07 Dec 2013 20:34:19
At some point you have to blame Moyes. Yes, SAF left a squad in which there had been inadequate investment particularly in midfield, but it was Moyes who fired all the back room staff, it was Moyes who failed to identify and acquire any players to fix the well known shortcomings of the team, it was Moyes who invested 27m in Fellaini and re-signed Nani, it was Moyes who didn't get rid of any deadwood in the summer, it's Moyes training methods and tactics, and it's Moyes who's failing to inspire the players. Whether it was his arrogance or insecurity, these are his decisions and one simply cannot make excuses on his behalf for any of them. You take the job and the money, you take the criticism with it.

We all knew we had latent problems and it would not be easy to take over from SAF, but this goes beyond our worst expectations. As many have correctly pointed out he inherited a team (both on and off the field) that, despite obvious deficiencies, were champions. By firing the back room he lost all connection with and intimate knowledge of the players. Now he is going to have to rebuild the whole team and that's going to take 3-5 years, even if he has the inherent managerial and tactical ability, which frankly I doubt.

1.) 07 Dec 2013
So, do you think its moyes?

2.) 07 Dec 2013
07 Dec 2013 21:18:44
listen everyone. I said this several times in the past. David Moyes is just not the man to take us forward and never will be. if he had the credentials then Everton would have improved years ago and why have none of the premiership clubs approached him sooner. anyway the situation is now very deep and he is out of his depth. the grim reality is now that any players we approach will look at where we are in the table and have second thoughts. also the likes of Rooney and Van Persie will seek other clubs that are competing in the Champions league.
there is no loyalties in players anymore. The Glaziers will be looking at this situation very closely now with ther eye on shares/stock market. Uniteds value will fall dramatically if we don not finish in top 4.

I can see people now saying this is negative and I waited for a period to give moyes a chance but it will not get better with this complete clown in charge

i have seen the bad time guys believe me but we are now at a different level now and certainly Bayern, Barca, Real Chelsea and City would not have allowed this too happen for sure.

Stockport Red

3.) 07 Dec 2013
I think Moyes got it all wrong from the very start. The back room staff were Fergie's men, but they should still be in place for stability. Perhaps Phelan was the one to get rid of as he was the right hand man, but keeping the same training methods etc was important. We can hope that Moyes isn't so arrogant that he won't take Rio's comments on board - he has to for the sake of the feeling in the squad and for the sake of his job. It would be interesting to know who wants him there and who doesn't, I suspect that players like Rio, Evra. The older players with the big personalities will probably be pulling the strings and will still feel like Fergie's men. Moyes is now forced to continue the revolution, he has to cut out who he feels necessary and then he has to sign his own big players.