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12 Jan 2014 08:38:46
Dear eds
As far as ngiak's non soccer sources are concerned
Man united have just about sealed two players
ngiak is confused
There is absolutely no news in the open yet
gan
1.) Coantreau on loan and 'A' another? (decent midfielder hopefully)
btw can someone tell me the last player utd got on loan? Utd needing to loan players is a worrying thought
2.) Roonbest I believe the last player we had on loan was one Henrik Larsson! Not that worrying considering when we had him on loan we had a very strong team of, Rooney, ronaldo, berba and so on.
3.) Ok henrik was a good loan deal (for 3 months or so) but it is still worrying that we need to get player's on loan is it not?
4.) If it was from any other club I would say possibly. But when buying from Real Madrid they are extremely difficult to deal with. Saying that they are when they wanna buy as well, however I think doing it this way, could be a good thing. Because although fabio Coentrao is a good player, buying him and then him becoming a massive flop in England could turn out to be very costly. So maybe a season long loan isn't such a bad idea after all for if he can't adapt to England as quick as we need him too. We can send him packing with no serious money lost.
5.) @roonbest
Wasn't Carlos Tevez a loan? We didn't officially own him to sell him, so I guess that's counted.
6.) Roonbest, imo it would be foolish to buy him outright when he's played so little recently. A 6 month loan with option to buy would be ideal in the situation.
7.) Lets look at it this way, how many players have barca, bayern, chelsea, city or real loaned in recently? I am not saying it is not a good way to look at a player without committing to buy them, but if this becomes a regular way we do business it will confirm that our owners are NOT even interested in competing with the top clubs for the top players, hence the 'it's a worry post '
8.) What are you going on about 'roonbest' how many flops have those teams bought? Granted we have bought flops, which has resulted in many fans whinging and blaming the manager and team around him, but we have fair less considered to are rivals, ares atleast contribute to title successes .
Barca are really restricted to one major signing a year and I can't remember one standing out: Ibra (was it one season?)
David Villa fell out with the Messiah!
Fabs by name (not so fab over there)
Dont get me started on chelsea and city, didn't city send out a whole teams worth on loan?
9.) Aaallj5 of course I do not wish our club to waste money and the loan system can be great but my point is that we do not loan in players (only once or twice in the last 10 years) and if this is the way we start doing business then it is an indication of the financial restrictions being placed on the manager, surely you can see this?
10.) Or your looking for a we're broke conspiricy and not seing that it would b a good deal 4 us as we need that position filling and he may not b the man for it and we don't look bad or he could be ideal and we b in a strong place to buy him also Madrid don't necessarily want to sell yet?
11.) Think we have gone for Coentrao on loan as DM isn't sure about him so loan with option works perfectly
12.) Have you heard any more news about this yet ngiak?
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03 Jan 2015 16:17:43
Kagawa went to Dortmund, Juventus wanted Nani & Hernandez. Perfect opportunities to sort out one of their awesome CB's - opportunity missed.
The Beast""
Dear mr beast
"First thing you would have done is buy a centreback"
Ngiak has been dormant for a long time
And noticed your rise in prominence here
At first glance the impression was if good inside knowledge of at least the pulse of the club
Increasingly a juvenile impatience and lack of a comprehension of what happened the last 2 years has come to the fore
A team aged
A team lacking talent
Still dreaming of the past "ferdie of qpr v that of ours?" Quote you?
A team totally lost in direction and team ethic
Lost in confidence
Cliques. And primadonnas
And a new coach to take over after the biggest tournament in the world
Hmmm yes lucky
Yes lotsa new purchases
But it's not fantasy football or FIFA soccer dear sir
Here. Take our want away underperforming useless primadonnas and give me your best centreback
Just like that sir?
Gan
1.) You miss the key point Ngiak - +a lot of money which talks! We are throwing money around like confetti, yet fail to fill the gaping hole that got even wider with the departures of Ferdinand & Vidic.
It is beyond belief that we have not signed any quality CB, considering the overwhelming evidence of our weakness in that key area. There are far better than Jones, Smalling & Evans available. We gambled and lost.
2.) Not posted in a while, but have been a constant reader. Got to say beast everyone is open to there own opinion on here but we've heard your same negative opinion far too many times now. As for the centre back situation I agree it's a big problem which the club have tried and failed to rectify, but what would you rather do wait for the one we want or waste more money on crap?
On the performance of the team I agree they don't look good at times but at least we can see LVG is trying to change our style to a more possession based game which will come good hopefully. We're getting the results for top 4 at the moment and that's what we need after last year, and we're refusing to be beaten which is a good thing.
We all want to see great exciting football but one step at a time after last year, from some of the posts I've read people would love to see great football every week and happily finish seventh again by the sounds of it.
The results are the most important thing this year.
3.) Agree with you beast, we have one of the best goalkeepers now so we need to put 2 top cb in front of him, sooner rather than later.
4.) Beast, I'm not going to give you any !more grief because you seem to attract plenty already. But I have to challenge you here. Can you show me any proof that you, or ANY poster on here said, at any point, before last summer's transfer window that our main priority was CB?
I totally agree that it is a position that needs sorting. We all wanted a Hummel's or varane last year, granted. Martins India and even Vlaar were also mentioned quite regularly. But I think I am correct in saying that midfield was seen as the !ain priority by just about everyone.
I may be splitting hairs a little, but I don't think anyone envisaged our CB being quite as awful as they have been. These are professional footballers who seem to have lost the very basic skills required to do their jobs. And I am sorry, but neither Vidic or Ferdinand would in any way shape or form be the answer. Both are well past their best and are finished at the top level. And Evra, although once a 'warrior' has attracted nothing but criticism on here for the last 3 years.
We need to strengthen our defence, no question, but if the players we already have could perform to a standard anywhere near that of which they are all quite capable, then we would be in a much better position. Whatever you think of the manager, once those players walk out onto the pitch, he cannot, and should not, be held responsible for pathetic individual performances and schoolboy mistakes. I am quite sure that had he have had the opportunity the drop some of those underperforming half wits, he would have. Unfortunately, a ridiculous amount of injuries has meant that has not been possible. Whether or not LvG is in any way responsible for some of those injuries, I do not know. And that is a whole different conversation.
Mr.Penguin, good to see you back my feathered friend. :)
5.) 03 Jan 2015 18:49:01
Beast your comprehension of the transfer market is a little childish.
Imagine if last summers transfer window went like this, We spend a long time chasing Hummels only for him to move to Real Madrid, we then go for Varane but he chooses Chelsea because he was clearly second choice, Godin decides he wants to stay at Atlectico, so we end up signing Vlaar for 20m on deadline day because we're desperate and everyone else has turned us down.
Would you be happy with that?
Cast your mind back just a little further than remember Fabregas didn't want to leave Barca, Kroos then chose Real, the Herrera deal was too complicated so we settled for Fellaini. A decent player but not one significantly better than the ones we had.
Signing players isn't like popping down to Tesco and picking them off the shelves.
Yes we signed several players this summer but let's have a look at those transfers.
Real were actively trying to sell Di Maria, and we were the highest bidders, mostly because PSG weren't allowed to bid remember.
We had a whole year to work out the Herrera deal, and ultimately just paid his buy out clause fee.
Blind and Shaw were bought from clubs that have good academies but always end up selling their best players.
Rojo was signed from a similar type club as Ajax and Southampton but even then we still had to meet a buy out clause to force through a deal.
Then Falcao was signed on a loan deal from a club who were desperate to get him off the wage bill and we were the only club prepared to take a gamble on him.
So two deals we forced through via buy out clauses, two we were just willing to pay more than anyone else for them but the selling club were willing to sell.
One deal was a gamble loan deal which no one else was prepared to take. Blind was the only deal were we didn't pay over the odds and we didn't have to use a buy out clause for.
All our deals were for players either the selling club wanted to sell or players we were able to get via a clause. But you have to accept not all clubs are willing to sell us their best players and they don't all have clauses we can use to get a deal done.
Sometimes you just have to accept no means no.
We spoke to Dortmund apparently and was told they wouldn't entertain the idea of selling Hummels last summer, but maybe in a years time. So if Hummels really is the man LvG has set his heart on then how would you feel if he then went and signed some average CB and the following summer lose out on Hummels to a rival club?
Last summer we spent over 150m and closed 6 deals while also managing to move several players on, that was great work done by the club and about as much as we could have asked for. At some point the club have to make a decision on whether to keep pursuing a target which has little chance of coming off or to focus their attention on deals that have a good chance of being completed.
we all complained that the club dragged their feet the previous summer having only signed Fellaini, now you complain that the club didn't sign the players you wanted? Have i missed something here, i am assuming you sent Mr Woodward and Mr van Gaal the list of targets they should pursue? As if you didn't then you really have no grounds to complain that they didn't sign them.
I'm assuming your quite young as your demeanour is that of a petulant child who has been told he can't have his way. In the real world we just suck it up and do our best, everyone at the club is doing that despite the huge injury list and all the other complications we are having to deal with.
I can't remember you complaining about our style of play during Sir Alex's final season with us, although i suppose it's easier to accept when were winning.
6.) Betty - I suppose had we known LVG was going to play 3CB's which most people think is wrong, then there would have been more of a clamour for it - I don't have any evidence I'm afraid. The squad needed and needs a lot of work granted, but not bringing in a CB was crazy and we are paying for it now big style. Whether it was identified or not we aren't the ones being paid millions of pounds to pre-empt problems.
Shappy - What does my age have to do with any of this mate?
My name is appearing a lot because people are taking the time to challenge my views and I then respond to them when I can. It doesn't help when people grab certain quotes taking them out of context as it just means the whole point I am making gets lost banging on about one specific aspect.
My main problem in terms of this branch is that if having ball playing CB's was part of LVG's plan he should have sorted that out first. If we don't have control at the back then we get the performances we are seeing, lack of options going forward, poor/rushed service and a lot of side to side and backwards passing.
I understand that transfers are not a simple process, however we are talking about the problems and strengths of our team. My stating that we have the funds to buy virtually any CB is a point of view and pretty fair considering football is a business just as much as it is a sport now.
£60m on ADM or £45m (dare I guess that would be enough) on Hummel's. At the moment it would have been wiser for the CB, but LVG didn't have that luxury, he did have the knowledge that our CB's are not up to the job and he didn't do enough to handle that in the time he had in my eyes.
You see everything I say above could lead into numerous areas: Should we target Hummels, was ADM a waste of money, is it LVG's plan to stick with 3 at the back, is he only doing it because of xyz. All it takes is for one person to jump on one of these and it starts another round of me having to explain my thinking, its like a bloody evil bacteria mutating.
You will be thinking, "We don't need Hummels" for example, as you have said this recently. I disagree, but we definitely shouldn't be too picky as we are limited by the strength of our defence. I want to see our attack unleashed, it is being held back horribly.
Also Herrera needs to play when fit!
7.) 03 Jan 2015 19:27:39
I enjoyed that ngiak.
8.) Wow shappy do you think if we send in our lists they will take them on board?
If so I want Laporte & Varane as our new cb pairing. Gundogan & Pogba to partner Herrera in mid-field and reus to play up front with di Maria and falco/rooney. I will get writing and stick it in the post monday
Thanks
9.) Great to see the penguin back!
Rojo will prove to be an excellent signing at centre back, if we stick with three at the back then Rojo, Smalling and Jones will be strong once they get a run together.
10.) We are definately improving, but anyone who thinks we played fantasy football in fergies last couple of years in charge is deluded
11.) 04 Jan 2015 12:19:07
Bit harsh that Shappy and unnecessarily personal in my view, although I happen to think you are correct in your analysis.
I'm glad we haven't panicked and brought in second rate centre backs; it's clear now we already have enough.
I'm happy we've had the chance to work this out though. The young centre halves we already have are being given a chance and they've been found wanting.
I think Evans has to go but maybe Jones, Smalling & McNair are young enough to improve sufficiently but none of them are currently good enough to be first choice players.
05 Jul 2014 13:20:46
The majority of the rumours on the site must have some shred of substance
As ngiak is hearing that the other two signings as earlier predicted will be from the remaining teams
The signings will occur directly after the last games like the previous 2 and they will proceed for a vacation
No brainer to ngiak
Poignant though as the Chileans are already out and there are a few potentials there
ngiak is a little upset there will be no Chileans
It's probably Germans and Dutch?
And finally there will probably be a 5th if all goes well soon
Time will tell and ngiak is excitedly twitching his flippers
gan
1.) Or Belgium (Vermaelen) and Argentinian (Di Maria)?
2.) Chile haven't been out long enough yet.
3.) 05 Jul 2014 14:46:55
When did Herrera got knocked out?
4.) Yeah they will probably be having a holiday first plus agents will be doing the paperwork whilst Sanchez & Vidal have a little break.
Come on Woody you can do it!
5.) Don't worry GDS it's not as Gan is just clutching at straws to support his vague transfer nonsense.
6.) 05 Jul 2014 17:36:32
In the words of Karl Pilkington. "BS"
24 Jun 2014 16:28:06
"United have their own lawyers on the case this time and they have met the buy-out clause. Now it's a medical and personal terms with the player, and the beginning of a new era at Manchester United. """
Quoted from sky sports
just a few of ngiak's friends featured on some sites
Time will tell
gan
1.) Soon as I read "friends" I stopped reading :)
2.) I stopped at ngiak
3.) Carloto :)
4.) Nice :)
03 Jun 2014 11:39:56
Dearest bond
Unlike others ngiak thinks you are gold
Still waiting for your martini shaken
Unlike others who have god like egos and dish out regular insults but can't take even one in return
Unlike others constantly in "PMS"
Ngiak sincerely hopes you are seen more often
It's more jovial and collegial atmosphere with you around
Maybe then this site will see the return of the real banter fans
Ngiak can only hope. :)
Time will tell
gan
PS. What's this about lvg saying 4 signings? Hmmm a penguin once said that awhile ago and was shot down
{Ed007's Note - Thanks very much my flippered friend.}
1.) Well said gan, it's becoming a bit of a joke and the site would be better off without the people who do this
Glad u posted it
2.) Yes four players plus Shaw. So five :)
3.) Well said Gan - far to many ego's of late kicking about on here.
4.) Good post ngiak, my feelings exactly. This page is becoming more of a criticism and moaning site more than anything else.
5.) I agree with you on Bond, obviously, who wouldn't?
But there's a big difference between a rumour stating that van Gaal 'looking' to sign 4 players, and a rumour stating that "4 deals are certain for now". You do this every transfer window: you act as if you're in the know, bring up vague transfer rumours as if they were fact, and then when they fail to materialise you spout some more vague twaddle.
I have no problem with people speculating, but when people pretend to know inside information because they need attention, it's just painful. If you has any real info, you'd be able to name the 4 certain signings (if they're certain you should clearly know who they are). But you don't so you just speculate about how many signings you think we might make in a transfer window, and if the number is correct you can continue to pretend that you have inside info.
I thought horses were bad, but evidently even they are full of less excrement than penguins.
{Ed007's Note - Aw shucks....I'm blushing here.}
28 May 2014 18:03:37
Dear Betty
ngiak is amazed at you having a go at mr Sydney
Over the years
You should know by now
Mr Sydney is the only person in this world who
Allow ngiak to quote mr Sydney
Knows 'man united's main targets'
'Knows what players and players agents think' for a fact
'Knows exactly what the new manager wants before even the manager thinks it'
'Knows the exact price of every player that will be bought and the value of the player'
And. Best of all
If you point this out quoting him
He will totally deny it saying you are putting words in his mouth and he never said it
Or he will will say he meant it another way
Dear Betty
Why do you even attempt to fight a losing battle?
ngiak wonders about you humans
Totally irrational
gan
1.) I wonder how Sydney knows it because you're the only one with a crystal ball.
2.) Gan, there's an old human phrase about people in glass houses that you might like. Syd may be obstinate when he's arguing a point, but you're the one who's been touting mystery transfers for the last few years which never quite seem to come to fruition. Or is it Ngiak who's selectively in the know?
3.) Keep your beak out Penguin lol.
I wouldn't dare have a go at Sydney!, he could bench press 150kg when he was 18!
4.) Betty, that was a long time ago, I doubt I could bench half of that now :)
I think it's just people's nerves, we all want us to have a good summer and so far it's not been too great. There's still plenty of time to go, but we need to act sharpish if we want our main target. I just have a horrible feeling, in fact I have asked the editor if Chelsea could come back into the frame if we negotiated the price down, I asked that not too long ago and he said it was possible. Then it goes and happens. I feel we may have missed the boat now.
5.) 28 May 2014 20:52:06
Pot, kettle, black :)
If you follow Ed02 you will know who our targets are. I read this page and others daily. So it's obvious who Moyes' targets were. It will become easier to know LvG's targets over the coming weeks.
What happened to those three signings the other week?
6.) Syd, I mean no offence, its just a bit of a laugh. I think people are getting carried away at the moment. If we still haven't signed anyone significant by mid August we will have good reason to worry. I think to an extent we are all lead by stories in the press. Deep down we all know they are full of sh@t, but we all still believe the snippets of info that we want. People have been asking why we take so long to get deals done, and that is fair enough. Someone said that it has only taken 2 days for PSG to negotiate the purchase of David Luiz. The truth is they probably made an enquiry a while ago. But the focus of the press is always on Manchester United, and the Luis story may have eluded them, especially with the sacking of Moyes and the seemingly obvious, but drawn out appointment of LvG. Stories involving MUFC will always sell more papers than stories about other teams.
The transfer of Luke Shaw will probably drag on for weeks, whether he comes to OT or not. He may have already agreed to come for all we know. Likewise, he may already have made it clear that he wants to join Chelsea. If Southampton stand firm on his valuation, he may not move at all, though that does now seem unlikely.
Without trying to defend Ed Woodward again, I think that the reported ( again, if true! ) £27m bid for Luke Shaw is a more than reasonable one for an 18 year old. Southampton may well have quoted a price for Shaw, but I think history shows that, despite what they initially say, the selling club usually end up negotiating the price. That is the selling club's prerogative of course, but I think from MU's point of view £27m is a very fair starting point.
The problem is for us, the world and his dog know that United are desperate for quality players in key areas. They will use this as leverage to make us pay over the odds. The club has said on many ocassions in the past that they will not pay over the odds. Will that policy change this summer given our current situation? I would think not, but that is just my opinion. One thing I don't want is for the club to start throwing money around for the sake of it. We all like to criticise City, Chelsea PSG etc for the same thing. I know they are spending other people's money, while we are self funding, but the principle is the same. If we miss out on Luke Shaw it will be a shame, but it won't be the end of the world. We need a new and reliable left back, but personally, I think the priority has to be midfield. If we are to stretch our budget and spend big this summer, I would rather sign two top midfielders and look elsewhere for a left back is Luke Shaw is priced out of our budget.
7.) "We all like to criticise City, Chelsea PSG etc for the same thing."
Where are you getting this stuff from BS? The issue isn't and never was with their spending. Teams can spend whatever they like, the issue was them spending their owner's money to buy players at inflated prices and paying players excessive salaries, when clubs like us use our own dosh to buy players and remain self sufficient. That's why people have had issues with sugar daddies. All clubs buy players, it's when clubs are using their owners cash that gets on people's nerve.
8.) Syd, honestly I give up. You will argue that black is white. I already noted the difference between spending other peoples money and self generated money in my last post. Then you go on to bemoan teams for paying over inflated prices and paying excessive salaries. The money may come from a different source, but the principle is the same. Over inflated prices are over inflated prices, full stop. If you think that is wrong then I agree with you 100%, but you were the one arguing earlier that we should pay whatever it takes to land Luke Shaw, even if it means paying an inflated price. You can't have it both ways Syd.
We are going around in circles today and getting nowhere. So I will retire to bed now and wish you good night, otherwise we will still be here at 4am. I am not interested in a pi##ing contest.
Betty Swollocks, over and out :)
9.) I will say it again slowly. As long as a club generates it's own cash then they can do with it as they please.
It was never the amounts spent, it was always where the money came from that bothered people.
Every football club buys players therefore they are buying success or attempting to buy success, there's nowt wrong with that.
What people see as wrong is clubs like you mentioned spending money they couldn't do without their owner.
{Ed002's Note - That is not entirely true in terms of FFP Syd.}
10.) Sydney, that's easy to sy when you support a big club like Manchester United which already generates a lot of revenue.
How are smaller clubs able to become big clubs without an external injection of cash?
Look at Athletico. They win La Liga and get to the Champions League Final. However, Barca and Real receive all the TV money so next season they will be stronger and Athletico will probably be weaker.
Of course there are some crazy extremes like Monaco but please tell me how in this day and age a smaller club can become a big club other than through a sugar daddy?
Also, don't you think the EPL is more interesting because Chelsea and City have had money injected into them to make them competitive at the top level?
11.) I was just explaining what some people don't like about these types of clubs. Obviously Chelsea are almost self sufficient nowadays. It was never the spending, as spending is the norm, just where the money came from.
Ed can I ask if there's anything new lately regarding MU targets? Can you do us a write up when you get your latest info? Thanks
{Ed002's Note - There is nothing of particular note Syd, but remind me late Monday afternoon and I will try and write it up in the evening.}
12.) Andrew, rightly or wrongly, I am merely explaining the issue people have with these clubs. It's not the money spent, it's that it's not their money being spent. Personally I think there are pros and cons to it. It's certainly made things more interesting.
13.) Thanks Ed. I understand with the change of manager it will not be easy. I imagine things are still up in the air. Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - Some things certainly are Syd.}
Dear sir
ngiak is glad to hear that
It just will speed up the slow man united negotiation process
they are just too lethargic from what ngiak hears
let them feel the pressure and ngiak is certain a couple more will be completed
gan
There is no joy greater than a parents joy looking at their kids
Ngiak is extremely joyful for you
Gan
Ngiak agrees that Evans has been the most overrated centreback in the league
He is so bad that there is no way he is a certainty even for a team in the championship league
There will surely be 2 Centrebacks bought in soon
As Smalling is worse than Evans
gan
Carrick is rubbish
Too slow and too lightweight for the BPL now
Ngiak hopes he leaves soon
gan
Ngiak supports gan
All humans are beneath ngiak