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13 Jan 2017 19:14:26
Hopefully this Costa incident is the trigger for the much needed Chelsea collapse. Win on Sunday and everyone will be scared that we are coming for them.

The Beast

{Ed025's Note - my fear beast is that they may make a move for lukaku now, he would jump at the chance imo mate..


1.) 13 Jan 2017 20:52:24
We, I really don't rate Lukaku, I know he can sometimes bully CBs and score dramatic goals but generally he looks like a fat lump blundering around. Just my view of course.

{Ed025's Note - thats very nasty and short sighted of you AJH...but very true.. :)


2.) 13 Jan 2017 22:07:38
He's like that heavily made up blonde on a night out who looks very tasty until you get her into the light, beer googles at their most seductive.


3.) 13 Jan 2017 22:10:18
😂😂😂


4.) 14 Jan 2017 03:46:48
If costa is sold or even just has a falling out with conte, we really need to beat liverpool, as i was hoping and i think most utd fans will agree, if we aren't able to win the league it is better if chelsea do it rather than one of city or liverpool.


5.) 14 Jan 2017 11:16:54
Lukaku is perfect for Chelsea's system but he's no Diego Costa. I can't see them letting him go this January though although a summer deal makes sense.


6.) 14 Jan 2017 12:13:23
I know Costa is expensive but £80 million for a coffee is just ridiculous.


7.) 14 Jan 2017 14:26:04
I'm not sure about timing but I read that the Chinese are going to be clamping down big time on the money being spent by their clubs, as a means of capital controls (just doing it with Bitcoin now) . So maybe there is a major timing factor involved, possibly a one time opportunity for the start of their new season.

Possibly why the amounts in question seem so desperate and why Costa is trying to force a move now. Just speculating of course.


8.) 14 Jan 2017 19:56:59
Costa isn't trying to force his way out.


9.) 15 Jan 2017 01:30:24
i hope costa stays where he is (and stops scoring) because if he leaves they might bid for moussa dembele of celtic.


10.) 15 Jan 2017 13:36:29
hmm Jackson, who knows what to believe. Quite a coincidence we were only talking of something like this the other day. That said you still smashed Leicester and have a £30m striker rotting on the bench, so still need a few more spanners in the works to give us a sniff.


11.) 16 Jan 2017 19:38:40
Hope he stays. He's saved my dream team this season.


 

 

01 Jul 2016 17:29:56
I just read that Neymar signs a 5 year deal, but his buyout clause rises the further he gets into his contract, this seems odd to me is it odd?

It's almost as if they are telling clubs to come and get him now if they are interested.

Does anybody know what his buyout was prior to the new contract? It's now £167m for the first year, rising to 186m 2nd year and then £209 for the third), on the Beeb.

The Beast

1.) 01 Jul 2016 18:07:30
Not sure but this deal is pretty sensible from barca, with teams like palace throwing £30m at Marseille for that Belgian lad who knows how much players will be going for in 5 years, it's gone even more ridiculous this year.


2.) 01 Jul 2016 18:08:46
Beast I don't know enough about buy out clauses but it makes great sense for the owners as under normal circumstances the players value decreases as his contact runs down. It also means that they will be in no rush to Renew and give him another rise in order to uphold his value.


3.) 01 Jul 2016 19:34:13
Great points guys, hadn't even considered that in my haste.


 

 

10 Jul 2015 16:38:30
Hi Ed's - I am a regular contributor to the site as you may know. Several people ask about a fantasy football league each year and I have been part of one for the past 4/5 years, I can vouch for the credibility of it. I didn't want to post on the website without your permission first, this is what I want to post, do you mind?

"I am part of a dream team league, ran by a chap called Andy. I have done this for the past 4+years and it works a treat. You pay £50 upfront and each month there is a prize for manager of the month, the remaining money goes into a pot for the top 3 managers of the year - all registration fees are redistributed to winning managers. I have personally won a few managers of the month and have been paid appropriately. This is just a group of guys coming together and nothing formal/company orchestrated, so if you want to join the league the code is 90970-25762 (it is the Fantasy Premier League). Andy will provide you with his acct details if you join and over recent seasons we have had over 50 people in the league – it was primarily a group of friends but I have asked him if he would mind me opening it up to my “banter buddies” and he has no problem so long as it causes him no issues"

The Beast

{Ed002's Note - Sure, no problem.}


1.) 10 Jul 2015 17:24:08
Super Beast, Might join you on that .


2.) 10 Jul 2015 19:35:39
Now I'm confused yesterday someone was going to setup a FF competition for the lads all here at no cost, I think that £50 is a tad steep especially when in euros it's 70 or more for your one Beast.

Now I'm not a tight git but I try play the FF gig and more times than not forget to change players etc, as I get caught up in stuff at home or within family homes doing repairs etc so miss a lot of the tactical changes lol!!

If we were to set up a MUFC page FF competition and at a cost of €20/25 I would enter it no problem


3.) 10 Jul 2015 20:02:09
Pyramid Scheme!


4.) 10 Jul 2015 23:10:25
We had one for free last season, not sure who set it up but we had over 70 people in it from this website.

The one I am talking about has cash aspects attached so obviously won't be for everyone. I throw in £50 with this guys league because if you win a manager of the month its normally £80-£100, then £1k or so to overall winner.

Horses for courses, I just put it out there as some people were asking and I have always been paid on time.


 

 

21 May 2014 19:30:13
Keeping with the trend of being a bit left field today.

Does anybody know what the situation is with Yarmolenko & Konoplyanka. They obviously both play in Ukraine (Europes South Sudan at the minute), so with all the unrest I don't know what this will mean for their domestic game, would Kiev & Dnipro be up for selling and if so would they finto LVG's system?

The Beast

{Ed002's Note - Konoplyanka is available and there is a lot of interest including from MU.}


 

 

 

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18 Aug 2017 16:57:26
I have a sneaky feeling Countinho will go to Barcelona and Mr. Doesn't Understand Inflation (Costa) will be his replacement. This will make Liverpool stronger imo. No info just reading between the lines. I'm pleased two of our main rivals for the title are going to be messy for the next few weeks.

The Beast

1.) 18 Aug 2017 17:48:23
Liverpool if I'm assuming I'm reading that correctly? Are no rivals for the title especially with our ongoing mess regarding van dijk. We are a shambles at the back and still need IMO a top midfielder. City and spurs will push united. Whether coutinho stays (he's staying in my eyes) or goes it makes little difference to the shambolic defense. Younger Arnold is the only positive in that defence. Other than that we have two centre backs with no organisation, no communication and no positional sense when under pressure
As for mignolet? He's an average keeper and terrible distributer of the ball. He's takes out more kid's in the stands than finding our own players.


2.) 18 Aug 2017 17:49:42
0% chance.


3.) 18 Aug 2017 18:01:26
Yeah Liverpool Big Al. You are ropy at the back for sure, but I don't think that will matter too much this season as there are several quality teams that will dominate most games they play, when they play each other it will be a toss of a coin most games.

I think we will storm away to start and you lot with the rest will be playing catch up all season. Costa will be like a Suarez for you guys if it happens, just the way he was talking today about Athletico running out of time made me think that Liverpool will be in for him if they sell Coutinho - they have to take the money on offer it's ridiculous and they don't want an unhappy player. Liverpool will want to make a big statement if they lose him and an out and out striker like Costa would probably tick the box for £50m.


4.) 18 Aug 2017 19:00:22
I agree with that Big Al. What are your thoughts on Mr Klopps time at Liverpool so far?


5.) 18 Aug 2017 19:01:22
For me they are mental turning down £113m for Coutinho. For that money surely you would expect one of the top 5 most influential players in the world? Coutinho isn't in the top 5 players in the league when it comes to consistently influencing matches. For me I don't even think he's Liverpool's most influential player as Mane is a constant threat in most games where as Coutinho drifts in and out of games. He's just as likely to produce a piece of magic as he is to do nothing at all.

With that money they could sign a proper centre back, a forward and a Coutinho replacement. At that point they'd be a much bigger threat.


6.) 18 Aug 2017 19:17:13
Just another example of the simply ridiculous money floating around this window £113 mil for coutinho! Really?


7.) 18 Aug 2017 19:37:21
Bargain Deano! And DeGea will leave for £46m apparently.


8.) 18 Aug 2017 21:35:50
On klopp he clearly has his faults. One of them illegally approaching players that has made a certain to be Liverpool player possibly a Chelsea or elsewhere player in van dijk. If we fail to sign van dijk there's no owners or club to blame. Just klopp on that one. Also it looks as though he wants a top midfielder in. Keita would be an excellent buy but even that's looking unlikely. His club don't want to sell. So if the window ends with no further incoming players and especially those targets missed out I can't see us having really improved. Our backline is just criminal to be honest. It's not acceptable at a club like Liverpool to have mignolet in goal. Again klopp bought karius who made a few blunders and pulled him out. BTW karius distribution was top class. Sadly he's no confidence in the lad and we're back to problem 1. De gea was a mistake waiting to happen when he first played for United but was given time to truly excel. Karius hasn't.

On the coutinho fee? No I'm not surprised nor even upset at all that we've said no. I've become extremely desensitised to player fees since van dijk was priced at 60 million and fans thought it was reasonable. Same as lukakus and neymars fee. To me it's like monopoly money at this stage. On whether we should sell him as yall think it's fantastic? Absolutely not. It's of no advantage for us to sell at this stage. there's no one available to replace him and that money means nothing in respect to our transfer dealings. Southampton and keitas club don't want to sell so what does coutinhos transfer have to do with that? Plus we have money to spend. We don't need it. Coutinhos our best player and is flourishing into a truly great player. If Barcelona offer 150 I still don't want to sell him definitely not this window anyway.


9.) 18 Aug 2017 21:41:46
Have just heard Barcelona have changed and now have offered 114million for fellani, Jose has turned it down though 😜.


10.) 18 Aug 2017 22:42:26
I can't imagine anyone wanting Costa now, he couldn't be handling the situation any worse.


11.) 19 Aug 2017 00:08:19
I reckon Phil Jones is worth a cool £squillion.

Utterly ridiculous.


 

 

13 Aug 2017 18:06:52
Just wanted to say that this game had so many great signs. We looked under-prepared against Madrid but we looked ready for West Ham.

Exciting times are back, or certainly should be, Of course it was only West Ham and I remember Moyes battering Swansea in his first game, but this feels different, it feels like the squad has depth and we have options. I'm happy to say that for the first time in a long time I believe no team would relish playing us and claiming the scalp that sounded harder than it was in recent years. We broke down a team that we wouldn't have last season and had a lot of room to improve. Happy tonight and roll on Swansea - 6-0.- I did have us winning the league in predictions comp, but my head is with my heart after that showing. Lots to be excited about for once.

The Beast

1.) 13 Aug 2017 18:23:43
Wow. the best sign is that the Beast is happy! The future is bright! Haha.


2.) 13 Aug 2017 18:15:22
It was a great performance, everybody contributed, and bear in mind it will take a few games for them all to get very fit. I thought it was very different from last year, direct, faster paced, and more importantly, last year we might have drawn that game 0-0 or 1-1. It's only 1 game but it was a great one. I like Mata but imagine Martial and Rashford both out wide, it would terrorise defences.


3.) 13 Aug 2017 18:21:53
Agree beast plenty of options and competition we look good .
Lukaku suits our shape as well big strong and quick but plays right up in the 9, gives the players behind space to play in and options .


4.) 13 Aug 2017 18:27:24
Ajh
Potentially it's very very good.


5.) 13 Aug 2017 18:42:30
How nice to see signs of the old Utd coming back. About time too. Just a word of caution I still think we need a genuine quick winger and against decent opposition I think unless Shaw steps up we might be in trouble because Blind is not quick enough. Overall though it's a very solid start. I have a seek feeling we still might get Bale and if we do that will really put the cat among the pigeons.


6.) 13 Aug 2017 18:48:32
We looked fantastic. And we all walked out happy that the entertainment and energy is back. Superb display.


7.) 13 Aug 2017 20:27:17
Armageddon might be upon us.
Didn't see the game, but hearing this from Beast can't be good 😂.


 

 

07 Jul 2017 08:24:13
AJH - I don't argue/ disagree for the sake of it. I just don't understand the Lukaku deal (if it happens), we needed an energetic striker, the vast majority of people were saying it last season and the major criticism of Zlatan was his lack of movement. Despite his good goal return Zlatan offered very little else, despite being a very clever and technically gifted striker.

Now we are about to spend £75m+ on a player with far less technical ability and movement than Zlatan and the vast majority are delighted. It makes no sense to me. I'm sure he will get goals, but so should any striker for Utd, I actually rate Giroud/ Costa/ Kane/ Vardy maybe even Deeney (workrate) higher than Lukaku and think they would offer more to a Utd team.

I'm not annoyed about the deal, i'm confused by the reaction to it on here. I hope to be pleasantly surprised if it comes off as it is a better deal than Morata. But we don't need a Lukaku and £75m is a lot of dosh to spend irrespective of the big fees elsewhere.

I also worry about the amount of ball we will be losing in the final third, moves will break down a hell of a lot because of Lukaku's poor touch and lack of movement. We will play even less incisive football (is that possible? ) . I just fear we are going to be too long ball, counter attack and wasting the flair players we have with this move.

Time will tell, but I'm not depressed, just skeptical and surprised at the obvious contradictions in what our fans say they want from a striker, because Lukaku is a poor man's Zlatan despite being 10+years younger.

At least we will be more of a threat from corners, if Matic comes as well (another I see no need for) then it will be the land of the giants out there.

The Beast

{Ed025's Note - ah well..so long as your happy beast.. :)


1.) 07 Jul 2017 08:34:15
Less movement than Zlatan?

{Ed025's Note - a bollard has more movement than zlatan..


2.) 07 Jul 2017 08:50:40
But an excellent touch.

{Ed025's Note - your right there eric..


3.) 07 Jul 2017 08:57:33
Fair enough, I'll give you Kane and possibly Costa, but apart from that I think you are being overly harsh. I'm not delighted but he has pace and power and will score goals. I wasn't delighted when we signed Yorke but look how that went for a few years.

Our issue last year was conversion, if we had put away a few teams at home we would have been comfortably 2nd or 3rd, Lukaku has proved he can do this. All this nonsense about goals against the top 6, Kane also ha a poor record against big teams, often those games are very low scoring.

We'd all like Messi but we have to go with who the Manager wants, who is available, and who will come. Zlatan slowed everything down last year, we can now break with speed and counter much more effectively.

As fr the reaction, there are posters passionate about players they have never seen, it's the silly season. As we have seen so often, we can all have hugely different views on our own players, let alone those we are trying to sign.


4.) 07 Jul 2017 09:05:59
Good mate - But Yorke had a much better technical game than Lukaku imo, he was the smooth to Cole's rough - 4-4-2 is an enabler. I like you didn't think Yorke would be up to snuff, but we are both obviously happy to be proven wrong if it works out best for the club.

If we played with 2 up top then Lukaku could be a great signing. I doubt we will, but you never know.


5.) 07 Jul 2017 09:44:36
Beast,

Don't think it's any surprise you're being negative about it, I would be more worried if you were being positive.


6.) 07 Jul 2017 09:56:49
I agree with what beast is saying . The only thing I'd add though is that you're now saying the yang to the other posters ying Beast . Balancing the see saw by laying heavy on the other side .
I.


7.) 07 Jul 2017 10:03:24
GDS, that's my point, he used to be positive but some strange affliction has come over him for the last year or so.


8.) 07 Jul 2017 10:07:31
Andy cole had a horrible touch. That worked out alright.


9.) 07 Jul 2017 10:10:48
7 days into the window, 1 main transfer target sorted, another 2-3 probable/ in talks and yet so much negativity! Just be patient folks and see what happens.
Its the same old culprits whinging like its the end of the world every transfer window and Beast.
never thought of answering/ commenting on your constant negative posts ; take some medication mate preferably some calmers.


10.) 07 Jul 2017 11:05:48
Possibly Griezmann would be the second one up top with Lukaku next season.


11.) 07 Jul 2017 11:17:27
Angel, I made that very point in another reply somewhere, he often looked like he had his boots on the wrong feet but what a player. He was never at the very top but he was a proper United player, loved him.


12.) 07 Jul 2017 11:28:28
He was AJH, if we get the same from Lukaku, probably even more goals, he will be fondly remembered.

I don't think Lukaku's touch is as bad as Cole's was by the way lol.


13.) 07 Jul 2017 12:42:33
Yeah, I watched a lot of Everton last season (had half their defence in my dream team), I didn't notice Lukaku much at all most games.

The way we play a striker can't be anonymous like that. He'll get goals, but the team collectively will score less than if we had a more mobile and technically sound striker.


 

 

14 Jun 2017 16:52:14
I was thinking about our striker situation and I agree we need one because Rash doesn't look ready and Martial is a risk. But I don't think we should gamble on somebody like Morata or Belotti for the money being asked.

I'd personally go for Vardy, probably less than £40m, would work his socks off and we need that from a striker. He would feed off of Pogba all day long and is proven in the league. We'd get a good two years out of him and I believe he would be happy being rotated as well.

I normally hate the idea of not signing world class players. But I'd make an exception here as I think he could be a revelation with his pace, movement and eye for goal. I'd much rather chance him than pay double the money for the other players we are linked with. Anybody agree that Vardy could be a smart bit of business (I also like that he was loyal to Leicester last season)?

The Beast

1.) 14 Jun 2017 16:59:04
I think there is method in your madness, it's a fair point but I'm not sure it will go down well.


2.) 14 Jun 2017 17:02:28
Sorry beast but it's a no from me, appreciate your selling points tho.


3.) 14 Jun 2017 17:20:42
Beast, I have been thinking the same thing someone like Giroud Aguero Benzema or vardy may be easier to target and would help Rashford and martial.


4.) 14 Jun 2017 17:23:16
Nah beast stick to your guns utd should sign world class . I'm guessing yr post is because u don't rate morata or find reported prices for him absurd. I like vardy but if we are dreaming dream bigger mate if the choice was simply vardy or morata I wouldn't be against it but there's a few I'd try for first.


5.) 14 Jun 2017 17:36:47
I think we need 2 strikers so why not both haha.

Personally I think we should bring Hernandez back along with morata.


6.) 14 Jun 2017 17:54:05
I actually agree with Beast on this. But not if Vardy is the only striker but yes if he is in addition to a belloti or Morata. I am sure he would get us goals with his pace in behind which was what we missed last season. He is also clinical in front of goal unlike Rash or Martial.


7.) 14 Jun 2017 18:01:21
I agree with some of the sentiment here but not necessarily the player mentioned - not sure Vardy is quite good enough nor does he seem like a classic Jose striker so may not fit in?

Would you sign Vard, Jred? It is unclear from your post.


8.) 14 Jun 2017 18:10:41
Nice post Beast, thinking outside the box etc. Personally I think Rashford is better option than Varday now, very similar in many ways if played more centrally but he hasn't been given too much time this season to work on that cohesion with Pogba etc. My main concern about Morata is the price. £40 - £50 million max for me but if the club can afford it I guess I shouldn't moan. He is a very good footballer who can mix it up. Not my first choice though.


9.) 14 Jun 2017 18:19:05
I think vardy is very much on the decline. I think he had been a breath of fresh air i like the way he plays but he ciuld teach rash and martial a lot in terms of running off the ball. I think he might regret not taking the arsenal move in years to come.


10.) 14 Jun 2017 18:36:13
Hb
I like vardy he must be a pain in the ar5se to play against but not really a Jose striker not sure he gives you much more than rash or martial.
I think either of them could do a similar job

But it maybe wouldn't be a bad idea, I think beast makes a good point could be a smart bit of business .

In short I'm not sure lol.


11.) 14 Jun 2017 18:47:31
Haha thanks for the honest response. I think the same regarding what Rash and Martial offer, so think we need an option in the Jose mold of a striker to give us that different option.


12.) 14 Jun 2017 19:16:36
Hb
I think that's what Jose will go for.


13.) 14 Jun 2017 19:31:11
Agree with that BEAST!

I also think Rash has the potential to esily surpass Vardy BUT at the moment, i would feel confident that Vardy would put more away for us.

Good call mate.


14.) 14 Jun 2017 20:02:19
People saying we need a world class striker and that's absolutely right, we do, but who is available?


15.) 14 Jun 2017 20:10:49
I would have rather had a punt on defoe before vardy tbh I honestly think he would be the epitome of small fish in a big pond I don't think he would perform at all .
Only my opinion.


16.) 14 Jun 2017 20:17:03
I don't get it why buy vardy because he would cost half the price of morrata. Get two years out of him. Yet moan if we pay double that for a 22_23 year old.


17.) 14 Jun 2017 21:11:50
I would get both Morata and Vardy in that case if he doesn't mind being sub. He could come on for 25mins and run the tired legs at the back a bit.


 

 

30 May 2017 18:39:35
A bit of a ramble here, but nothing much happening for a few days at least so I thought why not type my thoughts.

I think our definition of what constitutes a squad player is all wrong for Man Utd and I have just come to this view so I am guilty of doing this as well. We have too many players that you barely know are playing when on the pitch, (first team and fringe) . We seem to classify so many of our players as squad players, but are they really?

A squad player in my eyes is somebody that can not only fill in and do a job, but bring something different to the table - be an asset and could legitimately compete with the first team players for a regular place. For example one left back should be expert at attacking, the other should be expert at defending for when the opposition/ situation needs it, not just a weaker version of the other. Basically the difference in quality being negligible between starter and squad player, but the roles the squad can undertake are wider and allow for more tactical creativity. Ideal world of course is perfect at all factes of the game, but being realistic it isn't normally practical.

If I were a WBA fan for example then yes my definition of a squad player would be different and what most people on here keep referring to because the budgets and standards expected are different. A decent squad player at WBA is somebody that can do a job, and ultimately the manager and fans are just hoping they get through the game without the temporary 'weakness' hampering them too much. If they do something amazing then great, but not too much is expected of them and really they are obvious back-ups.

There is a big difference, and yes you can only play 11 players at one time, but we are paying people like Lingard, Young, Blind etc huge wages to basically be non-entities most of the time they play. All players have their moments of magic and most don't have too many howlers. But too many of our players turn up too infrequently, 1 good game is not worth 5 nothing games. It explains a lot for me about where we are.

Youth prospects should be the real 'squad players'. Ones earning £20k a week, not £100k a week.

In fact there shouldn't be squad players anymore for us, to a significant degree, we compete in so many competitions and should have numerous tactical approaches to the game that 20 of our players should be first team, with the rest of the squad made up of youngsters or experienced old timers, that would be grateful for a handful of games all season in emergencies. The squad should be a balance of different attributes at world class level especially as they are paid world class wages - all of similar levels of excellence in their specific roles and able to adapt during injury/ suspension crisis.

In fact as I started listing players above I had to stop because I was losing my point. I know in my head we have about 15-20 players that should/ could be categorised as squad players, but they play a hell of a lot of games, so really they are first team starters when fit a lot of the time.

People like, Rojo, Jones, Smalling, Shaw, Darmian, Rooney, Fellaini, Carrick, Lingard, Mata, Miki, Martial - they seem to play a lot for players we typically refer to as squad players, (I know some of you will say X isn't a squad player or they should be playing more etc, but let's not nit pick and most of these are manager dependent/ injury dependent starters or have been simply doing a job and nothing special most games) .

Doing nothing wrong seems to be classified as "had a decent game". Shouldn't be the case at our level. Just getting by is what back up players for mid-table teams deliver.

So I suggest we improve the quality on this list or at least raise our own expectations for their performance levels - we excuse nothing performances by saying they are 'squad players'. It may be a squad game but they all start a lot of important games for one reason or another! How many games would they start for top 4 teams given their actual performances not hype/ expectation, how many games do they influence really? We expect so little from so many of our regular starting team that it is mind blowing if you really think about it.

So in summary I think we need to stop looking at the squad as First Team and Squad Player, because aside from a couple of blatant extremes there is a lot of blurring of the lines here, one guys squad player is another's regular starter. But the key thing is that when you look at the whole squad it is riddled with 'nearly men', one good game in 5 game men, players paid fortunes and simply delivering very little far too frequently.

Have a nice evening, I'm off to watch Dallas.

The Beast

1.) 30 May 2017 21:05:19
Interesting post Beast. A squad player needs to be good enough to make a difference but also be prepared to be a squad player as opposed to a regular starter. We do have a few who the majority of posters call squad players but who get to play most of the time, the handsome Blind and the sinewy Lingard being prime examples.

It's a tough one, OGS was usually a sub and was always immense coming off the bench. Phil Neville eventually became a squad player for us but never let us down.

The issue today is that some of our players have not been playing as well as they can, I still maintan our team and squad are a lot better than 6th, it's up to Jose t the get the best out of them.


2.) 30 May 2017 21:19:07
I think Beast the team will be very different after the next transfer window another 4 in at least and all top players £200 million plus spent I'm guessing. Throw Griezmann Nianggolon Layporte and Aubameyang hypothetically in our first team and the squad players will take more of a back seat and than this season, I am not saying we will sign those four but I am saying it will be £200 million PLUS well spent, Jose has a great track record on transfers i think we will have a squad that's first team is on par with anyone in world football and a not to shabby selection of squad players to fill those inevitable injurys or bans that occur its going to be a great summer for us fans of this great club.


3.) 30 May 2017 19:04:11
Beast for starters your definition of squad players is wrong, no team has the type of squad players you want, because if they are nearly as good as first team, they leave the club for other clubs to get more minutes, because no likes to sit on a bench for prolonged period when you are as good as your counterpart who is starting, first team players will always be lot better than their bench options.

Secondly all those names you have put are squad players for different reasons, rojo, jones and smalling are stop gap cb's, none of those is going to be a first 11 player in the next season unless bailly and whoever we bring are injured. Darmian has been second choice to valencia at rb and shaw at lb, only reason he played a lot is because of shaw's injuries and poor performances, rooney was a starter but found himself on the bench after start of the season and now wants to leave because of it, carrick and fellaini are squad players, neither will be a first 11 player once we get a new cm and we clearly seem to be trying to get atleast 1, lingard is again a bench option, brought on to do a specific job, if everyone is fit and ready he won't be making starts, that is what a squad player is. I have never heard anyone refer to mata or mkhi or martial as squad players.


4.) 30 May 2017 19:07:54
I've been saying this for a long time Beast. The quality of our squad is poor. This is a squad assembled by Fergies left overs ( I mean no disrespect with that term) Moyes and LVG. Jose has got a big job on his hands, dismantling it and bringing in more quality. I got hammered for saying James would be a decent signing. He would because he's better than what we currently have.
I think Jose has done a fairly good job so far in getting good fees for players like Schneiderlin and Depay. He has a bigger job than some think when building HIS own squad. Our league position doesn't lie, we have lacked quality for 3-4 years now. This season just gone it was quality in attack. This is all down to 4 or 5 poor transfer windows
I realise you can't have a squad of superstars but why not supplement a good squad with the best youth players, ala Real Madrid.


5.) 30 May 2017 22:43:36
Interesting read Beast. This is why there are many players I'd want to replace sooner than Fellaini. I know many don't rate him, and as a starting midfielder I agree, but as an option to use as a target man off the bench and benches change games often. I lost count of the times I looked at our bench this season and wondered where a goal would come from.

The only bit I don't get about your post is injury cover. As an example, whenever Valancia doesn't play we lack attacking intent on the right.

On that note, where do you stand on fullbacks? Is Darmian in your list of players who offer something different i. e. a fullback with zero interest in attacking or sub standard backup?


6.) 31 May 2017 07:32:35
Exactly 2 toms. This is the worst united squad for 20 or more years.


7.) 31 May 2017 10:15:31
Beast I think your looking at players like assets and not as people. One of Sir Alex's most underrated qualities was his ability to make players who didn't command a first team place every week feel needed and important to the team.

What your suggesting is having 20 or so equally talented players with slightly different qualities to adapt to any given situation.

In an ideal world that would be great, but you are dealing with people and egos. A player who is equally as talented as the person playing ahead of him will not be happy with that situation for long.

Also your not considering the balance of the team. If you take one player out with certain characteristics and replace them with some with different characteristics then you change the balance of the team the job of several players within the team.

If as a manager you want a consistent style of play, then you don't want to have to keep adapting the team every other week as you have needed to change someone within the team.


 

 

 

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12 Oct 2017 13:01:17
Contracts mean virtually nothing in this scenario, we could just pay him off if we wanted him gone as we did with LVG and Moyes. Alternatively he could just walk at any time as he has so much money now. More important for players than managers imo.

I'd just give rolling 1 year contracts anyway. You only want a manager that is happy to work at the club, and why handicap yourself to paying compensation if they aren't good enough or their heart isn't in it? So I wouldn't extend anything long term, just at the end of each season I'd assess the performance and say ok we think you are worth X amount for another 12 months and here are your targets, take it or Grump off! I'd also only pay a nominal basic, but huge bonuses on achieving the objectives. That way a confident manager will back himself and drive it for the big payday. I'd also do that with players, you only want the ones that truly believe they will do as they claim they will.

It will only take a couple of the top clubs to do this and everyone else will fall in line. No longer will wages be out of control for failures, only the best will be rewarded and kids won't be crippled before they start their careers with ridiculous money without delivering anything.

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03 Sep 2017 11:40:55
USD probably going to be smashed soon, (already getting hammered), so whilst GBP and USD are weak it may be an opportune time for a deal. Especially with Qatar sanctions and other geo-political problems emerging in Qatar they may want to act quickly to secure more solid overseas assets that aren't dependent on natural gas for example.

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24 Aug 2017 16:36:12
Jred - I think it's fair to add caveats to saying it's a good move.

Good move so long as he is treated as an equal and judged solely on what he does on the pitch/ training ground, not what the media, agents, reputation and Zlatan's own ego demand.

If he is afforded preferential treatment then it's an awful move.

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24 Aug 2017 15:43:56
Doubt anybody has a problem with him signing again. The problem will come when/ if reputation trumps performance.

Shrewd move and remember me and a few others getting slammed for suggesting this may well happen at the end of last season.

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22 Aug 2017 16:31:08
Cheers Red, unsurprisingly never heard of the guy, but let's see what happens.

The current Mesut Ozil isn't good enough for us, so it doesn't get my blood flowing. BTW I thought Steve Buscemi was the new Mesut Ozil.

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19 Oct 2017 14:30:32
Really rate Poch, wanted him after Moyes, definitely after LVG but I think Jose is here for a while yet.

Poch has his teams play tight but with bags of energy and no fear. Major criticism I have is our players look scared to commit going forward and we are too defensive for our stature and quality.

I think he will be our next manager.

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19 Oct 2017 14:24:37
GDS2 - It's hard to argue with what you say mate as the cold hard facts indicate we are a force to be reckoned with. My major issue is the same as always - what's the point in having a a glamour model bird if you have to watch her perform way past 10pm on cable tv and she turns up knackered as you leave for work? (loose connection with last on MOTD again and we would be for CLTV)

So much potential, so boring to watch - be nice to enjoy all the kit we have in the locker for once.

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15 Oct 2017 11:55:31
It's about winning to the players and manager - it's about entertainment to the fans. If it's just about winning for everyone then why isn't other boring sports like chess popular? It's because football is meant to be entertaining, the reason so much money is in the game and people like Jose benefit from that is because of the supposed entertainment factor. Utd built up so much love around the world because of the way we played, it's being dismantled by people like Moyes, LVG and Jose.

Jose continues to bite the hand that feeds him imo. He has benefited all his career from anti-football, people don't tune in for the rubbish he serves up, but he has benefited greatly from it. If every manager took the Jose approach to football then Chess would probably become more popular! We have played like that all season, it's just we were up against a decent team yesterday, it will be the same against any top 6 team. BORING, cagey anti-football. You only have so much rope and ours is fast diminishing.

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08 Oct 2017 16:24:07
I think the pressure will be on them to attack, which is precisely what we need. The reason we have smashed teams despite playing poor (compared to what we are capable of), is because our opponent has to try and get a goal back and we capitalise. As the home team and being much better going forward they will over commit and we will mop up against their woeful defence.

I am assuming Jose plays to this and I see no reason why he would change anything.

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08 Oct 2017 14:57:55
Blessing in disguise for the Liverpool game with their fast interplay imo. Herrera will suit it more.

I fancy us to win by at least 2 goals.

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{Ed025's Note - big call that beast..