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17 Jul 2022 14:15:08
Question for Ed002 if you're around. Any chance of us making a move for Depay this summer if Ronaldo leaves?

{Ed002's Note - No he is heading elsewhere.}

1.) 17 Jul 2022 16:06:42
Where?

2.) 17 Jul 2022 16:55:07
Looks to maybe be Spurs?

3.) 17 Jul 2022 17:14:28
I would assume Spurs Fireman.

4.) 17 Jul 2022 18:10:12
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5.) 17 Jul 2022 23:41:54
Thanks, Ed. Think he’s ready for the EPL now, so can see him being a bit of a bargain for somebody. Shame it won’t be us. A front three of Rashford, Sancho, and Depay could be interesting. I’d much rather him than Anthony.

6.) 18 Jul 2022 09:42:13
He’s had two cracks at playing at an elite level with us and Barcelona and been found wanting. Plus the whole circus show that follows him. Not for me.

7.) 18 Jul 2022 13:45:17
If ever there was a player to sign for spurs it's Memphis, dunno why but he is the most spurs like player ever??.

31 Aug 2021 13:57:00
Martial to PSG rumors starting to come in. Could be a good move for all involved.

{Ed077's Note - except PSG ðŸ˜‚ðŸ˜‚. Although I would think it improbable at this stage of the window

1.) 31 Aug 2021 14:04:42
Really depends on whether Real come back with another bid for Mbappe. One has to suspect that PSG are hoping that they will though. I know theyâ€™re rolling in cash and Mbappe is a top player, but â‚¬180m + wages is a ridiculous amount to pay/ lose for the sake of one more season. If he goes, I can see them scrambling to spend the money on Martial and/ or Pogba, which may allow us to bring in a MF. Mendez is apparently working on the deal as an intermediary, although apparently weâ€™re not overly keen.

2.) 31 Aug 2021 15:40:06
Did Tony start those rumors?

3.) 31 Aug 2021 19:05:23
Martial has more chance of signing for Melchester Rovers today than PSG. Sulkychops is here to stay sadly. Frustrating as we know thereâ€™s a talented lad there. Just doesnâ€™t show it anywhere often enough!

4.) 31 Aug 2021 19:32:13
I can only see Martial playing in the league cup and fa cup this year unless we have a lot of injuries.

If we want a chance of winning anything this year the left side has to be rotated between Pogba and Rashford, the right between Greenwood and Sancho, the number 10 between Fernandes and maybe Lingard and CF between Ronaldo and Cavani. Rotating these players in each position doesn't significantly alter the quality in my eyes, it is CM that the issue still is.

McFred isn't ideal but it gets the best out of Pogba being on the left and let's the front 4 and full backs do what they do going forward, well maybe not AWB so much.

We always look worse with Pogba in the centre or when Matic comes in which is why we needed an upgrade there, however it was a pretty good window so hopefully CM will be addressed in Jan or next Summer ðŸ¤žðŸ¤·â€â™‚ï¸.

5.) 01 Sep 2021 02:35:07
The front 4 options are incredible, and you didn't mention DvdB, Amad, Elanga, Martial. Crazy.

Lindelof and Bailly as reserve CBs

Our squad is stacked.

I actually like McT and Fred surrounded by this team, I am concerned when they can't play. I HOPE McTom and DvdB play together and create something new, I can see Scotty having the physicality height and field coverage to play well with Donny. He needs to be a bit more disciplined.

I think we will suprise a few non believers this year, we could pull it off. The league is very strong, be tough for anyone to win this year.

6.) 01 Sep 2021 17:55:51
I just don't see DVDB getting much league and CL game time again for whatever reason Dodgy, and Amad and Elanga will only be cup players on the whole I think and won't get many league or CL run outs.

I agree those 3 are very good players and add to the rest nicely, I just included the players I see playing plenty of league and CL games. Hopefully Martial isn't one of them, unless he stops being a moody, sulky baby and puts the required effort in.

07 Apr 2021 11:43:01
Question for Ed002, if you're around.

You mentioned recently that we may look to a more experienced striker like Benzema this summer as a stop gap of sorts and I was wondering if Aguero may be an option in that regard.

Reports today are suggesting that he wants to stay in the Premier League and would consider offers from Chelsea or Spurs. I'm aware of the animosity between United and City, but surely we could afford to pay more than either club, can all buy guarantee Champion's League football next season and our Manchester location means that he wouldn't have to relocate his family half way across the country.

Have we or he expressed any interest in making a deal?

{Ed002's Note - No, Aguero won't be moving to Manchester United.}

1.) 07 Apr 2021 13:53:37
Shame, Aguero and DDG are good friends and he would have been a nice stop gap for us.

2.) 07 Apr 2021 15:27:51
There is a good chance neither of them will be in Manchester come the start of next season.

3.) 07 Apr 2021 20:07:32
I wouldn't be surprised to see both back in Spain next year. If DDG does want to go, let's hope we don't make the same mistake as we did with Romero.

4.) 07 Apr 2021 21:48:59
Romero is very handsomely paid to sit on a bench every week.

5.) 08 Apr 2021 15:35:08
Still got that sinking feeling that Giroud is a candidate in this area. A scorer of great goals, but not a great scorer of goals, and you get the feeling Tuchel will be bringing in his own CF this summer (maybe Aguerro) .

{Ed077's Note - Giroud isnt a bad player for me. He would be a decent back up option but I am starting to think we need a starting ST.

Aguero to Chelsea? Improbable IMO.}

23 Jan 2021 02:58:30
Hi Ed002. Any truth to the reports stating that we've offered to take Eriksen on loan until the end of the season?

{Ed002's Note - Christian Eriksen (AM) Borussia Dortmund may offer a solution at the right price. Again PSG will look to an exchange with Leandro Paredes but Inter will again ask for some cash on top of any transaction but may be willing to forego that to resolve the situation. He is being offered to other sides as well with his return to Spurs, possibly on loan initially, being considered if Dele Alli were to depart. Christian Eriksen is seen as an option to Grealish by OGS but it makes no sense until the Pogba and Van de Beek issues are resolved and no offer has been submitted. It is difficult to see how he would fit in to the team as it stands right now. Leicester want a loan but cannot afford the wages.

1.) 23 Jan 2021 12:55:05
Pleased to see we are still thinking of Grealish - Iâ€™d love to see us adopt the Bayern model of buying up the best domestic league talent.

Iâ€™m not sure where exactly he would fit into the side but a player of that quality has to play.

2.) 23 Jan 2021 13:52:05
Looking at the current form Grealish will easily replace Rashy on the left. He can also help to rotate Bruno at no 10.

3.) 23 Jan 2021 14:07:25
Form is temporary mate.

I could only see Grealish being played off the right or in a very attacking midfield 3 alongside Fernandes and a defensive midfielder. It would be exciting viewing, reminiscent to Xavi and Iniesta.

4.) 23 Jan 2021 15:02:55
Xavi and Iniesta had nothing to do with a very attacking midfielder. They were first of all good at possession, their job was to control games. Grealish and Fernandez as a pair are totally different kind of players.

5.) 23 Jan 2021 18:52:28
Wash your mouth out Fresh!

6.) 23 Jan 2021 19:34:55
Agree with Herrera. Grealish and Bruno I donâ€™t think could play central together unless we had an absolute beast of a DM. And for me grealish despite rashford form right now does not displace him.

7.) 24 Jan 2021 11:18:38
You would need an avenger to play dm in a midfield with bruno and grealish to cover defensively.

8.) 24 Jan 2021 12:07:43
lol DSG. Thankfully we are interested in Rice, Zakaria and Saul.
Either one would be another step towards high quality.

9.) 24 Jan 2021 14:36:10
I'd go for ndidi if we are looking for a cdm. I love watching him play.

05 Oct 2020 11:04:57
Cavani and Telles have both signed. Expect a deal for Dembele to come through late in the day after Dortmund reject our â‚¬120m bid.

1.) 05 Oct 2020 11:08:32
Hope youâ€™re wrong. What I want to know is why Sancho (who is apparently unwell) has been out of the Dortmund squad for over a week and is currently in the UK. What is going on. Is it really unrealistic to think our terrible PR team have kept this all under wraps and will in fact announce Sancho this afternoon?

2.) 05 Oct 2020 11:13:58
would be peak woodward to bid what dortmund wanted all window to then be told to do one.

3.) 05 Oct 2020 11:18:27
Find it funny how so many United fans seem to not want dembele and the majority of Barcelona fans don't want to lose him.

On his day one of the best players in the world and a fast attacking style like ours would be a better fit for him than Barcelona who's play doesn't require players to be quick

Ed's already said it's a possibility I hope we are trying to make this one happen.

4.) 05 Oct 2020 11:18:41
Sancho not happening, deal went dead a while back, probably even if we offer the full amount today. Sancho is at St George's Park at the moment getting a C.V. test. Dembele, Cavani and Tellas will be the only signings today.

5.) 05 Oct 2020 11:29:29
O. Dembele's camp have come out and said he won't leave Barcelona today. He wants to stay there and fight for his place.

6.) 05 Oct 2020 11:32:22
Dembele off according to multiple reports.

7.) 05 Oct 2020 11:34:04
Sancho broke quarantine earlier in the year to go to UK for a haircut apparently, left out of squad in last 3 games due to challenge and is at a party in UK. might not be the best role model if true.

8.) 05 Oct 2020 11:38:32
I suppose Dembele could keep Tuanzebe company throughout this season.

9.) 05 Oct 2020 12:08:25
Sancho is trying to push the move too, or at least he will if and when a bid goes it.
Points re: Dembele, on his day, yes heâ€™s great but we can say the same about Pogba. We need consistency, no more gambles.

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16 Apr 2024 03:15:08
Interesting to see Liverpool fans starting to turn on Klopp after just a handful of bad performances. We've been terrible since last January, yet there are still people on here who'd rather blame everything but Ten Haag for our abysmal performances.

I'm not saying that the way that our club has been run since David Gill left hasn't been shambolic, but pretty much all of the issues that Ten Haag has had to deal with are ones that his predecessors also faced. If anything, I'd say he's been backed much better than any of our post-SAF managers when it comes to transfers. They were still able to implement their own styles of play, even if not all of those styles were effective or entertaining to watch.

1.) 16 Apr 2024 05:25:27
redseven

What clag you're chatting.
Ronaldo?
Sancho?
Greenwood?
Sale/ investment?

Not one of his predecessors has dealt with the current pressures relevant to any of that, not one.
While I have resigned myself to the reality that he won't be here next season, he has had a very rough ride.

There are some on here who blame the players and the coaching staff for how abysmal this season has become.

2.) 16 Apr 2024 06:42:24
Ork

Ten Hag has caused some of his own problems with his inflexibility, lack of leadership skills, poor ingame management, tactics and what he says.

If he got his tactics right and we could see a pattern emerging he would have had an easy ride. He pushed for players he knew Antony, Malacia, Amarabat, players that made no sense Mount, he was given money and in Antony’s case too much. I no longer have any sympathy for him and after throwing ac19 year old under the bus he should have been fired yesterday.

3.) 16 Apr 2024 08:00:18
He, like most of us, is paid to do a job. He isn’t.

He tried and I wanted him to succeed but he is lacking in flexibility, severely lacking tactically, delusional in his comments and has started chucking young kids under the bus.

Sorry but I am firmly in the OUT camp.

4.) 16 Apr 2024 08:13:28
Redman

I'm not defending any of that, I'm just answering the BS claim that ten Hag has faced issues that were mostly encountered by his predecessors.
The 4 situations I mentioned and all of their respective complexities have been faced by not one of his predecessors - not one.

He has made some mistakes and deserves the criticism for them, but let's not all talk clag.

5.) 16 Apr 2024 10:11:28
Ork. Greenwood was arrested during Rangnick’s tenure, not Ten Haag’s. The lad was never once available for the Dutch disaster, so not like he suddenly had to adapt his non-existent strategy because of the loss. Even if he did, Ragnick also had to deal with this issue.

Ronaldo came in under Ole, who was then forced to find a way to shoehorn him into the starting eleven. The discontent and disruption caused by Ronaldo’s arrival cost Ole his job, so it seems fair to say that he had to deal with this issue. Ten Haag actually had a chance to solve the problem right after he got started, but opted to block Ronaldo’s departure, thus creating an even bigger for himself further down the line.

The Sancho issue was another one caused by Ten Haag. None of his predecessors had to deal with Sancho specifically, but we’ve had our fair share of problematic players over the years. Pogba and Di Maria immediately spring to mind. The former was seemingly backed over Jose, so again Ten Haag actually had it easy when compared to some of those who came before him.

As for recruitment, Ten Haag has been backed more than any of our managers since SAF left. By all accounts, most of our signings have been his choices, and although we are currently dealing with financial constraints that have left us thin in certain parts of the pitch, that’s in large down to us overspending on Ten Haag’s terrible targets. Had he not been too stubborn to work with Ragnick (who had identified plenty of cheaper and better players than the dross we’ve signed under Ten Haag) we wouldn’t be in this mess.

The only one talking “clag” here is you, fella.

6.) 16 Apr 2024 10:19:14
Think many Liverpool fans are questioning the timing/ need to announce Klopp's departure so quickly rather than anything else, which I can understand.

7.) 16 Apr 2024 10:27:19
Yeah I'm qu6ote sure when klopp leaves nobody will turn up.
Nonsense to say Liverpool fans are turning on him. The man is adored and rightly so after what he's done for the club.
If they only win the league cup fans will be a little discounted I'm sure but imo they are the 3rd best team.
I don't believe that they are turning on him at all. You will always get the odd idiot but klopps Liverpool legacy is very firmly intact as it should be.

8.) 16 Apr 2024 10:33:12
There will always be noise around the United manager. Always.
Eth has not had I think either than anybody else.
He created the ronaldo and sancho situations himself and had nobody else to blame for either imo.
I'm mot saying he necessarily did the wrong thing but he created and put oil on those fires imo.
The takeover was difficult for him I'm sure.
The Greenwood issue happened before he arrived
Eth has had the same issues and noise all united managers face.
He did OK with some and bits so OK with others imo.
Imo eth does not use the power of silence enough.

9.) 16 Apr 2024 10:41:39
Ken. A lot of people over on the Liverpool page are now saying that Klopp isn’t good enough tactically and that it’s time for a new manager. His substitutions are bad and it’s his fault that the strikers aren’t putting their chances away.

I think a big part of this is down to them trying to take the sting out of his departure and agree that his legacy will remain intact regardless of how the rest of the season goes, but the general tone over there is pretty negative considering they’re only two points off first place and still have a chance of winning a treble (I don’t think they’ll turn things around in Italy, but wouldn’t bet against it) .

10.) 16 Apr 2024 12:01:09
The booked stops with the manager, why so many apologists and clag chattery. The lack of accountability and responsibility in modern discourse is saddening. It’s ok to accept someone has failed, it’s not personal. ❄️

So many well put points highlighting EtHs shortcomings above. The man’s not done it, end of story.

11.) 16 Apr 2024 13:13:32
Tumble
The power of silence is apt. If ETH hadn’t commented on Sancho it would likely have not escalated and then throwing Garnacho under the bus just was uncalled for. I think he is under pressure and is throwing out excuses and blaming players. To do it to a 19 yr old who has run his bloody socks off for him has really annoyed me. ETH should have kept it shut and that outburst should have been the end of him or hopefully will be.

12.) 16 Apr 2024 13:35:56
Not too clever of garnacho either though redman.

I agree on eth it should be another nail in his coffin.

13.) 16 Apr 2024 13:50:00
Tumble

Agreed Garnacho should not have liked the tweets. Young angry and frustrated but should not have done it
If ETH drops him for the next game that will be a nail in his coffin as well. You wonder if ETH will just be tough and lack finesse in leadership after it. Needs to handle it carefully and sensitively and not with size 11 boots like he has, except for those that are his favourites of course. We shall see.

14.) 16 Apr 2024 14:50:15
Redman I read a theory that eth is looking for a row with garnacho that would enable him to play Anthony.
I don't buy into that at all but nothing would surprise me.
I can't imagine he will be dropped for the semi final so that eth can turn to Anthony.
I think that theory will be well and truly put to bed as BS at the weekend.

15.) 16 Apr 2024 18:40:46
Tumble

That would be extreme, can’t see that as such, however, maybe he can use the argument, look at Antony, so stable and reliable, does what I ask him.

I think we don’t know what ETH will do, he reacts aggressively so it wouldn’t surprise me to see Garnacho on the bench, with an excuse he is tired, the opposition are physical. Garnacho has been our out ball, he is being asked to get at the opposition defence, not have any cover whilst doing it, then has to make 80 yard runs to cover others that jog back.

I think on balance Garnacho will start, but if ETH takes him off again like he did last weekend, I suspect we may see the lad start thinking of Real Madrid, who will welcome him with open arms.

16.) 16 Apr 2024 20:15:05
redseven

Mate, understand what I'm saying about dynamics.

Greenwood was arrested during Rangnick's tenure and was swiftly suspended. The situation was, for the club, a set condition.
When the charges were dropped, ten Hag was in situ and has since had indecision from upstairs regarding the player - a dynamic that makes this situation unique to ten Hag.

Ronaldo, irrespective of what was said or promised before, decided to conduct that pathetic interview during ten Hag's tenure.
That situation is one that is unique to ten Hag.

You've avoided conceding how unique the Sancho situation is because you're instead conceding no leg to stand on.

Pogba had an argument with Mourinho on the training ground being filmed by a sneaky peeker - that's not a public fallout and therefore a very weak comparison.

Di Maria?
Mate, really? I'm not even going there.

At no point have I said he's not made mistakes, there's a litany of poor decisions, but there are incredibly pertinent dynamics being ignored.

No other manager in our history has had to deal with severe indecision at board level, plus all the subsequent complications, regarding a player who's had serious allegations of a violent nature dropped - not Rangnick or anyone else.

No other manager in our history has had a player dig out their manager and employers on a TV interview - not Ole or Rangnick or anyone else.

No other manager in our history has had their authority publicly challenged on a prime social media platform in the manner displayed by Sancho.

I'm not saying he didn't make things worse for himself, but he has had a rather unique set of complications to deal with.

Perhaps my suggestion that you're chatting clag was a bit bitey, but I 100% stand by what I've just written now - he's had a rough ride that categorically is not all his own doing.
I'm chatting facts - straight up, irrefutable facts.

I think the overarching point being missed is that there are all these managers - some with vast and glorious experience - who have found cliques of players who are perfectly happy to scorch the reputations of anyone who dares stand up to them.
That's not to say the managers have been faultless, but the common denominator is blatantly obvious - precious little runts who probably couldn't spell the word 'professional' throwing every toy they can to get their way.

The significant changes needed at the club do not end at the dugout.
Until the player-power culture has been eradicated there is no hope for any manager of Manchester United - there's another straight up fact.

Where we certainly do agree is on ten Hag's future at season's end - it won't be at OT.

17.) 16 Apr 2024 21:01:58
Difference between criticising ETH and Garnacho is that the former is a mature guy with decades of experoand the latter a young guy learning his trade. ETH should have censured Garnacho in private.

18.) 17 Apr 2024 09:59:19
Not true on a few of those points ork.
Your second paragraph sums you up. 'Understand what I'm saying'
Perhaps you are being understood but simply disagreed with.
Your not stating facts your staying your opinion.
Fergie had to deal with the abandoned takeover by Knight the the the plc move then the glazer takeover.
Fergie and ron atkinson had to deal with sexual assault allegations against their players Atkinson more than once and other domestic violence situations.
Arrest off the captain on the eve of a cup final and the Cantona debacle.
Fergie had to deal with a player undermining him in a tv interview.
No doubting Eric had a few tricky ones but that's life at united.
No leg to stand on ??? what in a simple post of an opinion??? you have no idea what cliques he has faced no idea at all not the foggiest clue. Fact.
Perhaps the players think your a runt for making too many assumptions that you have no idea about.
Who knows?
Eth has made his own bed on some issues and made it very well others he in my opinion had handled badly.
Like all managers of all clubs.
Ronaldo accused the club of slavery in fergies time. He was wrong then I think a lot of what he said about eth has come out as true.
You have opinions And you sate a couple of facts.
You are very steadfast on your opinion which is fine but they are not all facts and your linings are based on a lot of assumptions like all our opinions looking from the outside in.
Sancho situation was let get out of hand and escalated. That's as much the mangers fault as sanchos.

19.) 17 Apr 2024 10:04:55
Back in the day Busby had to deal with prison sexual and domestic violence issues too. Just like many am employer in any walk of life.
Just sayimg.

12 Feb 2024 10:48:11
Fair play to Onana. I've been very critical of him so far (and rightly so, imo), but he had an excellent game last night. Hopefully he can build off of this and regain a bit of confidence moving forward.

30 Nov 2023 00:53:26
Any chance of us taking Ramsdale on loan in January? Onana will be at the AFCON, but even if that weren't the case, he has no business playing in goal for us given his current form. Taibi 2.0.

1.) 30 Nov 2023 06:30:14
Ramsdale has mistakes in him galore. Post match, I have watched the videos of the second goal and did not realize Martial had a chance to clear that ball and his effort is poor. No question Onana has to save that even with martial half hearted effort.

2.) 30 Nov 2023 06:58:54
There is no putting the blame at somebody else’s door Ahmad. Onana was solely responsible for those shots going in. They were weak efforts which any professional goalkeeper should be saving.

Poor free kicks to give away too, but that’s happened and you’ve got to deal with it.

I think that’s 3 CL games now that Onana has had stinkers.

3.) 30 Nov 2023 08:29:44
It's certainly been entertaining watching United in Europe, for pretty much none of the right reasons.

4.) 30 Nov 2023 11:07:21
Martial could’ve got a shout from the keeper. He cleared one either moments before or just after I’m the box.

Onana’s anticipation not good enough.

13 Sep 2023 04:30:42
Didn't get a chance to watch the game last night, but I heard Maguire came off the bench and scored a goal. I know he can be a bit suspect defensively at times, but he does pose a genuine threat from set pieces, which is more than can be said for most of our squad. Hard to believe that he can't get a game for us, really.

1.) 13 Sep 2023 05:39:14
He glided the ball past Ramsdale beautifully. Goalie didn't stand a chance. We really didn't need Hojlund. What we needed was Bellingham who was a class act and he linked up well with Rashford. Southgate should consider dropping Kane and replacing him with Maguire.

2.) 13 Sep 2023 07:46:25
I feel bad for the guy and he is almost cursed. He is not a bad player but last 18 months has been a nightmare for him. Weird stuff happens. The press and pundits coverage is terrible and hope when he gets on the pitch for us whilst he is here he gets treated fairly.

3.) 13 Sep 2023 07:51:09
He is being treated fair.

4.) 13 Sep 2023 08:03:48
I agree that when it rains it pours on occasion. He should not be buying a lottery ticket any time soon.

BUT

He is bang average at best and perhaps his lottery win has come in the guise of fleecing previous managers into thinking he was better than he is and this run of events is the real Maguire.

However I admit to being biased. Never have liked him as a player. I’m sure as Southgate says he is a lovely bloke but shall not hold my breath.

5.) 13 Sep 2023 08:36:45
Amhad how can you feel bad for Maguire? The man who asked the Greek police "do you know who I am" (arse) and the same multi millionaire bloke who would not take a pay cut from £9.5M to £6.25M without a £7M payoff from Utd to leave!

Yes he can play CB for a deep sitting team that wants to play on the break ala Ole but does not suit a team that wants to play progressive football with a high press.

I just hope from now to the end of the season he has some decent games for us as well as a good Euro's for England and gets himself in the shop window.

6.) 13 Sep 2023 09:02:18
jrred3

I don't disagree that he is not united quality and wanted him sold
and replaced in the summer. However he is here until at least Jan but I suspect next summer. I was just making a point he must be shattered mentally in terms of the things being said about him and he is still a united player and fans should support him on the pitch.

Its in everyone's benefit that he performs well and we get him moved at a decent fee to his next club.

Finally he has a contract and its people like Woodward who gave him those wages that is the real issue.

7.) 13 Sep 2023 09:11:29
Tbf, I felt a little bad for him too until he refused to leave. Sure, he’s entitled to stay and see out his contract if he really wants to, but any player who is serious about playing football would have been banging on the manager’s door demanding to leave since last January when it became clear that he was not a part of the manager’s plans and lacked the ability and attributes needed to play Ten Haag’s style of football. To then actively refuse to move to West Ham this summer (a move that would have been perfect for him in terms of style) shows where his priorities lie. Again, I get him holding out for as big a pay off as possible, but with the Euros coming up next summer, his number one priority should have been to secure a move elsewhere.

As for Southgate’s post-match comments, this is arguably his fault. All joking aside, a confident and in-form Harry Maguire doesn’t score that own goal yesterday, but Maguire is neither of those things at the moment. Southgate should be able to recognize that and advising the lad that he needs to be playing regularly to be at his best. However, by continuing to pick Maguire while he’s not playing, Southgate is just setting him up for failure and deserves just as much criticism as Maguire for that own goal.

8.) 13 Sep 2023 09:20:29
I'm going to side with the big guy for once. No, he's not good enough for a top team. But the ridicule in the press and online is ridiculous. We're not privy to the information leading to him staying at Utd last month, we don't know what his demands were or what he was entitled to but fans choose to latch onto speculation and turn it against him just because of who he is. He'll be gone soon enough and hopefully for him he can settle at a decent club.

9.) 13 Sep 2023 10:04:09
I don't think that Southgate is doing him any favours by picking him. Players need to play to maintain their levels, sharpness etc. at the minute some of his errors are coming from lack of game time and not being sharp.

Up until now he has performed well for England but those performances are diminishing, he now needs to be removed from these odd games every couple of months, told to get himself into a run of club games and then bring him back into the international fold.

10.) 13 Sep 2023 10:28:25
I hear they are calling him McMaguire now. Probably Scotland's best player on the night.

11.) 13 Sep 2023 10:40:10
Feel a bit sorry for him: lack of pace was cruelly exposed by DDG reluctance to come out of his box in the past, which sort of gave him his oil tanker turning reputation. Plus all that’s gone on at United, must be real debt to his confidence.

However, he should’ve done more to love to West Hsm and reignite his career, rather than - allegedly - not be willing to take a pay cut.

Hope he leaves soon for the sake of his career and well-being and I’d wish him well.

12.) 13 Sep 2023 10:45:00
Spenno, why will he be gone soon enough?

If he didn't take a pay cut to leave this summer, why will he do it January or next summer?

He may well leave, hopefully he does, but why are you so sure?

13.) 13 Sep 2023 12:04:24
Should have gone, westham was a great move for him, and moyes was going to make him captain according to some rumours (who knows if true! ) .

He dug his heals in for money. Or not big enough club or whatever, but didn't find himself an alternative. These is more to this game than just money, I guess he is learning that lesson the hard way. it is not like we didn't all see this coming, it was crazy staying to be 5th choice CB.

14.) 13 Sep 2023 12:17:21
I'm not sure Sydney, I just get the feeling he'll go even on loan in Jan. Maybe any demands he supposedly has, or the club's valuation of him, will dip in the coming months.
Other than that, in a sinister way of thinking, his best chance of being a Utd regular again will be if one of our current CB's gets a serious injury or (heaven forbid) anther player gets embroiled in something or other.

15.) 13 Sep 2023 13:29:18
I think it's a clear assessment that most United fans would like to see Maguire leave - I am one of them, but we must get real.

Maguire was bought and placed under contract with some startlingly stupid figures - that's Woodward's fault.
He was bought from a team where he looked decent as part of a 3 man defence and was expected to simply adapt effortlessly to a 2 man defence because our manager at the time was simply a coach in the wrong shoes - that's Ole's fault.

The point is that Harry Maguire, regarding the payoff fallout, is perfectly entitled to demand what he wants.
It's not his fault that he was offered obscene figures to join.
He had no obligation or reason to refuse the offer because some fans wouldn't approve.
He owes the club and the fans nothing beyond effort and application.

Is he good enough?
No, but all the cards are in his pocket.

Currently, I would say a loan with a call-back option would be best for January as United are short in that department, even without the injury issues of Varane and Shaw.

As for summer 2024, United will still be in the same pickle. Maguire will want a payoff which, while it winds me up that United have got themselves so stuck in this hole, he is well within his rights to demand. This payoff figure will again likely be greater than what the club will be prepared to offer and, given this and the reality that there'll be less interest, we might well be stuck with him until he winds down the contract in 2025.

While that might be considered wasting the £80m fee, it could be worse.
I mean, Woodward would offer him a new contract, would he not?

We all just need to accept that Maguire is still here and still has a place in ten Hag's squad.
If just one of Jones, Bailly, Tuanzebe and Mengi were able to offer more to the squad on a consistent basis then perhaps things would be different, but the reality is that the former 2 were kept at the club for far too long by Woodward who never quite understood that the real-time value of a footballer (the person, not the brand) is wholly intangible and quite simply does not translate well to the style of asset investment/ management or financial expertise upon which he built his career.
I'm certainly no financial expert, but even this dizzy plank can see that Woodward has left a legacy that is still such a hindrance.

Maguire perfectly represents this legacy and might well stick around for another 2 years - that's two more years of the Woodward effect.
Add to this that Sancho could well do the same for 3 years - that'll be three years of the Woodward effect.

We will see more of Maguire and he will continue to look out of his depth, we just need to accept that reality and get on with it.

16.) 13 Sep 2023 15:20:43
He is entitled to reject the move to WH, but fans are entitled to their opinion and to boo him if he doesn't perform, and he doesn't.

17.) 13 Sep 2023 15:28:00
Maguire will have been with us for 4 years at the end of this year. He will have one year left on his contract. Based on a reported £80m basic transfer fee, his value will be down to around £16m. We'll still be committed to one year of wages. I think there's likely to be a deal to be had around those figures, i.e somewhere in the region of £16-£20m net of wage compensation.

He's clearly not good enough for a top team, but I will say this for him, he never disses the team or the manager in public. unless someone knows different?

18.) 13 Sep 2023 16:24:36
I thought Maguire would be off in the summer, even after the West Ham deal didn't go through. Alas we had an injury crisis in defence and he was kept for cover.

Southgate is doing him no favours whatsoever. It's clear to everyone the player needs to be taken out of the spotlight. Picking him for England while he's not playing, and in such bad form when he does play, is not a decision a top level manager would take.

ETH clearly knows Maguire isn't good enough and has pushed him down the pecking order. I guess that's the difference between the two managers.

19.) 14 Sep 2023 01:33:31
The situation now is firmly sitting in the laps of McGuire and southgate.

Southgate continues to pick him even when not playing for his club, which frankly is ridiculous and sends the wrong message to other players. At international level many games are a cake walk, and other players could be building that experience. But also a clearer message from southgate might have led McGuire to go to westham, which could have reinvigorated his career.

McGuire is entitled to sit in the stands as 5th choice player and ruin another year of his career - remember we are into year 2 of this, he has already rotted on the bench for one year. He has a complete lack of ambition and personal pride and has allowed a few million to possibly ruin the end of his career. Will he get a good offer next year? I don't know that he will.

People saying man utd created this, what did we create? He's actually a decent 5th choice CB, which he will be useful for us this season. Maybe we couldn't have for amrabat if we completed the mcguire/ todibo deal, and I am certain amrabat is more important to us for this season.

20.) 14 Sep 2023 08:56:32
Dodgy

He is 30 years old and his days of playing for a top level team or even national team are coming to an end. To make a move to lesser team just to play more often and take 40% to 50% cut in earnings is easy to say for us fans but not if you are in his shoes.

Factor in family, kids, social network and friends, schools I don't think the move in his eyes is that important unless it makes financial sense.

Anyways and he is staying till next summer imo and might as well support our player anytime he is played. We might be recruiting academy guys or CM to play in defense if we have a couple more injuries. fingers crossed.

12 Aug 2023 04:46:19
Question for Ed002, if you're around.

Is the club still planning to announce their decision on the Greenwood situation before the Wolves game?

With two £100m transfers seemingly set to be announced in the coming day or two, now seems like an excellent time to announce it if they do plan on reintegrating him into the squad, as between Kane, Caicedo, and the start of the season, one suspects the news would be buried pretty quickly.

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea but it would be a distraction.}

1.) 12 Aug 2023 13:30:49
Either way this decision needed to be taken a while ago. Not sure why they’re dragging this one out.

2.) 12 Aug 2023 16:44:18
Eric, it's dragging out because the club don't want to cut loose a multimillion pound asset. However, the crime he was accused and the way it was so publicly reported, along with images and a voice recording means that it is a very sensitive subject. There are people at the club whose opinions need to be taken into account, the opinions of sponsors need to be considered, the opinions of fans and the potential for fan backlash needs to be considered.

This is by no means an easy decision, and it shouldn't be rushed.

I'd also be stunned if anything was said hours before our first game of the season. I can't imagine the manager would be thankful for the distraction and disruption that would cause to his match preparations. Maybe after the game, or the following day. Get it out the way before the Spurs game and cause as little disruption as possible.

3.) 12 Aug 2023 17:13:18
Looks like talk of protests over it have surprised people in the club. Not quite sure what they were expecting. At some point they just need to make a decision and move forward. This is clearly one decision that it is impossible to please everyone.

4.) 13 Aug 2023 02:35:31
Thanks for taking the time to reply! Appreciate the answer.

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14 Apr 2024 16:11:53
Shappy’s right. We should be looking to sign players who are currently playing for teams with no tactical set up. That way, they can slot right in. Am fed up of this square pegs for round holes approach. We need players who can perform for a tactically naive manager.

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03 Feb 2024 01:36:01
Ahmad. That’s kind of the point. He hasn’t played anywhere near enough first team football to ascertain what he’s truly capable of. He’s been given 225 minutes in the league in the eighteen months or so since Ten Haag came in, which averages out to a little over 15 minutes per appearance. How exactly is a player supposed to build up any kind of consistency or run of form under those circumstances? It’s a similar story with players like Diallo and Bayindir (though obviously to a lesser extent given that neither spent last season at the club) .

If we were fighting for the title and all of his preferred 11 were pulling their weight, I’d perhaps understand Ten Haag not rotating, but given his decision to persist with a winger who has provided just one goal and one assist in over 22 hours of football this season (both of which came against League 2 opposition) and a keeper who single-handedly cost us our place in the Champions League knockout stages and god knows how many points in the league, it’s difficult not to feel a little sorry for some of these players.

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02 Feb 2024 15:37:30
It’s an issue that certainly predates Ten Haag, but one that he’s made even worse by constantly picking his favorites no matter how poorly they perform. How Anthony and Onana are still getting minutes (let alone starts) is mind boggling, so it’s easy to see how younger players who play in their positions could become disillusioned with life at the club.

I suppose you could argue that the lack of minutes for younger players is down to poor results, as if we were able to comfortably kill games off by the sixty minute mark we could afford to make changes and give some of the younger players a chance. At this point, though, the season is pretty much over, so I really don’t see what we have to lose by mixing things up a little. It’s hard to imagine the performances getting much worse.

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02 Feb 2024 12:39:59
There are plenty of players who have left the club for free (or nominal amounts) over the past few seasons who could have commanded a pretty decent transfer fee had we gotten them onto senior contracts and allowed them to prove themselves on loan at an EPL or Championship club. Whether any of them would have actually made it at Manchester United is another matter entirely, but given that we are currently shackled by FFP limitations, being able to generate income by selling academy products like most other big clubs do would presumably make a massive difference.

Besides. It only takes one. Just look at Pogba. We ended up spending almost a hundred million to resign him just a few seasons after letting him leave for nothing. His return didn’t go as planned, but he definitely made us regret his first departure during his first few seasons at Juve.

This kind of thing will probably also influence talented young players who are considering whether or not to join our academy. Based on some of Ed002’s comments, it seems as though a lot of our young players end up leaving because we are unable to provide them with a clear roadmap as to how they are going to be developed and how they are (eventually) going to slot into the first team. Why would a player join our academy over City’s or Liverpool’s knowing that they too will probably find themselves in the same situation somewhere further down the road? Of course, our terrible facilities and god awful performances on the pitch probably serve as a pretty strong deterrent as well!

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16 Apr 2024 10:41:39
Ken. A lot of people over on the Liverpool page are now saying that Klopp isn’t good enough tactically and that it’s time for a new manager. His substitutions are bad and it’s his fault that the strikers aren’t putting their chances away.

I think a big part of this is down to them trying to take the sting out of his departure and agree that his legacy will remain intact regardless of how the rest of the season goes, but the general tone over there is pretty negative considering they’re only two points off first place and still have a chance of winning a treble (I don’t think they’ll turn things around in Italy, but wouldn’t bet against it) .

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16 Apr 2024 10:11:28
Ork. Greenwood was arrested during Rangnick’s tenure, not Ten Haag’s. The lad was never once available for the Dutch disaster, so not like he suddenly had to adapt his non-existent strategy because of the loss. Even if he did, Ragnick also had to deal with this issue.

Ronaldo came in under Ole, who was then forced to find a way to shoehorn him into the starting eleven. The discontent and disruption caused by Ronaldo’s arrival cost Ole his job, so it seems fair to say that he had to deal with this issue. Ten Haag actually had a chance to solve the problem right after he got started, but opted to block Ronaldo’s departure, thus creating an even bigger for himself further down the line.

The Sancho issue was another one caused by Ten Haag. None of his predecessors had to deal with Sancho specifically, but we’ve had our fair share of problematic players over the years. Pogba and Di Maria immediately spring to mind. The former was seemingly backed over Jose, so again Ten Haag actually had it easy when compared to some of those who came before him.

As for recruitment, Ten Haag has been backed more than any of our managers since SAF left. By all accounts, most of our signings have been his choices, and although we are currently dealing with financial constraints that have left us thin in certain parts of the pitch, that’s in large down to us overspending on Ten Haag’s terrible targets. Had he not been too stubborn to work with Ragnick (who had identified plenty of cheaper and better players than the dross we’ve signed under Ten Haag) we wouldn’t be in this mess.

The only one talking “clag” here is you, fella.

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05 Apr 2024 17:51:59
With Evans and Maguire at the back, I fear the worst.

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03 Apr 2024 01:37:26
I asked a psychologist and they said you were talking nonsense. Stopped reading after that.

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03 Feb 2024 01:37:26
Agreed. Shaw coming back has made a huge difference.