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23 Jul 2019 13:54:13
SMS rumours intensifying.

TrueRedDevil

1.) 23 Jul 2019 15:07:38
Fingers crossed!


2.) 23 Jul 2019 15:23:03
That means, Pogba`s Off to!


3.) 23 Jul 2019 15:29:24
Are they? Wouldn't take much notice after Fernandes has been having a medical for weeks and the same for Maguire 😂.


4.) 23 Jul 2019 15:54:53
Domino effect about to kick in I for one hope SMS is coming to replace Pogba would suit the style OGS is trying to implement a lot more I think.


5.) 23 Jul 2019 15:56:24
I believe the Oxford dictionary states that 'intensifying' can now mean a random rumour off a highly regarded but never seen before football scout on Twitter, who also happens to be 11 years old and goes by the name of Agent Enrique.


6.) 23 Jul 2019 16:02:40
Apparently MUFC have almost agreed a £67million deal to sign Sergej Milinkovic-Savic from Lazio on a five year deal. I shall wait and hope. Which I suspect means somebody might be in for Pogba.


7.) 23 Jul 2019 17:31:49
What or who are the sources for Milinkovic-Savic?


8.) 23 Jul 2019 17:32:49
You mean like we signed Maguire?


9.) 23 Jul 2019 18:01:25
Probably not signing many more and giving the kids a chance.


10.) 23 Jul 2019 18:48:51
WRD quite a few sources are running the story on SMS but I believe the original source came from L. A. REPUBLIICA a rome based publication don't know how credible they are tho.


11.) 24 Jul 2019 01:24:55
If i'm not mistaken Gaitan and Sneijder have been having medicals at carrington for over 10 years already.


12.) 24 Jul 2019 06:35:03
SMS could mean

Sean longstaff
Maguire
Some body else 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.


 

 

20 Jul 2019 11:18:50
Inter bid 54m for Lukaku.
Laughable bid.

TrueRedDevil

1.) 20 Jul 2019 14:09:09
I don't get it they have been told numours times how much we value him just like we were with wan bissaka

And eventually got the deal done.


2.) 20 Jul 2019 15:08:04
My take on the situation is this,

We don't really want Lukaku, but we value him at a ridiculous amount.

The club seems to want to make back at least what they paid for him. Yet they are prepared to sell him as they don't think he is good enough. Ergo he must now be worth less than we paid for him. Yet they aren't prepared to accept less.

The only club's interested in Lukaku are those the next step down from the very best sides. Those teams often don't have the money to spend 75m on one player. No top team who could afford that sort of fee are interested in him.

So the club just needs to accept they overpaid for him a couple of years ago and must now accept a lower amount if they are to off load him and his high wages.


3.) 20 Jul 2019 15:33:51
Lukaku himself wants out. And the club would happily grant his wish. Inter and Conte want him, they should pay the valuation.


4.) 20 Jul 2019 16:16:58
Unless UTD can start an auction for Lukaku then it is unlikely the will get anywhere near what they paid for him. How many teams are interested in Lukaku to start an auction?

Take what you can get and move on.


5.) 20 Jul 2019 16:31:56
If we can get our money back, £70M+£15M in add-ons, if think would be fair.

The market has risen since he singed. Also⤵️
He has been our most prolific forward in his 2 years.
Excellent international record.
Positive influence.

In reality £100-120m with add-ons in today's market.

But we are looking to play in a new style and the time is good for all parties to leave mean -£15m/ -15% below market seems very fair.

If can't afford it that's not our problem. I'm sure Ole would like Mbappe to cover for Greenwood 😁 but we can't afford it.


6.) 20 Jul 2019 17:12:04
Red Devils Advocate, no one wants him bar Inter Milan. He isn't worth what we paid for him. He is a talented but limited striker. He'll score goals if played a certain way, but lacks the ability to adapt. That limitation is what stops the top teams wanting him.

He for me is exactly the sort of player as Maguire. Talented and if played in a certain way he can be an asset. Yet there are serious flaws in their game that stops them being truly in the top class bracket.

Just how we are now realising we overpaid for Lukaku and as such if we are to move him on it will be at a loss. I feel the same thing is likely to happen with Maguire.

Fact is Lukaku is a 50-60m player at most. We paid a premium, we can't expect anyone else to pay that as well.


7.) 20 Jul 2019 17:47:16
A player is worth what someone is willing to sell or pay for.

Let's see what happens before getting our knickers in a twist but either way Inter will pay more than £60M.


8.) 20 Jul 2019 18:52:38
I agree with Shappy, plus if he spends a season warming the bench because his style doesn't fit the system, then his value will just plummet.


9.) 20 Jul 2019 20:26:29
Disagree Shappy. Just because OGS doesn’t see Lukaku as essential for the style he wants to play doesn’t mean his value has dropped. Supply and demand based on style of play. Simple.


10.) 20 Jul 2019 20:34:46
Shappy, why should the club take a loss on a player who they paid £75 million on and he still has 3 years on his contract. We’re in a era where Leicester want £80+ million for Harry Maguire.
It’s widely accepted that when United want a player his price goes up, we can’t then be seen to sell our players for less than ‘WE’ value him. We’re the ones in a strong position here, why sell yourself short?


11.) 20 Jul 2019 20:36:15
Shappy

You keep saying FACT? Surely this is your opinion? Unless you work in the world of football finance?


12.) 20 Jul 2019 20:54:54
Felix went to Atletico based on potential for €130m, Lukaku in the right environment has the potential to score 30+ goals a season. What message does it send if we sell players with that type of potential for less than market value? Especially when clubs are interested in pogba, who only fulfilled a fraction of his potential last season.


13.) 20 Jul 2019 21:01:48
Shappy, who says he is only a 50-60 million player? The club don't think so. But it's a fact? I'm confused.


14.) 20 Jul 2019 23:14:10
Simple name me a club that will pay more than 60m for him?


15.) 21 Jul 2019 01:28:59
If you get offered 60 million bite there hand off.


16.) 21 Jul 2019 03:59:48
Inter will pay more than 60m imo I think he'll go for 70m.


17.) 21 Jul 2019 06:22:21
How do I know who will pay that? How is that simple? Makes it a fact now😂.


18.) 21 Jul 2019 06:24:02
Lukaku is FACT a 50-60M player but we paid 75M? The fact there is we paid 75m for him.


19.) 21 Jul 2019 09:13:28
Actually glad for once Utd are being firm with an asking price, for too long we have been crap selling players for low fees. 2 million for Berbatov anyone 🤷‍♂️.


20.) 21 Jul 2019 09:46:12
He’s not worth less he just doesn’t fit how Ole wants to play.


21.) 21 Jul 2019 10:28:44
I don't think we're in as strong a position as some say. He will not play much for us this season, if at all. Totally unsuited to our style of play. Clubs will know this, They will know we don't want to be stuck with a player who won't be playing, especially on his wages.


22.) 21 Jul 2019 11:34:42
Well let's see what he sells for. Inter made an opening offer of €60m which is around £55m after a month of negotiations. So they must feel that that is pretty close to what he is worth.


23.) 21 Jul 2019 11:47:02
26 years old 146 epl goals, 48 internation goals 22 in his last 26 for Belgium.
Every bit a 75mil striker, at least.


24.) 21 Jul 2019 12:06:20
Agree jred. He just does not fit what OGS wants to do.

Inter would like him cheap but they won't get him.


25.) 21 Jul 2019 12:37:47
Most of what everyone is saying is totally irrelevant, you could spend all summer pushing to make your money back then a cash strapped inter walk away. There are no other clubs interested so lukaku stays at United with a questionable attitude to not playing, you don't get to replace the player and the problems of last season rear their heads again. i'm sure the club will get what they can for him but inter are not cash rich and any deal will be spread over 3 seasons.


26.) 21 Jul 2019 14:38:40
Whoever at UTD have made the decision to price out Lukaku and Pogba from moving to Inter and Madrid seriously need to have their heads seen to.

There are no other takers for these two players. So UTD will go into the new season with two of your top earners either being on holiday or disrupting your dressing room when you should be clearing out bad blood in order to move on? Surely?

I know many of you will be jumping on the bandwagon and tell me to go concentrate on the my own team.

If UTD decide to stick to their stance of holding out for the right money for 2 players who are not in UTD's plans going forward then your hole will just become deeper.

Question for all the UTD fans commenting on here.

Are Pogba and Lukaku part of your plans moving forward and does anyone on here think Pogba will move to Madrid for a world record transfer fee as well as Inter meeting UTD's demands transfer fee wise?

Just because Conte wants Lukaku does not mean it is going to happen at £90m or whatever it is UTD value him at. If he was the golden boot winner last season then maybe. How many goals did Lukaku score last season?

{Ed004's Note - By all accounts we have been offered 54 million for Lukaku. Not sure how that can be deemed a reasonable offer when they demanded 50 million for Perisic and in a market were Joao Felix went for 120 million euros and Maguire is priced at 80 million.

On Pogba the only reported bid was for 80 million euros. In what world should utd bend over for opposition clubs and then spend a premium on their players? Madrid wanted us to pay 80 million euros for Morata 2 seasons ago. So Morata and Pogba are worth the same? Also bare in mind that Pogba is amongst the top 3 most marketable players in world football and is the heartbeat of our midfield.

I dont mind these players leaving but theyre under contract and both have a good few years left on them. I expect Lukaku to leave but fully expect Pogba to stay at least one more season}


27.) 21 Jul 2019 15:47:00
Very well said Ed004. I am all for players leaving and keeping them. against their wishes but we need to treat clubs the same way we get treated when we go out to buy a player.


28.) 21 Jul 2019 15:49:36
Perisic is still at Inter so makes no difference as nobody willing to pay what Inter have asked for him otherwise he would have left them already. I am sure they would still be willing to let him go but no takers at the price they want so makes your comment about Perisic void.

Neither Lukaku or Pogba have been ripping out trees at UTD.

If Lukaku had gotten the golden boot last season and Pogba won player of the year then show me the money.

What Joao Felix went for has got absolutely nothing to do with this as you or I have no idea what the finer details were such as clauses in his contract when wanting to purchase him.

Lukaku is not worth nowhere near what UTD paid for him. You think City will pay what UTD are requesting for Lukaka even if they were interested in signing him, any other side as a matter of fact when there is very little interest.

This isnot like signing Pepe who will go for one hell of a fee once somebody signs him as just about every top club has an interest in Pepe.

{Ed004's Note - Pogba was our top goal scorer, top assister, covered most ground, got most motm awards for utd last season, most passes, most dribbles etc so to say hes not ripped up trees a year after winning the world cup is a bit of an odd statement. Lukaku at age 25 is his national sides top goal scorer and I think already in top 10 premiership goal scorers (if not he would be within a season or two). My point on Perisic was that Inter werent willing to negotiate a deal with Utd so why should Utd act any differently in negotiations? It was noted that perisic also wanted the move so identical situations. If both stay they will both have big impacts in our side next season. If utd just did as we were told by opposition fans we would have paid 75 million for Wan Bissaka and sold Lukaku for 50 million. Lukaku will most likely go for around 70 and we got Wan Bissaka for 45 million.

Im still confused as to your argument about City? Seems a pretty pointless line. Also you contradict yourself there with Felix point. We arent allowed to charge money for Pogba and Lukaku cause they had off seasons (Pogba didnt) but Felix after 6 months going for 120 mill is ok because we dont know his clauses - except there were no clauses and Atletico just activated his buyout clause}


29.) 21 Jul 2019 16:30:39
Oh snap Ed004

🎤⤵️

That's that then.


30.) 21 Jul 2019 17:07:47
Right so Palace had to give into UTD for wanting more for Bissaka than what they got for him?

Do you realise that Madrid and Inter are not Crystal Palace?

Pot kettle black.


31.) 22 Jul 2019 06:02:33
maxlfc, your arguments seem silly.
Lukaku scored 27 goals in his first season.
Only the last year cannot be used as a barometer to judge a player's price.
He just turned 26 and is entering his peak years.
In the right system, he will easily score 30 plus goals.
Therefore the club has every right on the valuation they put on Rom considering the current inflated market.

If we budge on our valuation, it will set a bad predicament for future sales.


32.) 22 Jul 2019 09:18:27
It makes sense to be flexible on our valuation, and be willing to bend a little for a reasonable offer. £54m on a player valued at £75m does not qualify.

If they came in offering, let's say £68m, I'm sure the club would be perfectly willing to talk, and I'm sure a deal could be done from that point without either side having to move too far.

However, £54m isn't even close, and we don't NEED to sell him right now.


33.) 22 Jul 2019 18:29:25
You lot make me laugh.

We do not want to sell Lukaku when he does not even fit into your playing style under Ole.

Pogba is earning massive wages too so if UTD are planning on getting rid which I am sure they are otherwise Madrid would not be hounding UTD then it will either be stick or twist.

If any of you think Lukaka is worth more than what UTD paid for him, include his wages Inter would need to pay then really, you will be stuck with a player which Ole will have on the subs bench.

UTD as ED002 has explained are throwing money around and not actually fixing the problem.

If Lukaku and Pogba stay then you will have two players on hand holding all the cards.

Beggars belief.

{Ed004's Note - I never got the chance to reply at the weekend but your arguments make no sense. Youve definitely come on here to get a rise from people which is a shame because we had examples of posters from other clubs coming on and enhancing debates and improving the site for it to be quickly reversed}


34.) 22 Jul 2019 19:44:48
And just remember, just because Conte wants Lukaku does not mean Inter will sign him at an inflated fee. Conte does not have control of transfers at Inter and they can go sing another one of their targest for a lesser fee and lesser wages.

The worl does not revilve around UTD, espicially how they have been more than mediocre in the the transfer windows of late and still continue to be lol.


 

 

16 Jul 2019 13:35:14
Hello Ed002,
Would there be a Man Utd sharkapod this week?
(If time permits)

TrueRedDevil

{Ed002's Note - I would doubt it - I am travelling and struggling with time.}


1.) 16 Jul 2019 15:50:02
OK Ed. Hope you have a pleasant journey.

{Ed002's Note - Numerous journeys right now - thanks.}


2.) 16 Jul 2019 21:21:45
Ed 002 : with the danger of really upsetting the Ed, could I ask if Ed002 works as a European football journalist? Waiting in trepidation for the bullets.

{Ed002's Note - No I am a gentleman adventurer and rodeo clown.}


3.) 17 Jul 2019 07:55:37
Ed002, you forgot oracle/ time traveller. And I'm guessing the rodeo clown is for crowd control at one of Ed003's parties?


4.) 17 Jul 2019 07:58:19
"One point Twenty one gigawatts! " - this is what Ed002 means when he struggles with time.


5.) 17 Jul 2019 08:05:54
Ed - if you ever need a suitcase caddy, let me know.


6.) 17 Jul 2019 08:40:49
Sounds like our incoming Prime Minister!


7.) 17 Jul 2019 11:10:05
Almost Wallace, if you remove the words "adventurer" and "rodeo". The "Gentleman" part is a judgment call.


 

 

04 Jul 2019 11:51:09
The former had of Marca, Eduardo Inda saying Pogba will be a Real Madrid player by next week.
80m plus Bale.
Sounds like bs as we have no interest in Bale.

TrueRedDevil

1.) 04 Jul 2019 12:06:06
pogba needs to be sold and the sooner the better for all parties

if bale would be injury free he is class when he's on form but that's a big if.

would solve the rw position but its one of those, bale opens a massive debate up on here.


2.) 04 Jul 2019 12:12:27
forgot to add,

he will be 30 this month he's in the final years of his footballing life


would much rather stay clear of bale and look and someone younger who can develop.


3.) 04 Jul 2019 12:16:14
I just hope the Pogba debacle does not drag on all the way through this transfer window, don't want us to end up in panic mode again, Remember the Fellani signing.


4.) 04 Jul 2019 12:27:44
Bring bale in. Could be like another cantona signing, boosts the whole squad.


5.) 04 Jul 2019 12:36:03
Inda also says Kroos will be part of the deal but that part wasn't quoted.

They value Bale at £90m.

Seems far fetched.


In fantasy world would people rather have
1. Paul Pogba
or
2. Bale (RW) + Kroos (CM) + £80m.


6.) 04 Jul 2019 12:44:36
Personally i prefer the €60 + Dybala deal. Send The mouth back to Turin and bring in a player that wants to fight his team. I believe Dybala would be great at OT and in the prem.


7.) 04 Jul 2019 12:46:46
The second option is mouth watering.


8.) 04 Jul 2019 14:15:46
I’d prefer Kroos + 80m to Bale and Kroos + 80m.

We already have one player on massive wages that seems to spend most of his time injured and could do without having another. The wages being paid to Sanchez have created a lot of issues and doubling down by signing Bale would make things worse. By all accounts, Real want shot of Bale and so the idea of paying them anything to help them get his wages off their books isn’t one I’d even consider entertaining. Let them pay him to play golf for another few years.


9.) 04 Jul 2019 14:16:06
Bake injury free and point to prove would be short term asset but not help the attempt to keep wages in line. As loan maybe
Kroos I have always liked but can't see he fits well in PL but maybe with someone to be his legs could work
Just pay up or give us someone like Assensio.


10.) 04 Jul 2019 14:19:02
I can see the temptation with the Bale rumour. I can’t imagine Real are going to have the money to outright buy Pogba at £120-150 million or whatever we value him.
If you could get £80 million plus Bale and get a tune out of him then letting Lukaku go to Inter without replacing wouldn’t be the end of the world. Martial, Rashford, Bale and Sanchez would have goals in them if Ole can get a system going.
Invest heavily in midfield and a CB ( my preference would be Fernandes. Ndidi and Issa Diop) then see how we go.

Also having Bale about would be great for the new lad James.


11.) 04 Jul 2019 15:28:57
Bale = Sanches mk2.


12.) 04 Jul 2019 15:46:44
Id personally rather neither both are at the wrong end of there career on mass mass wages. Bale would see us as a step down and doesn't want to leave madrid so would be pointless. Plus his injury record and wage demand would be up there with sanchez and cause more issues in the long term. Kroos i personally feel wouldn't handle the pace of the prem at all. he's too old now to be coming to our league again would want mass wages. i'd rather young up and coming lads we can build a team round rather than instant signings that haven't worked for the last 5 years. Real stump up to our price straight cash thanks.


13.) 04 Jul 2019 17:39:24
Bale has been told that he has no future at the club.

His response is that he doesn’t care because he’s happy with his life in Madrid.

How can people think that signing him will be anything other than a disaster?
Do we even have a proper golf course up here?


14.) 04 Jul 2019 19:35:06
He obviously isn't going to budge on his wages. He wants to play football but isn't getting used and abused by Real when they want rid. He will want to play in the Euros if Wales get there, so sitting out a season isn't going to help his chances.


15.) 04 Jul 2019 19:37:34
Pogba is useless to us at the moment so I would be delighted with any of them deals. Bale at his best on the right would be better than any other player we have in our forward line. We aren’t very good anyway so worth a go imo, I understand everybody’s arguments against it though.


16.) 04 Jul 2019 20:29:06
FZZ I can’t see Wales leaving him out even if he sits on the bench for a season, he’s still their best player.


17.) 04 Jul 2019 21:17:38
We’re currently the 6th best team in the PL and playing Europa League next season with possibly only Rashford as a recognised striker (which is questionable) and people are turning up their noses at Bale and Kroos. Bale on his day is up there with the best and can produce brilliance and the other has won titles with Bayern, Real and Germany. One of the best midfielders of the last 10 years. Yes they are both in the twilight of their careers but we can’t keep buying 21 year olds and compete. We need some leadership, class and experience. Not one player in our current squad had that.


18.) 05 Jul 2019 11:41:33
2toms i'm not turning my nose up at either my queston would be how would the 2 you name be any different from signing bastian and di maria? At the time bastian was what kroos is now as was di maria although his stock was possibly higher than bales. I see signing those two as just a repeat of what's happened before. Its not turning my nose up its i'd rather a change from over paying players that don't want to be at man utd and we can't shift afterwards. i'd rather build for a future not keep making more issues how would matic be able to cover for kroos in a 2 man midfield? How many games could we rely on bale for? Sanchez is already injured all the time. Also what does that mean for the likes of ddg demanding a higher wage do we really want to be that club that keeps paying astronomical wages to players in the hope we gel? Or should we build a solid squad while losing some of the unwanted players we have then in a season or 2 add the star quality people crave?


19.) 05 Jul 2019 12:41:27
If we can shift Pogba and get Bale plus our money back then I say good deal.
Someone for the younger lads to look up to and learn from. No one in our squad has won 4 CL medals. It would be a short term fix, adding leadership and a bit of class to our squad.
I understand people comparing it to Sanchez or Di Maria but some deals do work out for the better.


20.) 05 Jul 2019 12:42:45
Agreed. Bale on his day is great but how many days does he have these days? By all accounts his attitude is questionable as he'd rather be on the golf course. I'd stay well clear.


21.) 06 Jul 2019 07:36:36
The only way I would entertain that deal would be Kroos + Bale + €80m then sell on Bale for a quick €60M and sell Kroos for €50M 😊 problem solved 👍.


 

 

07 Jun 2019 05:50:13
Good Morning Ed002.
Eagerly waiting for your updates :)
Hope you get some time today.

TrueRedDevil

{Ed002's Note - In terms of those having their parking spaces removed:
David De Gea (G) wants out - but the club may block it
Antonio Valencia (RB) MLS beckons
Matteo Darmian (RB/LB) there is an offer from Valencia
Marcos Rojo (LB/CB) not wanted but limited which countries he can move to
Ander Herrera (CM) wants more game time but club wants him to stay - will likely go to PSG
Paul Pogba (CM) wants out - but the club may well block a move - which could be a particularly dumb thing to do - they want to offer a new contract but were quoted just under £21M per season basic wage plus significant add ons
Juan Mata (RM/RW)
Alexis Sanchez (LW/F) there is no clear route to end the relationship - Likely not financially viable for Inter and Atletico would need to think hard about the risk
Anthony Martial (LW) Manchester United will be open to a good offer but getting one will be difficult
Marcus Rashford (F) Manchester United will price him out of a move - but Barcelona remain keen
Romelu Lukaku (S) like others he is keen to leave - currently priced out of a move to Inter.}


1.) 07 Jun 2019 13:30:11
I would sell rashford to Barcelona,
But we will be told he is btitish and local we can't sell him. I'd bite their hand off.


2.) 07 Jun 2019 13:01:52
ED002 would you be willing to give your opinion on Daniel James as a player, and if you think he is a good buy, the right attitude etc.

{Ed002's Note - I am not really the one to ask but I understand he is a level headed young man and expectations are high.}


3.) 07 Jun 2019 13:12:59
Thanks a lot Ed.


4.) 07 Jun 2019 14:49:23
Worrying signs that the likes of smalling, jones and young will still have their parking spaces come the start of next season.


5.) 07 Jun 2019 16:12:08
They were all offered new contracts when they should have been shown the door.


6.) 07 Jun 2019 17:19:25
Cannot understand how unappreciated Rashford is among our own supporters. Look, he isn't the finished article, far from it. He needs to work on his finishing. But he's 21 years old, and a United fan. He has bags of potential, the fact that Barcelona are sniffing around is testament to that. He works hard and he presses from the front, everything we bemoan Lukaku doesn't do. I'm not saying he has to be our no.1 striker next season, I just can't get my head around so many 'fans' wanting to see the back of the best acadamy player we've produced in the last decade.


7.) 07 Jun 2019 16:03:47
Thanks for the insights Ed, any knowledge of who the club may be looking to promote from the U23s?

{Ed002's Note - I am not the one to ask. Sorry.}


8.) 07 Jun 2019 18:08:02
Great. De gea, pogba, rashford and martial. Figures we’d let our only potentially world class players leave. What a joke.


9.) 07 Jun 2019 18:30:28
Young, Lingard are the two players who have the potential to make even great teams like 70 Brasil and Barcelona (2010-2013) look mediocre immediately. City have 2 top class players for every position, United have people like Lingard, Young not worth at all even for Bench. Till now I don't know What is the best/ Favourite position of Lingard. Easily the worst player in the Current United squad. Personally I think the manager who get rid of Lingard will win the PL title for United.


10.) 07 Jun 2019 20:18:58
Have to disagree only on the fact he isn’t United’s worst player that honour could go to either jones, rojo, darmian, Young first and to say whoever sells him will win the league we’ll that's just ridiculous.


11.) 08 Jun 2019 02:48:22
Lingard is a worker but a squad player I'd keep him n try n shift the likes of Jones young smalling rojo darmain matic!


12.) 08 Jun 2019 06:14:47
I don’t understand some of our fans. The guy that would bite Barcelona hand off for rashford. You don’t think theclue is in the fact that it is Barcelona that want him might suggest he’s going to be a top player. A local lad, born and bred red but you’d have him out the door I presume because you don’t rate him.

Lukaku, Sanchez, mata, martial all need to go before him but maybe you’d prefer to get rid of our entire forward line in one summer. Tool.


13.) 08 Jun 2019 06:19:08
I can see why Ed gets so frustrated with united fans. Some of you are utter morons. I come on and read a lot, rarely post but I’m a season ticket holding match going red and I’ve never heard fans in the bar or the ground giving rashford or Lingard the stick that they get in here. You’ve got some guys on here with seriously flawed and unrealistic views of football, players and in particular our club.

It’s embarrassing to read the drivel some days.


14.) 08 Jun 2019 08:16:55
Pep and Klopp raised the bar so high such that getting 100 points won't guarantee you PL title. Having people like Lingard in the bench won't help United go anywhere near those two teams. There is no single player in Current United team who performs 8/ 10 every match not even DDG who was erratic lately. City without their Best player KDB and best left back Mendy and few other quality players missing they play same high quality football because of their top notch squad. It is ok if United beat smaller oppositions and teams like current Chelsea, Arsenal easily and finish third, 10 or 12 points behind City and Pool then we have to do bring in few quality players to close the gap. Now the situation is United are outplayed by smaller oppositions and they create more clear cut chances than United in the last 3 or 4 seasons irrespective of manager we have/ had. Teams like Bournemouth play better passing creative football than current United side. Only god knows what Woodward and OGS will do in the coming months!


15.) 08 Jun 2019 15:06:59
Look at their managers though. The only reason these two clubs are reaching the heights they are. Plus it helps if you can buy any player you want as in city’s case.


16.) 08 Jun 2019 16:18:40
Ncs, it takes a lot more than a good manager to win trophies.

The current City team is one of the best teams of the PL era, and this is arguably the best team Liverpool have had for 30 years.


17.) 08 Jun 2019 21:49:05
Thanks as always for your very much valued insights ed002.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome Ross.}


 

 

 

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17 Jul 2019 12:01:32
Ole on Greenwood :
"Right-footed, left-footed. I don't think he knows if he's more predominant on his right or his left. He takes penalties with both feet and free-kicks with both feet. He finds space naturally.
"He'll always end up with chances. He'll score goals this year, I am 100% sure of that. "

Really excited to see him play this season.
He is probably the biggest talent emerging from academy in recent years.

TrueRedDevil

1.) 17 Jul 2019 12:25:35
He just scored a good goal there now, hope he is kept around the first team for next season.


2.) 17 Jul 2019 13:02:01
Tucked that one away very nicely 👍.


3.) 17 Jul 2019 13:12:29
Fantastic energetic play in the first half.
Still Pogba is the creative force with those top passes.
AWB was awesome in both ends of the pitch.
Rojo at left back offered literally nothing.


 

 

14 Jul 2019 14:32:12
So the back 4 is sorted.
Luke Shaw, Maguire, Lindelof, AWB.

All 4 are comfortable with ball at the feet.
Now we can build attacks from the back.

TrueRedDevil

1.) 14 Jul 2019 15:10:58
Can't wait to see Shaw and Maguire leak goals like a sieve on the left side, barely an upgrade on Smalling.


2.) 14 Jul 2019 15:20:43
Seems to be in place now.


3.) 14 Jul 2019 14:42:14
Maguire comfortable with ball at feet? Shame he's no good with them 😂.


4.) 14 Jul 2019 16:23:12
Cant wait to see us leak goals. Great support that.


5.) 14 Jul 2019 17:13:26
Mort,

The positivity of our fans is second to none. not even joined yet, played a game together and the fans already know it will be a disaster.

Sometimes I wonder why these fans don't go away and support another team.

Ok not the best CB available, but he may up his game or surprisingly gel well with the other players.

Who knows?

Fans have become so obsessed with the money, you'd think it was their pocket money being spent.

Utterly ridiculous.

It's a shame the Eds are right, we really are acting like a bunch of spoiled children, I understand their frustration with us.


6.) 14 Jul 2019 17:44:00
But that is exactly what is going to happen? Because neither of them can defend. Give it a year, majority of the fans will be asking for a LB and CB after seeing Maguire struggle for a year.


7.) 14 Jul 2019 17:45:32
I think he will do well.
A couple more in and a couple out and we are In much better shape going into next season than we were last.
We won't close the gap on city and liverpool completely i suspect but we can take a good chunk out of it.


8.) 14 Jul 2019 17:54:30
Jonny I've had to bite my tongue so many times so far the last week or so because it wouldn't get posted or i'd get banned. I'm considering hopping off the site till the window shuts. Just sick of the constant whining from supposed fans slagging players they clearly haven't seen play or moaning about things they have very little knowledge on. Toxic is far too gentle a term.


9.) 14 Jul 2019 18:31:02
wow Scholes. You have already decided Maguire and Shaw will struggle.
Great way of showing support.


10.) 14 Jul 2019 18:46:27
Just don't bite mort. Its easy to see who the silly ones are. Remember they are only 1 of a 7.5bn world population.


11.) 14 Jul 2019 20:04:54
TrueRedDevil, already decided? Have you not seen them play the past few years? Completely average, mediocre, very overrated and we needed a CB far better than Maguire who is a waste of money. Romagnoli, Dias, Milenkovic are better options than him. Nevermind the likes of Alderweireld, Koulibaly and possibly Varane.


12.) 14 Jul 2019 19:58:51
I don't see what the issue is with my comments, do you seriojsly think Shaw and Maguire are good enough? They can't defend to save their lives; just going to have another season where we concede goals for fun.


13.) 15 Jul 2019 06:41:44
Shaw was our player of the year. He had his best year at United.
So there is no question that he would improve even more next year.
Maguire hasn't even signed yet and the scrutiny has already started.


 

 

10 Jul 2019 06:32:51
After listening to Ole's press conference, it looks like Mason Greenwood will get a major role this season.
Ole seems to have a lot of confidence in his ability.

TrueRedDevil

1.) 10 Jul 2019 06:58:44
Ole handled that presser very well, wonder if he was advised to answer everything like that or he just did it off his own back.


2.) 10 Jul 2019 07:21:46
Big V why turn a positive into a negative?


3.) 10 Jul 2019 08:04:01
True,

I really hope so, he’s the best finisher to come through the academy for years and could save the club a small fortune. I know he’s young but I’d just stick him in as often as we can, I hope he scores a few in pre season, I think he could surprise a few this year if given the chance, he’s some player.


4.) 10 Jul 2019 08:36:25
He is gds. But he is still a kid and I hope, even If he does have a good showing in pre season. Not too much pressure is put upon him.


5.) 10 Jul 2019 09:22:00
Angel,

He’s 17 so hopefully nobody is expecting anything too much from him, there’s no pressure and to be honest I think he will be better than people expect anyway. I watched a lot of the under 18s last year as they played some great football and he was far too good, it was a bit embarrassing at times for the opposition, man v boys.


6.) 10 Jul 2019 12:14:06
Yeah of course. But the way fans have behaved recently towards players, most notably rashford, they will expect him to deliver the world if he does well in a few games.

I think he's a cut above myself!


7.) 10 Jul 2019 15:00:30
I think you’re spot on angel. Watch greenwood has a few poor games or a couple of misses and the pack of wolves will be out. I hate the modern fan.


 

 

09 Jul 2019 05:46:59
There are reports suggesting that Ole's main focus in pre-season is building up fitness.
I believe that is the right way to begin.

The fitness, stamina of our players in the last 8-10 games were piss poor.
Poch has made Spurs remarkable by improving their overall energy, pressing opponents and forcing out mistakes.

Most of the players in the squad earn staggering pay checks.
Is it too much to ask of them to outrun the opponents?

TrueRedDevil

1.) 09 Jul 2019 08:59:29
Hard work over takes talent when talent forgets to work hard.

A classic saying, and totally on the money. There are reports that some players aren't happy with the fitness work in training. While there are also reports that the players are surprised by Dan James's fitness levels.

Maybe Dan James just has the right fitness levels and the squad have been so used to not running for a living they find the expected fitness levels surprising.

Either way the result should be the same, work hard or ship out.

If your paid more than your opponents then you should be working at least AS hard but probably harder than them.

Spurs players accept it, as do Liverpool's.

We finished 6th last year, but in terms of distance covered, distance ran and high intensity sprints we were 17th in the league. While four of the top five finished in the top four positions.

That's a clear indicator that hard work is needed if you want to be a top team.


2.) 09 Jul 2019 09:03:28
It's the minimum you can ask for that money IMO.


3.) 09 Jul 2019 09:53:21
They haven't gave a solid shift for 6 years.

Ole worked under the best manager there was and I never once thought United were a last team.

But over the past 6 years we have slowly become a team that doesn't really care about putting the graft in.

Liverpool and city are perfect examples of how hard to work and credit to pep and klopps team every player give everything on the pitch

We don't even come off with an once of sweat.


4.) 09 Jul 2019 10:36:04
The problem I have is that Ole saying he is working on fitness, you can't help but do that. EVERY team is working on fitness during pre-season, even pub teams work on fitness during the summer! If you have a bunch of spoiled brats bitching and moaning every step then it won't take long for them to corrupt the ones that are taking things seriously.

There has been a lot of talk by both the manager and the players since OGS took over. Not seen much delivered, just saying one thing and doing another. I can't help but fear that he has been rewarding long contracts to players that we would maybe have been better drawing a line under. Too many players have signed that were stars at their former clubs and then get 'corrupted' by whatever is going on within our club - it's a pattern.

Daniel James is standing out at the minute, I hope he has the strength of character to keep embarrassing them and doesn't succumb to peer pressure of the lazy charlatans that claim to be elite athletes.

If it's true that some of our players are moaning about a fitness regime during pre-season and we don't get them out the door, then we are in for another rough year!


5.) 09 Jul 2019 11:43:02
Maybe city and liverpools players work so hard because their managers illicit that response from them.

These players seemed to nail lvgs slow and ponderous posessions style or joses sit back, defend deep long ball style.

Part of oles job description as a modern football manager is to motivate the players to put that extra work in and improve.


6.) 09 Jul 2019 12:41:49
Well hopefully he motivates them with fines an the transfer list.


7.) 09 Jul 2019 16:28:13
Some people can't be motivated. Some need the stick and not the carrot.

If world class managers with extensive CV's such as LvG or Mourinho can't motivate them then who can?

People talk about Pep and his ability to motivate players. But they forget the number of players he has also fallen out with. Zlatan for instance. Pep also has bought all bar 4 players of his current 25 man squad.
Which begs the question why couldn't he motivate or coach the former players he sold to play this brand of football?


8.) 09 Jul 2019 20:10:06
The stats from last season proved that Utd players were not fit enough.

New signing James is a fit lad and very quick but from the championship. However he apparently wiped the floor with all the other players in short and long sprints.
We now see footage of AWB running rings around players in a small sided game.

You can see why Ole wants young hungry players with no ego and willing to learn.

So many bad apples in the current squad.


 

 

08 Jul 2019 05:56:45
Do you guys think we would add 1 more forward to our squad?
Because at the moment, we have Sanchez, Lukaku, rash, Lingard, James, Mata, Martial fighting for 3 spots.
Surely we need to move 1 or 2 if we are planning to integrate Chong or Greenwood to the squad.

(Sorry Ed's, I had a problem with my Space key for the past few days so used dot to separate words. )

TrueRedDevil

1.) 08 Jul 2019 10:41:44
The problem is that the club are actively looking to move Sanchez on and are happy enough to sell Lukaku. If both leave then we have a starting forward line of Lingard, Rashford and Martial with an aging Mata and a new to this level James. As well as the kids.

If both Lukaku and Sanchez leave then I think we will sign another forward. Sebastian Haller wouldn't be a bad shout without breaking the bank. Would offer an option of a target man who can actually finish as well as bring others into play.

We have the same issue in midfield but much worst. Of our travelling squad for the tour we have ten players listed as midfielders. However, that includes Mata, Lingard, James, Gomes and Chong who in reality will play wide or as advanced midfielders. That leaves Pogba, Andreas Pereira, McTominay, Matic and Garner. That gives us 5 players who can play in midfield, of which Pogba is likely to leave, Garner is a kid and Matic is on the decline. Midfield is in need of a serious upgrade?


2.) 08 Jul 2019 10:51:42
Offloading Sanchez will resolve a massive issue.

If Pogba leaves, we will probably need a new midfield.
I'd like to see Bruno, Saul and Longstaff in a midfield 3.
With Fred, Mctominay and Matic deputising or rotating.


3.) 08 Jul 2019 11:07:58
A midfield of Saul, Longstaff and Bruno is a massive upgrade even when you factor in the loss of Pogba.

Then rotate Matic, Fred, McTominay and Andreas Pereira.

Sanchez will be hard to offload. The club will likely have to take a bit with him. Be that paying him off, or even loaning him out and paying some of his wages. Its looking like an expensive mistake.


4.) 08 Jul 2019 11:26:21
If lukaku leaves have you guys thought about Salomon Rondon as replacement? i like how he works his socks off for the team, how he holds up play and he is a goalscorer too.


5.) 08 Jul 2019 13:30:01
Rondon is a bottom half player. Works hard, but isn’t good enough for a team hoping to challenge for trophies. Nowhere near the quality required.


 

 

 

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22 Jul 2019 06:04:31
We never know darv.
Sanchez and Fred could have been a hit at City.
Sometimes things don't work out for players at certain clubs.

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22 Jul 2019 06:02:33
maxlfc, your arguments seem silly.
Lukaku scored 27 goals in his first season.
Only the last year cannot be used as a barometer to judge a player's price.
He just turned 26 and is entering his peak years.
In the right system, he will easily score 30 plus goals.
Therefore the club has every right on the valuation they put on Rom considering the current inflated market.

If we budge on our valuation, it will set a bad predicament for future sales.

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22 Jul 2019 05:45:36
At the moment, Maguire will walk into our side.
Moves Lindelof to his preferred Right side.
Dangerous in set piece at both the boxes.
Can pick a pass which means he is another attacking outlet.
Ofcourse he has his deficiencies, But I would easily pick him over Jones or Smalling or Rojo.

We are not challenging for the title. We cannot offer Champions League.
Do you guys really think it is attractive for the likes of Varane or De Ligt to join us?
We need to be realistic.

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21 Jul 2019 18:58:01
If true, that would be an insane transfer window for us.
First time addressing all weak areas on the pitch.

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{Ed004's Note - A window with Wan Bissaka, Maguire, Bruno, Pepe, James with De Gea and Pogba staying would be the best we have had in years. That along with Lindelof, Shaw, McTominay, Fred, Martial, Rashford and Greenwood all hopefully ready to step up another level and we would be in good shape for next season. Still a lot of work to be done}


 

 

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19 Jul 2019 12:56:12
Bailly would be my 3rd choice and Smalling 4th choice.
Rojo is a walking red card.
Jones can hardly play a quarter of a season without getting injured.
Tuanzebe needs an EPL loan to progress.

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24 Jul 2019 05:32:34
Great job Ken.
Inter are interested in Darmian, Sanchez and Rom.
I feel Pepe will move to Napoli because they are offering a direct replacement plus money to Lille.
So not sure who will be the fallback option for RW.

Midfield 3 of Bruno, SMS and Longstaff would be ideal if Pogba leaves with Fred, Matic and Mctominay to provide cover.

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23 Jul 2019 17:33:15
I'm loosing my mind after reading this post lol.

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23 Jul 2019 11:55:11
Most probably Napoli.

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There is a detailed update in banter 2 page.

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23 Jul 2019 11:02:34
It's the first time in 5 years wherein Shaw played more than 35 games in a single season. So he was bound to run out of juice towards the end of last season.
I expect him to have an even better year this time with him being more threatening in attack.

AWB, imo will be a revelation.

Lindelof is progressing steadily after his dodgy first season.

Maguire will hopefully add the physicality and settle down the back 4.
All 4 are good on the ball so we can confidently play out from the back.
The fullbacks have pace and can provide good width in attack.

De Gea signing a new deal is massive.

Overall, the back 5 look solid with Tuanzebe, Bailly and Dalot providing adequate backup.

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