Manchester United Rumours

10 Jul 2025 19:32:27
Rumours that garnacho is allowed back to team training. if this is even remotely true then what are we playing at?

10 Jul 2025 20:29:43
Surely that can’t be true! Maybe he’s at Carrington training away from the 1st team like Rashford!

10 Jul 2025 20:44:39
One wonders whether the club is struggling to get rid of Garnacho and Rashford, and perhaps Amorim is subsequently the subject of a good ol' fashioned commercial noogie.

10 Jul 2025 21:05:24
Not team training, he and the others are allowed to use the facilities at Carrington if they wish.

10 Jul 2025 21:09:16
Two days into pre season and Amorims authority is already undermined.

Might as well bring back Sancho and Rashford.

The club should already be planning for a mid season managerial change around october/ november time.

10 Jul 2025 21:09:17
I guess we’re playing at all kids are going to make mistakes, perhaps the club are finding no value in the market to replace him, maybe nobody wants to buy him, and he’s a contracted player for Man Utd, an exciting youth product and human who’s not to be discarded to the waste?

10 Jul 2025 21:25:51
Maybe nobody a-calling is the dose of reality Garnacho's big ego needs. There are aspects of his game which are excellent for a younger player.

10 Jul 2025 21:50:24
Out of the 5 i'd have garnacho back. He does actually work for the team. He just needs to stop leaking stuff to his brother and knuckle down. He's going to be a very good player when it all clicks.

10 Jul 2025 21:51:23
When were garnacho rashford and sancho banned from 1st team training?
5 players were granted extended leave 1 week to work on finding a new club.
At no time did amorim or the club as far as I'm aware say they were not welcome to train after that extra weeks leave.
2 others were granted extended leave in bruno and dalot due to the death of their close friends and intl team mate.
When was it said by anyone that they were not welcome back after their extended week?

10 Jul 2025 21:54:17
Not sure that he can be just told not to turn up. Not sure how that plays with employment law. He hasn't been sacked so?

I don't see the problem with it.

10 Jul 2025 22:17:16
Looking at some of the OAP free transfers we are being linked with like Ndidi, Vardy, Wilson etc. I’d probably stick with Garnacho too.

10 Jul 2025 22:51:24
Who from the club has linked us with any of those fallguy.

11 Jul 2025 04:47:06
He is a United player currently so every right to be at the club until he is no longer a club employee, not really anything to get so excited about, makes zero difference, in fact might be a benefit, he will be gone soon enough.

11 Jul 2025 06:29:48
Nobody directly from the club has linked us. But when does the club directly say anything about any non United player.

Reports could all be BS, but that’s no different to most rumours out there around United.

11 Jul 2025 07:58:25
Ken

Well reported that Rashford turned up at Carrington but was not permitted to train with main group, trained on his own with a coach. Widely reported the five are not going to train with Amorims main group.

{Ed077's Note - His "dream" is to play with Yamal at Barca, so why would we make him have a "nightmare at Carrington" 😉

11 Jul 2025 08:21:46
Redman rashford was given a weeks grace. He was not part of the team training as a result.
Nowhere has the club said all this 5 players could not come back training next week.
I doubt they really want them in the team group. This way those 5 can come back next week and as they are a week behind not join the 1st team training and tour.
At no time has there been any word from the club that they cannot come back training next week.
Reported by whom redman?
Why is it that people believe some ridiculous press reports and then call clickbait when it suits them?
Nothing from the club on this so why believe the daily star?

11 Jul 2025 12:40:56
Ken

I don’t read the Daily Star but I do read Manchesters main evening newspaper. Maybe try it.

As an example they reported today Rashford drove into Carrington on Thursday to train on his own again.
He arrived at 4.47pm, eight minutes after Ruben Amorim had departed.

11 Jul 2025 12:46:48
I don’t consider it unreasonable to allow him access to the club training/ gym facilities so long as he, and others aren’t connecting with team training. He’s still an employee and an athlete needs to train.

11 Jul 2025 13:42:14
Fizz

No problem they can train separately at Carrington, they are not banned just separated from the main group.

11 Jul 2025 15:27:33
I appreciate we want Rashford to move on, but it’s in the clubs interest that he stays fit and healthy…. plus I don’t get all this hatred for Rashford, some fools even saying he not worth 40m when you have likes of Kudos MGW even Erlanga going for more!
Weird the way some minds work and the biased views instead of logic
Yes Rashford gone backwards last couple of seasons, but he got the ability to be much better than the above 3 named that’s for sure.
I get people think he downed tools, maybe he did maybe he got other problems, we have no idea….

12 Jul 2025 05:36:20
Totally agree German.

I for one would love to see a motivated and fit Rashford play for us. he's our best finisher still. I’d say the same for Garnacho - much
more raw, but has a higher ceiling.

I’d say the same about any of our exiles - tube demand for shiny new signings is always there. Perhaps we look closer to home a little - all these players improved when they left us temporarily (Sancho, Rash, Antony) . Is it all on them, or the culture and toxic environment of our club on the whole right now?

{Ed077's Note - Sancho improved so much that Chelsea paid a compensation fee to not buy him. And Rashford did so well at Villa that they've been banging on the door for him ? 🤣🤣🤣

07 Jul 2025 21:24:21
Looks like elanga is off to Newcastle. I'm surprised we didn't look to bring him back, I always liked the look of him and he would fit into one of the 10s that were looking for. i'm sure we had a buy back or sell on fee so could have been an easier deal to make.

07 Jul 2025 21:28:56
He's nowhere near the level of Cunha or Mbeumo.

07 Jul 2025 22:01:36
Elanga going could help get Mbuemo over the line with the money we’ll receive.

07 Jul 2025 23:43:19
And we are nowhere near the level of Newcastle DonRed. I wonder who is better off.

08 Jul 2025 02:43:41
What are you on about Kurtis? Just a complete non sequitur.

08 Jul 2025 08:46:23
Maybe it was a non sequitur, but I think its worth asking—are we in a position to scoff at players like Elanga when we’re not even competing at Newcastle’s level?

08 Jul 2025 11:16:31
Fair point kurtis.

08 Jul 2025 12:27:44
The original question was whether we should have gone for Elanga as it would've been an easier deal. We are close to securing not just one, but two signings at similar fees that are substantially better players. If you lads want to scoff at the club then fine, but Newcastle are overpaying by a lot here.

08 Jul 2025 13:12:23
Would hardly say they overpaid. Ranked third in the league for assists, is 23 years old and let's not forget ran through our whole team to score against us. We have paid a lot more and received a lot less in the past.

08 Jul 2025 13:57:19
I agree Kurtis, but him coming back would present its own issues. He is going into a highly functional team at present and it's a better move.

We, I think have paid slightly more for 2 players that are better and we have already seen Elanga in red. It's not for everyone.

08 Jul 2025 15:49:30
Never rated him to be honest like the poster further up said he's nowhere near the quality of Cunha and Mbuemo.

08 Jul 2025 22:04:22
Decent player. He was perfect in Forest’s system. Not sure he’ll be quite as effective at Newcastle.

08 Jul 2025 22:05:22
You watch elanga out do the both of them next season. Yeah he's not the fancy name and we've had him before, but there is a seriously good player there and by the time he's the age of the players he's not better than, he will be better than them.

Newcastle will challenge next season with a front 3 of gordon, elanga and isak.

05 Jul 2025 14:32:21
Reading that we are possibly close with a Sancho move to Juventus if salary can be resolved with potentially Luiz coming the other way.
Has anyone seen Luiz since he left Villa, if we get that version we will be adding a quality player suited to the PL that will help. but not seen much since he left.

05 Jul 2025 15:16:50
I like Douglas Luiz and he's a great player to have in the EPL. I'm not sure he's the ideal partner in midfield for Bruno, and seems more suited to play alongside an Ugarte type player.

A swap deal could be very smart, as the clubs can inflate the value of the players in the swap to show a greater profit on the books. For Juventus it means they can breakeven on Luiz, for us it will probably show a small profit.

05 Jul 2025 15:44:31
He was terrific at Villa, but according to all reports has been very poor at Juve, hence them looking to sell.
If it happens we shall have to hope we get old Luiz.
Tend to agree a bit with Shappy, not totally sure he is the ideal fit for Bruno.
There is much talk we are after Fabian Ruiz of PSG, he is a fabulous player, but again not sure he would be a good fit for Bruno, he's great at advancing the ball but not great defensively. Surely we need someone good at that aspect of play.

05 Jul 2025 16:57:48
I’d absolutely love Luiz.

Can’t see it happening though.

05 Jul 2025 19:15:14
I’d really like Adam Wharton.
Hayden Hackney would be an interesting gamble.
I think Douglas Luiz would be a good addition too if Casemiro moves on.

06 Jul 2025 05:22:49
So are we now saying Luiz is better player than Cass….?

06 Jul 2025 09:44:14
Cass despite some decent games in Europe last season can't cope with the pace of epl sp yes at this point Luiz would be a lot more effective than casimero 100%.

06 Jul 2025 14:24:59
So have you seen Luiz in the EPL last year to know he be better at coping, he not coped very well in Italy!

I would take Cass all day long over Luiz because he already here and he got bucket loads more experience and also a game a week will suit him fine… so I see no point in Luiz in Cass out, that’s for sure, no problem Cass out if a proven midfielder but Luiz ain’t that.

06 Jul 2025 16:14:15
German, Douglas Luiz made 175 appearances for Aston Villa between 2019 and 2024.

He's very much proven in the EPL.

He's a different kind of midfielder to Casemiro. Less combative, but better on the ball.

Peak Casemiro was a better player than Luiz has been, but right now in the EPL Douglas Luiz would be the better player. Casemiro just hasn't got the stamina for the EPL anymore unfortunately.

06 Jul 2025 17:14:23
In your opinion you mean…. I know he was at Villa but hardly pulled up any trees for them and looked awful in Italy last season, so the jury out if he be any good here, another year later… I would totally disagree though that he better passer or better with ball at his feet than Cass… or even able to score goals like Cass can……. I have no objections to getting Luiz I just don’t see an upgrade if Cass goes for him to come in, maybe an upgrade on Ugarte but not on Cass imo.

06 Jul 2025 18:46:53
German your hate for Ugarte is comedy gold.

06 Jul 2025 19:22:18
Why Redpaul, is he great then? Am I missing something and did PSG miss something too? In fact are all clubs missing something with him, even RA don’t start him in bigger games is he missing something too!

Please enlighten me what’s good about him or is he comedy gold and that’s what you mean

I don’t hate him, I don’t know him, I judge him as a player and he is not very good, that’s not hate…… your being woke with that word.

06 Jul 2025 19:31:41
German, he did pretty well at Villa, was chased by Arsenal and considering by City, won the supporters and players player of the season awards in 2022/ 23, and Juventus ended up paying €50m for him. Not an insignificant amount.

He got 10 goals and 10 assists in his final season at Villa while playing deeper in the double pivot.

I think most people who have watched him in the EPL for Villa appreciate he is a very good player.

07 Jul 2025 05:56:22
He might HAVE been a very good player at Villa, but Cass WAS an exceptional player at Real Madrid…if we are talking in the past tense! So bit of a non starter comparison in my view…. As usual you’re masking your view with stats so why not show stats of last season then? Maybe for them both? Thought not….

07 Jul 2025 06:09:27
I agree on ugarte. He’s not great. Arsenal have a decent set of midfielders and they’ve still added real quality in zubimendi. That’s what we did when we were good. Added high quality when we were already strong.

Even if we had have been lucky enough to have got Cunha, Mbeumo and Gyokeres I still feared for our midfield of ugarte, Bruno, Mainoo and collyer/ Casemiro. There isn’t a natural pairing of 2 amongst them.

Get the spine right first. That’s always the first rule in forming a team and right now ours is way below the standard, especially compared to Liverpool, Arsenal, city, Chelsea. I’d even argue that the two cop winners newcastle and palace have a better spine.

Out of those teams just considering

Keeper

Centre back (in our case the middle of the 3)

Centre DM

Attacking midfield we’re stacked but then we’re moving our best player back into a role that isn’t a natural fit. Remember it was Bruno that was dispossessed for the spurs goal in the final.

CF

Onana worst of them by far.

Maguire and deligt are “ok” but far below van dijk, Dias, Saliba, chelsea have 3/ 4 better.

Ugarte - nowhere near at the level of zubi, caiceido/ enzo, Rodri, gravenbach.

CF - least said the better.

We needed to improve up front but in reality we’ll struggle if we don’t upgrade the entire spine. It’s going to take 2–3 windows to get right and challenge again.

No wonder gyorkeres doesn’t want to come. We’ll improve this year, no doubt, but I still don’t see us breaking top 6. The road back is going to be long and painful.

07 Jul 2025 13:18:29
Agree airforce.
Gk cb cm still weaker than a new born kitten
But it will take time and unraveling the mess of dumb contracts to crap players will take some time.
That said we i'm very hopeful we can address keeper this summer along with the forwards. BUT WE HAVE TO SELL PLAYERS BEFORE WE CAN BUY.

07 Jul 2025 14:09:44
At last someone agrees, that we are very weak at CB I banged the drum for an age that the spine of the team is terrible and that’s what is being worked on, but we have to remember many don’t want to come to United it’s a long term project, especially they don’t want to come if we not now over paying on salaries, what else we got to offer.
I also agree top6 is going to be a push, but least one we will be aiming for next season.
The club is working to get the spine…GK, CB, Mid and strikers RAknows what he needs the club knows too, lots on here seem to think the glass butcher the fridge carrying CBs and can’t pass a ball 5 yards midfielders are good enough…. the same players that got us 15th last season
Garnacho, Rashford Sancho possibly Mainoo will all be gone. If RA had his way Ugarte, Onana Malacia, Rasmus and Zirkee will be gone too, but that might be wishful thinking….

07 Jul 2025 16:31:30
German i she on those with the exception of mainoo.
Technically and very good player and has time on his side. Had a bad season with a couple of muscle injuries last season and was clearly not up to standard.
However I think he has got lots of the fundamentals required.
Ra has put him on a special endurance and speed programme reportedly. If he can improve his athleticism he will rock most boxes.
Not a list cause by any means.
The rest of your list will all be gone sooner rather than later imo but can't all be done this summer.

08 Jul 2025 04:40:52
I did not say he is a lost cause, but he lacks mobility for a midfielder and speed that’s needed in today’s game especially when surrounded by no pace as is at United, if a good bid come in he would be on his way, but I don’t see a bid coming, because every club is aware of his shortcomings, that’s why I said possibility of him moving only… the rest are total waste of time, I would also add Deligt and Martinez the glass butcher to that list, they are both average at very best and again both too slow, both too injury prone too….

03 Jul 2025 19:50:16
Rumours that Newcastle have bid £55m today for Elanga. Does anyone know how much we will make if the deal goes through? Pretty sure we have a sell on clause. Every little helps in the coffers that's for sure.

03 Jul 2025 20:15:12
Believed to be 20% on net profit, if true would be £8m for us.

03 Jul 2025 21:04:16
Thanks 👍.

04 Jul 2025 08:17:57
Hopefully there is some truth in Real Madrid looking at Alvaro as well which could bring in a similar amount of PSR profit.

Improves our position or let's us offset if we can't balance this on the Sancho/ Antony deals.

04 Jul 2025 15:22:11
The absolute ideal would be Mason Greenwood getting a transfer, rumours of him moving for circa £60m.
Now that would be fantastic as we get 50% of net profit, that would be circa £17m, certainly would be good for accounting purposes.
Him and Elanga would be circa £25m so covering £100m spend.
Bish Bosh give us the dosh.

04 Jul 2025 18:54:47
Circa.

05 Jul 2025 07:24:26
Hmm. Hopefully ex-players can help us more in the shorter run than our existing set of guys on ridiculous wages. hope Elanga, Alvaro and Greenwood get solid big money moves! Maybe add £30M or so to our skint budget.

05 Jul 2025 09:09:26
Iwotb. Love your posts generally but that's complete misinformation or ignorance on financial topic.
25m profit does not pay for a 100 m outlay or cover the outlay.
Imgurssing you have no idea so why refer to it . Your just making stuff up and people making stuff up lads to frustration.

05 Jul 2025 13:36:46
Ken, of course it does. If £100m is spent on players approx £25m of that spend will appear in the accounts initially.
I stated that this would be from an accounting standpoint meaning compliance with Profit and Sustainability, so not in terms of absolute spend.
I can assure you I have an understanding of these matters, if you believe something to be incorrect then instead of instantly resorting to abusing try being specific.

05 Jul 2025 16:34:04
Iwotb where in your post did you mention psr and from an accounting perspective. Where did i abuse?
Him and Elanga would be circa £25m so covering £100m spend.
Bish Bosh give us the dosh. That's what you posted. It's simply not true and wildly inaccurate.
Why would 25m of the spend appear in the accounts initially? What will be there to cover the 25m for next year's accounts in that case? 25m does not cover a 100m spend on the books or anywhere else and if you think it does your sadly mistaken.
No abuse just pointing out that that is misinformation. Do you read the clubs accounts? Where will the agents fees taxes etc and associated costs come in iwotb. It simply does not work they way your are stating.

05 Jul 2025 21:06:56
Ken, what are you talking about.

Yes, I do read the accounts.

Your post is clearly a somewhat vainglorious attempt at obfuscation and deflection, what's all this about associated costs, they are dealt with in a normal business manner.
You talk of agent's fees, well as you know these are amortised along with the transfer fee and represent a very small amount of the transaction.

Your sole explanation of why my post is wrong is 'it does not work like that'. First of all it does work that way and secondly how does it work then? You offer no explanation merely stating 'you are making stuff up'.

Now, for the final time, if we credit the accounts with £25m approx from sell on clauses that is net profit. If we purchase players at roughly £100m and then charge the accounts with an amortised sum of approx £25m, from an accounting and regulatory standpoint that is acceptable. This figure could, of course be reduced if you amortise over 5 years

You also ask where does next year's £25m come from, I find that a somewhat surprising question as clearly it comes in exactly the same way all amortised payments do, that is from next year's earnings. As you know this is normal business practice.

Now, clearly what I have said is true and you coming back with 'that's not how it work's' does not constitute a valid rebuttal.

I would hope this to be end of the matter, any continuation could lead to the conclusion, by some, that you are unable to accept reality and argue simply for the sake of it. Surely not!

06 Jul 2025 09:52:48
Its true for next year. Your statement was and one again I'll re post it
Him and Elanga would be circa £25m so covering £100m spend.
It doesn't cover a 100 m spend.
It will cover year 1 or about 20% short if year one when you take into account associated costs inc pay offs. As you say assuming a 4 year amortisation period.
Next year that 25m will need to come from other incomes so the 25 profit will not cover a 100m spend that's just a simple fact.
You worded your post inaccurately that will lead to confusion for many that are not a familiar.

06 Jul 2025 14:12:20
Ken, you are just making things up to confuse people. It does not work like that.

02 Jul 2025 16:37:33
Team Talk reporting Utd are about to bid E40 million for Atalanta GK Marco Carnesecchi.

02 Jul 2025 17:42:24
Ah, and Italian goalkeeper, what could possibly go wrong.

02 Jul 2025 18:01:58
Amad/ Hojlund
Hit/ miss signing from Atalanta! It's hard to be optimistic so if we do sign hopefully a hit

I would of preferred to take that young lad that's of to Newcastle.

{Ed077's Note - Trafford you mean?

02 Jul 2025 18:37:48
Def agree about Trafford.

02 Jul 2025 23:04:31
Yes 077 that's the one good stats but he's a Toon lad now.

{Ed077's Note - another overhyped English Goalie.

03 Jul 2025 07:37:59
AJH, that Italian GK who plays for PSG is alright.

03 Jul 2025 08:30:59
Negativity pouring from every post. Hatred will do that to you.

03 Jul 2025 09:25:17
Ed077,

Which GKs would be your pick?

{Ed077's Note - Maignan, from the ones linked with a transfer.

03 Jul 2025 10:38:12
If that's aimed at me kenneth, then you don't understand the difference between hatred and humour. Take that bee out of your bonnet 😃.

03 Jul 2025 15:25:55
I think it was just a personal statement, AJH.

Looking like Carragher will do that to the mind of a boy.

03 Jul 2025 15:24:55
Ed077,

He would be a fantastic signing. However I don't think he is a realistic signing, given our lack of European football. He would give Utd at least 4-5 years of top football.

{Ed077's Note - you don't know that until to try it.

03 Jul 2025 17:39:48
Ed077,

True. Looks like AC Milan are will to negotiate on his price. i'm surprised Chelsea didn't pay abit extra for him. He is far better than any of the keepers they have now.

{Ed077's Note - he's too old for them ?