29 Nov 2015 12:45:04
United related question for anyone.

What are your thoughts on Ryan Giggs taking over from LVG as the next manager of United? Do you think he is capable of taking us to the pinnacle of world football on par with the likes of Barcelona madrid and Munich?

My take on this issue is that the man fits the bill. he is united through and through. Knows the ethos and fabrics of what our great clubs stands for. He has the DNA of manchester united, the never die attidude instilled by the great busby and sir alex. Giggs would demand total attacking football from players.

He has respect from the club and the footballing world. He wouldn't be too arrogant or stubborn. if he needs advise he can go to a certain sir alex whom i feel giggs sees as his footballing father. I know he lacks experience as he has never managed a team other than the few cameo as caretake after moyes' sacking.

But i think with the right guidance, support and backing from the club, giggs would be an excellent manager for us in the long run. Take a look at barca, they have a current coach who was woeful at roma, got sacked, took over Barcelona and doing fantastically at the club. He was given a chance and he graps it with full hands.

Pep and enrique were all part and parcel of barcelona. It's not like Giggs is an amateur. He has his coaching fifa license badges and he has worked closely with two great managers in fergie and van gaal, so I think he can do the job. I'd like people's view of this, thanks.

1.) 29 Nov 2015
29 Nov 2015 15:26:36
No. I have posted a few times now that I think it would be a massive risk and mistake to appoint Giggs. He would have to compete with Klopp, Mourinho, Wenger and likely Guardiola at City if we went with Giggs. He is an amateur in comparison, someone who managed four games at the end of a season. We don't even know that Giggs is a good number 2.

A word I use a lot when looking at our club is sentiment, SAF was sentimental, the club and our fans are as well and appointing Giggs is sentimental. Sentimental hoping for what we had before under SAF, sentimental that Giggs must have learned from the experience, sentimental that he will stay around for years giving us the longevity we had under SAF and that some people sentimentally long for.

We need to go all out for Pep in summer and appointing Giggs would seriously make me question the club.

{Ed002's Note - Wenger leaves at the same time van Gaal leaves.}

2.) 29 Nov 2015
29 Nov 2015 15:44:14
like and transfer it would be a risk but why not.

3.) 29 Nov 2015
29 Nov 2015 16:04:51
I've said before and I'll say it again, if Giggs needs to earn the right to manage a big club by proving himself elsewhere. Red Man is completely right, the only reason Giggs would get the job is sentimentality and a naive belief that he will return us to the Fergie heydays.

By the looks of things the new manager will have a lot of work and to do in undoing the van Gaal style and bringing in a manager with a few weeks managerial experience is a recipe for disaster.

4.) 29 Nov 2015
29 Nov 2015 16:13:10
I get the impression Giggs is very weak and not the sharpest tool in the box. Undoubtedly he will want as many friends/allies around him as possible if by some miracle he got the job. New contract for Rooney alert!

I did warm to the idea of Giggs, but not now - we need a lot of work, corrective surgery by an expert not a nodding dog.

5.) 29 Nov 2015
29 Nov 2015 16:52:54
Moyes all over again. Thanks but no thanks 😆😆.

6.) 29 Nov 2015
29 Nov 2015 17:34:33
No he is not ready. How many managers have been players under Sir Alex? Bruce, Robson, Hughes ect ect ect. Being a player under a great manager doesn't make you a great manager. Roy Keane was a player under both Sir Alex and Brian Clough yet was a very poor manager.
Bryan Robson has United running through his veins and was a player under Sir Alex and yet never made it as a top manager.

Giggs is woefully illequiped to run our club. He has no experience and no track record. Ultimately nothing to fall back on when things don't go to plan.

He is also too close to the current squad, he has been a fellow player to several of them. He stated he would have given Rio a new contract yet seeing what he achieved at QPR it is clear to see that giving Rio a new deal would have been a mistake. That would have been a decision made on sentiment and not clear reasoned thinking.

If Giggs is to me a successful manager of Manchester United he needs to go and prove he can be a successful manager first. He needs the time away from the club, to give him perspective and to allow the players he used to play with to move on so when/if he comes back there won't be a blurred line in that relationship.

Your son may well have been a passanger in your car many times, he may well have been a passenger in a car driven by some of the best drivers in the world, would you hand him the keys to a Ferrari with him never having had a driving lesson?

Of course not, he'd probably kill himself or other people.

Seeing success and being successful yourself are very different things.

7.) 29 Nov 2015
29 Nov 2015 17:39:54
Agree Shappy - Darren Ferguson couldn't have had a better chance, just the same as Nigel Clough - their dads would have drummed in so much but it didn't equate to much. Giggs needs to be judged on merit not our fanciful dreams, which often flitter away the first moment of trouble anyway.

8.) 29 Nov 2015
29 Nov 2015 17:46:08
You will get the same tripe on here, people who have a go at LVG for not being attacking and they would rather go down playing attacking than being 'boring' and near the top, then you say about giving giggs the job who would be attacking, they are scared of the reality that we could slip down the league. So I wouldn't even bother asking on here, too many people contradicting them self.

9.) 29 Nov 2015
29 Nov 2015 17:54:18
How do you know Giggs would be attacking? On the basis of his few games in charge? Or on a fanciful idea you have about him being an extension of Fergie?

If Giggs has a genuine desire to be a top level manager, he'll go out and prove himself. As Shappy said, we have had many great players, great leaders, who didn't become great managers. It's a purely fantastical idea that Giggs will magically become a top manager without any real experience.

10.) 29 Nov 2015
29 Nov 2015 17:57:33
How do you know Giggs will be attacking?

My worry is it will be the guy who whispers in his ear enough gets played every week (Rooney and Carrick) . He strikes me as easily led, not a leader of men.

11.) 29 Nov 2015
29 Nov 2015 18:50:48
How do you know giggs won't be attacking?
I thought it would be the response from you two
You are writing off every man and his dog.
You want attacking football, I can clearly see that Giggs would give us that, but if the results went against us you would be straight on here telling us the isn't the right man for the job.
You have clearly stated that you want attacking football, so that must be the remit for the next manager in your eyes.
He isn't a leader? What are you basing that on? like you said how do you know he won't be a leader?
In my eyes Giggs has nothing to prove. You say he needs to go away from the club, why? Imagine if he went away from the club like luis Enrique did with barca, failed badly at Roma and did a average job at celta. Imagine if giggs did that over here, would you want him back at our club.? I think not as you give everyone two mins at a job . Sigh.

12.) 29 Nov 2015
29 Nov 2015 19:18:08
Neither of us said that Giggs wouldn't try to play attacking football. You're the one who can see "clearly" that Giggs would gove us attacking football. What has convinced you of this? The only real evidence we have is a few games after Moyes was sacked (inconsistent and tactically all over the place), and his stint as assistant of the most negative United side in our history. Ultimately nobody knows what type of football a Giggs team will play because he has never managed a team at any level or age group. And that's the problem.

The Enrique example is adorable. Because he did exactly what Giggs should be doing. Realised he wouldn't get the top job at Barca, so he left to prove himself. Even though he failed in a few jobs, he maintains that these experiences were instrumental to his current success.

Be honest, what rationale is there for promoting Giggs? What has he achieved as a coach (not a player) that merits the top job at a huge club? My suspicion is that your sole reasoning is down to his playing career and link to Fergie. So as Red Man argued, sentimentality.

13.) 29 Nov 2015
29 Nov 2015 19:32:27
Streaky, I thought it was a genuine question from both Beast and Danny. How do you know he would be an attack minded coach? Your basing that soley on him being an attacking player during his career. There is nothing to suggest what kind of manager he would be.

We know less than Jon Snow about how he would set a team up, about how he can man manage, how he would deal with the media, the pressure of the job or anything about how he would manage a club as huge as ours.

You know why? Because the guy has never done the job other than for a couple of weeks at the end of a season once. 4 games, that is how long his managerial career is.

It would be a massive gamble and one taken out of sentimentality and not based on concrete evidence.

There is no need to take such a gamble, have we fallen so far that no proven manager would be prepare to work for us?

Hiring Giggs would be repeating the mistake that led us to hiring Moyes. Or Wilf McGuiness all those years ago.

Neither of our greatest managers have come though our club. Sir Matt Busby had a playing career that had him play for the likes of Liverpool and City. Could you imagine the stink if we hired someone like Didi Hamman as our next manager? But inspite of that Sir Matt was a massive success. Sir Alex had a moderate playing career in Scotland, but never played for us. Yet can you question the success or the passion either had for the club?

We don't need to hire an ex player to be successful or for them to understand the club or appreciate our history amd traditions.

There really is only one arguement for hiring Giggs as our next manager and that is sentiment. Unfortunately sentiment hardly ever bring you success.

14.) 29 Nov 2015
29 Nov 2015 19:52:03
my first choice would be pep, a manager that started as a manager at barcelona .

15.) 29 Nov 2015
29 Nov 2015 20:02:29
Every man has to start someone in a job, there are plenty of men who didn't have the credentials to go into the job that they did ( mourinho at benfica for example) , by the sounds of it we should give Bruce or Hughes the job because they have gone away and failed.
I'm just willing to give him a go, we have a good squad and I'm sure he would add it.
He has worked with the good and bad in his career, there isn't anything to suggest that he would fail or would achieve, the point I was trying to make was people moan that we aren't playing attacking football, but if we appointed giggs and played attacking and didn't do well the same people would still be moaning. They need to make there mind up.

16.) 29 Nov 2015
29 Nov 2015 20:11:36
Too much at stake for another coin toss Streaky, in fact it's almost like betting on Zero on a roulette wheel. He needs to at least manage a team before giving him one of the most difficult and important jobs in world football. I would love Giggs to be manager when he has proven he is capable.

17.) 29 Nov 2015
29 Nov 2015 20:44:51
I don't think giggs should get the job next but if he did i defo don't think he would be a soft touch!

Personally would like to see pochettino or ancellotti come in next.

{Ed025's Note - giggs would be on a hiding to nothing calvin, the job is far too big for him at the moment mate, great player and all that but the time is not right imo..

18.) 29 Nov 2015
29 Nov 2015 21:08:39
Other than Pep can you name any manager who was given a chance at a top club having never managed a club before and was a success?

Even that is stretching it as Pep did manage Barcelona B for a season before he managed the first team. Giggs hasn't even managed at youth level.

Out of interest would you give Usain Bolt a playing contract? He is a sportsman of the highest level and has achieved massively in his career. So should be give him a 100k a week contract for a few years?

The answer I suspect is no because he has never been a footballer, so why do the same with a manager.

19.) 29 Nov 2015
29 Nov 2015 22:21:13
I defo agree with you ed just stating what type of manager i thi k he would be and that is no pushover

Tbh if we get beat by wolfsburg next week and keep playing like we are in the prem (scraping results) it wouldn't surprise me if we let lvg go and go for carlo (probs just wishful thinking from me)

20.) 30 Nov 2015
30 Nov 2015 03:28:07
Get Bolt in as manger.

21.) 30 Nov 2015
30 Nov 2015 04:38:13
shappy
del bosque started at madrid and has won everything.

22.) 30 Nov 2015
30 Nov 2015 09:04:11
He did, but like Pep he had experience of managing the Real Madrid B side. In his case for many years prior him getting the first team job.

Also it should be noted that both Real Madrid B and Barcelona B compete in the Spanish second divison and not in a poor youth league. So both had actual managerial experience in a professional league prior to taking a top job.

Also both walked into teams with many top players already at the club, in Pep's case he had arguably the greatest Barcelona team of all time with Messi at its heart. And Del Bosque walked into the Galacticos team with Zidane at his peak.

Both had significantly better teams and better players to work with than we currently possess. Both had a massive amount of managerial experience that Giggs does not yet possess.

We want to groom Giggs into the role and yet we give him little to no rope to either work with or hang himself with. Both Barcelona and Real Madrid gave their future managers experience actually managing a side before they threw them in at the deep end. And both were in a better state than we are currently when they did.

The fact that in the last 20 odd years of football only twice has a virtual novice been given a chance at a top club and been a success shows just how unlikely it is.

There are so many better candidates who we could go for, Ancelotti, Conte, Koeman, Pochettino and Emery. Would all be under serious consideration imo. Schmidt, De Boer, Cocu and Simeone would be other names thrown into the hat.

We should be building up profiles of all these managers, then when the time comes we can short list the ones who we feel best suited and if need be speak to several of them to find out how they feel about the chance and what they would do if given it before we make a decision.

23.) 30 Nov 2015
30 Nov 2015 07:36:13
I haven't seen anything from Giggs that would suggest he is a leader let alone a manager.

If you saw the Salford documentary you can't help but be struck by how quiet and slow he us. Giggs I'd a wallflower

Personally of all the explorers the two I have most hope on are G Neville, obviously, and Keane who is achieving great things with Ireland and getting great praise also.

I also think Hughes could do a job at some point, he is doing well with Stoke whilst changing their style fur the better. It's a shame he spent tin at City.

If we get Pep I might even start watching the games again 😁.