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06 May 2018 10:46:05
Seen Jose on Motd more or less write off rashford and martial? Can't believe he doesn't like them. Think they may be another couple of players who come back to bite him on the ass. I'd be happy with either of them signing for us.

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1.) 06 May 2018 12:03:57
don't think he is writing them off just pushing for a response. They were both shocking against Brighton but that comes with inexperience and youth. Both need to be more consistent but I am sure that will come with time and experience. I am a fan of both but there comes a point where players have to take responsibility for their own career. Cannot be blaming the manager all the time. I expect rashford to stay but not sure about martial. Martial used to be one of my favourite players but that way he struts around the pitch is infuriating. If he leaves now I will not be as opposed to it than i was at the beginning of the season. Manager's tactics are to blame somewhat. But some of our players are not as good as we think, nor do they have the right mentality. Mentality is so important.


2.) 06 May 2018 15:31:07
Park his push as you call it seems to be his default response to every loss. How long before players start pushing back?


3.) 06 May 2018 15:34:23
When was the last time either of those players had a good game? So i really don't care if either of them or half the team that lost to Brighton are pushed out.


4.) 06 May 2018 15:39:00
UA either you don't watch us play or have lost your memory, just go watch the Arsenal game that happened last week and see how martial performed.


5.) 06 May 2018 15:39:21
CSM I appreciate what you mean and I agree Jose seems to be doing it a lot. As I have said, both are to blame but if you look at these poor losses there is similarity that we have been out fought and our desires by the opposition. I’m sorry but that is down to the players. To not put in the effort or desire is unacceptable for me. Not being able to pass the ball 5 yards is down to the players not the manager. Whilst I don’t think we will win the league under Jose, I would back him for his final year and then look for the next manager. I’m not his biggest supporter but there are a lot of players that I have lost patience with and it’s time to be ruthless and show them the door. You have to either back the manager fully or get rid of him. Whether I believe it’s the right decision or not, clearly the board are going to back Jose and if so then they have to buy and sell who he wants. It’s a nice change from the board not really fully backing Moyes or lvg before, and rightly so may I add. The players cannot have too much power otherwise we will end up like Chelsea. To reiterate, I don’t condone Jose digging out his players but Friday was a situation where they fully deserved the criticism they received from him. Some of the players need a rocket up the arse and to stop being snow flakes. Just the way I see it but I can see where you are coming from mate.


6.) 06 May 2018 15:55:14
I disagree park, our consistency for me is a mourinho problem. If you look at our general style of play you will find we have no real distinct style. Mourinho football depends mostly on determination and hardwork far more than klopp's or guardiola's who are more tactical especially in offense.

The problem with this style is with no motivation workrate normally goes down that is as true of footballers as it is of any other field and right now we have nothing to play for in the league.

I agree at times players need to be criticized but why consistently do it Infront of media, how many times did fergie is his entire career single out players Infront of media and how many times has mourinho done it this season just compare. Especially when there is no reason to do it given there is nothing to gain from it given the number of matches remaining.


7.) 06 May 2018 16:04:14
I just hope some of the cardboard cut outs masquerading as Manchester United footballers are watching the City celebrations and feeling that tad little bit better about themselves. Love Utd, dislike this team.


8.) 06 May 2018 16:35:10
Fair enough CSM I get your point. Style of play is a problem for me. As are tactics. But for me there are too many average players in this squad in crucial areas. We are not controlling the midfield and our wing back play is atrocious. Defence is a problem with bailly injured and not sure why lindelof isn’t given a run of games. Jose is at fault there. But my opinion is Jose couldn’t have done a huge amount more with this team if they are not putting the effort in. Yes his job to motivate but once they step over that white line it’s their job to execute the plan. You cannot tell me that it’s jose’s Fault if they cannot pass five yards or make runs beyond the last man. Manager deserves criticism when he needs to improve. But the players should not be immune to criticism from the manager. I’m sick of the attitude of some of these players and I back the manager to stick it to them because the majority are a bunch of overpaid idiots. It’s the press narrative attack Jose when he criticises his players. He was very entitled to do so on Friday.


9.) 06 May 2018 17:39:18
I didn't notice Mata in that Brighton game - he always gets a pass because he is such a nice bloke. However as he is experienced I'd expect him to be doing more in games like that, but the easy option is to attack Rashford and Martial (who deserve a slating), but it's always the easy option with this manager and some fans.

Sanchez has been just as bad as those two for several games on the spin as well. He deservedly got hammered for it, but the problem is deeper than players not performing when given a chance.

What has Mata done this season? Fellaini was absolutely horrendous and Pogba yet again did next to nothing. All meant to be reliable, experienced, etc, much more so than the two real youngsters.


10.) 06 May 2018 17:40:16
Sorry CSM, but i disagree. I get from your posts that you would be celebrating the day Jose walks out the door at Old Trafford but do you think the players what they should be doing? Do they deserve to don the shirt of United? Bar may be 3 or let's say 5 players out of the entire squad would you keep them if you were incharge? They are under performing. While it may be down to the manager on the style of play ( which we all knew when Jose was signed) the level of performances, the adrenaline and the motivation has to be the players. They are not doing enough to deserve to be at OT. Till the day manager is here, we back him and not the players lest we end up like Chelsea.


11.) 06 May 2018 18:10:56
UA now you are shifting goalposts given your when did they last play well point turned out to be incorrect.

Against City 2nd half, against Chelsea against Tottenham in semis, these players have shown that they can perform, can mourinho get them doing it consistently is the question.

Mourinho moans about rashford and martial not being good enough strikers which is why we lost to Brighton. Why then did we lose to westbrom lukaku played that one not those 2, why did it take until stoppage time to beat Arsenal's B team, again neither of the 2 started that one either.

He talks about our poor defense with his fanboys complaining about Jones and Smalling not being good enough, last I checked he signed 2 cb's neither of whom he has picked do Smalling and Jones force him to pick them?

He talks about utd not being a good enough team, guess what, a team with lorius karius, Jordan Henderson, Gini wijnaldum, Dejan lovren and James milner is in the Champions league final, so the poor team holding back mourinho excuse doesn't work either.

Mourinho has spent 300mn can't play decent football and is not winning us the league or CL. He is a man whose tactics are outdated and his motivation skills seem to have evaporated. You talk about players not being good enough but a manager must improve what he has atleast or are now supposed to buy 11 ready made players for him. Fergie excelled at getting the best out of average players, mourinho has managed to do the opposite. Pogba has regressed, same with rashford, name me one player who you can say mourinho has improved.

There are players who need to sold but when manager benches his own 70mn cb's for Jones and Smalling and can't get performances out of his 90mn mf and a fw who earns 500k a week it isn't the players who are at fault.


12.) 06 May 2018 18:31:54
We will have to agree to disagree on this. For me its the players who need to kick the ball on the field so they should be responsible, for you its simply Jose's fault if it rains in Manchester.


13.) 06 May 2018 18:59:22
Good points beast I agree the experienced players have not been consistent enough and that’s been a problem.

CSM things don’t have to be black or white. They can, and often are grey. Our fanbase is so split with people who are Jose F. C. and those who are anti-Jose/ martial F. C. not saying you are just saying that things aren’t really bad neither are they really good. Sacking Jose won’t exactly make things all hunky dory. Likewise he should be criticised for his tactics or style of play. What I’m saying is that you clearly dislike him and that’s your prerogative to. But you cannot solely blame him for the issues and criticise him when he sticks the boot into the players. Fergie did it and other managers do as well. But because it is Jose and you dislike him it’s coming across as a bit of an agenda. For me the players are the ones that need to shoulder the blame in the recents defeats against Brighton and West Brom. And Jose criticising them was completely valid. There are a lot of players who have been coasting too long and if he cannot dig them out then who can? Cannot always put an arm around them and hope they work. Wenger has been doing it for years and look where he has ended up. Appreciate Jose does deflect and not take responsibility against Sevilla for example. But the players deserved it after Brighton. I expect a response against West Ham.


14.) 06 May 2018 19:36:27
Sorry for late post but i can see where jose is coming from, after fridays performance i can see why jose doesn’t trust either, both either tried too hard or aren’t mature enough because both ran down blind alleys and failed with the final pass, both have potential but soon or later potential but sooner or later they have to start delivering consistently, i rate both highly but the prem is unforgiving and we can only accept it for so long, Lukaku touch is like he’s trapping a bag of cement ( cheers Brian clough) but he delivers consistently.


15.) 06 May 2018 21:09:25
I think the whole do you blame players or the manager thing needs consistency if you feel it's not the managers fault when players performance or attitude are poor as he's not out on the pitch and can't be held accountable when they cross the line that's fine but why praise him when performance and attitude is good when you feel it was nothing to do with him when it wasn't.
To me the buck stops with the manager good or bad . I don't like the way he has us playing most of the time but we are second and in a cup final and as I say buck stops with the manager so to me that's worthy of another chance to make a title challenge . I may like others suspect we are as likely to slip back as keep going forward but that hasn't happened yet . If we do well next year IL praise the manager if we don't IL hold him accountable what I won't do is say he's great when we win but it's the players fault when we lose and nothing to do with him .


16.) 07 May 2018 06:03:29
Park the reason I want mourinho gone isn't because I dislike him, I was very happy when we signed him, you can check my posts of the time if you want but 2 years down the line I don't think he has it in him to do this job.

The reason i want him gone is because he will have his eventual meltdown in future and we will fall of a cliff just like Chelsea did, the new manager then will not only have to pickup the pieces but also hit the ground running due to the adidas clause, we could avoid that if we replace Mourinho now and give the new manager a bedding in season given our situation right now.

I agree changing managers won't suddenly turn things around but it will improve us over atleast medium term, as klopp is showing us a good manager gets his team playing well and getting results mourinho doesn't inspire the same confidence for me.

About his man management, again I don't care if he criticizes the players, do you think fergie would not be bringing his hairdryer out after a loss. The problem is constant humiliation of the players in media, history shows it doesn't end well for mourinho yet he is still doing it and we will see a Chelsea repeat because of his own antics.

Shaw plays well, mourinho is the brain and shaw is just the body. Shaw plays badly he is rubbish. Rashford plays well, he is great and mourinho is greater because he has given him minutes to play, rash plays badly, that is the reason he never starts ahead of lukaku. So for everything good mourinho wants credit for everything bad mourinho says he isn't at fault, how long before players say enough?

About players as I said some need to be replaced but it is a decent team. His 500k man has had a grand total of 2 good games excluding his debut against the lower league team, his 90mn signing blows hot and cold and his agent tried to engineer a move away from utd in Jan given mourinho's treatment of him. Our 2 young forwards have not improved under mourinho in 2 years, mourinho plays turgid football that has us playing 11 behind the ball yet ddg routinely needs to make world class saves to keep us from losing. That isn't good enough and when most of your team is underperforming and inconsistent it isn't practical to replace 10 players rather we need to replace the man at the helm for me.

He has done some good things, his signings if managed properly will be big successes for us, the Europa league, League cup and hopefully fa cup are great additions to our trophy cabinet but is he going to win the league, I don't think so. Is he going to win the CL again highly unlikely and for the money he has spent and wants to spend it isn't a good enough return.


17.) 07 May 2018 06:39:30
For those that blame the players, what is your stance on Moyes and LvG? We have a better squad now than we had under either of them. So were they unfairly dismissed as it was really just the players fault?


18.) 07 May 2018 09:56:00
Can anyone imagine what would happen to a player who completely disregarded Jose's orders? So how can he say they are the masters of complication after a recent game. If they were doing their own thing they would have been attacking. It takes us 10-15 passes just to get out of our half, when other teams go from defence to attack in 3 or 4! Jose is outdated and all he has improved is our results. Our football stinks. I don't get any joy from watching us any more. I must be getting like Jose as I have enjoyed the big wins only as results, not from our play. Pep, Poch and Klopp have found a way to excite and get results, why can't Jose?


 

 

 

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21 May 2018 22:08:19
Evening guys. Ok your all still having your season inquisition and are down in the dumps so hopefully I can cheer you up👍. Only a bit of banter like. There are stalls set up all round the city selling flags banners etc for the weekend it's buzzing down here ( u been there u know what I mean) anyways I stopped at one for a couple of flags for van windows😉 and they had the Man Utd dvd 17/18 top ten throw ins 🤣🤣🤣.

scouse john L8

1.) 21 May 2018 22:20:38
Good luck for the weekend. If you don't win it just think. You would have had a worse season than us.


2.) 21 May 2018 22:20:46
Come back to us when you win the premiership and we will talk then.


3.) 21 May 2018 22:44:16
Emojis galore, indecipherable run on sentences and the punctuation of a child. If I could decipher your post I might be able to reply, but, as it is, it may as well be written in hieroglyphics.


4.) 22 May 2018 06:28:06
I thought it was funny!


5.) 22 May 2018 07:30:05
That old chestnut, the 10 greatest throw ins, well used in the eighties and it was a yearbook joke then, usually trotted out after Liverpool won a league title. Not heard it since.


6.) 22 May 2018 12:45:27
Cmon where’s your sense of humour. Supasub you’re right we will of had worse season points wise but our football has been well more fun than yours. Leahy I will come back next week with 6 times😉👌 RWWD you just sound like a out of work southern school teacher talk about the grammar not the content typical. Hoping Ronnie can save your season ten years after he left. 🤦🏻‍♂️.


 

 

31 Oct 2016 07:47:04
Hey folks why do you look long term with Jose? He is a 3 season wonder, so far, are you just expecting him to get you half decent again then replace him or do you actually think he will be kept on longer? To me it smacks of desperation from you. I honestly think if he said give him half a billion in January you'd jump at it? An at what cost? He's already stifling martial and rashfords progress. I don't think it will go beyond 3 years his style of play for one ( when have you ever seen 11 mancs behind the ball? Other than the Howard Webb Penalty gift in the 98th min 👍) nah for me it won't work It's the 1st time he has gone to a club that was bigger than him. i don't think your board will let him in the changies in a wheelie bin if he gets banned do you? 3 seasons tops.

scouse john L8

1.) 31 Oct 2016 08:38:25
Long term great thanks john. Titles at home and in Europe suggest more than a 3 season wonder. Martial has been out of form and injured and clearly by playing Rashford week after week he's not stifling him. I see us already playing better football and things will no doubt improve results wise. going to need to do better to wind people up then a mumbo jumbo sensless post john. I'd think you'd be more bothered bout your own teams dodgy defence than united, par for the course tho scousers being obsessed with the most successful team in England I suppose.


2.) 31 Oct 2016 08:43:39
How long until Klopp loses confidence in his ability and Liverpool slide down the table like Dortmund did?


3.) 31 Oct 2016 08:58:49
I understand football tribalism where opposition fans come on here and mock a teams poor league position or bad result on the weekend.

But to actually care about the long term running of a rival club is hilarious.

Most united fans don't even know what will happen next week regarding the club let alone in the next 3 years.


4.) 31 Oct 2016 09:50:24
Next week utd fans will be getting a collection together to hire a plane with baner of 'JOSE OUT' to fly over old trafford when they have dropped points to Swansea at the weekend and move even closer to relegation places.
Jose will blame the resident cat for taken a dump in his car park space for the poor run of results.
Never mind tho, Jose always wins the league in his second year at a club. It'll just be the championship he will be winning👌.


5.) 31 Oct 2016 10:57:05
JRC08 It is easy to form an opinion especially about a rival club due to poor run of form but what you have failed to understand is that it's poverty of sense of judgement to conclude without gathering enough data to that will suffice you to judge. It's just 10 games and you have written our team off the title?
I just hope you wouldn't hurt your self with this optimism of yours. It's not over for us until it's over. That is the spirit.


6.) 31 Oct 2016 11:32:54
You're right Yokoman I shouldn't write you off after 10 games. I apologize! When would you like me to come back and do that? Another 5/ 10 games?
If you honestly think you will mount a title challenge this year with the dross your ( not so special one ) at the helm has you playing then I think you've been on the spirits lad.
He will drag you down like he did last year with Chelsea, who by the way have the same team this year and look to be hitting stride again. Nobody wants to play for Jose anymore and it will show with utd players soon enough.
Keep your chins up tho!


7.) 31 Oct 2016 11:35:47
Yokoman

you do realise that JRC has absolutely no understanding of what you have just said.


8.) 31 Oct 2016 11:52:12
Evenzidaneratesscholes

Understood every word of it. What makes you think I didn't?
I'm almost certain this is called a banter site but I might be wrong.

{Ed007's Note - You're not seriously trying to pass your honking patter off as banter are you? Are the English school's on holiday this week?}


9.) 31 Oct 2016 12:23:14
Ed007,
Left school lang time ago and it certainly wizna an English een either.

{Ed007's Note - Oh God, please don't tell me you're Scottish, that makes it even worse!}


10.) 31 Oct 2016 12:42:58
Ed007,
Sure am. Watched your lot at pittodrie on sat. Lucky to get the win in the end. Always going to be difficult against Celtic but when Scott Brown was running the game instead of the ref then even more so. Credit to the away fans for bringing some atmosphere tho.

{Ed007's Note - Ah I see, that explains a lot, people from Aberdeen aren't exactly well known for their sense of humour.
I'm sure McInnes will do everything he can to make sure HIS team get second place in the league - and Aberdeen getting third will do him too.}


11.) 31 Oct 2016 13:01:38
Ed007,
Hahaha. You saying McInnes isn't dedicated to the Aberdeen cause? Tut tut. 😜.

{Ed007's Note -


12.) 31 Oct 2016 15:03:52
Scouse whatever your name, or are you Scottish or are you confused? One question, what did the mighty Liverpool do against Burnley? Lost 2 nil. That was away and I'm sure you'll have more excuses
We're going through a bad time in front of goal, but if you're telling us that 37 shots is playing unattractive football then it shows how deluded you lot are.
Keep up the banter, I'm sure it's your year this year.


13.) 31 Oct 2016 15:19:42
schmid he is a liverpool fan being delusional is a requirement to be a liverpool fan.


14.) 31 Oct 2016 16:11:08
Schmid mine was a legit question. Where has Jose managed for more than 3 seasons? So in that 3rd season when the players get p*ssed off with him or his style gets found out ( like Chelsea an real) will he still be at your club? Harping on about shots at goal I don't care how you lot play. An all that 26 years is pot kettle fire lad ( or you wanna them cockney mancs who only started supporting in 99? I started watching footy whe the Doc was your manager. Don't think that your special supporters you go threw managers like no ones business too. You touched lucky with fergie. He was a gonner too almost. I've forgot more than you'l ever know! Moyes your not worth my breath!


15.) 31 Oct 2016 19:32:04
Was reading your last reply SKL8, and couldn't help imagining the awful, fingers down a blackboard scouse accent, that probably goes along with it. You missed out a few 'eeeers' and 'ya knows' though. I can picture your curly hair and shell suit now. Classy!


16.) 31 Oct 2016 19:34:52
Scouse John, so now you know what 26 years is like? I went through Atkinson from the start, then we had Fergie, he almost got sacked but built a dynasty like Shankley and Paisley. You lot were good in the 70's and 80's, but we ruled after. To come here and gloat at out results with your last 26 years of trophies is a laugh, just like we couldn't after the FA Cup in 1990. WE WILL RISE AGAIN, whether you lot like it or not.


17.) 31 Oct 2016 19:48:02
That last post sounds like you got more drunk as you were typing your post. Teachers training day today?


18.) 31 Oct 2016 22:17:35
ScousejohnL8 - payhetic post by a sour scouser!

Keep em coming because they make us laugh!


19.) 01 Nov 2016 00:24:01
Shano I'm not gloating ( nothing to gloat about yet) I was interested to see if you lot thought Jose would still be there in 3 years given his track record. I think a lot of you are shocked by the lack of immediate progress (maybe not you) being made? I think Jose is shocked himself. Why was mata not good enough for him at Chelsea but he's good enough now for you? I'm taking nothing for granted I'm not that daft 😉 And no doubt you will rise again someday i don't think it will come to soon tho as I reckon pep will build a dynasty with city's wealth an his pull. I even think conte could get 1 or 2 for Chelsea before you's get your next. Don't know what we will add to that mix ( yet) .


 

 

29 Oct 2016 10:11:53
Hey mancs how goes it😉 Wind ups aside do any of you have a link to the manc who got a Liverpool tattoo for that little girls charity? Thanks.

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17 Oct 2016 21:58:05
Get used to that folks. Even whiskey nose couldn't watch. Jose's on a stick football. Counted 7 in your back line more than once. Now you know why we hate him .

scouse john L8

{Ed025's Note - your bitter and twisted john, hate has no place on this site and in life in general..get a grip lad and grow up..


1.) 17 Oct 2016 22:16:51
Hear hear Ed025. Bitter people are childish. Good point for United. Stop being bitter Liverpool fans. We save this for the City fans.


2.) 17 Oct 2016 22:22:47
Bow your head boy! Embarrassing post.


3.) 17 Oct 2016 22:43:37
Haha cheering that point eh ed.

{Ed025's Note - not really john, but being from liverpool 8 myself i expect better from people there mate..


4.) 17 Oct 2016 23:40:42
After harping for two weeks about the thrashing they would give us I understand their bitterness. What hurts them most is the realization that we are not pushovers and they aren't the Harlem globetrotters of football. They're just too gutted to admit it. Parked trains or not I'm delighted with the point. Eric bailly what a buy.


 

 

17 Oct 2016 08:02:35
Morning mancs. Just an update on tonight's game. Jose has asked your council can you use Olympic parade route for your open top bus should you beat us🤔.

scouse john L8

1.) 17 Oct 2016 08:27:33
Great
Thanks for the heads up.


2.) 17 Oct 2016 09:18:58
Wait what?!
You mean it's not your year this year?


3.) 17 Oct 2016 09:23:09
Poor attempt at banter.


4.) 17 Oct 2016 09:53:37
I thought Liverpool had that bus route fully booked for the 27 years.


5.) 17 Oct 2016 10:23:55
Can we borrow yours from the 2014 season? You know the one you never used.


 

 

 

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23 Jul 2018 19:46:28
Scouser alert🤦🏻‍♂️.
Think beast speaks some sense. The richest club in the country should be out there dealing there way out of the mess. I know some of you will say you finished 2nd and we won nothing. You’d be right but You be kidding yourselves too. Chelsea gave up, Arsenal reached the end of there cycle we couldn’t defend a lead ( hence big money vvd an alisson) and spurs well they was spurs, season too long for them. Also Mort your daft if you think TAA is crap. Wet behind the ears yes not crap.

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01 Jun 2018 23:31:04
Fat Sam is available 🤢 don’t think you would notice any difference if they swapped Jose for pulis.

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02 Oct 2018 16:03:11
Shaw I think everyone is loving it mate. Been boss since pre season.

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30 Sep 2018 20:59:42
No probs Ross seems we both have a history of missing out on the league for a quarter of a century 🤢. If we reach that perch I will keep my eyes open for you matey.

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29 Sep 2018 23:16:17
On the plus side you will probably get tonked by city and Chelsea then change manager in time to play and beat us 🤦🏻‍♂️.

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27 Sep 2018 22:28:42
Obviously ross pique, you forget the 26 years you never won the league. Must be one of them glory hunters no worries give it 5 years i'll speak to you on the city page when you change colours eh.

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31 Aug 2018 13:11:55
Carrier bag cup 🤣🤣.

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