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22 Mar 2024 12:27:08
Hi Eds

Is there any truth we are after Joao Gomez? I do like what I've seen of him could be a shrewd cm signing for the right price?

Tucker.

tucker

{Ed002's Note - Joao Gomes (CM) An alternate to CG for Spurs and a cheap option to Joao Neves for Manchester United.}


1.) 22 Mar 2024 22:10:02
Ed, do United still retain a strong interest in Joao Neves? Or is he ruled out due to the price tag? Also do you have any names for left back that the club may consider?

{Ed002's Note - Joao Neves (DM/CM) Discussed with Chelsea when meeting over another player as they were seeking a replacement for Loftus-Cheek. Potential Casemiro replacement for Manchester United and he will be first choice. Huge buy out clause and Benfica will not look to sell but recognise there will be growing interest. Seen as an option for Manchester City to replace Phillips. Versatile but falls over easily.

I have addressed the LB situation before.}


2.) 23 Mar 2024 12:39:43
Joao Neves is clearly a phenomenal talent. That said there are three reason's why I don't think he's the right signing for us this summer.

Firstly, his price. He will be close to or even north of 100m. Given how big a squad rebuild we have to do this summer I don't think we can justify signing anyone for that sort of fee. I also don't see spending huge fees on unproven players as something INEOS will be looking to do. I expect if they spend big it'll be on a player with EPL experience.

Secondly, I really don't see any top side as being likely to regularly line up with an 18 year old and a 19 year old at the heart of the midfield. Simply it's too much inexperience in the most vital area of the pitch. While the idea of Mainoo and Neves might to some sound like midfield is sorted for the next decade or more. The reality is that very few managers if any would regularly play two such inexperienced players together. Which makes me worry that if we signed Neves then he'd be competing with Mainoo to start each week rather than play along side him.

Finally, I'm not actually convinced that Mainoo and Neves would be as well balanced a midfield as you'd expect. At least not yet. Both players have a similar profile, complete, technical midfielders who can progress the ball through midfield and are also probably slightly better a little deeper rather than higher in midfield. Maybe Mainoo will develop into being slightly more box to box and maybe Neves will develop into being a deeper playmaker, but currently neither regularly play those roles.

Spending 100m and potentially blocking the pathway for our most promising youngster does not sound like great business, especially as the player we would be signing hasn't consistently played the role we would be signing him for.

Don't get me wrong, in my opinion Joao Neves will be a world class player. But I also think Mainoo will be. I also think that currently they are both best suited to playing the same role (box to box/ roaming playmaker) . I'd rather back the lad we have and sign someone who would act as a foil and get the best out of Mainoo.

The player I'd actually sign is Joao Neves's Benfica team mate Florentino Luis. He was the defensive foil that enabled Enzo Fernandez to look like one of the best midfielders in the world. We are seeing how Enzo has struggled to replicate that form at Chelsea despite having the excellent Moises Caicedo along side him. The issue with that Chelsea midfield for me is that Enzo and Caicedo are similar players. Both combative, and progressive midfielders. Neither are players who are happy to sit and shield the defence and act as the foil for their teammate. This is the same issue as England had with Lampard and Gerrard.
Since Enzo left benfica his place has been taken by the excellent Joao Neves. However, Neves is also benefitting from the quietly fantastic Florentino Luis. While Neves gets the credit for his all action displays, being able to be everywhere on the pitch, find the spaces to create chances for teammates and able to get into tackles and win the ball back. He is only able to play that way because of Florentino who is intelligently sitting and shielding the defence, knowing when to step up and when to drop off. Reading the game and filling in the gaps deeper in midfield that gives Neves the licence to roam and show off his well rounded skillset. Just as he did for Enzo before Neves.

Florentino reads the game well, knows how to move to fill in gaps and shield the defence, has great technique, is press resistant, great in the tackle, but also able to take the ball off the defence, turn and play an intelligent and accurate pass forward to progress the play. He very much reminds me of Carrick, although Florentino doesn't hit those long switches of play quite as often (this might be a tactical thing as he is quite able to do so), while he's a bit stronger in the tackle, slightly more aggressive than Carrick was. He turns 25 at the start of next season and is hitting his prime, he has the experience to guide a young Mainoo through games, much like he is helping a young Neves right now.

Unfortunately he won't be cheap, but I'd expect Benfica might be a little more open to selling him rather than Neves, as such he would be cheaper than his midfield teammate. I also think he'd be the perfect player to unlock Mainoo while also giving our defence the protection it needs.

No idea if the club is interested in him, but for me he is the best and obvious choice to bring our midfield into the modern era and would be able to form a great and in my opinion title winning midfield with Mainoo for the next 5-6 years.


3.) 23 Mar 2024 12:19:13
Ok thanks Ed, I’ve found a post where you say right back is more of a priority and that it could be the case we sign someone who can cover both sides.

{Ed002's Note - The club are scouting many defenders still.}


4.) 23 Mar 2024 14:16:50
Surprised the name Mats Wieffer hasn't come into the mix for a few reasons.


5.) 23 Mar 2024 15:30:00
SHAPPY, IT worked for Scholes and keane, both good at 6 and 8,


6.) 23 Mar 2024 15:12:30
Thank you for the detailed info Ed002,- really appreciated and new positive info about United’s targets always brightens the day.

Woukd you be good enough to indicate if United would be looking at Neves primarily as a DM rather than a CM - or the other way round? If as a CM, do you think United will be looking at a DM as well, such as Leverkusen’s Palacios, Everton’s Onana or even Wolves’s Gomes?

Or might United even want 2 x DM/ CM combined players to give flexibility?

Thanks for any info you can reveal.

{Ed002's Note - They will be looking at him as a versatile addition. Manchester United know that Palacios is not for sale, Onana is down the list for them and Gomes would be a cheap alternative to Joao Neves for Manchester United.}


7.) 23 Mar 2024 15:42:33
Thank you very much for the swift reply Ed002!


8.) 23 Mar 2024 16:01:31
MancMan, firstly that was a very different time. Mid-table sides in the EPL didn't have the kind of quality players that they do now. We are talking about it working 25 years ago now. Back then you could play with two strikers and two wingers and not leave your midfield exposed. You just can't do that now. Very few teams play with a strike duo, and those that do don't play with wingers.

Secondly, at that time I wouldn't have called Scholes a well rounded midfielder, defensively off the ball he wasn't great. It worked because Keane sacrificed parts of his game (going forward and being a scoring threat) to facilitate Scholes. Keane rightly accepted Scholes was a bigger threat in the final third, which meant it was better for the team that he stay deeper and allow Scholes more freedom. That was one of the great things about Keane, he was willing to sacrifice his personal glory for the team. He'd rather the team win 5-0 and he didn't score than draw 3-3 and he scored a couple of goals.

For Mainoo and Neves to work one of them would probably have to make that same sacrifice, be prepared to limit part of their game to be the foil for the other one to make the most of their talents.

I'm not sure I'd want to take a 100m gamble on a modern day footballer to be willing to sacrifice personal glory for the team.


9.) 23 Mar 2024 16:50:55
Shappy, my point about Scholes and Keane plus Butt as well was that they had similar skills, good positional sense, technically sound and good passing plus they worked as a partnership. At times Keane might have sacrificed some of his attacking game but he popped up on the edge of the opposition box often enough.

I'm not saying you are wrong in your analysis but two similar box to box players can work well together if they are intelligent and skillful footballers.


10.) 23 Mar 2024 19:34:23
MancMan, how many other examples can you name? Its very rare in football to have two players primarily doing the same job within a team. You tend to have a role and a part to play, you stick to that and do it well then the team will play well.

The problem with having two similar box o box type midfielders is in order for them to make the right decision they need to know what the other is doing at that moment.

You can't break forward if your midfield partner has already started to break forward, likewise do you drop deep or track a runner? Will you get in the way of your midfield teammate.

In order to make this type of system work you need two very intelligent, quick thinking players who can form a near telepathic understanding of each other. Even then mistakes will happen and the team can become overexposed.


11.) 23 Mar 2024 16:19:48
Thank you for all the answers about midfield today Ed092!

One last cheeky request for info though if you’re able to:

Any interest from United in Sporting’s Morten Hjulmand?

{Ed002's Note - Morten Hjulmand (DM/CM) Arrived from Lecce in the summer of 2023 - not available unless an offer that meets his huge release clause is made - and even then the player may not be interested in a move so soon after joinung. Arsenal are looking at Elneny and Jorginho leaving as Free Agents in the summer and have sent scouts. He is also seen as an option for Manchester United but currently not first choice. Spurs interest has gone. Barcelona may propose some horse trading.}


12.) 23 Mar 2024 22:59:47
Thank you so much for all the detailed info today Ed002 - very much appreciated, thank you.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}


 

 

19 Jun 2013 03:59:15
Went to Old Trafford yesterday and wanted to buy a home kit with Valencia #7 on it only to be advised by staff that I should wait as it looks like Valencia won't be waering no 7 next year? Take that as you will. I presume it measn Valencia will be sold rather than us buy an iconic no 7.

tucker

tucker

1.) If true, fair enough but I saw a few things on tw****r saying the same stuff so I doubt this is true.


2.) If that's true, I know everyone will expect someone like Thaigo, or A and other potential newcomer to get the infamous shirt.

Personally, and it might be controversial, I would like to see Kagawa get the #7. The lad is very talented, bags of flair, applies himself in the right way (role model) and I personally think with his personality he'll thrive with the responsibility of taking on the shirt.

Thoughts?

WF Red Devil


3.) Odd that as you can still order a shirt with his name along with number 7 on the back.
Also why would someone in the store know about our possible deals before others?
One bad season doesn't mean hell be sold. Don't forget he also played right back due to injuries.
I can think of 4 other players I'd get rig of before him

Melwing28


4.) Great post Tucker. Its posts like this, that make this a great site. Not the usual, Eds do you know this guy or Eds blah blah blah,

Admiral


5.) Why would you want Valencia on your back?

Sydney!


6.) Could it be possible that Valencia could wearing the number 2 jersey
rock the red


7.) I called the Megastore this morning to check if this is actually true.
They said they have not advised anyone not to buy a kit with Valencia 7 on the back, that they have no idea where this rumour has come from!
furthermore, they insisted that they would not know about a transfer before anyone else did!

Mattchester United


8.) Never mind. we are still waiting for 2 guys in black suit entering old trefford rumour.

Rodio17


9.) Good news in my opinion. The shirt has been devalued enough by giving it to stupid long punts already. Owen we knew was past it. Valencia may have had a good season a few years ago, but its clear he was at the top of his game at that time, and he still wasnt world class.

uniteds 7 deserves more respect. We have van persie in the squad, I don't see why we didn't give it to him last year.


10.) Funny that the Megastore at OT was still selling them this morning when I got my lads RVP one.


11.) Maybe they are giving it to Rooney? a sign to tell him he is valued at the club? just a thought


12.) Are we honestly meant to believe that you tried to order a shirt with Valencia's name on the back yesterday?

I do hope that Thiago and Strootman deals are completed. Think that would be 2 first class additions to our squad and would change our dynamic as the wingers haven't been cutting it. With kagawa, Carrick and those 2 we'd be a tidy unit with some steel in the middle.


13.) Smells like utter bull as it is a shop selling merchandise, still would love to see a new number 7, young talented player signed who could fill the jersey, someone to take away the stain of giving the thing to Owen which even typing it makes me feel ill
Invisible STuey


14.) Try ordering it online then via the Megastore, you can get Valencia 7 then!

Langers


 

 

 

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25 Jun 2022 20:48:16
Am i the only one that thinks we won't actually sign anyone? other than free transfers or loans. if we looked at it logically we had a loss of £64m plus the **** taking dividends at least 11m. with no real sellable assets we won't to leave we have no real income? Unless were going even more into the red which imo will lead to disaster. like it did for leeds etc. Just my thoughts.

tucker

1.) 25 Jun 2022 21:00:26
U could very well be right. No one will admit that though and the club will keep putting it out there that they are working on things. Keeps us high on social media and keeps the interactions up. I do expect plenty of quotes this week about how ETH rates the squad, how much quality there is, they’re so much better than last year etc etc.


2.) 25 Jun 2022 21:31:33
Tucker,

Honestly there is a reason Ed tells us not to go into finances. I have no clue about any of it, I reckon the club will be well enough run to ensure there is still money there so the owners can keep making money.

You could be right, could be wrong but I’m nowhere near qualified enough to understand the finances at a club or size so I just trust there’s people in charge who do.


3.) 25 Jun 2022 21:58:19
You guys are actually thick to think that a organisation that big is going to have an effect if the owners take 11 mil in dividents.

Its their club and their money so they can take whatever money they want and whenever. I am sure they have money in the bank to buy us players.

Its not like glazers haven't bought players its just that we have bought badly with no thinking behind it and hoping this time the purchases are made by serious planning.


4.) 25 Jun 2022 21:59:47
. I think it’s United making headlines the club just want to milk so will highlight every little detail. It’s also possible they just ripped up the work Ralf had done and start afresh.


5.) 25 Jun 2022 22:28:55
Singh, no one is "thick". While the club will sign players, it is apparent that our negotiations are different to other clubs. If you simplify it and you go to buy a second hand car and the dealer says £8,500, you don't say to him I'll give you £5,500. That's how United do their business. I appreciate that they try to get the best deal, but the selling club (Barcelona in this instance) are not idiots and they know the value of their player.
In addition you're saying it's their club and money and they can do whatever they want, but only the first part of the statement is correct, its their club but its NOT their money as they are in debt to the tune of £592m. With debt rising to record levels, shares dropping to record lows, they are still declaring and paying dividends. Anyone who has been in business will tell you that this is not the right decision. The fact is the owners are acting irresponsibility and this cannot go on forever. Their actions smack of owners who are milking the company for their personal advantage ahead of selling the business.


6.) 26 Jun 2022 08:23:43
Caolan Singh

Some do understand finance and are not thick as you put it. Dividends are paid out of profits, however these were paid after announcing a loss. It means the Glazers are taking money out of the clubs reserves. All legally allowed, but as AAA puts it that’s milking the club.


7.) 26 Jun 2022 09:33:35
Tucker,

We will sign players.


8.) 26 Jun 2022 10:52:14
Red Man - spot on. Yes shareholders are paid dividends annually in most cases but from retained profit not from a loss.

Singh / Caolan - yes it’s the Glazers club but from an accounting perspective any shareholder wouldn’t expect a dividend based on United’s financial performance last year.

I don’t know the ins and outs of the NYSE but appreciate those shares are only part of the club. However as noted you wouldn’t expect a dividend from a loss making entity.

What it does illustrate is the Glazers will take their pound of flesh annually regardless.


9.) 26 Jun 2022 12:09:38
Just chilll out guys and see who we buy, all i am saying some of you act like glazers ain't bought s player which they actually have but they spent it soo badly on playerss such as Maguire, Pogba and few others.


10.) 26 Jun 2022 12:57:02
My point was I couldn’t really be arsed chatting about it any more.

Sorry if it comes across any other way.


 

 

20 Jan 2022 19:31:47
Hi guys first time posting for a very long time, here is my thoughts on expiring players. Not sure it is possible but if the players are NOT signing new contracts could the club offer those players now as free's? if so it would release £645k off the wage bill to utilise towards players that actually want to come and play for the club? I know its not a good business model (then again neither is allowing this to happen) but why wait and pay wages to players who may not play a great deal just to release them in july.
Just a thought outside the box.

tucker

1.) 20 Jan 2022 19:43:35
Tucker what about have one free and we give you another free! Just to save more wages… well good idea.


2.) 21 Jan 2022 00:31:47
We would have to pay up their contracts so wouldn’t save anything. You can’t just force players to leave.


 

 

23 May 2015 19:30:49
I know the rumours are we have got over £100m to spend but I found a list of players out of contract this summer and I feel a couple could help strengthen our squad. There a more obviously but these are the better ones imo.
The list is as follows:-
1. Khedira
2. Chiellini
3. Rabiot
4. Schar
5. Yarmolenko
6. Uchida
7. Kaboul
8. Milner
9. Vlaar
10. Dejong
11. Huntelaar
12. alves

I think one or two may have signed new contracts but couldn't find any reports, anyway out of the 12 players I could find i'd take a gamble on:-

1. Konoplanka a good winger with pace and scores a few.
2. Khedira A good replacement for Carrick when injured depends on his fitness really but a good defensive midfielder.
3. Alves Just because he would be better than Valencia at RB and that's not his fault he's a winger. But could add something to the counter attack.
4. De Jong for some steel when the game is getting tough.

Who would you guys take if any or anyone else to be far?

Hope we buy some real top quality as we need it to catch Chelsea although I don't think they are that good, they've been more consistent and everyone else hasn't, like us a few seasons back the league, although more entertaining has been relatively poor standard.

tucker

1.) 23 May 2015 20:00:39
Chiellini and Buffon both signed new deals. Rabiot I think did sign too, I am not sure.
Younes Kaboul? Are you kidding me? He was so awful for spurs this season.
Schar could be a decent CB, but do we need another squad player?
De Jong would be a good buy IMO, only if we fail to sign schweni, Gundogan, vidal etc. Only Herrera and Carrick the midfielders with Blind and Fellaini. At least one preferably two are needed for midfield.
Khedira? What's the point of a player who goes 6 months missing every season?
Alves is brilliant while attacking, but it could turn out to be a Maicon like signing in my opinion. Although I would still prefer him over Clyne. Coleman would be the one I would love to have.


2.) 23 May 2015 21:08:17
Most are pretty decent players, but the only two I would take is Rabiot from PSG and Schar from Basel is it? Both we could get for a fairly reasonable price too?


3.) 23 May 2015 22:44:43
Gundogen and vidal if we want to compete with garay and otamendi at the back with benezema


 

 

11 Mar 2015 19:01:36
Right I know at the start of the season we had terrible defensive injuries however we now have virtually all available so can anyone enlighten me why Rafa Da Silva isn't starting at right back with Smalling and Rojo at CB and Blind or Shaw at left back? Valencia is not a defender end of hence the silly mistakes he gets caught out on, not his fault mind. Play Rafa two years ago best rb in the league according to his fellow pros team of the year, then play Rooney and mata in the hole with ADM and AY on wing Carrick and Herrera in cm surely this is our best starting 11 until we buy a quality CB (Hummells, Varane or Subotic) quality CM Carvahlo, Vidal or Cabaye a couple of strikers if Hernandez leaves and possible RVP, I'd look at Mandukic or Lazcette with Berinho or ings as back up?

What is peoples thinking at the mo?
BTW LVG to stay on at least another year.

tucker

1.) 11 Mar 2015 19:54:22
Who knows what players will come through the door next season Tucker. I feel we need a completely new spine throughout the team unless someone dramatically steps up in the next few weeks.

We have been linked with every name under the sun but I feel much will depend on if the manager stays in place and if we get into the CL. It will be an interesting pre season and I for one want nothing more to be competing with the best in Europe under the lights at old Trafford next year.


2.) 11 Mar 2015 21:37:48
Tucker, you are indeed da man, I agree with 1 up top and a no 10, 2 CMs and 2 wide players. However, this is far too straight forward for LVG who is far more developed than the simplistic approach. Keep up man


3.) 11 Mar 2015 22:52:33
Ajh you just can't beat a fluid 3133


4.) 11 Mar 2015 23:10:27
LVG has waited all the way till the last few weeks to play a common sense formation with wingers. He needs to stick with a clear idea, develop understanding between players in one system, so we can play quicker.

Look at Chelsea in the last 12 months. As JMB said about our spine, look at who they have added: Matic at DM, Fabregas at CM, Costa at CF, much stronger spine.


 

 

25 May 2014 10:15:47
Why o why is everyone panicking about signing this player that player, don't believe everything you read in the red tops and on twitter! Kroos was never coming to us nor will robben or muller and why would they, leave one of the best teams in Europe to come to a team not in UCL, they won't there will be players that will but not these, I see Fabregas maybe Claise or Strootman along with Shaw and Caulker LVG will know exactly who is in his plans at the squad and those he has identified, but I don't think he would of heard of the likes of James McCarthy never mind wanting to buy him. So let's not panic just yet and see what comes in June/July!
Certainly won't be as bad as the last two transfer windows.

tucker

1.) Can't see Caulker here. Hummels is his main target, then I think we could turn to Indi or Badstuber.


2.) "Why o why". Have I strayed into an old episode of Points of View?


3.) Ah, good old Points of View, the original forum for people with way too much time on their hands.

Always wondered who, 'Disgusted from Tunbridge Wells' was :)


4.) Ajh I usually like your posts but the above just made me think of Anne Robinson. Its put me right off my lunch


5.) Bookredmole, is that who presents it now? Unfortunately me and AJH are of an age where we remember the original presenter, Barry Took.

But thanks for putting me off my lunch now, too.


 

 

 

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17 Aug 2019 20:49:48
this game reminded me of when we lost 3 nil to spurs having had 3 great chances to be 3 up, it happens from what i saw a 1nil utd would of been fair, but that's football chelsea were naive pushing for an equaliser and got caught out simple as.
I agree a city etc would of punished us but we will hopefully play better as the season goes on.

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02 Dec 2018 20:55:58
Id rather Eddie Howe personally i know he's not a popular choice as he's not a big name with a foreign surname, however he has built a club at Bournmouth that is playing very attractive football and he has built this club from L 2 up to the premier league. I just think he would bring our identity back for using the youth set up and playing the attacking flowing football we all want to see. To be honest nothing will happen until we cannot qualify for champions league as this cost the club and that's all the owners care about, we have an inept ceo a manager that won't change his ways and 15 players in the squad that are no better than mid table, all this together means we are where we are in the league for this reason.

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15 Jul 2015 08:18:10
As much as I'd love lewandowski it's never going to happen and looking at the squad believe we we will only be playing with one striker which in all likely hood will be Rooney and the likes of RL Kane etc won't come and sit on the bench we need a good back up perhaps a youngster like Berinho? Or even a Charlie Austin I know there no where near wc but would do a great job, but I feel that LVG won't buy a striker he will use Rooney, Wilson, dephay, and wait for it Fellaini. Hope I'm wrong but I'd be surprised if he bought one.

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11 Jul 2015 23:36:13
I think Fellaini will be used as a striker not a midfielder this year to be honest back up to Rooney also with Wilson and Hernandez making the four unless Hernandez is sold then we might purchase another

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17 Jun 2015 21:05:16
I personally think Begovic is a great shout very good all round gk with loads of prem experience meant to have a buy out clause of 8m if ECL team make an offer so also buy Leno will be a top class gk

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15 Jul 2015 08:20:21
Left Att mid is where depay plays so won't need another lw really already AJ AY and JM to play there if required to do so.

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05 Jul 2015 20:01:38
It's about time he had a decent run even if it means loaning Wilson out for the season then make a judgement on him. He had a great season and did ok in copa America as a sub. Defo keep him for now

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05 Jul 2015 19:59:55
I like what Kane did last season, but let's be honest it's the only decent season he has ever had. His stats show prior to this season he didn't score many and was used as a target man. So let's see how his second season goes before making a good judgement. Had a good season as I said but would u take him over Rooney or even a fit RVP no chance.

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18 Jun 2015 19:14:09
personally I really don't see Clyne or Coleman as any better than Raphael he was RB of the year two seasons ago if he can stay fit he will be just as good as the two mentioned. If they are looking to buy homegrown what about Walker from spurs cheaper option. But the mention of Darmain is a good shout or Carvajal from real in ddg deal??

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16 Jun 2015 19:42:17
Bale on he left and The Ox on the right. Will never happen but I'd love to see this.

tucker