker situation and I agree we need one because Rash doesn't look ready and Martial is a risk. But I don't think we should gamble on somebody like Morata or Belotti for the money being asked.

I'd personally go for Vardy, probably less than £40m, would work his socks off and we need that from a striker. He would feed off of Pogba all day long and is proven in the league. We'd get a good two years out of him and I believe he would be happy being rotated as well.

I normally hate the idea of not signing world class players. But I'd make an exception here as I think he could be a revelation with his pace, movement and eye for goal. I'd much rather chance him than pay double the money for the other players we are linked with. Anybody agree that Vardy could be a smart bit of business (I also like that he was loyal to Leicester last season)?

The Beast

1.) 14 Jun 2017 16:59:04
I think there is method in your madness, it's a fair point but I'm not sure it will go down well.


2.) 14 Jun 2017 17:02:28
Sorry beast but it's a no from me, appreciate your selling points tho.


3.) 14 Jun 2017 17:20:42
Beast, I have been thinking the same thing someone like Giroud Aguero Benzema or vardy may be easier to target and would help Rashford and martial.


4.) 14 Jun 2017 17:23:16
Nah beast stick to your guns utd should sign world class . I'm guessing yr post is because u don't rate morata or find reported prices for him absurd. I like vardy but if we are dreaming dream bigger mate if the choice was simply vardy or morata I wouldn't be against it but there's a few I'd try for first.


5.) 14 Jun 2017 17:36:47
I think we need 2 strikers so why not both haha.

Personally I think we should bring Hernandez back along with morata.


6.) 14 Jun 2017 17:54:05
I actually agree with Beast on this. But not if Vardy is the only striker but yes if he is in addition to a belloti or Morata. I am sure he would get us goals with his pace in behind which was what we missed last season. He is also clinical in front of goal unlike Rash or Martial.


7.) 14 Jun 2017 18:01:21
I agree with some of the sentiment here but not necessarily the player mentioned - not sure Vardy is quite good enough nor does he seem like a classic Jose striker so may not fit in?

Would you sign Vard, Jred? It is unclear from your post.


8.) 14 Jun 2017 18:10:41
Nice post Beast, thinking outside the box etc. Personally I think Rashford is better option than Varday now, very similar in many ways if played more centrally but he hasn't been given too much time this season to work on that cohesion with Pogba etc. My main concern about Morata is the price. £40 - £50 million max for me but if the club can afford it I guess I shouldn't moan. He is a very good footballer who can mix it up. Not my first choice though.


9.) 14 Jun 2017 18:19:05
I think vardy is very much on the decline. I think he had been a breath of fresh air i like the way he plays but he ciuld teach rash and martial a lot in terms of running off the ball. I think he might regret not taking the arsenal move in years to come.


10.) 14 Jun 2017 18:36:13
Hb
I like vardy he must be a pain in the ar5se to play against but not really a Jose striker not sure he gives you much more than rash or martial.
I think either of them could do a similar job

But it maybe wouldn't be a bad idea, I think beast makes a good point could be a smart bit of business .

In short I'm not sure lol.


11.) 14 Jun 2017 18:47:31
Haha thanks for the honest response. I think the same regarding what Rash and Martial offer, so think we need an option in the Jose mold of a striker to give us that different option.


12.) 14 Jun 2017 19:16:36
Hb
I think that's what Jose will go for.


13.) 14 Jun 2017 19:31:11
Agree with that BEAST!

I also think Rash has the potential to esily surpass Vardy BUT at the moment, i would feel confident that Vardy would put more away for us.

Good call mate.


14.) 14 Jun 2017 20:02:19
People saying we need a world class striker and that's absolutely right, we do, but who is available?


15.) 14 Jun 2017 20:10:49
I would have rather had a punt on defoe before vardy tbh I honestly think he would be the epitome of small fish in a big pond I don't think he would perform at all .
Only my opinion.


16.) 14 Jun 2017 20:17:03
I don't get it why buy vardy because he would cost half the price of morrata. Get two years out of him. Yet moan if we pay double that for a 22_23 year old.


17.) 14 Jun 2017 21:11:50
I would get both Morata and Vardy in that case if he doesn't mind being sub. He could come on for 25mins and run the tired legs at the back a bit.


 

 

30 May 2017 18:39:35
A bit of a ramble here, but nothing much happening for a few days at least so I thought why not type my thoughts.

I think our definition of what constitutes a squad player is all wrong for Man Utd and I have just come to this view so I am guilty of doing this as well. We have too many players that you barely know are playing when on the pitch, (first team and fringe) . We seem to classify so many of our players as squad players, but are they really?

A squad player in my eyes is somebody that can not only fill in and do a job, but bring something different to the table - be an asset and could legitimately compete with the first team players for a regular place. For example one left back should be expert at attacking, the other should be expert at defending for when the opposition/ situation needs it, not just a weaker version of the other. Basically the difference in quality being negligible between starter and squad player, but the roles the squad can undertake are wider and allow for more tactical creativity. Ideal world of course is perfect at all factes of the game, but being realistic it isn't normally practical.

If I were a WBA fan for example then yes my definition of a squad player would be different and what most people on here keep referring to because the budgets and standards expected are different. A decent squad player at WBA is somebody that can do a job, and ultimately the manager and fans are just hoping they get through the game without the temporary 'weakness' hampering them too much. If they do something amazing then great, but not too much is expected of them and really they are obvious back-ups.

There is a big difference, and yes you can only play 11 players at one time, but we are paying people like Lingard, Young, Blind etc huge wages to basically be non-entities most of the time they play. All players have their moments of magic and most don't have too many howlers. But too many of our players turn up too infrequently, 1 good game is not worth 5 nothing games. It explains a lot for me about where we are.

Youth prospects should be the real 'squad players'. Ones earning £20k a week, not £100k a week.

In fact there shouldn't be squad players anymore for us, to a significant degree, we compete in so many competitions and should have numerous tactical approaches to the game that 20 of our players should be first team, with the rest of the squad made up of youngsters or experienced old timers, that would be grateful for a handful of games all season in emergencies. The squad should be a balance of different attributes at world class level especially as they are paid world class wages - all of similar levels of excellence in their specific roles and able to adapt during injury/ suspension crisis.

In fact as I started listing players above I had to stop because I was losing my point. I know in my head we have about 15-20 players that should/ could be categorised as squad players, but they play a hell of a lot of games, so really they are first team starters when fit a lot of the time.

People like, Rojo, Jones, Smalling, Shaw, Darmian, Rooney, Fellaini, Carrick, Lingard, Mata, Miki, Martial - they seem to play a lot for players we typically refer to as squad players, (I know some of you will say X isn't a squad player or they should be playing more etc, but let's not nit pick and most of these are manager dependent/ injury dependent starters or have been simply doing a job and nothing special most games) .

Doing nothing wrong seems to be classified as "had a decent game". Shouldn't be the case at our level. Just getting by is what back up players for mid-table teams deliver.

So I suggest we improve the quality on this list or at least raise our own expectations for their performance levels - we excuse nothing performances by saying they are 'squad players'. It may be a squad game but they all start a lot of important games for one reason or another! How many games would they start for top 4 teams given their actual performances not hype/ expectation, how many games do they influence really? We expect so little from so many of our regular starting team that it is mind blowing if you really think about it.

So in summary I think we need to stop looking at the squad as First Team and Squad Player, because aside from a couple of blatant extremes there is a lot of blurring of the lines here, one guys squad player is another's regular starter. But the key thing is that when you look at the whole squad it is riddled with 'nearly men', one good game in 5 game men, players paid fortunes and simply delivering very little far too frequently.

Have a nice evening, I'm off to watch Dallas.

The Beast

1.) 30 May 2017 21:05:19
Interesting post Beast. A squad player needs to be good enough to make a difference but also be prepared to be a squad player as opposed to a regular starter. We do have a few who the majority of posters call squad players but who get to play most of the time, the handsome Blind and the sinewy Lingard being prime examples.

It's a tough one, OGS was usually a sub and was always immense coming off the bench. Phil Neville eventually became a squad player for us but never let us down.

The issue today is that some of our players have not been playing as well as they can, I still maintan our team and squad are a lot better than 6th, it's up to Jose t the get the best out of them.


2.) 30 May 2017 21:19:07
I think Beast the team will be very different after the next transfer window another 4 in at least and all top players £200 million plus spent I'm guessing. Throw Griezmann Nianggolon Layporte and Aubameyang hypothetically in our first team and the squad players will take more of a back seat and than this season, I am not saying we will sign those four but I am saying it will be £200 million PLUS well spent, Jose has a great track record on transfers i think we will have a squad that's first team is on par with anyone in world football and a not to shabby selection of squad players to fill those inevitable injurys or bans that occur its going to be a great summer for us fans of this great club.


3.) 30 May 2017 19:04:11
Beast for starters your definition of squad players is wrong, no team has the type of squad players you want, because if they are nearly as good as first team, they leave the club for other clubs to get more minutes, because no likes to sit on a bench for prolonged period when you are as good as your counterpart who is starting, first team players will always be lot better than their bench options.

Secondly all those names you have put are squad players for different reasons, rojo, jones and smalling are stop gap cb's, none of those is going to be a first 11 player in the next season unless bailly and whoever we bring are injured. Darmian has been second choice to valencia at rb and shaw at lb, only reason he played a lot is because of shaw's injuries and poor performances, rooney was a starter but found himself on the bench after start of the season and now wants to leave because of it, carrick and fellaini are squad players, neither will be a first 11 player once we get a new cm and we clearly seem to be trying to get atleast 1, lingard is again a bench option, brought on to do a specific job, if everyone is fit and ready he won't be making starts, that is what a squad player is. I have never heard anyone refer to mata or mkhi or martial as squad players.


4.) 30 May 2017 19:07:54
I've been saying this for a long time Beast. The quality of our squad is poor. This is a squad assembled by Fergies left overs ( I mean no disrespect with that term) Moyes and LVG. Jose has got a big job on his hands, dismantling it and bringing in more quality. I got hammered for saying James would be a decent signing. He would because he's better than what we currently have.
I think Jose has done a fairly good job so far in getting good fees for players like Schneiderlin and Depay. He has a bigger job than some think when building HIS own squad. Our league position doesn't lie, we have lacked quality for 3-4 years now. This season just gone it was quality in attack. This is all down to 4 or 5 poor transfer windows
I realise you can't have a squad of superstars but why not supplement a good squad with the best youth players, ala Real Madrid.


5.) 30 May 2017 22:43:36
Interesting read Beast. This is why there are many players I'd want to replace sooner than Fellaini. I know many don't rate him, and as a starting midfielder I agree, but as an option to use as a target man off the bench and benches change games often. I lost count of the times I looked at our bench this season and wondered where a goal would come from.

The only bit I don't get about your post is injury cover. As an example, whenever Valancia doesn't play we lack attacking intent on the right.

On that note, where do you stand on fullbacks? Is Darmian in your list of players who offer something different i. e. a fullback with zero interest in attacking or sub standard backup?


6.) 31 May 2017 07:32:35
Exactly 2 toms. This is the worst united squad for 20 or more years.


7.) 31 May 2017 10:15:31
Beast I think your looking at players like assets and not as people. One of Sir Alex's most underrated qualities was his ability to make players who didn't command a first team place every week feel needed and important to the team.

What your suggesting is having 20 or so equally talented players with slightly different qualities to adapt to any given situation.

In an ideal world that would be great, but you are dealing with people and egos. A player who is equally as talented as the person playing ahead of him will not be happy with that situation for long.

Also your not considering the balance of the team. If you take one player out with certain characteristics and replace them with some with different characteristics then you change the balance of the team the job of several players within the team.

If as a manager you want a consistent style of play, then you don't want to have to keep adapting the team every other week as you have needed to change someone within the team.


 

 

08 May 2017 07:25:38
"We want to try to win the Europa League - it's more important than finishing fourth. I think it will be almost impossible to qualify through the Premier League, "

"Trophies make history. Not league positions. We go with everything to get into that final. " Mourinho said.

Bet he didn't say that in his job interview, or after beating Chelsea recently!

The Beast

1.) 08 May 2017 07:43:44
Beast you should let it go and stop trying to discredit Jose. Ever job has different challenges and until we know what's the final outcome we should wait to make judgements at the end of the game. The end of the game is coming but for me realistically it's end of next season.
Try not to be too negative as I am sure he is trying his best. Might have gotten wrong here and there but don't we all have those moments throughout our lives?
The football game is the same. We may be a goal down to start then we come back to win by 2-1 or more sometimes. We should let Jose build his team from his experience and background. There are not many such managers in this world anymore. They belong to the elite. But elites still need time to assemble a team of players. Let him continue to improve our team. He needs the time and only then will he bring us back to glory days again in this extremely competitive league. Ciao my frds.


2.) 08 May 2017 08:55:06
He's right, though.

Everyone laughs at Arsenal for claiming top 4 as a trophy. Now we have the chance to win an actual tropy and that isn't good enough either.

I would rather win the Europa League and finish 5th, than win nothing and finish 4th.

I have absolutely no idea why anyone would have it the other way round. There is no trophy for 4th and both give the same result.


3.) 08 May 2017 09:12:01
Wazza, if there was no Champions League place up for grabs, I'll bet there's a fair few people would disagree. Like jred mentioned above, who was really interested in the Europa at the start of the season? Now we have all this talk about, 'completing the circle'. What annoys me, is that top 4 was still a very realistic possibility before yesterday's game, even more so after the Liverpool result. Wouldn't it have been better to go for a win, rather than putting all our eggs in one basket with the Europa?


4.) 08 May 2017 11:17:20
Personally I'm interested in every trophy that we can win. I loved winning the League Cup - was a great day! Would I rather we won the league - of course yeah but we could win two trophies this year! Why aren't people satisfied by that?

I'm 33 and so grew up with Fergie and trophies - as fans we have been spoiled by that success. We have to be realistic and see that dominance that we witnessed is much more unlikely in this day and age.

The big test is next year. Have patience - we're better than we were last year, it's just that so are Chelsea, Tottenham, Liverpool, City and Everton.


 

 

08 May 2017 07:14:05
"When there is someone with the cv of a winner give them time
Recognise where there is a mess and understand there are very few quick fixes" Red Man.

I chose this quote Red Man, because I read it non-stop for the past 2 years with LVG - doesn't it apply to him as well? We got out of the frying pan, but sadly jumped into the fire!

I have said it before and I'll say it again. People are winners until they aren't. Jose lost that "Winners" title at Chelsea where he crumbled miserably before being sacked, he has done nothing since then that suggests he is anything like his former self.

We picked another manager that is passed his best, face it and move on, otherwise we end up being also rans and talking about the League Cup and Europa Cup like they are the League and Champions League. It's pathetic, but with many fans all to eager to excuse the rubbish on display it's exactly what we deserve.

Why this manager deserves so much loyalty escapes me, he is not a pleasant man publicly in interviews, says dodgy things to the press for the fans to read, he has been with us less than a year and we are bored almost every week with the passion-less, ambition-less performances.

We need to wise up and stop getting so wrapped up in trying to play business consultants. "it takes time", no it doesn't, how long did it take Conte? How long did it take Poch to turn Spurs into a force?

He has failed miserably this season. Europa was not even on the radar until our awful league situation became all too apparent, when has been the kick on at any time this season? We have even stumbled through the Europa with the easiest draws possible yet making it look like we are playing top class teams. Resting players yesterday was a joke, especially as Vigo offer nothing, foolish and reading too much into the "either/ or BS, rather than dealing with the situation like a Man Utd manager - ie go and beat the team you play next! .

Bet he parks the bus against Vigo at home, hoping for a 0-0 scrape through. Most of you would take that as well, so we can endure 6 more 'thrillers' in the CL next year. But Ajax will play the final to win if we get through and no decent player will want to sign for us that isn't interested in purely money. As Mbappe said, "he doesn't like the way Man Utd play", sums it up!

The Beast

1.) 08 May 2017 07:36:04
The irony of that post Beast is that it's Mourinho's team conte has won the league with and Spurs and Poch have still won absolutley nothing!


2.) 08 May 2017 07:51:08
Chorlton - why did Chelsea sack their manager then? All it shows is he was taking a team capable of winning things and destroying it. They cut out the cancer and see how they are doing!

Spurs have won the entertainment title and their energy/ desire with 10X less resources than us.

Give Poch our squad and a £200m transfer kitty and we would have been winning this league at a canter. Plus it wouldn't all be about him, Jose seems to be bigger than the club already.


3.) 08 May 2017 07:53:07
Come on then Beast if Jose gets the sack who gets the job?

It's been underwhelming I agree but I can't see any better candidates out there and I trust his pedigree and CV. History tells us he'll come good and get it right so I'm prepared to be patient.


4.) 08 May 2017 11:22:02
"he has done nothing since then that suggests he is anything like his former self. "

Other than win the league cup - just like he did with Chelsea.

He's also made us hard to beat and the amount of clear cut chances we have against us is much lower than last year.

Next season he will improve us offensively.

His first Chelsea side scored a lot of goals as did his Real team. We will too, but we don't want to rely on scoring 4 to win a game so fix the defence and build from there.

The football has been much better this season bar a few key games.


5.) 08 May 2017 11:24:02
Oh great the entertainment trophy, I bet the fans are loving that one. 1 actual trophy this year - potential for another actual trophy. But yeah you're right looking good is the be all and end all.


6.) 08 May 2017 11:30:13
LVG's CV didn't cover the EPL.


7.) 08 May 2017 12:10:35
We need to wise up and stop getting so wrapped up in trying to play business consultants. "it takes time", no it doesn't, how long did it take Conte? How long did it take Poch to turn Spurs into a force?

Took poch a few seasons . And Conte is playing a Jose team .?


 

 

03 May 2017 11:30:13
Let's play a game called "I don't care about performances because. ":

Start of the season - Getting points on the board and off to a good start is most important. Players need time to settle and build their fitness up, ridiculous to expect great performances so early on.

Lead up to Christmas - Players have to juggle two games a week with cups/ Europe and Internationals unsettle, a few injuries have meant players aren't used to carrying out the roles asked of them, they are doing their bit for the team. So points and wins are what matter now, not performances. We have to just get through this busy period unscathed. The manager is fine tuning his tactics so the performances will come soon.

Christmas time - Fixture congestion is a killer so it's about chalking up those points and staying in contention toward the business end. By hook or by crook we have to keep in the hunt so performances are secondary.

Late Winter/ Early Spring - We have been playing in cups, Internationals ruin the flow, players are getting really tired, the manager has his eyes on who is good enough and who isn't now so he can prepare properly next season with another 4-5 signings. So that is when we will see performances, for now it's all about points and wins and trying to push for the sacred Top 4.

Business End - All that matters is where we finish now, it doesn't matter how we play just so long as we get the points and cup wins so we can qualify for XYZ. Performances will come next season after a good pre-season.

Return to top and repeat for next season!

So my question is, when the hell do performances matter for some of you, because all I read all year is stuff like the above?

Secondly - where are these points that trumped poor performances, they seemed to matter at one stage as they were all that were important, yet once that period has gone it's focusing on what's next, not what has just gone?

Round and round in circles we go, with performances never mattering, despite that being why most of us watch games, to be entertained! Yes we can dominate a few games against really poor teams, but there has been no swagger, no style, just grind baby grind.

The Beast

1.) 03 May 2017 12:28:37
Performances matter when your not winning. No one has ever seen their team win a treble and complain about performances. Case in point not a single Inter fan complained about playing style when Jose lead them to a historic treble.

If we converted the majority of the chances we missed this season the performances wouldn't have changed one bit. But we would be top of the league with a cup in the bag and two semi finals to look forward to. And no one would have complained about the performances.


2.) 03 May 2017 12:55:03
Performances have been much better this season and that is reflected in the number of goalscoring chances we have created in most games.


3.) 03 May 2017 13:06:16
Beast,

I think people want there to be better performance as a whole across the season, not just in one game against a certain team. Last season in general the performances were absolutely dreadful, this season they have been much better but unfortunately haven't lead to the results we have all wanted due to poor finishing and occasionally poor build up play in creating the chances.

The fact we have missed chances this season shows you that we have been better than last season where we went full games without having a shot.

I know you are on a one man crusade to get United playing like you want them to play and you want to sack manager after manager until we are playing 10 up front and winning every game 13-9 but fortunately the rest of us are a little more realistic with our expectations.

When you are the only one with a certain opinion it should cross your mind that you might be wrong, interesting you have started all this up now after a bad result, we have a semi final tomorrow the last thing on my mind is how we played 4 games ago or whatever, hopefully the players are focusing on tomorrow and the next few games, I can't wait for them, it's what football is all about.


4.) 03 May 2017 13:10:35
Beast - I would pick substance over style everyday. When you obtain substance ie winning titles then add the style. Doing it the other way is what lvg tried in his 1st season when he bought cherries (falcao and dimaria) for a cake made of shite. Granted those cherries weren't the sweetest. Lvg at least realised by the 2nd season he needed new cake (schwine and schnide) unfortunately those eggs had gone off and his new cherry (depay) an inedible plastic one.


5.) 03 May 2017 13:17:42
I personally think its lack of quality that's hurt us this season Beast. The performances have been very good some games only to come away with a draw. That's down to our midfield and forwards not chipping in with enough goals and helping out Zlatan.
Our squad is seriously lacking in quality and we'll struggle next season again if we don't change some of our forwards and midfielders. Fellaini, Carrick, Lingard, Martial and Rooney aren't going to win you trophies I'm afraid. Maybe that's a bit harsh on Martial and he could still have a future if he pulled his socks up. The problem is, Jose couldn't get rid of all these players in his first season because they are the old experienced guys in the changing room. He's going to need maybe 2 more windows to get his team in place. That's when we'll start seeing the real United again.


6.) 03 May 2017 15:01:37
2toms. Spot on.
Go through or squad who are the serial achievers
Carrick who is past his best
Rooney also past his best and not played to a consistent high level for years.
Ddg won a couple of titles and is top class.
Valencia won a lot but not as a right back
Pogba serial winner
None of the rest of our players have ever won anything or been part of teams that have won major trophies. They are not achievers thaey are not proven winners.
People like miki or herrera could easily slot in with 10 other top class players at Madrid or Barcelona and not look out of place but there is nowhere near enough quality in our squad
Hand on heart how many of our players would get into the Madrid Barcelona spurs Munich page or Chelsea squads never mind 1st 11. And in reverse how many of the players in their squads would make our 1st 11.
Lvg failed badly notes failed badly Jose could still have our best season for 4 years but will still have failed to mount a great league campaign.
These players are not under performing imo they are performing to their level which is not good enough for Manchester United. Even the best coach can only take limited players so far.


7.) 03 May 2017 14:55:34
Mainly quality in front of goal. The chief offender in this respect has been Pogba. He's had enough great chances to have scored 20+ goals this season. If he can develop into a natural finisher like, for example Lampard, then this team becomes a totally different entity. In general, we've replaced boredom with frustration. As far as I'm concerned that's a step forward.

It will be very interesting to see who comes and goes in the transfer window, and even more interesting to see how we fair in Jose's second season.


8.) 03 May 2017 15:13:52
Good points lads.

I would definitely concede that we have looked a lot more likely to win games under Jose than we ever did under LVG so that is a step forward. I suppose it's the speed of the progress, or the size of the step that is frustrating me. Waste is a good word. Waste of money, Waste of talent, Waste of time (we had a great window to leap ahead again but failed) and Wasting away my ability to be enthused before games. I feel ground down.

There's always next season and I hope above hope that Jose actually learns from his errors this year, rather than being ridiculously stubborn like his predecessor who doubled down on boredom.


9.) 03 May 2017 16:37:54
6 extra goals this season would have given us ten extra points at least.

If we are more clinical next season we will challenge on all fronts IMO.


10.) 03 May 2017 18:36:36
As shawthing says, if we could find a midfielder who could get 10,12 or 15 goals a season we'd be right up there with Chelsea and Spurs. Pogba seems to get in the right positions and arrives in the box at the right time but lacks the quality in his finishing.
A Dele Alli type would be perfect.


 

 

 

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17 Jun 2017 14:19:30
No thanks - a nothing player for me. Barely notice him and we have enough of those.

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14 Jun 2017 15:40:57
To be fair Davies is playing with better players than Robertson. So his stats should be better, even though I hate stats. One of those assists could have hit him on the back of his head accidentally, or he could have put 100 beautiful balls in only for the striker to finish - who gives the rating as well, we can't agree on here what to give our own players out of 10 and what we are basing things on?

Alli, Kane and Eriksen are all a lot more clinical than any of the Hull attackers as well. Their full backs mainly attack, Hull's mainly have to defend. Comparing apples with rotten apples, imo.

But again Davies is in the catchment of starter for mid-table team imo.

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14 Jun 2017 12:14:20
Robertson, Creswell, Bertrand - all much of a muchness for me. All mid-table PL standard, Bayern, PSG, Madrid, Chelsea, City, etc - all wouldn't bother to crane their necks, let alone look twice.

Mendy, Rose is the type of standard that will elevate us, much rather gamble on Shaw coming good than blow money on the others though.

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13 Jun 2017 18:29:45
Absolute joke if we sign Matic and Chelsea sign Bakayoko/ Verratti.

Reminds me of us taking Schweiny whilst Bayern sign Vidal.

If this happens we are a shambles. We need to be signing the best, not rejects. Matic is a good player, but Chelsea would improve more than we will by this deal. We need to be closing the gap, not widening it.

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13 Jun 2017 06:38:05
Ken - True, but in our style/ system we rely on our full backs a hell of a lot for creating space and chances, Bertrand is not good enough. Also he played 28 games for Chelsea in total (not one season, 9 seasons with various loan outs I admit I thought it would be more than that), I imagine the majority of those were in meaningless cup games and coming on as a sub as well.

Mendy and Rose are the two I'd want as well mate, Bertrand is a typical Liverpool player for me.

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22 Jun 2017 20:06:05
We don't need a slow sitter breaking up play, we need another like Herrera imo in an ideal world. Read the game, energy, good on the ball, tackles, all rounder. We have 5 men marking 1 attacker most games, rarely do we need an extra man sitting deep.

We have Fellani and Carrick to do that if we have to, but we would be much better spending our money on a Vidal type rather than a Matic type imo.

Just not bothered about Matic, be another 7/ 10 player - too many of them.

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22 Jun 2017 18:35:44
We don't need that skill-set either.

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22 Jun 2017 18:35:13
No guarantees of course. I just like him and think he will be a great signing, short and long term. I know a lot more about Matic like most of us, why would we sign a player no longer needed by a rival that has been performing below their best for a while? It would be like signing Fernando from City.

I get it that he is proven in the league, but countless players arrive and do well without being proven in the league. Don't get me wrong he will improve us a bit still, but not enough and I'd rather roll the dice on somebody I prefer. Matic is a roll of the dice as well, he could very easily be a Schneiderlin or Schweiny.

I wouldn't be too bothered about signing him, much better out there now and most importantly if Chelsea don't want him then neither should we.

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22 Jun 2017 14:52:42
Shappy - Sanchez is not an Arsenal cast off and everyone knew Makele was class, Madrid just have a a history of signing too many top class players for the same position - which means now and again you can pick one up for a decent price. (NOT MORATA, definitely NOT MORATA) .

Bakayoko is who we should be going for if we are building for the future. Failing that go back for Vidal if we want somebody to energise the midfield. A midfield of Herrera, Pogba and Vidal would be phenomenal.

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22 Jun 2017 14:49:22
We need to be catching Chelsea, not taking players they are happy to offload. I have the same feelings about Willian.

Good players, but they are not going to lift us enough, big money transfers, big wages, therefore assured first team starters if we do sign them and really both have dropped off significantly in recent time.

We need to be looking at the level above Matic, especially as he has been off colour for quite some time now. Unnecessary and expensive gamble.

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