12 Feb 2014 12:51:12
Disapointment in fans

Morning all, I have been a great follower of this website for some time and even posted in the summer as I found out info regarding Rooneys contract and that he would be staying (then looking for more money) dependant on Utd's season. So far so good.

My point is nothing to do with transfers but as a lifelong fan of United and having travelled home and away for 20 years to date, and my dad for 30 years before me, I am shocked by some of what I read on here. Safe to say that unless you know the ages of some people, (and I have no issues in younger generations making comments) you never quite really know how much of the good and bad times people will have seen. However to this season, in the past 20 years, Utd have never had to consider ousting a manager. We've been spoilt, with the great man ferguson, however all I have heard over the majority of my time following Utd is that we would never as fans be like Liverpool, Chelsea, or City in calling for the managers head, in such a brief period of time, as we understand our history and heritage has been built on stability and the manager being the most important person at the club. Now without Moyes being in the job more than 7 months, people are stating, he should never have been chosen, his tactics are outdated, ferguson should not have got involved in his appointment, he always played long ball at everton and now united do the same.

What? We have been criticised by fans of all clubs for being glory hunters and I never for one understood why. We would always follow the club through thick and thin, and when the time came that fergie would retire (and we all knew one day it would come) we would stick by whoever was chosen, as we knew it would be hard for anyone to fill his shoes. But i'm slowly starting to understand what fickle fans means in football and that maybe the 'Prawn sandwich brigade' actually really are there for trophies and corporate entertainment rather than understanding that United is a religion, based partly on fully understanding the tragedy's the club has come through.

From the ''Bombing of Old trafford'' in 1940 through to the Munich air disater, in 1958, this club has been rebuilt more than once and unfortunately needs re-building again. If you don't see or know this then what are you watching, and why do you believe Ferguson uttered the words of ''your job is to stick by our new manager''. which he has repeted many times since.

We have come back from the brink on many occassions, and i'm sure we will face uphill tasks again.

Stop reading newspapers, listening to Radio shows and scrolling your twitter accounts for negative information on Utd. Go to games, or if not watch them with a clear mind. Sunday saw us set the record for the most number of passes in a game, most forward passes, most crosses in a game and yet apparently our brand of football on sunday was poor. ha ha ha, don't make me laugh. We have always been 4-4-2 and we always will do. We play with wingers and wingers deliver the ball in the box (granted sundays delivery's from Young, Evra, rafael and others were poor - however is this Moyes fault. come on)

I agree certain players aren't good enough or of a united standard. I believe moyes does to, however this was a job that Moyes could never win initially. If he came in and cleared the decks straight away, people would moan, if as he has done, given those that we know are not good enough at united a chance to prove under a new manager, they could blossom, people would moan.

Will Moyes be a success. I don't know, but what I do know is that he won't if fans who crave the here and now succeed in ousting him rather than those that truly understand united, get behind him to give him every chance to succeed.

We may not get 4th, we may not get 5th, 6th, but anyone that truly understands football, and understands how a club who has just made a change after 26 years, will take more than 7 months to re-build, will understand that it will take more than money, and in fact time to once again be the leading team in English and world football.

Rant over. Reply if you wish, football is about opinions and everyone is entitled to theirs, and I respect that, but respect Moyes also and give him time to change what was an overachieving side last year, relying on the goals of RVP. It seems there are issues howeer nobody knows what they are, not the media, nor ex players of other clubs, nor even the majority of ex players at our club, and let's do what as fans we are relied on to do, which is supporting the club you love.

1.) 12 Feb 2014
Great post, really enjoyed the read. You say "We have always been 4-4-2 and we always will do"

Do you think with the right players we can play 4 4 2 and still challenge for the CL and EPL? Is it still an effective system at the very top of modern football?

2.) 12 Feb 2014
12 Feb 2014 14:12:01
Very good post, and for the majority I completely agree.

I honestly believe that his biggest mistake as far, and one that's had the most impact this season, is the removal of the entire back-room staff. I can't help but feel that if he had just stuck with those that served Sir Alex well previously, we'd be in a much, much healthier position. For me, is was too great of a change, too soon. To make a 'transition' successful, the PACE of the transition is absolutely critical.

WF Red Devil

3.) 12 Feb 2014
That post deserved a name to go along with it, mate.

Just a wee word of advice - prepare yourself for the lynch mob. They're a comin!

4.) 12 Feb 2014
As a Utd fan for over 35 years I agree with your comments and posted something similar a couple of weeks ago.
Some of the posts on here suggest that Moyes is stupid, that he knows nothing about tactics and he can't get the team playing well.
He wouldn't have been a PL manager for any clb if all of those things were true. SAF was not the best tactician but that was why heemployed a technical coach to deal with this side of the game. Perhaps in time Moyes will have to do the same but don't people think that Moyes won't be able to work that out for himself?
He has SAF and ex players in his coaching staff who can advise him if they need to work more on tactical play etc.
Moyes needs time and true Utd fans have patience as they remember the bad times of the past along with the good times of the last 20 years.
Utd till I die.

5.) 12 Feb 2014
Sorry guys, the name is Insiderintheknow.

Just a fan like everyone else.

Lynch mob. ha ha. Were all fans and we all see things differently. that's football.

However we should all have one goal, to make sure the club we love succeed's. Do we want this by ploughing bankrolled millions in to the team, sacrificing the youth that have served the club well over its history. no, of course not, however we want the team to do what we all sing about, and know we have . our History.

The glazers need to stump up now as the team needs rebuilding. The biggest crime will be if tehy give him nothing over the summer and carry on as is. Then we can all agree that they are shortsighted.

Like I say, I don't know if Moyes is the right man. I believe he will be given time and there's nothing anyone can, nor should do about it apart from get behind the team.

After all it is our club.

6.) 12 Feb 2014
Insider, a lot of us don't know if Moyes is the man and we all have our doubts, but he's going to be here for a while so coming on calling for his head every day is a waste of time and effort, and just a chance for some people to get things off their chest, to avoid getting arrested for domestic violence or animal cruelty.

I think some were passionately against him from the start, and have laid into him from day one as a result, because they can't accept that Jose or Klopp weren't coming. That's coloured their thinking ever since.

A lot, like me, didn't have him as our first choice, or even our second, third or fourth, and think he has made mistakes, but are prepared to give him the chance to do his own thing with his own team, then judge if he's fit to carry on.

We're also long in the tooth to know that football teams go in cycles - Fergie's reign was just a freak - and that all empires come to their natural end at some point, no matter how much we rail against the dying of the light.

A lot of scaremongering on here lately about doing a Liverpool, and going back to the Sexton years, but I like to think most supporters are just wanting to get this season over with, see what Moyes does in the summer, and see if there's any progression next season.

If there's not, then he'll be away, and the lynch mob can turn their sights on our next manager :)

7.) 12 Feb 2014
Insider - He was my first choice and I was full prepared for a dodgy period. However what I wasn't expecting is how he comes across in the media and how he seems on the touchline. He sounds and look like a man devoid of ideas. Nobody who comes on here knows exactly what goes on in Moyes mind or in his office. I am less than impressed with his demeanour and how he comes across in the media. This is what is hard to take, if he is saying one thing and then doing another, fair enough - but I hate the lies. Nobody knows what's going on and I just wish he would act like he knows what he is doing if he really does know what he is doing! At the moment he looks like a man out of his depth - McLaren at England and I didn't expect it.

8.) 12 Feb 2014
Great post.
Don't agree with it all, think the odd change in formation with the players we have would be a wise move.
But a lot of what you said agree totally with.

9.) 12 Feb 2014
Rooney Must Go

I agree with you, some of his comments to the media is not good and I wish he was more selective in what he says LOL. To be fair they are also taking a lot of things out of context and putting their own twist on it.