14 Aug 2024 13:40:37
Hi ed002.
Do you know if there is any serious interest from the Saudi pro league in any of our players?
I've read reports that they are looking at the likes of lindelof casimero Anthony and rashford.
Just wondering if you think they will make any offers to united for any of the above?

{Ed002's Note - Casemiro at the right price may still be of interest.}

1.) 14 Aug 2024
14 Aug 2024 13:56:25
I guess if Ugarte comes in then Casemiro has a decision to make.

2.) 14 Aug 2024
14 Aug 2024 15:42:03
ED002,

What fee do you think a deal for Casemiro could be down for?

Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - I am not going to try and guess fees but at 32 perhaps £20M or so.}

3.) 14 Aug 2024
14 Aug 2024 16:47:52
No it doesn't.}

4.) 14 Aug 2024
14 Aug 2024 17:04:06
Cheers ED002,

I think the club just need to sell at a loss a s get his wages off the books.

5.) 14 Aug 2024
14 Aug 2024 17:14:53
Paying him for a year and selling him next year might be cheaper and not generate a loss MH.
Not intimate with the detail but that's what a lot of us don't know.

6.) 14 Aug 2024
14 Aug 2024 17:24:09
It depends, if it's going to cost the club the same regardless of whether he leaves this summer or next then surely getting another year out of him and his experience makes it worthwhile keeping him around for another year.

{Ed025's Note - that is not moving forward though Shappy, thats stagnating mate and if you want to progress you have to get rid of free loaders like Casimero and Anthony imo mate, they are bleeding the club dry..

7.) 14 Aug 2024
14 Aug 2024 18:31:02
Assume we're amortizing his transfer cost at £15m pa and he costs us another £15m pa in wages, and his written down book value is £30m, selling him for £20m improves the bottom line by £20m in the coming fiscal year. That cost has to be reduced by the annual costs of his replacement. A 5 year contract for Ugarte at say £45m plus a wage of £5m year, for a total of £14m a year, still yields a better financial outcome.

These are all complete estimates based on info on the internet but, suffice it to say, if the Saudis are prepared to give us £20m+ for him we should take it and move on. We cannot be building teams around players at the end of their careers. Surely that's got to be the #1 lesson of the last 12 years or more.

8.) 14 Aug 2024
14 Aug 2024 22:28:01
Ed025, I'd love to get all those players who aren't good enough off the books of the club this summer.

But if we did that we'd struggle to name a 5 a side team let alone a starting 11 and 7 subs.

Reality is that we need to ship some off this summer, a few more next summer and probably a couple more he summer after.

Currently Casemiro is the only special-ist CDM we have at the club. We need at least two special-ists defensive midfielders to cover for injuries and to rotate.

If we get rid of Casemiro this summer then we will also have to sign TWO defensive midfielders rather than one.

Therefore, selling Casemiro at a loss and then being forced to buy two midfielders is an extremely costly way to run the club.

Keeping Casemiro for one more season as the back up, while signing a player like Ugarte to be first choice. Makes much more sense. Then sell Casemiro next summer without him counting as a loss on the books.

Just like everyone else, bar City, we need to keep within PSR rules.

Say we bought Ugarte for 45m and kept Casemiro. That is the CDM position sorted for this season at a cost of 45m.

If we sell Casemiro for a 20m loss on the books, buy Ugarte for 45m and Sander Berge for a further 25m then solving the CDM position has cost us 90m with the two players and the loss.

Effectively you can add whatever loss we take on Casemiro to the fee of the player we sign to replace him.

9.) 15 Aug 2024
15 Aug 2024 01:35:03
Doesn't add up Shappy. Casemiro costs United c. £30m a year in wages + depreciation. And if his departure means we have to buy 2 CDMs then surely we have to buy 1 anyway. So you can only compare costs between Casemiro and whoever replaces him. The second CDM will have to be funded by the sale of, say, McTominay and/ or Erickson.

Where are you getting the £20m loss from? Apparently we paid £60m for him on a 4 year contract. He's been with us for 2 so his residual value should be around £30m. Ed suggested we might get £20m for him. I'm sure United will be weighing the extent of the loss compared to the savings. If we can only get £10m for him then my guess is he'll stay, but they are not going to base the decision on the illogical proposition that we'll have to buy 2 people to replace him. If we keep Casemiro and get Ugarte, the bottom line cost for Ugarte is not £45m in year one, it's £9m amortization + his wages. Even if you assume a loss of £20m by selling Casemiro, you have to offset the £30m of annual cost you have avoided.

10.) 15 Aug 2024
15 Aug 2024 01:50:57
Sales appear on the accounts for that year, incoming you can spread across fives year in regards the accounts.

You will be going into future years already having to account for that 15 million of his fee.

Chelsea are committing themselves to having to sell a lot of players in each of the next few years, assuming there are no more hotels to move about on the accounts.

I am not sure why everyone isn't playing hardball with them over buying their players, they have to sell.

We have a number of players who are going to restrict future budgets if we move them on.

I rather fancy there has been a bit of robbing Peter to Paul about us this window, out of necessity admittedly, but we are going to have to sell a couple each year just to balance the books and allow us to be able to spend.

We are still hampered by the awful recruitment over the last few years.

11.) 15 Aug 2024
15 Aug 2024 10:01:03
Oak your forgetting if we sell the players we are trying to sell the wage budget would probably be significantly lower and this in the end is almost as big if not bigger than money from sales.

12.) 15 Aug 2024
15 Aug 2024 19:02:07
I think it's unfair to label either Casemeiro or Anthony as freeloaders.

Nobody put a gun against the heads of Utds recruitment and said they had to pay over inflated prices and salaries.

You can't blame the players for maximising their income as they have a short career and let's be honest we would all do the same as them given the chance.

Both players do try. Casemeiro had an excellent first season but in common with the whole team last his way last season. This year with decent defenders behind him and a stronger midfield ahead of himaybe he will be able to play to his strengths more. Anthony has talent but probably not good enough to cut it at the highest level. flashes of brilliance fail to hide the overall level.

13.) 15 Aug 2024
15 Aug 2024 21:11:37
Salford you are right, that is unfair on genuine freeloaders who have perfected that art.

The surplus to requirements players have parasitic veins running through their bodies. That is a more fair and reasonable analogy of them.

14.) 16 Aug 2024
16 Aug 2024 10:42:23
Cutting Jimbo.

15.) 16 Aug 2024
16 Aug 2024 14:08:03
I don’t know Casemiro but if he has the professionalism off the park he could be an excellent mentor for the younger players and still play a part if we are injury hit. He’s long in tooth but has been a great player and demanded success. If his heart is still in it.

16.) 17 Aug 2024
17 Aug 2024 08:18:30
Get Ugarte in and play Casemiro in Europe, cups and as/ when needed in the league. Let’s be honest, ‘when’ we’re winning 1-0 away at Liverpool later on in the season, Casemiro coming on for the last 20 minutes will be invaluable.

Sell McTominay, bring in Rabiot and that’s midfield sorted, at a cost of only around £15m net:

Ugarte/ Casemiro/ Collyer
Mainoo/ Rabiot
Bruno/ Mount.