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02 Nov 2024 17:50:01
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01 Nov 2024 18:00:42
Ed now Ten Hag has gone are we still going to be interested in going for Frenkie De Jong?

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{Ed002's Note - Perhaps.}

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01 Nov 2024 22:46:18
At least now we can read stories of us being linked to every Past or present Sporting or anyone Portugese. Will make a change.

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30 Oct 2024 06:35:34
Lot's of stuff coming out about the squad and not sure how much of it is true. Seems like the younger guys were very much in the eth camp even the likes Kambala, mainoo, garnacho, hoiland by releasing positive public statements.

From the senior squad bruno, martinez, dalot, shaw have made statements but the rest have been silent.

Garnacho's brother has even posted something along the lines of when do we stop blaming the manger and hold the players accountable.

There is also story floating around that the senior player s were pissed off by eth constant backing of Garnacho and him being very selfish and not a team player.

Make what you want from it but something obviously there given the volume of stuff now being said.

I think Amorim has a job on his hand to get these guys to function as a team and will need time to get to the summer transfer window and clean up this squad and we may have to endure a yoyo season. Hope I am wrong.

I clearly remember kolp's first season and seeing what he was trying to do but they would have some games where they looked terrible and some glimpses of really good football.

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30 Oct 2024 07:48:22
Very interesting and you do have to questions the players too. I'd suggest most on here would back the younger group. We all know there are rotten apples in the bunch but with most of those on long contracts, I don't see how it's going to get better unless they are phased out (which I'd be happy with! )

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30 Oct 2024 08:45:39
It’s clear footballers are not very smart and spoilt brats. I find it all very tedious.

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30 Oct 2024 09:24:15
This group of players, generally, need a proper kick in the groin. They need to look in the mirror and recognise a bad attitude and a lack of effort that is unacceptable. Will this be another manager heading for the underside of a bus because of them? There is something fundamentally wrong with this group. Whoever the next man in charge he's got a job on his hands sorting their attitude.

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30 Oct 2024 09:36:40
There’s also reports going around about ETH having little to no interest in the academy, making the players do extra harder sessions after defeats (injury complaints perhaps) and an inability to communicate. The truth is always somewhere in the middle.

Sick of seeing people saying the players do it again and get someone sacked. That’s his squad, the buck stops with him.

He’s gone, it’s time to forget him and get behind the new gaffer.

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30 Oct 2024 11:03:16
It's amazing how someone can spend months lecturing the masses that what's in the papers is bs and too much crap written then the day after the tulip is tossed on to the scrapheap the same person starts quoting the same sort of stuff he slagged off for months.
Eth is gone it's time to move on no point I talking g about yesterday's man who was in fact the man who never was. Its toxic behaviour. 😆 . Do t worry be happy.

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30 Oct 2024 11:58:41
I'm not sure much can be drawn from this. Firstly it's just speculation, there's no evidence for what has been said.
Secondly when a manager leaves there are always rumours about some being happy and others unhappy. Normally the players who were doing well or at least regularly playing tend to thank the departing manager, while those who weren't playing or struggling for form tend to feel a little happier as they hope things will improve under the new manager and it's easier to blame their poor form on the outgoing manager.

Ultimately it doesn't matter what happend or how players felt under the last manager, it's all about how they do under the next guy.

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29 Oct 2024 15:44:12
Guess its confirmed now with 10m being paid off. Great if that's true.

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29 Oct 2024 16:10:19
All he needs to find now, is some centrebacks with a bit of pace because ours are all so slow, like cart horses but hopefully Lenny is quick and adjust to epl, he needs to find a striker or two, because we got zero in that department needs a LWB who can play a dozen games on the trot….

Sell off half a billion pounds worth of crap that ETH bought in

Then just maybe we can build something positive…. Fingers crossed.

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29 Oct 2024 17:25:41
Or maybe he believes there are players in those individuals and he can coach them into a team.
Remember he won't be able to add much in January, so he will have to work with this squad for the rest of the year.

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29 Oct 2024 18:44:55
I am convinced there is better there or at least hoping, then they been showing, surely there must be, the law of averages must say out of all the players Eric added surely some of them must be OK although I have to be honest I not seen much that fills me with confidence, not as if they did not know Eric most of them he coached before, but hardly shows he been coaching Antony for 4 years! And I would virtually say every player digressed under ETH it’s hard to think of a player that’s gone in right direction, possibly Onana looked better this season, but the rest. well.

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29 Oct 2024 22:23:50
There is definitely great potential in our squad not enough to challenge for the title but enough for a really good manager who I stills discipline and tactical structure.

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30 Oct 2024 00:02:57
Maze,

Let’s see how things go, why be negative before he’s even started?

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30 Oct 2024 03:24:25
There are some very good players in this squad who simply need a system that works and coaching to improve.

The right coach will improve this side immensely.

If it is Amorim and he okayed his preferred formation, Dalot and Mazraoui would make excellent wingbacks.

A back three of de Ligt, a ball player like Yoro and Martinez to step into midfield looks strong.

Two midfielders of Mainoo, Cas (who I think would work well in this formation) and Ugarte feels strong, and any of the front three would fit this.

No doubt we need a decent lwb, and another midfielder.

I’m getting hopeful - it’s the hope that kills you.

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30 Oct 2024 06:44:32
Hoping we buy Alphonso Davies. I think shaw is a really good player when fit but unfortunately he seems to be struggling with injuries and its not going to get easier given his age. He would be a great back up option for martinez as a back 3 or left wingback considering you need rotation and he can't play 50 games a season.

Or maybe Amas and also the kid at benfica who we have a buy back clause are the long term solutions as wingbacks. We still will need a left footed player who can play as a cb as a back up for martinez. Shaw ticks the box and did very well playing there when martinez was injured.

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30 Oct 2024 08:48:44
Ahmad H,


I think Davies will end up at RM. He would be a brilliant free transfer.

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30 Oct 2024 19:57:15
Have to agree, better coaching will improve us, but interested to know who the VERY good players in this squad are?

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31 Oct 2024 01:26:51
De Ligt, Martinez, Yoro, Ugarte, Mainoo, Garnacho, Bruno, Hojlund, all have shown they can be very good, you could even include Rashford who can be very very good but also very very bad. Time will tell if Amorim can get these players playing at their best but if he does then we will be fine.

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31 Oct 2024 15:17:30
Hope your right, but imo
Deligt. far too slow for epl
Martinez …very rash and gone backwards since injury
Yoro…who knows he not played a epl game yet, so how on earth do you know?
Mainoo…player in there for sure but stagnated under ETH
Garnacho…. player in there but very wasteful
Bruno…yes 100% if he not switched to every position going…and not captain!
Hojlund…not for me, nowhere near good enough to lead the line
Rashford…Yes when he wants and clearly did not want under ETH.

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02 Nov 2024 09:51:52
Mainoo stagnated under EtH 🤣🤣🤣

Surely you're trolling?

He didn't start playing for us until January, how on earth are you saying a 19 year old with less than half a season of senior football under his belt has "stagnated"?

As for the rest, MdL has looked good, he's not the fastest, but he's not slow. His pace is around average for a CB. I was one of the more skeptical fans when he signed, but so far I haven't seen anything that justified my skepticism.

Martinez hasn't gone backwards, he just hasn't got up to full speed after having a bad injury, then having a set back during recovery, then picking up a new injury shortly after coming back from the original injury.

Yoro is a highly rated player, he looked good during pre-season. Granted that was only pre-season. He was also excellent in Ligue 1 last season.

Garnacho has great potential and is currently our most consistent goal contributor this season with 5 goals and 4 assists. Yes he can be wasteful, pretty much all 19 year old forwards are. They are still learning.

Bruno and Rashford it's just not up for debate, over the past 5 years they have not only been our most consistent attacking players. But their numbers put them amongst the top ten players in the league over that time.

I'm not sure what you expect from Højlund. He's had one season where we were injury riddled and awful, hardly creating any chances. He was in and out of the team due to his own injuries and was trying to settle in a new country and league. Despite that his chances conversation rate was 56%. For context elite strikers such as Kane typically have a chance conversation rate of around 25% (Kane's last season was 26%) . The reason he didn't score more goals was that he was averaging 1.1 shots per game, Kane on the other hand was averaging 4.6 shots per game last season.

It's unlikely that he'd be able to, but if he maintained that conversation rate and was being provided with 4+ chances a game then he'd be scoring twice as many goals as Kane. If his conversation rate dropped by HALF and he was being provided with 4 chances a game then he'd be matching Kane's scoring levels.

Yet you don't think there's a player there. Sure he's 21 years old and his form will dip and peak over the next few seasons. But if we can start regularly creating 3-4 good chances a game for him then we potentially have one of the best young forwards in Europe in our squad.

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29 Oct 2024 15:03:53
Hey Ed002

Any truth to Rubin coming to United this quickly? Seeing reports this morning he could be in charge as early as the Chelsea game? And in England by tomorrow

Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - If they can resolve outstanding issues with Sporting and the coaching team. I cannot comment on timescales nor give you a time for tomorrow.}

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29 Oct 2024 17:28:04
Did you see Amorim's face at the Sporting presser, looked like a teenager being asked if he like a girl and was trying to be coy about it.

Looks like a done deal at this stage now that Sporting have confirmed the interest.

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29 Oct 2024 22:24:39
Talksporr said that Spoeri G want him in charge for their next match at least.

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31 Oct 2024 12:10:22
Thanks Ed, sorry meant to message thanks earlier

Looks like he's coming for the international break, probably best way to part mid season for a manager.

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28 Oct 2024 18:22:43
So Ruben Amorim it is.

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28 Oct 2024 18:30:41
Was just about to post this. Looking like it. Is this for now or in the summer? I’m assuming now as we are supposedly working out a compensation package.

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28 Oct 2024 18:54:20
Or is it simply a rumour?

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28 Oct 2024 19:10:56
This is definitely a forward thinking move if they pull it off. Plays the sort of football the new ownership want, used to a European set up like we are developing and given time will be a success.
Also if rumours are true will get one over City as looked like an option if Pep leaves.

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28 Oct 2024 19:32:26
If it is Amorim then let's hope he brings his star striker with him.

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28 Oct 2024 19:43:26
Even my goolies are crossed.

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28 Oct 2024 20:07:59
I hope for your sake Ork it's a quick resolution then.

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29 Oct 2024 04:57:29
Of all of the managers that we’ve been linked with, Amorim and Xavi are the two I’d be most happy with.

I can’t help but wonder what this would mean for Ruud though. He seems to have been brought in to replace Ten Haag when he inevitably got the boot, so I can’t imagine he’d be too happy if a new manager had already been lined up before he managed his first game. Even if Amorim doesn’t come in until the end of the season, knowing that no matter how well he does he’ll still be out of a job come August will no doubt be frustrating.

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29 Oct 2024 06:22:06
At least Ugarte should get a lot more minutes, he was part of Amorim's title winning team 3 years ago.

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28 Oct 2024 23:01:29
Agreed Salford. Amorim and Gyokores could be a dream double swoop. Watched a lot of him when he was at Coventry - he's an unbelievable talent.

Man City and Arsenal are both interested. Ed002 is there any fresh United interest? Would he be a realistic target if we landed Amorim?

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{Ed002's Note - Viktor Gyokeres (S) After only joining in 2023 Sporting have no interest in selling but fear a club could simply pay his €100M buy out clause in full and try to persuade him to move. Sporting fear Chelasea may do that and have previously avoided the subject during discussions over another player and a separate issue - and whilst Chelsea has a preferred option he is proving difficult to sign. With Viana moving to Manchester City, it is possible they could opt for him as the fear losing Haaland. He has attracted scouts representing Manchester United, Spurs and Arsenal with Spurs showing an interest. A wildcard would be PSG, but again, not first choice or Juventus if they sell Dusan Vlahovic. Sporting are looking to a new contract and an increase in his buy-out clause.}

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29 Oct 2024 10:49:28
Never had him down as a £100m player, but we definitely need something. Can't see that kind of money being spent any time soon. If he plays wingbacks LWB should be the immediate concern.

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29 Oct 2024 12:00:35
€100m = £83m

If Solanke is a £55m-£65m striker, £80m+ seems about right.

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29 Oct 2024 14:04:43
If Antony is £80m then Gyokeres should be a world record fee.

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29 Oct 2024 14:14:34
Quenda is someone who we hopefully look at too.

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29 Oct 2024 16:05:46
That’s alright. Give it a year or two and Amorim will be the latest “unless” “clueless” manager when our players decide to chuck him under the bus.
Then it will be the latest rinse repeat and fail.

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29 Oct 2024 16:18:02
Did not know Gyokeres played in the championship. Read he picked sporting over 8 pl options.

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{Ed001's Note - Coventry City and Everton turned down the chance to buy and instead paid more for, I think it was Beto instead. No wonder Everton are struggling with abysmal recruitment decisions like that.}

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28 Oct 2024 14:55:33
British media are all over the Ruben Amorim links. On the face of it I thought it doesn't really make sense as he plays 1-3-4-3 and we have had multiple windows setting up for a 1-4-2-3-1. However, with Yoro, De Ligt and Martinez we could potentially move to a back 3 with Mazraoui/ Dalot playing the RDM role and Shaw/ Malacia playing the LDM role. Mainoo and Ugarte would be perfect for the two CM roles. Højlund can play the focal role in the Amorim system.

The only question for me is if our wingers and Bruno suit the wide forward roles in his system BUT its unlikely they can do any worse than their current output.

Statistically his Sporting team have scored 2.65 goals for every goal conceded. His sporting team average 2.18 goals per game. He turned Sporting into contenders, two leagues and two cups in 4 years is a great turnaround.

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28 Oct 2024 15:09:00
First time I've ever seen someone put the goalkeeper in a formation.

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28 Oct 2024 15:27:16
Whoever becomes the new manager, they will implement their own tactics and formation. Some players may find themselves out of favour or not suited to the new managers style. They will either need to adapt or be sold.

A young progressive manager is one option. However I find myself worried at the prospect of another manager being thrown under the bus by the players again.

Ultimately the club needs to move players like Rashford on, who seemingly play on their own terms.

Anyone else feeling like they are repeating previous posts from a few years ago ;)

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28 Oct 2024 15:30:10
Luke Shaw and Malacia have now both been out injured longer than it took Christian Eriksen to recover from cardiac arrest. Whoever the new manager needs to address getting in a fit left back before thinking about formations.

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28 Oct 2024 15:38:16
From what I’ve read it seems City are lining up Amorim to replace pep whenever he goes. No idea if that’s true or conjecture based on City taking the sporting director from Sporting in the same way they did with the director from Barcelona before appointing Pep.

I don’t know much about Amorim or how sporting play. Seen a few games in Europe and they looked ok. But so did Ajax under ETH, so who knows.

Not much choice out there for anybody with high level premier league experience. So may have to gamble on a foreign manager with some good experience. Needs to be somebody that can coach and motivate the players and will pick players based on performance and how they fit the system, not on how much they are paid.

I just hope they don’t go for Southgate. That would be a disaster.

I honestly have no idea who I would pick.

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{Ed002's Note - Manchester City would like Guardiola to extend and have a preferred choice to Amorim - but he is certainly seen as an option for them.}

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28 Oct 2024 15:41:54
I'm a fan of Amorim and think he'd be potentially a great option. The Ed's don't think he's a likely option and given the huge cost of releasing him and his coaches from their contracts it doesn't seem like we'll be seeing him in the Old Trafford dugout anytime soon unless it's managing the visiting side.

I actually like the idea of moving to a back three. I know not many sides do it, but maybe it's time to take the lead rather than trying to copy what everyone else is doing.

Having looked at our squad I think a back 3 system actually fits our current squad as much as a back four system would.

For a start it might actually suit the LB issue, as we could either try Antony there as a LWB. Or if not then the reduced defensive pressure on the LWB role might give someone like Amass a chance to play some minutes with less responsibilities than he'd have in a back four.

Players like Maguire and Lindelof if needed are probably better suited to a back three with more cover.

Having a two man midfield suits the limited number of options we have for central midfield. Although the high level of work rate might not suit the aging legs of Casemiro and Eriksen. Ugarte, Mainoo, Collyer and Mount would all be more than capable in those roles.

The width coming from wingbacks actually free up players like Rashford, Garnacho, and Amad to play in the half spaces rather than starting wider. That should suit them.

Højlund could play as a more traditional front man, or Zirkzee as more of a false 9 pulling a CB out of place for the likes of Rashford and Garnacho to run into.

The only player it doesn't really suit is Bruno. That said I think he could do a role as one of the wide forwards in that system very well. Maybe Rashford or Garnacho on the left looking to get into a shooting position. With Amad or Bruno on the right looking to be chief creator in the front line.

That said even if it didn't suit Bruno that is no reason not to play that way. We can't be allowing the needs of a 30 year old player dictate our tactics.

None of the players over the age of 28 will likely be a part of the next United team to win the title. Simply by the time we are ready to seriously challenge they will be in decline and need replacing anyway.

The older players should be the ones having to adapt their game to fit into a new style that suits the majority of the players and not vice versa.

Players like Evans, Maguire, Shaw, Casemiro, Eriksen and Bruno should be trying to fit into the side, rather than building the side around them.

It'll be interesting to see who gets the job and what tactics they look to implement. As you'd think that the next permanent manager should be someone who represents what the new management structure and owners at the club really want to do.

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28 Oct 2024 16:29:40
Mad Hatter - I agree about the players throwing managers under a bus comment. I think a number of players leaving in the summer will help with that situation.

Shappy - Agreed, moving to a back three helps with the midfield/ fullback issues. Evans, Maguire and Lindelof are out of contract in the summer though so that's 3 CBs down plus Eriksen leaving leaves us short on numbers. Replacing those 4 won't be cheap unless we can promote from the academy. We probably need a LB, we tried to buy Olise, which would suggest there is a feeling we need a RW too.

Ashworth/ Wilcox are really going to need to earn their cash with sales to get us out this mess.

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28 Oct 2024 16:56:18
Lot of folk pinning a lot of hope on Yoro - looks like a raw skinny kid to me who could be an utter shambles in PL -who knows.

Outside bet for manager . Eddie Howe . lot of tension atm at Newcastle a move away might suit all parties.

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28 Oct 2024 16:57:09
If the club does move for Amorin, I'd imagine it will be next summer that he will arrive.

Surely the club would want the compensation paid out to SL to go into next year's PSR and not this year's?

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28 Oct 2024 18:26:56
Plenty of players have been far from their best but the biggest issue has been midfield. We literally haven’t had one for nearly two years. Yes being addressed now but mindboggling it’s took this long, he’s not been short of money just shyte at spending it.

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28 Oct 2024 19:07:28
Burren,

He’s certainly a kid and a bloody good one at that, not sure why you’d try and write him off before he’s even played.

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28 Oct 2024 19:51:29
Looks like he’ll be here sooner than everyone thought and the board are willing to pay £8.3m release clause.

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28 Oct 2024 20:58:14
Personally, I think the 3-4-3 would work for United because (from the players we already have and can see coming up) .

1. None of our CBs are particularly quick so the extra body in the middle would probably be helpful.
For instance, a 3 of - De Ligt in the middle providing a solid link between defence and midfield, with Yoro and Licha offering support for the wingbacks. For now Maguire, Lindelof and Evans would respectively be able deputies.

2. Both Dalot and Mazraoui are better on either side as wingbacks than disciplined fullbacks. Shaw lacks the athleticism for wingback and Malacia's never had the good fortune to properly stake a claim.
All 3 of Ogunneye, Amass and Murray are attack-minded players. Additionally, I actually think Antony could be molded into a proper player at LWB, he just needs to pull his head out. Let's stick with Mazraoui on the left and Dalot on the right.

3. Our first-choice midfield pairing of Ugarte and Mainoo would have the additional support of 3 players (De Ligt, Mazraoui and Dalot) to try pressing and swarming the opposition.

4. The wide forwards would need to be Bruno with either Amad or Mount (if he's ever fit) because, as much as Rashford and Garnacho are scary players, they add very little to any phase that requires discipline and control.

The striker should still be Hojlund, but a better team would fit his game better. I'd love to lean towards Zirkzee because his skillset is awesome, but he's more lazy than Rashford.

Now, before anyone pops a vein over my suggested omission of both Rashford and Garnacho, they are each currently just quick and aggressive players with little game IQ - that doesn't fit with a team with so little pace elsewhere.
Both can still improve though.

So for me, 3-4-3 works, but only if the team is equally reflective of it's set up and identity in both defence and attack - that was the main problem before Erik arrived and little has changed.

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29 Oct 2024 06:27:05
Bruno always goes missing when he plays out on the wing.

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29 Oct 2024 06:45:27
People seem to miss that we have a high potential Young athletic left wing back who may benefit from this change of formation, Harry Amass.

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29 Oct 2024 10:28:04
"For a start it might actually suit the LB issue, as we could either try Antony there as a LWB. Or if not then the reduced defensive pressure on the LWB role might give someone like Amass a chance to play some minutes with less responsibilities than he'd have in a back four. "

I haven't missed that at all Red Man 😂.

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29 Oct 2024 10:44:56
ED002,

Is Luis Enrique City's preferred option?

Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

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29 Oct 2024 11:23:27
Cheers ED002.

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31 Oct 2024 16:59:07
Bit wary of how often Amass is mentioned as a viable option like the second coming, he is 17 years old, years off being a first choice.

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28 Oct 2024 12:36:37
You've prob been asked or will be Ed002 but whose the likely names in the frame?

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{Ed002's Note - Ruud van Nistelrooy - the soft option - perhaps give him the job until the end of the season whilst the club try and sort out a deal for a full time appointment.
Gareth Southgate - could come to the fore given his relationship with Ashworth and I suspect he could emerge as the first choice but not available until next summer. If he arrives Jim Ratcliffe will want Steve Holland to join him, but Steve Holland will likely be heading elsewhere.
Xavi Hernandez (C) Xavi will perhaps take a year off and think carefully about his options. Middle East perhaps. Enquiries from Borussia Dortmund and Ajax went nowhere. His agent has said two English sides (Manchester United and Newcastle) and one national side (South Korea) approached him but his client wants time off for now. That could of course change
Edin Terzic - Well respected coach and available. Is another on the shortening list for Manchester United who have lost out on their first choice. However, I suspect he may not be interested at this time.
Thomas Frank (C) Bayer Leverkusen were considering Frank as an option to replace Alonso, but he is now staying until probably 2026. Some support for Frank at Manchester United but it would be a significant step up.
Zinedine Zidane - has a tentative agreement to take a senior role at another side subject to a takeover but is likely to wait for Deschamps to depart his job with France. Barely speaks English.
Ruben Amorim (C) Manchester City are waiting on Guardiola to decide whether to extend or not, but they have a preferred option to Amorim. Newcastle will offer a wildcard option and will pay the termination clause and the cost of terminating his staff but they will not be an attractive option. A wildcard could be Manchester United.
Sebastian Hoeness (C) - Stuttgart - long-term wants the Bayern Munich job - and they could look to him after Kompany - but Bayer Leverkusen could step in to add jim as a Xavi Alonso replacement in 2026. Spoke with Chelsea after a formal approach in the summer. Manchester United had offer to replace ten Hag firmly rejected in the summer.
Kieran McKenna - known to many of the staff and players and well liked - but a huge step up and therefore a huge risk.
Xabi Alonso - Wildcard with support from a key decision maker at Manchester United. Can't see him being interested with a clear target to repace Carlo Ancelotti in 18 months or so.
Massimiliano Allegri - Strikes me as unlikely but may be considered due to support from someone advising the club.
Eddie Howe - I understand that he has been discounted for now following internal discussions although there is support for him.
Graham Potter - I understand that he is down the list following internal discussions and probably dismissed as an option for now.
Simone Inzaghi - Inzaghi already has a job and he has no intention of leaving - it is hard to see the timing being right. Perhaps an option for Manchester United in the future.
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28 Oct 2024 13:08:33
If Southgate becomes first choice then I would seriously worry about the ability of the new setup.

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28 Oct 2024 13:49:18
Just imagine it's Southgate after everything.

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28 Oct 2024 14:41:24
Let's just hope the new manager, whoever that may be, plays Rashford in his proper position. On the bench.

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28 Oct 2024 15:11:49
My money is on Xavi. Not sure if he’s any good, but think that’s who we will go for.

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28 Oct 2024 15:30:16
A fair few of those are available now so wonder if that will force their hand, as opposed to waiting if there's a clear first choice currently unavailable. Is the season salvageable in terms of winning something, or is it more a case of Ruud steadying the ship ready for a proper go next summer.

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28 Oct 2024 14:36:54
Ed02 - out of curiosity, now that Tuchel is no longer available, who in your opinion do you think would be the best option?

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{Ed002's Note - Terzic is a very strong character but I doubt he will be interested in the job. Xavi will need persuading and may not be interested until the summer. Again a good option. i don't know enough about van Nistelrooy but Ajax were keen on him.}

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28 Oct 2024 15:44:30
I'll be very disappointed if it turns out to be Southgate. But whoever it is, whether it's my preferred choice or not will get my backing.

They will need the fan base United behind them if they are to have any chance of success. We can't keep letting our own fans sow the seeds of disharmony and discontent at our club. We really are our own worst enemy at times.

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28 Oct 2024 15:50:25
Just read Carl Anka’s summary of Ruud’s coaching style on the Athletic: maybe a bit more controlled than ETH but similar otherwise, such as committing too many players forward and getting caught on the break. Thus be surprised if huge other, unless EtH’s alleged lack of clear communication skills was a huge problem and RVN able to communicate much more effectively.

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28 Oct 2024 16:10:08
There will be lots of speculation and a media feeding frenzy and fans going out of their minds worrying about things that will never happen.
All we can do is wait and see.
Insaghi or amorin look like great options but will hardly leave their posts mid season. The other 2 I like are xavi whi is free or hoeness but with him the same issue of leaving his team mid season.
Any of those 4 appeal to me more than Southgate or howe or mckenna.
Really looking forward to seeing how it all works out.
In the meantime RVN casks the shots. One of my favourite ever united players. I really hope he does well and steadies the ship and gives the players a happier and more enjoyable Working environment.

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28 Oct 2024 16:24:40
There is also the highly realistic possibility that Ruud will be even more out of his depth and league position will drop further, in which case he won’t get the chance to see out the season so a permanent appointment could happen sooner.

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28 Oct 2024 17:46:08
Amorin is interesting but not sure he done more than Villas Boas at this stage.

I like the idea of McKenna, but that’s probably romantic and unrealistic.

If I was putting my work hat on I’d go for Pep. Give him full control of game model and direction of youth coaching and equity in the club based on performance. Wait up to seasons to make possible. Again unrealistic.

Naglesman is the one for me, realistic, experienced, versatile and with potential. I’m convinced he is getable for end of season or in dual role to 2026. I’d go for this guy.

Southgate, I don’t like as a coach but as a “Manager” I think he could work but he’d need to delegate. He’d be a steady set of hands to 2028 before a planned successor ie McKenna.

I think the logical option is Ruud gets a run out to see if he can keep us going until the end of the season, if he wobbles or doesn’t quite have it I’d take Ole back until end of season unless he wins Europa or finishes top 4.

I like this option as if Ruud works out until end of season we can reassess and look at market again which may include De Zerbi, Alonso and others like Zidane to learn English. Also if Ole works out best case to 2028 the club know his limitations and can succession plan effectively.

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29 Oct 2024 02:00:44
I think we look back at Ole’s tenure with rose tinted specs. Sadly not good enough, albeit I wanted it to work for him. If he was that good, he’d be in a job by now.

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29 Oct 2024 05:19:23
Do you not think Amorim is the right pick Ed in your view?

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{Ed001's Note - I know you weren't asking me, but as it double sent I held one for Ed2 as well and it gives me the chance to stick my snout in. I would look at Hoeness personally.}

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29 Oct 2024 05:55:47
Thanks Ed 1. I like this shout. Amorim for some reason doesn’t feel right to me. Or Terzic.

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{Ed001's Note - Amorim worried me with his attitude last summer when a few clubs looked at him. He was playing every one off against each other, and ended up with all of them looking elsewhere instead. It felt like he was not worried about what fit him, but just how much money he could get. When you have the biggest clubs in the world looking at you, money shouldn't matter as they will all pay enough to set you up for life. He wasn't bothered about who gave him the best platform to succeed, which suggests his focus is all wrong.

Hoeness has massively impressed me and I think now is a good time to step in for him.}

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29 Oct 2024 05:19:10
Do you not think Amorim is the right pick Ed in your view?

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{Ed002's Note - I think his preference would be for Manchester City but he will be aware that they have a preferred option and would ideally like Guardiola to stay longer in any case.}

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28 Oct 2024 12:28:44
Ed002 are Thomas frank and nagelsmann options we are looking at?

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{Ed002's Note - Julian Nagelsmann (C) Contracted to the German National side until after the 2026 World Cup.
Thomas Frank (C) Bayer Leverkusen were considering Frank as an option to replace Alonso, but he is now staying until probably 2026. Some support for Frank at Manchester United but it would be a significant step up.}

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28 Oct 2024 11:47:39
ETH gone, lots of journeys confining on Twitter.

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28 Oct 2024 12:14:22
I was really optimistic when he joined us - and thought he’d bring a good style of play.
It hasn’t worked out for him - we replace players with new players that don’t seem to perform - whilst the players that leave have a revival at their new club.
We’re 14th in the league and the table doesn’t lie- I wish him well and that the club gets the next decision right.
Hopefully we don’t wait till the end of the season to replace him.

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28 Oct 2024 12:42:03
Yes jacko it promised plenty but never materialised.
Like you I'm hopeful we can get our permanent new manager in well before the season ends.
I hope now that the black cloud that's been removed that's been hanging around for too long we can restore some sort of attack minded football.
The right leader in place will see significant and sustainable improvement quickly imo. I hope so anyway.

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27 Oct 2024 01:06:44
Bit of an old school rumour here fellas, haven't posted in a long time, but it came to me and wanted to share.

It's beyond third party information, so take it with a pinch of salt.

One of my good friend's Dad works with Kieran McKenna's brother here in Northern Ireland. Apparently United offered McKenna the job before the FA Cup final last season, however after we won, the club asked him for more time as they weighed up all available options.

Supposedly our indecisiveness put him off in the end, and he declined taking the job whilst we were still making a decision. Understandable I guess, as it's not just him waiting, but also his current club.

The brother said that United kept stalling and changing their mind by the day, which ultimately led to McKenna saying "F*ck this, i'm not waiting around forever".

An interesting point to add, apparently McKenna told United that we've a squad full of players that were overpaid and overrated, which United didn't take well to.

An interesting one to say the least, but also could be the brother chatting out of his rear end, or a touch of Chinese whispers. Wouldn't surprise me if the bridges are burnt between the club and Kieran McKenna.

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27 Oct 2024 03:32:26
Classic rumours are always the best.

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27 Oct 2024 08:02:18
Overpaid and overrated is true. I do love a good rumour.

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27 Oct 2024 08:49:26
Good rumour MPez

I have used the word dithering about the new board on here.

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27 Oct 2024 11:12:21
I love a classic rumour.

If true I wonder who got their knickers in a twist over the overpaid and overrated comments.

After all SJR has spoken out about how we have overpaid for declining players on high wages.

While the club have actively been trying to reduce the wage bill, which suggests they accept that we are overpaying players. Along with comments from Omar Barrada about a multi-year rebuild of the squad further suggests that they don't think the current squad is capable of achieving what they want to achieve.

If this was happening early in the summer then this would be before Barrada and Ashworth would have been in place. Maybe suggesting that the people McKenna would have been talking to would have been those responsible for building the current squad.

That might mean that any burnt bridges are with people no longer at the club, or at least not in the key positions.

I like McKenna and think he could be an interesting choice. Plays good football, and a record of improving players, but very untested at the highest level. Depending on his personality he may be able to step up to a big club, especially one where he's worked previously. But I'd have thought he could do with an interim step before moving to a top side.

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27 Oct 2024 13:13:23
Proper rumour there MPez, we need more insider gossip like this.

Personally I think a move back to United would have been bad for him. Needs more time to establish himself as United could kill his career at this stage.

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27 Oct 2024 16:47:19
i posted on here in summer that he wouldn't be joining- i'm also in N. I. couple of lads i know played in same teams as him since they were 14 nationally and club level and still meet up with him regularly - all Iknew was he said he wasnt leaving Ipswich for anyone else before end of this season at earliest.

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28 Oct 2024 06:25:41
Since we are talking rumours. Pay attention to michael carrick rumours as the season goes on. That has some truth to it, although they still really believe in eth and think its a matter of time before things click.

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28 Oct 2024 10:26:00
I've heard that we have had a regular scouting presence at Middlesbrough games. Supposedly Hayden Hackney is a player of interest, seen as the next Adam Wharton type signing to come from the championship. But we could we be keeping a watching eye on Carrick as well.

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28 Oct 2024 10:47:37
God I hope not.
I don't for 1 second think Carrick would be under serious consideration at this time.

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