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Best team moment: Iniesta's goal at the 2010 World Cup Final.


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22 May 2018 20:41:35
Let's start a new debate, one that hasn't been done to death (apologies AJH lol) .

I've got a few opinions on our team which are quite unpopular.

Just before I stopped posting some of you would remember me not rating Rashford (this was when he broke through) .

Well, I still don't rate him.

He's Danny Welbeck 2.0 in my opinion.

I know he's young but I just don't see the hype in him.

I like him, good squad player to have around, I just don't think he's the next United homegrown king.

Jesse Lingard on the otherhand is fire.


1.) 22 May 2018 21:11:44
Moon! My new BFF.

I love Rashford, I think he has 100% more talent than Danny. He is humble, balanced, a local boy who came through the ranks, an dsomeone who we need to support. Since Jose has taken over he has gone backwards and we need to explore why. And here’s the thing, I thing, I thought no he will impress on Russia.

As for Jesse, I refer my honourable friend to my earlier answer, I also think he is on fire and should have been considered for player of the year.


2.) 22 May 2018 21:40:52
Not a fan of Lingard, goes missing too much. Rashford needs time and games, got potential but needs to be in a attacking side.


3.) 22 May 2018 21:44:56
Rashford and lingard are good players and most certainly hold their place in the squad, but i do question their ruthlessness. The leicester away game being a prime example, they give off the impression that there will always be another chance around the corner and don't seem that clinical.

That being said though neither or them are as good as anthony martial and should be shipped out before he is.


4.) 22 May 2018 21:49:58
Rash is the player when I see him I say he is going to score here, I hope he will score cause he is s good lad. local all that .
But for me he hasn't pushed on at all this season.
Is it Jose, is it the way we play, is it the player.
It doesn't help when we have average full backs average wingers, and we sit 2 midfielders so if there is changes happening I would give him another season.


5.) 22 May 2018 22:25:48
Rash i don't think is mentally ready but i lov3 his enthusiasm and he is always trying and looks like he puts a lot of effort as well. He might be a late bloomer like Lingard but he is definitely not ready at the moment.

{Ed0333's Note - I just feel Rash needs to move in order for him to advance.


6.) 22 May 2018 22:49:09
Its true ed unless he can be patient but it might be too late for him. This is the age he ne3ds to be playing lots of games.

Just look at Harry Kane do you think Harry kane wouldve progressed as well as he has if he was playing for us, i don't think so. He needa to move to a team like Tottenham and become a player he wants to.

{Ed0333's Note - I’d take Rashford for us mate I think there’s a super player in there somewhere that is all action, rapid and can score goals.


7.) 22 May 2018 22:56:26
Rash has all the attributes
To be a very good player.

The lad has been fast tracked because he has the ability to be right up there.
Singh
At the the same age lewandowski had just scored 14 goal in the Poland league .

I think he is every good as Jesus.
No doubt jesus would of looked just as good playing for city as he did for pep at city?


8.) 22 May 2018 23:09:18
Singh how is he not mentally ready yet? His form drops with his confidence but that's just the way some players are.


9.) 22 May 2018 23:23:48
Pep loves young players and brain washes them so he can get the to do what he wants where as Jose doesn't trust young players and he is our manager at the mo.

If jose stays i think Rash should try going for a loan for a year to get some game time but at the same time i think he has had so many games this year but he just makes silly mistakes most of the time.

I just think he is trying too hard to impress.

It is funny i think i think Martial and Rashford should swap personalities for a small length of time. Rash should b3 a bit more laid back like Martial and Martial should show a bit more enthusiasm and work hard like Rashford and then we might see both of them shine.


10.) 22 May 2018 23:43:06
Singh
Eh? Pep brain washes players . Or improves then?
Come on give it up.


11.) 23 May 2018 00:27:09
I am a huge fan of Rashford, really rooting for him to succeed. He might never be a physical, back to goal #9, but other areas he can improve on. He loses the ball often by relying on pace alone to burst past defenders. He will become more effective as he mixes up his game more, playing some simple pass and move and then uses his pace more on occasion.
He has a great attitude and loads of potential. He can dribble, combine, finish, strike the ball well, press and track back, all he needs is consistency. And that can come from more minutes and support from the manager.


12.) 23 May 2018 06:51:14
I agree with moon on rashford, though don't think he is another welbeck but i don't get why people rate him so highly.

If you look at his playing style and finishing, he isn't a natural finisher unlike say a young lukaku or aguero etc, he will never be first choice striker at a team like utd.

He for me atleast is too one dimensional, you give him the ball all he wants to do is run with it and try and get his shot off but unlike say martial who is similar in that regard he does not have that level of close control or dribbling skills to really make it into an effective move. His tricks and flicks are nothing to speak about, he doesn't have to football brain of ronny to understand when to use it and when not to, add to it he is too selfish for his own good.


13.) 23 May 2018 07:53:04
I understand all the folks on Rash but I feel that he is still very young and his game will mature and change in a couple of years. If he has the patience to fight it out and be more clinical, put in effort on free kicks too and build accuracy in his shooting I feel he will be a very successful player in ManUtd.
He is still physically weak though very fast and in future will learn how to take on defenders once his game matured. He can be another Giggs I feel or another CR7. It depends on how and what he wants it to be. He is his own master of his destiny.
The same goes for Martial and how he wants to fight for his place. I like what Sagnol said about him and think he can also be greater than Lukaku. He is more nimble that Lukaku and should fight for his place.
That said I still think our key strategy is to beef up or overhaul the defense. Midfield wise we are quite ok but if Pogba has no heart then we need to cut loss. I feel there is some sort of friction btwn Pogba and Sanchez. Maybe one of them has to go, I don’t know. It’s difficult to have 2 tigers on one mountain (Asian saying) .
Ultimately as I have saying I’ll support the manager of the club (Jose or whoever) . If the board take the decision then so be it and move on. MY CLUB IS MANCHESTER UNITED till the day I die.


14.) 23 May 2018 07:59:13
He brain washes them becauase they only know of one way to play and that is the Guardiola way. That is why when teams go and attack their players they don't know how to react back or think of another way of tackling the situation.

He might improve them in a way he wants them to play but he won't improve their overall game.

I also think it is easier to a teach a young player and turn them into a Guardiola machine then teaching a experience players who has their own way of playing.


15.) 23 May 2018 09:51:16
Singh
You are nuts if getting a player to play well is brainwashing them I give up. It's rubbish pal.


16.) 23 May 2018 10:07:01
I rate Rashford and Lingard highly. Lingard, for want of a more suitable phrase, really paid his dues with a few loan deals in the Championship. I saw him in a couple of games at Birmingham and Brighton. He looked the player with real quality but was bullied of the ball a lot and I think he has definitely recognised his strengths and learned to use his footballing brain more as a result of that experience. He puts himself in good positions, has good awareness and a lovely touch on the ball.
I think Rashford has some of the same qualities. He's great at exploiting space on the pitch and is great on the ball, just like Lingard. He has the pace and natural ability which terrifies defences.
But there has been a big dip in form and confidence this season.
I think quite often with Rashford, he goes to make a run in to space and isn't picked up by our so called creative players in midfield. I think he then gets a bit frustrated and starts to make poor decisions.
Our midfield gives the ball away so much when pressed, which is obviously a massive problem. There is no creativity from our defenders. And the tactics used by our manager are more about stopping the other team play and not losing as opposed to expressing yourselves as players and going out to win the game.
The addition of Sanchez hasn't helped, who seems to be trying to beat the opposition single handed.
I don't think, especially at his age, he has become a bad footballer. A few unfortunate circumstances have conspired against him which have had a detrimental effect on his natural game. He is not Wellbeck 2.0.
I'm not too sure about how he will perform at the World Cup. He is low in confidence and again, I think he'll suffer from a lack of creativity in midfield. I hope he comes good though and scores a few goals.
He'll come good again lads because he is good and I really hope that's with United.


17.) 23 May 2018 12:02:05
😂😂😂😂.


18.) 23 May 2018 12:02:30
Who do you think he has improved Jred? .


 

 

22 May 2018 18:48:26
If some of you lot were around in 1986 Ferguson wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes.

Criticise his football and how entertaining it is all you like, that's an opinion. - I quite enjoy 1v1 tactical battles on the field, even if we do lose them from time to time.

I'm also not one for Klopp football like many others, it's just a matter of taste.


But here's where the line get's drawn. OUR OWN FANS (and not just a few I might add, by the looks of twitter it was enough to fill OT) FORCED his SON! and HIM! to close their social media accounts because their lives were being threatened.

I'm not sure when the word 'support' was taken out of 'Supporter'.

It's not Blind faith to back a manager with a record of getting it right to get it right even it takes longer than 2 BLOODY YEARS!

Mourinho is part of this club, whilst he is here, he is Manchester United just as much as the players are and the board are.

Who coincidentally are the literal components of Manchester United.


1.) 22 May 2018 18:57:25
Yes he would of, there was plenty of abuse back then as well if not worse .

The club and football was a million miles away from the current .
The over dramatization of the current situation is laughable.


2.) 22 May 2018 19:07:15
Jose media account which I'm sure is managed by someone else was closed before the fa cup final.


3.) 22 May 2018 19:13:15
Mourinho closed his insta Thursday before the cup final.


4.) 22 May 2018 19:15:10
Moon, anyone who abused Jose and his family is sick and twisted, nobody on here would condone that type of thing. It is indicative of today’s society and the anonymity a keyboard provides for the pond life who get a kick from that sort of thing.

You are right about SAF’s early years and there was a group who wanted him out. The MEN even ran a pole in ‘95 asking if he should be sacked. This was after a trophyless season, albeit one that had followed several years of success including 2 titles and a Double. So yes, fans and to some extent press, have always been fickle and always will be.

However, as has been said so many time, the situation today is very different to the situation then. I am not going to go over the same old arguments but lest try and summarise why many (not all) are very frustrated.

1. Jose could start an argument in empty room. He seems to call out his players publicly and if rumours are to be believed then Shaw, Martial, Lukaku, Pogba, Bailly are all on the naughty step. That’s a lot of payers.
2. We started the season on fire, went to Anfield to play a dodgy Liverpool team, and set up not to get beat. There’s a time to do that, this wasn’t it.
3. Jose has signed quite a few players. Zlatan was a one season wonder, Bailly has fallen out of favour, Lindelof I don’t understand, Pogba is a shadow of the payer he can be, Miki lasted all of a season before being moved on and now Lukaku has upset him. As for Sanchez, I still don’t understand why we signed him. I almost believe it was to say yah boo to City. So Jose has spent a lot, bought a lot, and most of them haven’t worked out. Matic appears to be the only one which isn’t a great record.
4. I don’t detect a plan of any description. Watching the players walking around, with low intensity, and little idea is not fun.
5. We have shown we are good enough to beat the top teams and have done so. Yet we drop silly points against lower level opposition. That isn’t about talent, it is about attitude or motivation, 2 things the Manager should be able to influence.

I maintain that there are a lot of Managers would have got more out of our team than Jose has. The counter arguments are that we finished 2nd and I get that, someone like Poch has never won anything (true), we can’t keep changing the Manager every 2 years (why not? ), the players are dreadful (I just don’t buy that) .

My key issue is that I think he is on the decline and what used to work doesn’t work anymore. He seems scarred and distant, he is not the happy chirpy charismatic Manager we first met.

Forgive the irony of this comment but I think we have done this debate to death, I am now going to step away from it and try and focus on other things. I don’t like him and I’m bored so God knows how the more positive posters are feeling.


5.) 22 May 2018 19:17:11
No need to shout, like.


6.) 22 May 2018 19:42:24
Anyone who disagrees with me on subjective matters is just plain wrong!


7.) 22 May 2018 20:17:03
Good post ajh.


8.) 22 May 2018 20:36:19
AJH, See you haven't changed either ;) .

Let's agree to disagree on this one.

I think right now the City has much more important matters today and maybe we should focus on happier things.

Certainly going to be making some noise on here now I'm back.


9.) 22 May 2018 20:36:06
And of course none of those idiots would have been fans of other teams, jumping on the bandwagon and stirring the pot.


10.) 22 May 2018 23:32:03
Can't disagree with anything you said there ajh good post.


 

 

22 May 2018 13:11:04
I can't believe what I'm reading here.

It's been a long time since I've posted on here after being a regular for so many years.

After the way the club and fans treated Van Gaal I decided to stop associating myself with a lot of United forums.

However, I've recently found my way back on here and my god nothing has changed with our fanbase. It's disgusting.

As United fans we've taken the mick out of Liverpool for years because of how they're fans behave. How they're basically spoilt children with no respect for anything other than the club itself. Well, whilst the scouse lot have been getting their act together we've turned into them.

Calling for a manager's head after what he's achieved in his career, in the premier and with us this year is ridiculous.

I like Martial as much as the next guy but he's hardly been consistently effective since his first season and if you're giving me a choice between him and Sanchez then It's Sanchez all day.

People are acting like Mourinho is the antichrist, when in reality he's a phenomenal manager (top 3 in the world imo) . You don't get to discredit someone has already achieved everything 10 times over whilst you think you're brilliant because you play football manager.

I would have thought a man who has moved away from his family, his children, friends and family to HELP US would be treated far better than he has been.

So what if we lost the FA Cup, they're 1 off games. Sometimes you play badly and lose. it happens.

Pep and City are miles ahead of us? - I don't actually agree but let's not forget Pep has signed 18 players in the same time as Mou has signed 8. - And let's not forget that City were already in a much better place than we are to begin with (I don't mean just as a team, I mean as an entire club; infrastructure, facilities, direction, etc) .

Mourinho has transformed this side from the average to good team we had under Van Gaal into a team that competes on almost every front.

Many of you seem to forget that Mourinho is part of Manchester United. there is no 'I support the club not the manager! ' they're one and the same thing whilst he is with us!

I see murmours of falling outs with players and staff alike. Well don't we all clash with our colleagues at work from time to time? Yet we understand it's not personal it comes from a desire to win.

I see a man that's giving up his LIFE to HELP us (lets not forget pre-Mourinho you were all telling me we're a dying club under Van Gaal and Moyes), yet he gets no respect from any of you.

I'd much rather see Pogba leave seeing as all he seems bothered about is stupid haircuts and instagram than Mourinho who seems to be focussed on MAKING SURE THE TEAM WIN.

Sure he's not going to get it right every year but honestly, we don't deserve a manager like this or a club like we have.

I said it 2 years ago and I'll say it again, this club's fan have been a disgrace since Sir Alex left.

{Ed033's Note - Welcome back Moon.


1.) 22 May 2018 13:36:15
100% agreed.


2.) 22 May 2018 13:51:35
Giving up his life, talk about overreacting. Last I checked he was earning 15mn a year he isn't giving up on anything.

About his desire to win, do klopp and pep and pochettino have less of a desire to win? Did fergie have less desire to win than mourinho. Why is it mourinho alone who manages to fall out with majority of his team everywhere he goes, why don't the others?

Who stopped mourinho from buying 18 players he wanted, if atletico hadn't been banned his spending would have been same as pep's and we still wouldn't have won the league. Mourinho's on the verge of selling his own cb's before he gets rid of Smalling and Jones so let's not talk like he has some how been hamstrung in the market.

Sanchez since coming to utd - 18 app, 3 goals, 3 assists. Martial's last 4 games before Sanchez signed 3 goals, 3 assists. Let's all pick the next Rooney instead of of Martial.


3.) 22 May 2018 13:53:54
Welcome back Moon. And well said. The state of mind of our "fans/ supporters" makes me sad. Everyone just wants fancy names, first it was the players they wanted, now they have started on the manager.


4.) 22 May 2018 14:05:16
Some of you need to check yourselves. No wonder we are fading into obscurity!


5.) 22 May 2018 14:05:24
So in a nutshell this site might aswell close down if fans aren't allowed to express their opinion or is it just opinions that differ to yours which are a disgrace.

No one should blindly follow without thought.

Trust and faith is earnt and for a lot of people Jose hasn't done enough at united to warrant it.

I mainly come on here so I can here other united fans views that are different to mine I Would rather hear some good reasons why I'm wrong than a pack of sheep towing the party line.

You make it sound like Jose is doing us a favour by managing us he is one of the best paid managers in the world with one of the biggest budgets in the world, we are manchester united and are bigger than any one manager

I'm still (but only just) a Jose in but I fully respect the thoughts and opinions of the José out.


Add to the debate don't call fans a disgrace for having an opinion about football.


6.) 22 May 2018 14:14:36
You do realise that the club is paying said manager a significant salary to give up his life and be away from his family, he didn’t have to take the job if that was going to be an issue for him, but I’m sure a few million in the bank at the end of each season softens the blow.
In my opinion he has done a good job, not great but good. I am confident that being the manager that he is he will turn it around.
Calling fans a disgrace because they have a different view point to you is a bit ott if you ask me. Whilst I respect your view on us being not being miles behind city, I respectfully disagree, we are abosolutly light years behind them in almost all aspects linked to the club (apart from finances generated) . The issue most have is not mourihnos ability to get results it’s tr style in which he goes about it, however at the time of his appointment we were in desperate need of results. I for one think it will improve given time but it does frustrate some what when you see the way city play and what can be achieved in the way they approach a football match.


7.) 22 May 2018 14:18:23
It should be 3 goals and 2 assists for martial not 3 assists.


8.) 22 May 2018 14:18:49
Manchester United have played 56 competitive games this season.

Honestly how many can you say you truly enjoyed watching?

Seriously how many games left you feeling like you've been treated to a great game?

Were not talking about being happy with the result, but the game as a whole. How many of those 56 games would you be happy to sit through again?

I want to enjoy watching my team, and I can honestly say I spent the entire season enduring my teams performances.

You can't win every game, and you can't win every trophy. But when I talk to fans of clubs who know there club isn't likely to win anything they all say the same thing they go to enjoy themselves.

I just want to be able to enjoy the football my club is playing. I respect Mourinho for everything he has done in his career. He has been very successful, but I said when we were first linked to Mourinho that he wasn't the right manager for us. I said his style of play and his angsty style would grate, I said he wasn't the man to be trusted with young players. I was shouted down, I was told Mourinho would buy into the clubs history, he would play attacking football, he would promote youth and he was the reincarnation of Sir Alex and was the only person who could get us back to winning ways.

I take no pleasure in being right, as it has sucked all joy I have from watching my club. I know I'm not the only one, I have several friends who aren't renewing season tickets for next season as they can't justify spending so much money when they get so little in return.

If this is the cost of winning then you can keep it. The fear of doing a "Liverpool" has meant the club has lost its way. Instead of doing thing the United way we have gone down the win at all cost route.

As great a manager Mourinho is, he isn't right for our club, he wasn't right when we hired him, he was right when he bored us to three cup finals winning two of them and he isn't right now.

Is it better to take the moral high ground and continue down the wrong path? Or is it better to admit you were wrong and make the harsh decision to move on a man who hasn't really done much wrong, but is taking the club down the wrong path?


9.) 22 May 2018 14:39:02
Moon what side of the fence are you on cause you just criticised pogba for his haircuts.


10.) 22 May 2018 14:44:43
Well said Moon. I love the bit about football manager and some think just because they have managed a football team they think they know all about management. No wonder they are here typing posts and Mourinho is managing United. 🤣🤣.


11.) 22 May 2018 14:59:24
Singh haven't you questioned jones and smalling's place at the club, are you a footballer or a coach that you know something more than jose mourinho? because if according to you if you aren't a professional coach you can't criticize god emperor Mourinho, how exactly can you criticize the players?


12.) 22 May 2018 15:06:25
I get the impression we could have Lloyd Christmas with his assistant Derek Zoolander managing us into football hell and some of our fans would still back them to the death.

Those of you supporting the bizarre post from Moon really need to re-read what he is saying about you and the fact he thinks Jose Mourinho is bigger than the club you claim to support.

Unless you support Jose no matter what club he goes to of course. Moon just strikes me as being a bit bitter, the legacy of researching and praising the master tactician LVG only to have realised it was all BS just a moment too late is clearly still a bit raw.


13.) 22 May 2018 15:09:13
I question playera all the time and i just say what i think about them. If they don't perform to the standards i have then i question them.

I don't critise the Manager or question his choices as i believe he knows a lot more then most of us.

No i am not a coach oe never coached a team i am a supporter like you but i just don't get it when people question Mourinho after how much he has won.

I also think you should back the manager until he is here and give him full support as he knows the players inside out because he works with them.

None of us know the players on a personal level so for us to question and read journalists talking absolute rubbish about players is pointless and then have a dig at Mourinho is a joke.


14.) 22 May 2018 15:10:18
Even funnier is you are criticizing scholes and wright for having an opinion, by your own standards did you play at the level they did or win stuff they have, must be why you are typing posts for free and they are making millions for their opinions on tv?


15.) 22 May 2018 15:28:05
So you are allowed to question the players who don't perform to the standard because you are a fan but others aren't allowed to question the manager who they think isn't performing to the standard because they aren't professional managers, seems fair doesn't it.

Pogba has won a lot of trophies, so have jones, smalling, young, valencia so how exactly does the how do you question someone who has won so many things work with them?

The back the manager until he is here means never criticize the manager why exactly can't we apply the same standards for the players or is the manager some how more important than all the players?

No one here is having a joke at expense of mourinho, mou does not like shaw or martial much and wants to get rid of them that isn't exactly a secret. All the inference of his players feelings are being drawn directly from statements mourinho makes, just after the fa cup final he threw lukaku under the bus calling him out for not risking himself in the final, no one made him say that, that was all mourinho.

Also you can find essays from likes of shappy and beast and some posts from me detailing our problems with mourinho very little of it has to do with what the media says.


16.) 22 May 2018 15:33:42
Singh you said further down smalling and Jones are only playing cause they are English yet you said here you don't question the manager.


17.) 22 May 2018 15:39:18
Lollll they are ex players who have playerd for their club and they are crticising the club to put pressure on United.

Oh yes i type posts for free to wind people like you up.

I have also not played to their level but i have unbiased brain to call a spade a spade. I don't care how big the player has been for the club once they have gone they are just a ex player.

If i think they talk tripe i would say they talk tripe i don't need to play at the highest level to have an opinion on journalism.

You ahould also read back the posts and see i said they probably get a script to read from and that is the reason they talk tripe but they can also refrain from saying certain things which causes friction at the club.

This is all hypothetical as it could be that Mourinho doesn't give a toss about what Scholes or anyone has to say.


18.) 22 May 2018 15:41:37
You certainly have some interesting theories Singh I'm glad we have moved on from the Jose picks smalling every game not because he likes him but because he duznt like him and just wanted him in the shop window theory to the new you shouldn't post about Jose unless it's to say something good as you aren't a manager but it's ok to say what u like about the players even if you have never been a player. It's a forum for people's opinions you will agree with some and disagree with others but people are entitled to an opinion . I don't go and watch a movie and think that was a terrible movie to be then told well I'm not a film director so I must be wrong .


19.) 22 May 2018 15:44:17
This is getting very personal. Can't we differ AND respect alternative views. Can we be humble enough to think we might be wrong? We are getting more toxic by the hour.


20.) 22 May 2018 15:45:11
Leahy,

There is a lot of politics involved in sports not just football. Certain players are kept for the image of the club not for their abilities.

James Rodrigues was at Madridin his last couple of yeqrs because he wqs one of the biggest brand for their club and a huge marketable player for colombia not for his ability as they woukdve got rid of him a year or two before he left.

Certain players play fortheir national teams because they are wanted by the sponsors and media not because of their ability.

I am not 100 percent sure in saying Jones and Smalling have lasted in the last couple years because they are english but i am 100 percent sure they are given a lot more leeway because of that not because of their ability.

Also if you check Ed002s post he did mention that a certain engkish player maybe targeted to fill the english quota of players not because he is a good player but because he is english.

There is a lot more politics in sports then we realise.


21.) 22 May 2018 15:52:21
He does give a toss what ex-players, pundits, managers and other people 'in the know' have to say. It's proven time and again by his petulant press conferences/ comments.

His whole slagging off Chelsea's approach to the game (which was identical to ours and would have been a mirror image until the end had we scored first), was based on the fact everybody with eyes and brain that work together has been saying how negative and boring we are to watch.

I also find it funny how the FA Cup final performance/ loss is being seen as some one off freak. Please tell me the last time we played well for a game, 20 minutes against City don't count as a game?

Singh - I'd humbly suggest you don't resort to saying you are winding people up to protect yourself from criticism. It demeans all the other posts you make, some of which I agree with and I don't like to think of myself as being 'wound up' for agreeing with them.


22.) 22 May 2018 15:58:12
I feel like Bolger’s post further down the page on shappys thread should be copied and pasted here. At the end of the day everyone has their own opinions, and no one will be right or wrong. Starting to look like arsenal fan tv at times now.


23.) 22 May 2018 16:07:08
I am only kidding i don't post to wind people up i just have a very open mind in terms of how i watch sports.

Common Sense i love you really.

It gets boring at work and sometimes you need entertainment to pasd your day. 🤣🤣.


24.) 22 May 2018 16:33:34
"I see a man that's giving up his LIFE to HELP us".

I didn't realise he was doing it for charity. I take back everything I've ever said about him. He is indeed, a living saint.

I think that must be one of the most cringeworthy lines I've ever read on this site. Seriously?


25.) 22 May 2018 17:16:33
Interesting debate and i disagree about all of Moon's post from start to finish. To say we're not light years behind City is baffling. We are behind them in every area of the pitch except GK. We're also behind them in terms of the tactics the managers play and in terms of cohesion between manager and players.
As for Mourinho, i was one of the ones who thought he'll do very well here. But 2 seasons into his tenure, i have realized I was 100% mistaken. Yes, he's got more points than last season, but the football is dire, the atmosphere between him and most players is terrible, the style of football is shocking, his constant public criticism of the players is incredibly unprofessional and counter productive, his treatment of the press smacks of a highly unintelligent man, his constant blame on others is arrogant.
In addition to all that, he has bought badly. Out of mkhitaryan, sanchez, bailly, lindelof, Matic, Pogba, lukaku. Only three of those have shown real class. He's fighting with most of the players all the time.
His tactics and decision making in the top games have seen us lose important games like the CL against Seville and the FA cup final. It has also seen us play some pretty awful football against the promoted sides.
His man management skills have been non existent.
And some are trying to make out that all is rosy in our back garden. Wake up and smell the roses chaps.


26.) 22 May 2018 17:26:20
ED033 - Thank you! good to be back.

CSM - The man lives across the country from his family and it's not because he wants too.

Who stopped Mourinho buying 18 players? are you actually that dense? Jesus christ. - because players are just available at supermarkets and don't have wishes of their own.

I don't care about Martial's stats. He's never looked the grade and the only reason you're moaning is because you NEED something to moan about.

United Addict - Thanks mate, I honestly can't stand our fans anymore. I very rarely attend home games or anything of that ilk because of this constant crying like the fans are owed something.

Beast, glad to see you're as friendly as per usual.

Schnauzer, I think you're the kind of fan I don't like. You hear one thing and go down a completely different route with it all. - I quite clearly said I didn't like the attitude so I backed off from the site for a couple of years. Which is the complete opposite from that nonsense you spouted in that first sentence.

I agree, nobody should follow blindly but this is the right now the most successful manager in the European game, he has nothing to prove to you or anyone else.

Jose is doing us a favour! He's had offers from better clubs than United and he is here because he genuinely wants to help us.

The fact that many of you go 'oh he's getting paid so it doesn't matter' is just an idiotic thing to say.

Lets forget that he's missing seeing his kids grow up and go to school every day, he's missing spending quality time with his mrs all because he wants to return this club to greatness.

Wilcey - whether he had to or not doesn't take away from the fact that he has done that and then has to endure constant criticism from a bunch of fans that have never had a clue about football - which is the bottom line. we don't.

I'm calling fans a disgrace because they've driven away every good thing this club had going for it since Ferguson left. - you will be very surprised to the amount of Manchester United employees that have walked away because of the disgustingly offensive behaviour of our fans.

Mourinho had to close all of his social media accounts because of 'fans'. Allegri walked away from a gentleman's agreement because of fans, Van Gaal wanted to resign because of the fans. - what is so hard for you to get this?

It's a bloody game and people are throwing abuse and death threats at the EMPLOYEES who SERVE our CLUB and their families.

Shappy - good to see you're still around. I'm a fan of defensive football, I enjoy it as much as offensive football.

I don't always go WOW! how fast and exciting were we today! But I always come away looking forward to next week.

All this wrong path stuff doesn't hold any substance because you have no idea what's happening within the club.

People say we're not playing well, well if that's true then all 19 other clubs are awful too seeing as we WON against every premier league team this year.

Leahy - So, I think he's at the point of his career where it's make or break. I see him in the same light as Balotelli was in at City. He's an idiot but has unreal talent and he needs to start focusing on that otherwise he'll end up like Balotelli.

I like the lad, think he could do really well in Football but it's all completely on him now.

The only players I don't want to leave United are De Gea and Lingard if I'm being completely honest. The others I'm fairly indifferent towards.

Singh, how many people on this forum know for a fact what is happening at United? The only person on this website who ever knew was ED002 - and i see he's been pushed away again. So, unless you KNOW what's going on then you've got no right to assume we're going down this or that path.

The bottom line here for me is quite simple.

Mourinho (you know, a HUMAN BEING! ) has been FORCED to close his social media accounts because he's been met by a ton of abuse from fans that are also threatening his family.

This is a common theme with United players. I remember Evans, Fletcher and 3 or 4 others doing the same in recent years because of ABUSE and THREATS by our OWN fans.

Not only that but this man has us in 2nd place in the league, had us in the FA Cup final, won us a Europa League, got us back into Europe, beat every single Premier League team in 2018 and won a League cup all with a team that has Smalling, Jones, Young all starting.

Yet he's not done well with us?

I'd walk away from any position where I give everything and yet my family are threatened by those who claim to support the club.

Unfortunately, it's not even a minority of fans anymore, it's most of them.

Our fans are embarrassing. Maybe you as an individual are not but you're part of the same fan base that I am and we all fall under the same banner.

You can sing for it if you think I'm going to back a fan base that constantly abuses and threatens the lives of people who give everything for the sake of our entertainment.

I removed myself from the forefront of our fans for a couple of years and NOTHING has changed whatsoever.

Perhaps it's a British thing? or a Football thing? but the lack of respect is phenomenal.

If I'm Mourinho I'd walk away tomorrow and never even acknowledge the clubs fans again.


27.) 22 May 2018 17:58:37
Spot on moon.


28.) 22 May 2018 18:04:22
Moon, I think most of us respect Mourinho as a manager for his accomplishments, his big game presence, his ability to draw players, and his man management that past players praise him for. But what remains for a lot us is frustration, not for coming in second, but for being a boring team. We simply are not as fun to watch as we used to be. And we all would like to see Mourinho take more responsibility and blame players less. Maybe only my view here.


29.) 22 May 2018 18:18:15
Moon creating facts like mourinho does is not going to change actual reality.

Mourinho could easily have some sort of transport arrangement that gets him to london or move his family to manchester i am sure he makes enough money to do that. All these better jobs which he wasn't offered by the way except in your own imagination, would have been outside England, would he have been doing those clubs a favor too because he didn't want to move his family which is why he is alone in manchester, what do you think would have happened had he had to go to paris or munich? You are just making assumptions and presenting them as facts. No one is forcing mourinho to do any of what you are declaring him a martyr for.

People move countries without their families for 1/ 1000 of the pay mourinho gets, so please stop this nonsense about doing us a favor. Also He isn't returning anything to greatness atleast not the way we are going, he has basically called utd losers with a losing history to try and protect his own image, if you think mourinho cares about any club more than himself you are living in lala land.

You said city signed 18 players not i, mourinho himself stated he wanted 8 players in his 2 windows he got 7, his words so again your created myth that he couldn't sign players, which is why made the point.

Also please list these so called utd personnel who walked away due to fans. What is happening with mourinho is shameful, this is a game, i want him sacked but personal abuse is unnecessary i agree. But then again what group of fans do not have an idiot element we need to root em out for sure but this tarring all the fans with the same brush because they don't kiss the earth your god emperor walks on is bs.

Allegri walked away from the agreement because he was supposed to sign a year later not when LVG was fired, and he was fired, LVG has said so countless times now, so please stop making stuff up. LVG was fired because he didn't finish in top4, fans were unhappy with him yes but that didn't lead to lvg's firing, it was his football which was universally condemned not just by utd fans but by any human being who watched it, are they all entitled pricks because they didn't want to be put to sleep while trying to be entertained.

You talk about his so called achievements and proudly present smalling and jones as example of his greatness, a simple question buddy, if they are so bad why do his signings bailly and lindelof not play ahead of them then? this season he finished 2nd but 19 points behind actual champions with no hope of actually ever competing for the title after spending 300mn, not a great achievment after spending more than a small nation's gdp. If he hadn't won Europa League we would have finished 6th something you quite conveniently forget and without europe he would have lost his job 2 years in a row.

Mourinho was a great manager, he has been sacked from his last 2 jobs because he managed to piss of majority of the players and his last 2 clubs, even coaching staff at his last one. You compare a player with balotelli, right now it is mourinho who looks like balotelli. If he doesn't win it here, the big question is going to be where does he go? Bayern won't take him, nor would madrid or barca, or Chelsea or Arsenal, barring Paris he has no other place high profile enough for him to go and after seeing his football and his handling of players even they might want to think it through.

While in your vivid imagination mourinho may be utd's last chance actual reality says he needs us as much as we need him even, i would say he needs us more. Another failure to manage big players and Big teams might just stop looking at mourinho as an option, especially given that he has turned many teams away just by the fact that they don't like his football anymore.


30.) 22 May 2018 18:37:33
I know i don't know anything that's why i stay away from commenting on the ins and outs of the club but i do like to analyse player's attitudes and how they act as employee of the club.

I also back the person in charge whether that's Mourinho or Moyes as they are far more knowledgeable and qualified then any of us.

{Ed002's Note - You don't need to stay away - all input is good input.,}


31.) 22 May 2018 18:47:37
Excellent post, CSM. Was going to post similar but I'm nearly 50 and not good at typing on a phone, so you saved me a lot of bother.

{Ed002's Note - 50 is really big, you maybe want to take some exercise.}


32.) 22 May 2018 19:17:41
Nou nearly 50 is nothing 🤣🤣🤣. I’m way way past that 🤦‍♂️😩.


33.) 22 May 2018 19:30:11
Who’s this clown?
‘I removed myself from the fore front of our fans’
Come on mate, we’re all a bit miffed with the performance’s this season and I personally still can’t make up my mind on Jose but I’d put my house and savings on the fact that no one on this forum has threatened Mr Mourinho or his family.
Lighten up a bit, it’s a ****ing game!


34.) 22 May 2018 21:39:33
Thanks ed i just try staying out of things i don't know about. Hope things are well with you.


35.) 22 May 2018 21:43:03
Is Moon, Mourinho in real life?


 

 

 

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31 May 2018 14:22:25
Zidane is a fantastic motivator and can handle the Egos really well.

Jose is a fantastic motivator, tactician, analyst and ego handler.

I think if you asked Real Madrid fans which ones they preferred out of the two they'd say Jose.


 

 

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27 May 2018 10:26:35
Ronaldo's shouldn't even be in the same conversation as Bales.

Gareth Bale just redefined his entire career with that goal.

I can't be bothered to talk about the strike itself because it's been done to death but Rio Ferdinand sums it up perfectly, he quite simply had no right to even try and take that on.


 

 

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22 May 2018 20:36:19
AJH, See you haven't changed either ;) .

Let's agree to disagree on this one.

I think right now the City has much more important matters today and maybe we should focus on happier things.

Certainly going to be making some noise on here now I'm back.


 

 

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22 May 2018 17:32:51
Beast - Backing the manager? how about not supporting his family being threatened on a weekly basis which has forced him to close his social accounts.

I think Mourinho is bigger than the club? not at all. I can appreciate when somebody is working 20 hour days however. And I can stand up to our own establishment when the criticism is going overboard.

I'm not sure why I'm bitter? exactly. I am a huge Van Gaal fan, he's had a phenomenal career and although it didn't work out here, let's not forget that he himself offered his resignation because of the behaviour of the fans.

Lets also not forget that Allegri decided not to manage the great Manchester United because of our fans' abuse.

I wanted Van Gaal to work out an awful lot, as you would have seen in my posts from back in the day I was lucky enough to meet some close friends of Van Gaal's and discuss what he'd be like with them.

So atleast my judgement on a manager is based on actual personal evidence.

Van Gaal had us close to playing some good stuff, we really weren't far away. You've only got to look at his last year for that. We performed relatively well IMO. not as bad as most make out.

Just like not winning the Mickey Mouse Cup V2.0 isn't a reason to cry.

I'll take a 2nd place finish after a 7th, 4th, 6th and 5th placed finish any time of the week.

Maybe it's because I'm not wearing red tinted specs? maybe it's because Getafe are my club and I don't have the same 'passion' you all do.

But a lot of you don't realise that whether you mean to do it or not you're doing more harm than good to the club.

Perhaps the levels of abuse Rashford, Martial, Jones, Smalling, Shaw, Young, and so on have endured on social media is the reason they don't give a toss about playing for the fans anymore.

If you can't see our fanbase is driving away everything that made us great then I've got a feeling you're going to hate the next few years.


 

 

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22 May 2018 17:26:20
ED033 - Thank you! good to be back.

CSM - The man lives across the country from his family and it's not because he wants too.

Who stopped Mourinho buying 18 players? are you actually that dense? Jesus christ. - because players are just available at supermarkets and don't have wishes of their own.

I don't care about Martial's stats. He's never looked the grade and the only reason you're moaning is because you NEED something to moan about.

United Addict - Thanks mate, I honestly can't stand our fans anymore. I very rarely attend home games or anything of that ilk because of this constant crying like the fans are owed something.

Beast, glad to see you're as friendly as per usual.

Schnauzer, I think you're the kind of fan I don't like. You hear one thing and go down a completely different route with it all. - I quite clearly said I didn't like the attitude so I backed off from the site for a couple of years. Which is the complete opposite from that nonsense you spouted in that first sentence.

I agree, nobody should follow blindly but this is the right now the most successful manager in the European game, he has nothing to prove to you or anyone else.

Jose is doing us a favour! He's had offers from better clubs than United and he is here because he genuinely wants to help us.

The fact that many of you go 'oh he's getting paid so it doesn't matter' is just an idiotic thing to say.

Lets forget that he's missing seeing his kids grow up and go to school every day, he's missing spending quality time with his mrs all because he wants to return this club to greatness.

Wilcey - whether he had to or not doesn't take away from the fact that he has done that and then has to endure constant criticism from a bunch of fans that have never had a clue about football - which is the bottom line. we don't.

I'm calling fans a disgrace because they've driven away every good thing this club had going for it since Ferguson left. - you will be very surprised to the amount of Manchester United employees that have walked away because of the disgustingly offensive behaviour of our fans.

Mourinho had to close all of his social media accounts because of 'fans'. Allegri walked away from a gentleman's agreement because of fans, Van Gaal wanted to resign because of the fans. - what is so hard for you to get this?

It's a bloody game and people are throwing abuse and death threats at the EMPLOYEES who SERVE our CLUB and their families.

Shappy - good to see you're still around. I'm a fan of defensive football, I enjoy it as much as offensive football.

I don't always go WOW! how fast and exciting were we today! But I always come away looking forward to next week.

All this wrong path stuff doesn't hold any substance because you have no idea what's happening within the club.

People say we're not playing well, well if that's true then all 19 other clubs are awful too seeing as we WON against every premier league team this year.

Leahy - So, I think he's at the point of his career where it's make or break. I see him in the same light as Balotelli was in at City. He's an idiot but has unreal talent and he needs to start focusing on that otherwise he'll end up like Balotelli.

I like the lad, think he could do really well in Football but it's all completely on him now.

The only players I don't want to leave United are De Gea and Lingard if I'm being completely honest. The others I'm fairly indifferent towards.

Singh, how many people on this forum know for a fact what is happening at United? The only person on this website who ever knew was ED002 - and i see he's been pushed away again. So, unless you KNOW what's going on then you've got no right to assume we're going down this or that path.

The bottom line here for me is quite simple.

Mourinho (you know, a HUMAN BEING! ) has been FORCED to close his social media accounts because he's been met by a ton of abuse from fans that are also threatening his family.

This is a common theme with United players. I remember Evans, Fletcher and 3 or 4 others doing the same in recent years because of ABUSE and THREATS by our OWN fans.

Not only that but this man has us in 2nd place in the league, had us in the FA Cup final, won us a Europa League, got us back into Europe, beat every single Premier League team in 2018 and won a League cup all with a team that has Smalling, Jones, Young all starting.

Yet he's not done well with us?

I'd walk away from any position where I give everything and yet my family are threatened by those who claim to support the club.

Unfortunately, it's not even a minority of fans anymore, it's most of them.

Our fans are embarrassing. Maybe you as an individual are not but you're part of the same fan base that I am and we all fall under the same banner.

You can sing for it if you think I'm going to back a fan base that constantly abuses and threatens the lives of people who give everything for the sake of our entertainment.

I removed myself from the forefront of our fans for a couple of years and NOTHING has changed whatsoever.

Perhaps it's a British thing? or a Football thing? but the lack of respect is phenomenal.

If I'm Mourinho I'd walk away tomorrow and never even acknowledge the clubs fans again.