10 Aug 2024 13:39:46
De ligt and mazrouii deals agreed per David ornstein. Awb close to West Ham. Good stuff. Now to top it off let's down the Bertie's ?.
1.) 10 Aug 2024
10 Aug 2024 13:54:44
Today's positive news. Particularly the fb. He'll walk into 1st 11 imo.
De ligt will give us better depth and imo is better than maguire and lindelof and probably yoro at this point so better than what we have and we can't complain with that.
2.) 10 Aug 2024
10 Aug 2024 13:56:06
He is something else Ornstein.
3.) 10 Aug 2024
10 Aug 2024 14:27:16
Judging by his injury record he'll limp into the first team.
4.) 10 Aug 2024
10 Aug 2024 14:52:16
Get what you’re saying shappy but I doubt an injury record really matters when it comes to us. York hardly injured his whole career, 2games with us and out 3/ 4 months. Hopefully de ligt will be the opposite.
5.) 10 Aug 2024
10 Aug 2024 15:27:28
Got a feeling we go for De Jong next….
6.) 10 Aug 2024
10 Aug 2024 15:40:52
Throw Tagliafico in and we’ll have the Ajax set!
7.) 10 Aug 2024
10 Aug 2024 15:56:29
Never really seen much of either player. All I’ve got to go on is various people’s opinions.
Granted, most of the opinions are from non United fans. But the general theme seems to be “they are both poor”.
Obviously hoping they are wrong. I’ll wait and see them play.
Only alarm bells are the injury records for both and the fact Bayern wanting them gone, they don’t very often let good players leave.
8.) 10 Aug 2024
10 Aug 2024 18:28:50
Not heard one person say Masraoui is poor, his injury record isn’t great but he’s a fantastic player.
9.) 10 Aug 2024
10 Aug 2024 18:31:42
Fallguy
Who said they are poor. Their fitness records are miles better than our players. urban myths being promoted on this site and so much bs. We are getting two quality players under the new recruitment team.
Shappy
you will be eating humble pie on Mazroui, you are so wrong its not funny.
10.) 10 Aug 2024
10 Aug 2024 18:55:07
Didn’t say it was on here where people said they were poor.
I’ve hardly seen either of them so I don’t know either way.
11.) 10 Aug 2024
10 Aug 2024 19:01:18
Ahmad, am I wrong that Mazraoui suffers a lot of injuries. Here's a list of the year, number of separate injuries and the number of games missed for Mazraoui. You tell me if he's injury prone.
23/ 24 5 19
22/ 23 3 12
21/ 22 4 11
20/ 21 4 31
19/ 20 4 16
18/ 19 2 7
17/ 18 1 4
Since 2019 he's had at least 3 separate injuries every single year missing a minimum of 11 games each season.
12.) 10 Aug 2024
10 Aug 2024 22:46:46
For reference over the past 5 seasons Luke Shaw has suffered 12 separate injuries and missed a total of 96 games for us.
Over that same time period Mazraoui has had 20 separate injuries and missed a total of 89 games.
If Luke Shaw is injured prone then so is Mazraoui.
13.) 11 Aug 2024
10 Aug 2024 23:55:40
I’m sure the powers that be performed the same Google search and are happy with the stats.
14.) 11 Aug 2024
11 Aug 2024 12:38:21
Spenno, hopefully it's not the same ones who thought signing an injured Hargreaves from Bayern was a good idea, or the aging and the increasingly injured Schweinsteiger was also a smart move.
There is a big difference between signing a player like RvN who has had one big injury that has fully healed and signing a player who has repeated injuries over a long period of time.
Players who constantly pick up injuries rarely grow out of it. Look at players like Hargreaves, Jones, Saha, Martial and Shaw at United.
Whether it's a physical thing, a mentality thing, or a bit of both who knows. But these players rarely stop having repeated injuries once a pattern of them has started.
15.) 11 Aug 2024
11 Aug 2024 13:33:29
Well no, of course it's not the same powers as they've all left lol.
16.) 12 Aug 2024
12 Aug 2024 12:41:42
Spenno, most have I think, but not all.
Either way the point it that everyone makes mistakes. I'm hoping that we have better people in place now along with a better structure to support making key decisions. Yet I still expect mistakes will be made, they are part of the course and even the best people working within a great structure make them.
I don't expect every signing to work out, I know some will fail to live up to expectations and some will flip entirely.
Mazraoui if he can overcome his injuries looks like he could be a good signing. Getting a player of his ability and quality for the fee we've paid is very good business.
Yet there is a reason why he was available for such a relatively low fee compared to his ability, and that is his injury record.
The club I think have decided to take a gamble on him as he's needed for a back up role and not as a starter (not to say that if he stays fit and performs that he won't become a regular starter) . They have a player in Dalot who is good enough and can still get better. Which means they don't have to pin everything on Mazraoui being a successful signing and they can afford to take a bit of a gamble with him.
My gut and my head says he'll be good when he plays, but that he will be injured a lot which will limit how valuable he can be for us. I hope I'm wrong, but to suggest signing a player with a similar injury record to Luke Shaw is anything less than a gamble is foolish.