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08 Aug 2020 23:41:26
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07 Aug 2020 21:18:45
I know it's unlikely, and not on ed002 list but would anyone take bale on a season loan? Also, out of interest, what four players would you sign to make us competitive, or challenging over the course of the season on all fronts? If it was me I'd take 2 young promising players and 2 quality first team starters week in week out.

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07 Aug 2020 22:02:58
Considering the stick the likes pogba, rashford and martial have had over supposed “attitude issues” on here, surely that would rule any move for bale out of the question.

Hes hasn't exactly shown himself to be a top professional in the past few months.

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07 Aug 2020 22:10:29
I'd say no to Bale. I still think when fit he'd be one of the top players in the PL but even if we miss out on Sancho, I'd look at a few others who are younger and could be signed permanently before even thinking about Bale.

As for the competitive on all fronts question, I'll say we need more than four players before we can mount a serious title challenge or compete to win the CL.

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07 Aug 2020 22:32:28
Bale would be another Sanchez situation. No thanks.
I would love Ndidi but the price would be ridiculous. Fabrizano has stated that Partey is available for €50 mil so my 4 players would be Partey, Sancho, Telles and a cb, no preference as I don’t have enough knowledge on who I think would be good for us and attainable. Probably Gabriel.

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07 Aug 2020 22:47:58
Think Zidane has mucked him about a bit, and now he is shafting him back. But if you got him playing he could be excellent Would love us to move for neves and jimanez or even Edouard, if he were to leave Celtic, twice the player Dembele was at Celtic. But think a centre back is vital first before blowing the budget on Sancho, who doesn’t really want to be at the club and limiting Greenwood’s progress. Would avoid Grealish aswell. Looking at Fernandes, he playes like it means something to wear the shirt.

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07 Aug 2020 23:39:11
No to Bale.

If I had to sign 4 players it would probably be KDB, VVD, Messi and Mbappe.

Sorry, I’ve been outside enjoying the sunshine.

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08 Aug 2020 00:51:12
bale on his day as good as anybody but them days have gone.

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08 Aug 2020 02:02:00
We are more likely to see him on the pga tour that anywhere near his best on a football pitch again.

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08 Aug 2020 08:19:32
I was a huge fan of Bale, but that ship has sailed.
His wages itself will cause problems to the club.

My ideal 4 would be Sancho, Saul, Alaba, Jiminez.
These 4 would make us title challengers.

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08 Aug 2020 08:39:07
Who I would like:
lb davies, bayern
cb skriniar
mid saul
forward chiesa
who I think we'll get

Cb smalling
mid/ am grealish
rw sancho.

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08 Aug 2020 09:06:51
I’d go for Sarr, Edouard, neves, skriniar. Two ready for first team every game, two to alternate with what we have to avoid stalling any progress already made.

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08 Aug 2020 09:27:24
Bale? Is this the same Bale who was playing golf yesterday while his side got knocked out the UCL? That Bale. Absolutely not, he is in decline, injury prone, has a poor attitude and expects huge wages. He would soon knock Sanchez off his perch as the worst ever signing.

As for which four signings would I like to see?

Dream signings would be Sancho, Gimenez, Fabian Ruiz and Alex Telles

Cheaper/ easier/ more achievable signings would be Buendia, Gabriel Malaghaes, DvdB and Jamal Lewis.

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08 Aug 2020 09:31:49
Skriniar is another CB who lacks pace.
Giminez of Athletico, Upamecano or Pau Torres would suit us better.

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08 Aug 2020 10:13:04
Shappy what do you do on your days off?
Bale for united. Not for me but to be so self righteous to slag a bloke off for playing golf on a day off is pathetic imo.
He was not in the squad he was not allowed travel with the squad he was not on real madrid duty so why shouldn't he play golf.
The manager doesn't want him or play him a bit like bastian when he was here. What do you want bale to do sit at home on his day off?
Get a job working for the daily star with that bolloxology shappy. 😂
Not for united at this point i'd have loved him a few years back. Great player when fit and focused.
Amazing how some managers are considered bullys and called out by the likes if yourself but ole can cut the likes of dalot loose or zidane bale and there is not a word about it.
If your face doesn't fit and the manager doesn't fancy you then you have 2 options. Stick to your contact go through the family slog of training and adhere to the terms of your contract.
Or ask to leave.
Bale seems to have chosen the former which v is well within his rights and he has every right to play golf on a day off.

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08 Aug 2020 10:25:03
Ken, Bale refused to play against Man City this week.
That shows serious lack of professionalism.

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08 Aug 2020 11:54:22
No he didn't TRD he wasn't included In the squad. stay away from the clock bait TRD.

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08 Aug 2020 11:54:29
I would doubt the report he refused to play, think that’s just the Real Madrid soon on things because they too are probably wondering why a fantastic talent isn’t even making the bench. Don’t think the fans had turned against him til that point. I don’t think Dalot and ole is a comparison, because I think he is below standard required, but real are not what they were and bale could do a job.

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08 Aug 2020 11:57:01
Madrid would love bale to pull a stunt like that trd so they could fire him for gross misconduct and save themselves 600k a week.

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08 Aug 2020 13:26:31
Ken, How true it is who knows, but Zidane said in the press conference that Bale refused to make himself available. While people associated with Madrid are suggesting that they regret pulling the plug on his 1m a week transfer to China.

It's a right mess. While Bale has also defied club doctors to play golf while injured which may or may not have exasperated his injuries and delayed his return for the club.

While he was pictured mocking the club and acting like a fool while watching Madrid play a few weeks ago. The whole relationship between the club and the player has soured and while I don't lay all the blame for that at Bale's door, he should still be acting professionally.

I think its a very sad ending to what a few years ago looked like a fantastic career. A real shame.

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{Ed047's Note - which is easy for Zidane to say knowing full well he had no intention of using him if he did travel.

Zidane is an arse and glad those maggots are out of the UCL.

08 Aug 2020 15:57:36
He has won lots helped his intl team to new unprecedented heights he is a multi millionaire. A bit like rooney you are left with the feeling he could have done even better than he did but overall i'd say he has fulfilled pretty much all his boyhood dreams and aspirations. Not that sad. i'd say he is pretty happy playing golf. He might even out last zidane at madrid.
Very few professional footballers think like fans. Its just a job to most of them. I think he has done petty well from his job.

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08 Aug 2020 16:28:11
The only way Bale would sign is if there was a golf course next door to the training ground.

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08 Aug 2020 18:15:46
Id love to see him have a good year or 2 somewhere. Bit of talk of juve, however true it is, they are the masters of a good free transfer and getting the best from aging players.
Could he be motivated again? i'm not sure. He seems to have just fallen out of love with madrid and the game in general.

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08 Aug 2020 20:21:26
I would, just think of the sponsorship deals if he plays in the Ryder Cup.

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07 Aug 2020 20:01:41
I thought we were interested in TORRES, is this the same one as City have signed? I am seeing the name Pau Torres.

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07 Aug 2020 21:20:35
City signed the winger torres. Pau is a cb.

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08 Aug 2020 20:21:51
So did we want both?

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08 Aug 2020 22:42:35
Neither i'd say.

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05 Aug 2020 16:09:33
United are now being linked with FC Porto left back Alex Telles.

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06 Aug 2020 09:00:49
Great signing If true.

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07 Aug 2020 08:46:55
Do we really need a left back?

I'm not saying we couldn't improve on Luke Shaw, and Williams isn't ready to make the position his just yet IMO. I think he could be ready within the next couple of years if he keeps rotating with Shaw.

If we bring in a new first choice it's going to slow his development though, and I think the squad could be improved more by new signings in several other positions.

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07 Aug 2020 10:24:22
I'd stick with Shaw he's improved massively this season plus he looked a lot leaner and fitter after lockdown. he's got my full backing.

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07 Aug 2020 10:54:55
I like Shaw and it did look like he was getting back to his best, but he is injured again and that has to be a concern.
He has missed 14 league games this season compared to a combined 6 for Maguire, Lindelof and AWB. (38, 35, 35)
To have a settled back 4 he needs to be making the same numbers as the rest of the guys back there.

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07 Aug 2020 11:13:10
I’d personally sell Dalot and put Williams on the right to provide competition for AWB with Telles and Shaw on the left. Williams has potential but is obviously better on the right. If playing on the left with Rashford, we have 2 players who will look to cut in and so it’s easier for opponents to nullify them. Something I believe which will always prevent us reaching greater heights is the lack of attacking width from the fullbacks. It’s what has made Liverpool so effective. Sort that out and we’ve got a great chance of competing.

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07 Aug 2020 11:18:34
On paper it doesn't look like we do. Yet Shaw has only started 29 games and made a further 4 appearances from the bench. We have played 59 games so far, will play 60 and could play 62. We know he won't be fit for any more games this season.

If Shaw was fit for 80% of our games I'd say we wouldn't need another LB. Of the players we have who can play full back in our first team TFM and Dalot have had even worse injury records than Shaw, while neither have show yet that they are good enough when fit. Leaving Only AWB, Williams and Shaw who on average misses nearly 50% of our games through injury.

We definitely need another option, a left footed one would be ideal.

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07 Aug 2020 11:42:28
If we get a left footed fb where does that leave williams?
Cover for AWB? Who is only 22 if fit plays and played 35 out of 38 league games this season .

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07 Aug 2020 12:21:11
Jred, full back is the most physically demanding position on the pitch. We currently have 3 players good enough to play regularly (AWB, Shaw and Williams) .

Of which one regularly misses games through injury, while another is a young player player who only made his debut 8 months ago.

AWB will need resting, we should be playing 50-60 games a season. Which means there are 100-120 appearances available to our full backs in a season. If we have 4 good options then they all get 25-30 starts each.

Williams is far more offensive than AWB so could be an option off the bench if we need a goal, or in games where we might need more attacking width.

The same argument could be made for not signing a RW as they would block Greenwood.

The reality is that we need squad depth and we need good quality players who can step in and give the young players a break when they need it.

Sir Alex dropped DDG when he first came a few times just to take the heat off of him when his form dropped.

We need another full back option, and as we only have one left footed option (who suffers from injury) it makes sense to sign a left footed one.

I did mention yesterday that we might not have to sign a player to do this. If either Chong or Fred can adapt to playing full back then we would have that option in the squad. However, at best we have a few games to find that out before next season.

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07 Aug 2020 13:05:55
shappy your better players play if fit 9 times out of 10 .
Awb played 36 league games this season
Trent 38
Robertson 36 .

If we sign a lb to cover shaw where does that leave, williams TFM and maybe even laird or dalot.

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07 Aug 2020 13:18:48
Missed a trick with Ake. Able to cover CB and LB, or midfield if necessary (his preferred position) . Admittedly he is a great utility player - jack of all trades, master of none.

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07 Aug 2020 13:23:33
Do not forget Ethan Laird.

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07 Aug 2020 14:23:22
So jred where do you stand on signing a RW? Seeing as that will impact the number of minutes Greenwood gets next season.

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07 Aug 2020 15:05:35
Greenwood will get game time anywhere across the front line Shapps.
Him being too footed helps to play multiple positions.

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07 Aug 2020 15:46:06
TrueRedDevil, I agree, yet Williams is also just as comfortable playing in either full back position.

So why is it okay to bring in competition for one talented youngster who can play in multiple positions but not to do so for another youngster?

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07 Aug 2020 16:10:26
Shappy
I would sign a rw that would be 4 players for 3 positions .
Your talking about having 4 players for 2 positions .

Plus defenders don't really get rotated as much .

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07 Aug 2020 16:42:51
Shappy, Greenwood can play up front or on the left too, and since Ighalo is the competition for second choice up front, I expect him to get some time there as well as at RW (less so at LW, baring injuries) .

Signing a LB will hold back Williams AND Laird, who I would otherwise expect to be competing with Dalot or TFM (as I doubt we'll shift both this summer) for the backup RB slot, while Williams rotates with Shaw and hopefully starts making the position his over the next couple of seasons.

Backup forwards tend to get a lot more game time off the bench than backup FBs anyway.

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07 Aug 2020 18:02:02
Shaw is one of the reasons that we are miles behind. I mean this mentality. Shaw has so far 16-5-11-11-29-24 Premier League appearances with us. So clearly he missed a lot of matches, although he is not his fault the club was without its left back for over half a season for most seasons. Taking into account that sometimes he came back from injuries with extra kilos and he needs many matches to be back to speed then i would say that he played "good" 1-2 months a season . Ofcourse good is subjective, having 7 asists in your Premier League career speaks itself.

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07 Aug 2020 18:38:08
Yes yes and yes. Williams can cover both RB and LB but if we signed another LB that'd mean Williams would be required to cover RB more often.

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07 Aug 2020 18:45:37
This is the problem Herrera. While he is on a big contact and would be hard to shift. I would say on the whole he does a good job for us when fit, often underrated. But that's the problem he can't stay fit long enough to rely on him.

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07 Aug 2020 19:09:20
So perhaps he is over rated by some and under rated by others. Shaw had his best season imo and still only played half the games he has become a steady eddie never lived up to his billing of the best young lb in the world. But steady eddie is ok every team needs a couple of steady eddies.

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07 Aug 2020 19:57:38
Shappy i don't see him doing a good job overall. Nowhere near the job a top full back do. He is not very good at defending, he is nowhere near good enough at attacking and he can't stay injury free. I think the obvious think is to replace him, for me its obvious. I don't want another Jesse or Jones situation debating until they are 25-26 if they are good enough and waiting to come good. They wont.

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07 Aug 2020 20:00:08
We still have the games where we go 3 4 3, so potential for Shaw or AWB to drop into the three.

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07 Aug 2020 21:03:06
Shaw broke his leg, then had 2 difficult seasons under jose .
Since ole has come in he played 40 games last season picking up jnited player of thd year .
And has had another good season this year playing 33 games.
The lad only turned 25 a couple of week ago he will be fine.

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07 Aug 2020 21:34:25
Think you need to go to spec savers Damon, Shaw leaner and fitter? What?

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{Ed047's Note - must have said it tongue firmly in cheek as he’s the same porker he’s always been.

08 Aug 2020 00:59:45
Will be fine? A player with 7 asists in 6 seasons, not injury free and with fitness problems? Then Liverpools fans must see Robertson like a god. And that's our difference, if we find Shaw fine then we get what we deserve.

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08 Aug 2020 12:07:58
Herrera each to their own lines drawn in the sand some would rather do that than admit that the player hasn't fulfilled his over hyped potential. Steady eddie no more. i'm not knocking him for that as i said every team needs a couple of steady eddies not everyone can be a bruno.
Best in the world is what some were saying he would be he was the most expensive teenager but to be fair he was totally over hyped. He is a run of the mill fb average by epl standards.
Jred is right he will be fine just like lots of our players they will just tick and plod along being fine.
We don't need to or can't have worldies in every position.
We thought and were told we were getting a worldie i suppose that's where a lot of the disappointment comes surrounding shaw.

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05 Aug 2020 10:16:03
Hello Ed02 isit fair to say that United are the only club willing to negotiate a deal for Sancho to move this window? If not who else might be willing to enter the fray?

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{Ed002's Note - There are other interested sides and his agent has offered a reduced agent fee to two of the sides but they have no interest at the overall cost. It is simply too expensive.}

05 Aug 2020 10:41:46
Thank you Ed. United seem pretty eager to get this one done, I just thought the longer it drags out if there is no competition from other clubs might strengthen United hand in negotiating.

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

05 Aug 2020 11:14:55
Ed002, is there a reason that his agent has offered a reduced fee to the 2 other sides? I'm guessing he wants us to pay the full agents fee?

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{Ed002's Note - I don't know what he has said to Manchester United but Sancho's original preference was to join one of the other sides. But they were not interested at the overall cost of the transfer.}

05 Aug 2020 11:44:13
Ok, thanks ed002.

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05 Aug 2020 11:58:07
Was his preference Liverpool?

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{Ed001's Note - Chelsea, he is a Chelsea fan and wanted to be back in the London area.}

05 Aug 2020 12:28:01
ed001- if that's the case walk away- we really shouldn't go down the route of overpaying for players, put them on ridiculous wages when they would rather be elsewhere.
This scenerio is becoming so regular with (as Ed002 puts it) the amateurs.
Granted the lad is an excellent player but there are alternatives as suggested, bernadeschi, chiesa, coman to name a few. Still its early in the window and theres2 month before the powers that be pay the money, strut their stuff and pretend they are the worlds best negotiators eh?

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{Ed001's Note - I think the key reason for wanting him, apart from him being a big name for sponsors etc, is that he is homegrown.}

05 Aug 2020 13:02:04
Ed, what are your thoughts on Sancho as a player? One of the best young players across Europe? What are his main strengths and areas of development?

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{Ed002's Note - There is no doubt he is a very good player but there are others out there who are very good as well. Right now it is hard to justify what he would bring in terms of additionality compared to other very good players given the huge cost.

05 Aug 2020 13:41:39
ed001 - totally understand what you're saying : just think its about time the club grew up and became more professional in their approach to transfers. referring to ed002 comment below my post, i am positive they could solve a few issues ie, chiesa, gabriel, telles in for the money quoted for sancho. Obviously they don't fulfill the homegrown criteria but plenty others do white, maddison, chilwell, rice- granted a similar situation in that the later would cost more but still not in the bracket of sancho and if only 1 of them was brought in it fills the quota the same as sancho.
Never looked into the quotas regarding homegrown players etc so not a great amount known: if you could shed some light on it would be great. Thanks.

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{Ed001's Note - I am with you in that regard, I was just explaining why the club are so keen on him. I am not that impressed with Sancho to be honest. As for homegrown players there is a limit on non-homegrown players you can have in your squad. While there is no requirement to have X amount of homegrown, it just means you are limited in numbers in the squad if you don't have at least (iirc) 7. I don't believe it to be an issue for United under the current regulations, but there was talk of decreasing the number of spaces allowed to non-homegrown players, so United might be preparing for that future. I just checked it is 8 spaces that can only be allocated to homegrown players. With a squad size limited to 25 over-21s, that means in effect you can have up to 17 non-homegrown. At least that was the ruling for 19/20 season, I am not sure if there are any changes for the forthcoming one.}

05 Aug 2020 14:22:34
Great thread thanks for your respective inputs Ed001, Ed002 and the posters. Might I enquire as to whether one of the Ed’s know of any other high profile players that are/ have been represented by the same guy representing Sancho? Have some free time today and interested to look into his past dealings.

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{Ed002's Note - Some younger Arsenal players but nobody high-profile.}

05 Aug 2020 15:23:48
Chiesa now being touted to if Sancho bid fails. What’s your view on him Eds as a player? Can’t say I’ve seen much of him play.

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{Ed001's Note - looks a good player, I would certainly look to him rather than Sancho personally.}

05 Aug 2020 15:35:50
cheers for the replies ed001:)

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{Ed001's Note - welcome mate.}

05 Aug 2020 15:06:28
Eds, thanks for the response (s) and info. Should be completed by end of the week I hope.

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05 Aug 2020 15:16:06
Well he is certainly making a name for himself. Thanks Ed02.

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05 Aug 2020 17:16:26
Ed001, Chiesa appears to be a lot cheaper than Sancho. Is he has good as Sanchi or is he better? Lastly does he have a better attitude than Sancho?

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{Ed001's Note - it is hard to compare them, but Chiesa plays against better players and does well even when starting. Sancho only seems to really impress as a sub, against tired legs and some of the worst defending I have ever seen. So I would say he seems at least the equal. Attitude-wise, he has not been missing training etc but he is not living in a different country currently, so he is settled, whereas Sancho is clearly not fully settled in Germany, hence the desire to return to England.}

05 Aug 2020 17:27:53
Without a shadow of a doubt Sancho is a very good player. But if he was Chinese I don't think we would consider him at the current price for a second. Which begs the question does him being English really equate to him being worth 30-50m more? Do the club really gain value from his passport?

If we were in the same situation say as Man City, who need to add homegrown players then I can see some value in that. But we have loads of homegrown players, and we have plenty under the age of 21 who will take up a place in the squad once they get to that age.

Currently we have Grant, Henderson, Joel Pereira, AWB, TFM, Maguire, Smalling, Jones, Tuanzebe, Shaw, McTominay, Pogba, Lingard, Andreas Pereira, James and Rashford who all qualify for "homegrown" and are over 21. That's 16, twice the number we need.

While we also have Williams, Laird, Mengi, Bernard, Garner, Levitt and Greenwood who could well end up being named in our homegrown quota when they reach 21. A further 7 players.

So I really don't see the need to sign a homegrown player this summer, and certainly not to massively over pay to bring in such a player.

So while Sancho is a great player, other options such as Adama Traore, Ismslia Sarr, Emi Buendia, Moussa Diaby or Federico Chiesa could all be pursued and they would all offer an new dynamic to our forward line.

While they might not be quite as disruptive to Greenwood's development as Sancho could be. Much easier to drop a 30 or 40m signing of Sarr or Chiesa in place of Greenwood than the 120m signing of Sancho.

There is a reality where missing out on Sancho works out better than signing him.

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05 Aug 2020 17:44:33
100 mil for sancho will turn out to be a good deal, the lads still only 20 and will be worth a lot more in the years to come .
Havertz will go for in the region of 90 Mill and no one will bat an eyelid .
Felix went for 110 again no big issues.

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05 Aug 2020 18:04:07
I don't understand people saying Sancho would distract Mason development but Chiesa, Adama or others would not?

Neither of them would be recruited to sit on the bench, and last few games showed how utd still lacks options and qulities on the bench.

The only problem with Sancho is the cost, potentially will add more qualities than those mentioned players, and clearly will improve the team.

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05 Aug 2020 18:04:37
Do you have any idea how many players don't get to go to what many percieve as their first choice but can still turn out and put a professional performance in on a weekly basis? Not everybody has to be in love with a club to play for it.

Do you think Chelsea fans are saying why did we buy Timo Warner when it was obvious he wanted Liverpool?

I have said this before what do you suppose will happen to any money not spent on transfers will the debt decrease or stadium improve? No it won't so why worry about what he cost?

I think he's a class player who has been brought up on the British game and is well versed on the speed of the league and despite the cost he should settle in much quicker then the other names mentioned seeing as he's already lived in the city and has friends already at the club. Although no transfer is guaranteed to work but with these things already in place can only help.

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05 Aug 2020 21:37:21
mnk397, you're right on the money. Pogba wanted to go to Spain but moved to United. Since his dream move fell though he has been nothing but a hard working and dedicated professional.

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05 Aug 2020 22:03:15
Im not sure if that's an attempt at sarcasm there or not but the players and the manager have done nothing but praise his professionalism but you think what you want.

I won't bother boring you with his goals and assits before this injury hit season. But the fact remains players are professionals and go on the pitch to win and Sancho would do just that.

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05 Aug 2020 22:11:42
Cheers ED001.

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{Ed001's Note - welcome MH.}

05 Aug 2020 23:06:02
Itake it as you know Sancho personally shappy and he's got the exact same mentality as Pogba then?

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06 Aug 2020 08:30:37
There have been reports that Sancho has been late or on occasions even missed training at Dortmund.

If true then I think there is reason to question his professionalism.

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06 Aug 2020 10:46:42
To be fair he was keeping Pulisic out of the team over there in Dortmund, and he ain’t a bad player.

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06 Aug 2020 12:07:44
Pulisic was kept out because of injury and his unwillingness to sign a new deal.
There's a reason he got starts again after getting fit and they started struggling later on in the season. Ideally he would've started alongside Sancho, if circumstances had permitted that.

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07 Aug 2020 11:54:16
Ed02 Would Chelsea be looking at him this summer now that it looks Willian is leaving, I know they have money to burn but surely they couldn’t afford sancho aswell this year?

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{Ed002's Note - There has been a push to get Chelsea to make an offer but the overall cost including agent fees etc. mean that Chelsea see him as way too expensive.}

08 Aug 2020 09:55:30
Yes Havertz looks a better buy, be strange to see united go for Grealish later in the window for the same sort of money as Havertz although it looks like Chelsea have his full attention I guess. Thank you for your time.

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04 Aug 2020 11:55:07
Ed002- its reported that smalling is coming back from Roma after a deal collapsed; just wondering if there is any firm interest in him or any other of our current players from other clubs. thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - The interest in Smalling is from Roma who made a good offer but the amateurs priced him out of a move.}

04 Aug 2020 13:51:27
Wow Ian you really hate United don't you hahaha.

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{Ed047's Note - who is this Ian you speak of?

04 Aug 2020 14:15:53
With Jones, Bailly and Tuanzebe perpetually injured maybe there is still a place for Smalling at Old Trafford. If Utd don't intend to sign another CB this summer then keeping Smalling might not be such a bad idea.

Could he make a decent partner for Maguire? He's certainly stronger, quicker and better in the air than Lindelof, watching him play out from the back however, especially under pressure might need to come with a health warning!

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04 Aug 2020 14:55:40
Roma should pay what United feel he is worth in the same way that United have to pay what other clubs value their own players at. Works both ways.

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04 Aug 2020 15:09:40
Fair enough, in that case you keep smalling on the books, seems pretty simple.

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04 Aug 2020 16:06:55
I think this is another stupid decision by the club, just like when we pushed Everton for more money to take Rojo off our hands.

Ultimately we will be left with a player who will hardly play and will cost the club significantly more than the extra 2m we pushed for in wages over the next year.

We have far too many squad players who just aren't good enough and are a huge financial drain on the club.

Smalling (0 minutes), Rojo (122 minutes), Jones (136 minutes), TFM (137 minutes), Bailly (148 minutes), Dalot (66 minutes), Mata (783 minutes), Lingard (932 minutes), Andreas Pereira (1496 minutes) and Sanchez (0 minutes) .

Look at the minutes these players have played for us this season, between them they claimed just under 92m of our 238m wage bill, for an average of 381 minutes each or just over 4 games.

over one third and approaching 50% of our wage bill goes to players who average less than 5 games each a year.

Now when you consider that Mata, Lingard and Andreas Pereira make up 3211 of the total 3811 minutes, with most of those minutes coming before Bruno signed and we are looking at Sancho as well as Greenwood probably playing more minutes next season. Then its safe to assume that those 10 players will likely play significantly less minutes between them next season.

In short they are a waste of money, the club is wasting close to 100m a year paying these players when they have little to no impact on the team.

Sell them, hell give them away and the club will be significantly better off.

Smalling 0, Jones 136, TFM 137, Bailly 148 and Rojo 122 all played just over 6 whole games between them. Sell the lot of them and give 6 games a season to Mengi and the club won't be any worse off.

Dalot played 66 minutes, give them to Laird.

Sign someone like DvdB to play the many of the minutes that Mata, Lingard and Andreas Pereira have played this season and you could probably pay him less than just what Mata earns. Along with Sancho signing and Bruno now being here we would be well covered. If push comes to shove we could play Garner or Mejbri in an advanced midfield position for a game or two.

The club really do not benefit one bit from keeping these players. ship them out, if we could get 20-40m for all of them considering the close to 100m in wages we would save we would be far better off. While the extra minutes academy lads get here and there might mean we see someone come through, seize their chance like Williams or Greenwood and then save the club a fortunate on having to sign another player.

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04 Aug 2020 16:32:04
Personally happy to see Smalling come back. As I’ve said, Rojo, Jones, Bailly and Tuanzebe are never fit for selection. Pointless keeping them.

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04 Aug 2020 16:41:33
Think its a bit harsh to give smalling 0 minutes . He played 37 games last season .

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04 Aug 2020 16:43:55
Ed002 If the roles were reversed and it was Roma who owned smalling and United came in for him after the season he has just had then they would of quoted a far more costly fee to acquire him, so why is it amateurish to demand £18m (the price I’ve read we’re asking) a relatively low price given the very good season he had had?

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{Ed002's Note - The club is run by amateurs - I didn't say it was amateurish. You don't seem to get this at all.}

04 Aug 2020 17:04:25
nellym
We deemed Smalling surplus to requirement and not good enough. Roma are trying to buy a player up for sale not a first team player that the club is desperate to keep. So we can't play hardballtoo much when the player isn't in high demand either.

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04 Aug 2020 17:06:32
Ed002, is it down to the Glazers to appoint the right people, or have they allowed others to make the Decisions? I wonder if their other sports franchises are run with amateurs?

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{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with the Glazers - the own the club but don't run it on a day-by-day basis.}

04 Aug 2020 17:47:07
Jred, the club paid a third of Smalling's wages this season. How many appearances for Manchester United did he make for the around 2m that came out of club coffers to pay him?

The 2m extra we want for him, is around what we have paid him this season while he made absolutely no contribution to our season.

Why waste money on these players? Sell them, for whatever we can. The money saved on wages alone would be significant and maybe even free up enough money for an extra signing or two if the club wanted.

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04 Aug 2020 17:51:24
Let him stay if the club feels its right.

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04 Aug 2020 19:53:32
Smalling is a player I wouldn't mind us keeping. Rojo and Jones? Let them go for nothing, but Smalling is a decent player. Not good enough to be first choice at a top-6 club, but decent enough as a backup.

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04 Aug 2020 20:42:59
i think we let smalling go and brough Axel back to fill his space in the squad. That hasn't worked out. I would much rather we keep smalling if we are not going to sign another CB and sell jones and rojo and promote mengi. so rather than have rojo, jones and axel as a back up trio to bailly, mcguire and lindelof, we will have smalling, axel and mengi. i know which one i would prefer.

Also, maybe we feel we can get a better price for smalling elsewhere? unlikely, but not farfetched given the season he has had.

it could also be a ploy to make sure we are not in a position where we sell smalling for a pittance and can't get the CB we want, so have to keep jones in the club for cover.

i can see multiple ways where this would make sense - maybe that's just me searching for the silver lining.

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04 Aug 2020 20:46:02
Deependra-I know smalling is surplus but that doesn’t mean we should sell him for less than he is worth given the season he has just had. Furthermore there is apparently interest in him from other teams in serie a hence the reason of not selling for such a low ball figure.

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04 Aug 2020 21:35:02
As it stands we have 7 cbs in the first team squad. Ideally we want 5max so 2 would have to go without purchasing a new cb which we look like we may and also not bringing through anyone from the youth setup which again we may do with Mengi.

so say Mengi becomes 5th choice, Harry, Lindelof and new CB are 3 of 4 that leaves 1 spot. I would keep Bailly with the hope he can stay fit or sell next year, loan out Tuanzebe for the season and hope he gets a good run of first team games before coming back stronger next season. Which would mean Smalling, Rojo and Jones being sold for what ever we can get for them.

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04 Aug 2020 22:06:41
PogtheDog - i agree with you, but that is only the case when all 5 CBs are experienced and can deliver to the minimum standard and relatively injury proof. For e. g. if one was injured (Bailly) and we needed to play 3 at the back that would mean we have Mengi on the bench as our only recognised CB. If two are injured (Bailly and Axel) than all hell will break loose. I nkow wan bissaka and shaw can cover one of these positions but it is not a good position to be in, especially if you are playing Saturday- Tuesday - Saturday for at least 10 weeks in the season. Moreover this season is bound to be more hectic as it is shortened with the Euros and olympics coming up. I think Smalling will turn out to be a decent squad player and give the likes of Mcguire and lindelof a rest and partner with bailly / Axel as required.

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04 Aug 2020 23:34:37
Ryan,

I don’t remember us playing 3 at the back with 3 centre backs many times this season, Shaw has played on the left of the 3 on the occasions when it worked best.

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05 Aug 2020 05:24:18
nellym
We were desperate to get rid of Smalling last summer. He doesn't have a future under Ole. So we are not in a strong negotiating position. On top of that We as a club are known to give big money contracts to players making them hard for most of the clubs to afford. Also Ed2 has mentioned that Roma made a good enough offer and didn't lowball us. It is better to let fringe players leave for a decent fee instead of moving the goal post whenever someone gets close to the asking price.

And to people saying we get ripped whenever we try to sign players from other teams we should remember we go after first choice player that have a lot of value to their sides. Maybe if we went after the dross and fringe players we wouldn't be ripped off so often.

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05 Aug 2020 07:25:18
Gds we played axel McGuire and Lindelof earlier in the season before axel got injured. If I remember right we played Bailly McGuire and Lindelof in the fa cup as well.

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06 Aug 2020 16:13:17
What are Axel’s injury problems? Why has he missed so much football?

Jones is a lost cause sadly.

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07 Aug 2020 11:17:41
Tempt Napoli into a player plus cash using Smalling and Koulibaly 😈.

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04 Aug 2020 11:08:11
Eds, any truth that we are also in discussions for Gabriel?

Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - Gabriel Magalhaes (CB) Lille didn't want to sell in January although Arsenal pushed - the player has signed a new contract, but Arsenal opted to sign Mari - and are overrun with CBs and also have Saliba joining, opted to extend David Luiz and have Holding fit in addition to at least four other – so they can be discounted. Lazio have made their interest known as the seek a replacement for Luiz Felipe (CB) but Gabriel is not their first choice - although their first choice may well be heading elsewhere. Napoli know that they may well sell Kalidou Koulibaly (CB) in the summer and have an interest in the player but won't do anything until they are sure KK is to be sold - which could prove to be a very difficult task without a significant drop in the asking price. Southampton and Everton have both sent scouts to watch the player with Everton notifying Lille that they are very interested in taking the player in the summer – but there has been no “done deal” as many of the Everton fans think and it would take a significant sales pitch to see him make a move to a club with no European football. However, the Everton interest remains. Chelsea and Spurs have both looked and Chelsea fans have, like the Everton fans, convinced themselves a deal has already been done. In reality, he is not be top of the list of replacements have for any of the existing CBs leave although Chelsea have accepted that their two preferred choices. Spurs have a bigger problem in that they have an aging defensive squad supplemented by players who are only perhaps borderline good enough. Spurs have other options they are looking at but could prioritise Gabriel and have spoken with Lille. Prior interest of PSG was thought to have gone but with their financial issues limiting their ability to spend without sales - but it is back. Real Madrid have half a dozen CBs ahead of Gabriel Magalhaes but they are all too expensive so he becomes an option but they need significant sales before they can buy and have already put off their two major signings to next year – so I think they too can be discounted as they are also constrained by the “foreigner” rule in Spain. There is significant interest in the player and Lille say they have spoken with five sides who are verbally willing to pay the asking amount, but that list does not include Manchester United and they say firm bids have only been made via his agents. However, his agents who have a large number of Brazilian players on their books only have one player signed to an English side and took the opportunity to raise the issue of Gabriel with other sides whilst visiting London – and that includes Manchester United. I understand that the meeting took place in London without OGS present, but those present found the meeting encouraging. Everton need now to offer an acceptable amount to Lille and sell their project to the player. The player knows where he wishes to move to, and that is to join Osimhen at Napoli – but they won’t commit without an understanding being reached over Koulibaly.}

04 Aug 2020 14:41:42
Great info, thanks as always Ed.

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03 Aug 2020 21:13:10
Sancho to United fee agreed in principle widely reported) . €60 million the reported initial fee rising to almost double that with add ons. It feels like this will be completed before the end of the week given next Monday's deadline.
Sanchez on the other hand leaving for 'free' and joining Inter on a permanent contract.

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04 Aug 2020 09:20:05
Well, congratulations United fans :-) after months of bantering and competing online for his signature, seems the United fans win this one over Chelsea fans!

Really expensive signing, but for sure now you'll have a top attack and should be competing for title next season. Seems like the Liverpool-City dominance should be broken for a bit.

Nice transfer :)

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04 Aug 2020 10:10:30
Cheers Jackson 👍 Chelsea and United will be the teams to watch next season imo 👍.

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04 Aug 2020 10:11:59
Not sure Jackson - Pool and City have set such high standards that the gap is not going to be filled by one signing. Average points to win the league over the last 3 years has been 99 points which is frankly mental.
A title winning sides are built from the back and that is the weakest part of out first 11. Plus question marks remain over the coach. I like Ole and what he brings, but he has so much to learn that a title charge may be a bit too soon for him. For e. g. against chelsea in the fa cup, we should have setup like arsenal did in the final - if anything we had better players to make that work.

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04 Aug 2020 10:35:19
The back four isn't the issue, the issue is the way we play when we are pressed high. We didn't have much problems with teams sitting deel (after Bruno's arrival), but when we were pressed high, the midfielders and the wide players didn't do enough to help with the ball been moved forward. The way we escape from pressing is the main issue for me. Plus we don't have tall striker up front who could keep the ball or head it when our defenders play high ball when been pressed.

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04 Aug 2020 11:03:32
Sancho is a great player no doubt, but him alone won't bridge a 20+ point gap.

If/ when Sancho joins we will have a good first 11. I'm not totally convinced by the defence, but then I'm not totally convinced by any defence bar Liverpool's currently in the EPL.

It's quality in depth that is the problem. Jones being cover for Lindelof, Rojo as cover for Maguire, Fred as cover for Pogba and Andreas Pereira as cover for Bruno.

They just aren't good enough and the drop off in quality is huge.

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04 Aug 2020 12:14:45
I think its one step at a time. I don't agree with this arrogant entitlement UTD fans often spout - I think next season and the season after top 3 with some silverware and a reduction in points between us and the top 2 is realistic . We have fallen further than some will admit, even now 2-3 players out through injury or suspension and we look no better than a top 6-7 side. More quality needed in first team and on the bench. won't happen overnight .

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04 Aug 2020 13:20:41
I wouldn't expect your summer to be over in terms of buying after Sancho. Probably another defender to join you guys. You'll be solid.

Hopefully we do something similar in signing Havertz plus a CB. I doubt one club will run away with it next season.

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04 Aug 2020 14:32:49
Jackson, I think Chelsea have made some good signings in Werner and Ziyech. Clearly Havertz is a special talent but I'm not sure he is needed currently.

I think Chelsea need a first choice CB to partner Rudiger, a first choice LB and a goalkeeper far more than they need Havertz. However, seeing as Havertz looks like one of the top young players, I can see why Chelsea are chasing him while there is little competition for him.

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04 Aug 2020 15:36:16
Shappy, Havertz looks very much like a player we could do with. Makes you wonder why we aren't interested.

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04 Aug 2020 16:01:48
Yeah I think it's more that the club see an opportunity to get a talent they otherwise would probably lose out on to Madrid, Bayern etc .

I do agree a CB and certainly a GK are needed. But I doubt the buying will be done after Havertz. Onana shouldn't be too hard to sign, and if we can sell a CB I'm pretty sure we'll sign a new one. But you are right, they're more needed than Havertz.

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03 Aug 2020 19:13:58
Some of the mite reputable journos now reporting a permanent move for sanchez.
Not being privy to the details obviously but on the face of it there are positives.
A €15m fee seems about right and a huge chunk off the wage bill.
Lets hope that smalling can get a deal that suits him i hope he does i'd like to see the club facilitate that.
With any luck jones rojo periera dalot tfm grant mata and possibly lingard won't be far behind.
Get shut of that lot and you take the best part of 60m a year off the wage bill and bring in 60m in fees
3 top players would cost 30m in wages per season max.
Move as many of those in as possible and then get ole the 3 players he wants.
Get him his 1st choices. Pay what's needed if affordable.

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03 Aug 2020 19:33:26
Being report no fee.

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03 Aug 2020 19:37:51
Fabrizio who seems to always be bang on has reported no fee for Sanchez. Glad to see the club have seen enough sense to just allow the player the move.

The wages saved are like a fee alone for a player his age.

Hopefully the same sense will be taken for players like smalling when reasonable fees are given to us to allow us to move forward.

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03 Aug 2020 19:39:01
Fair play to Woodward if he gets €15m for Sanchez. I'm sure most of us would have accepted a slice of pizza and a Limoncello!

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03 Aug 2020 20:03:16
The report is no fee but Inter will take care of his wages, meaning we will not to to payoff the rest of his contract. Considering his wages that is a fantastic piece of business.
We should have taken the same approach with Rojo.

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03 Aug 2020 20:12:52
No fee expected. But shaving £400k a week off the wage bill is a godsend. Genuinely thought we’d be lumbered with him on massive money for nothing for another few years.

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03 Aug 2020 20:27:35
Goodbye alexis you won’t be missed.

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03 Aug 2020 20:28:16
True let's hope he is the 1st of many to go.

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03 Aug 2020 21:15:00
I read he will earn €7 mill a year at inter and no fee between clubs so he has either walked away from a lot of money or you have paid him off to leave.

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03 Aug 2020 21:29:19
Probably a handsome sign on for him from inter instead of a them paying us a fee.
Also the tax in Italy is a lot less for international players. So i'd imagine that's a net 7m but either way we can have 3 top players in on for the same 500k a week we are paying him.

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03 Aug 2020 21:52:52
It's no fee so they can pay his high wages. I think ed002 already mentioned this a week or so ago. Still good to move him on and hopefully we've learnt from the whole shambles of a transfer.

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03 Aug 2020 22:02:17
The telegraph are reporting that Unt paid off some of his contract for him to leave would be interested to know if Ed002 has any knowledge on it. Players don't usually take £10mil pay cuts.

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{Ed002's Note - I really don’t know.}

04 Aug 2020 04:30:14
Best of luck to him. It’s a shame things didn’t work out for him at OT.

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04 Aug 2020 16:33:30
Good luck to him. Disaster for him and the club - totally lost his mojo and hopefully signifies the end of that type of transfer from us again.

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