04 Jan 2016 19:46:56
i wonder how much the Man United targeted players will fluctuate if the manager and coaching team are overhauled sooner rather than later? Would the club still continue to track and push for these players should a new manager come through the door?

1.) 04 Jan 2016
04 Jan 2016 20:31:18
Well we still pushed for Herrera and shaw and they were moyes players.

As the ed has stated the plan is for Lvg to be manager for the duration of his contract.

2.) 04 Jan 2016
04 Jan 2016 23:01:37
Don't need to look to far for our next manager, he standing next to LVG every game and is called Ryan Giggs.

{Ed002's Note - He could lead the club in to the wilderness.}

3.) 04 Jan 2016
04 Jan 2016 23:46:58
Any manager could, the issue is we still have the Fergie expectations of winning every game and dominating and when results don't go our way we demand change, the issue I had with LVG was not the results but the style and certain issues ie transfers

We need to look long term instead of short term and if means we struggle for a few years then so be it, I rather have someone like Giggs who has United in his blood than the typical foreign manager (the only one I would like is Pep but he certain to go somewhere else)

4.) 05 Jan 2016
05 Jan 2016 06:34:10
Shane

As the Ed said and I agree Giggs could lead the club into the wilderness or mediocrity.

We as a club need to stop looking for the "long term", another SAF, if it happens it happens due to continued success but not because of loyalty. Would you rather have a mid table club bumbling along but have the nice warm glow of having a former player as your forever manager? It's sentimental drivel.

The point people miss with Giggs is that it would be a sentimental choice driven by emotion. Based on that, unlike Madrid where they would bite the bullet and just sack Zidane when needed, we would have no chance of sacking Giggs even if he got us relegated because a bunch of emotional basket cases will sit crying over the legends 20 plus years etc etc. The decision to sack Giggs would be too emotional.

No to Giggs, certainly not until he has proved himself and not at the moment while he hides under LVG.

{Ed001's Note - people seem to have forgotten Ferguson had no connection when he arrived, so why do they want to continue along the lines of Fergie by promoting from within?? Makes little sense.}

5.) 05 Jan 2016
05 Jan 2016 07:01:10
Ed001

I think because the club and its fans seem to carry lot of emotional baggage but when it could be the basis of major decisions I become very concerned indeed. People enjoyed stability, it's nice to have continuity but it shouldn't be the basis of the decision.

{Ed001's Note - you can have stability without it coming from promoting from within. The issue at United is the introduction of Woodward, that is the position that will make instability an issue regardless of who is appointed.}

6.) 05 Jan 2016
05 Jan 2016 07:24:58
I agree, we could have stability from a manager who, like SAF, brings success, but I have no idea how Giggs would do. A good No2 doesn't always make a good manager and we don't even know Giggs is a good No2, certainly hasn't won anything in that role. McLaren, Phelan and Quiros our successful No2's have not exactly set the world alight as managers at the top level but some think Giggs, because he had a good career would be better, on what basis?

I recall Woodward not long after appointment saying something along the lines of we have two teams that could compete to win the league so no need to buy, that went well! However we could see we were looking at massive shortfalls in quality in areas of the pitch and I was concerned about his vision back then. If Woodward doesn't get this right he could also be under pressure and that will not help the club at all.

He needs to choose the top manager that all of us will believe in and give them time. He should not give it to the emotional choice to rely on our feelings, that way neither his nor the manager position will be stable for the foreseeable future, the opposite of what he hopes for.

{Ed001's Note - Woodward knows nothing about football, it is the kind of appointment that destroys football clubs. While he is in involved in the football side of the business, the club will struggle.}

7.) 05 Jan 2016
05 Jan 2016 08:53:32
So appointing a manager every 3-4 years is the right way to go, Mourinho is a poison, you want what's happened to Chelsea to happen to us in 2-3 years time plus the identity of United completely changing, if Mourinho gets it he will be bringing Mendes guys in (look what he did at Madrid), Pep certain to leave for City, which leaves the likes of Simeone, Allegri, Hughes, Pochettino left

Another thing is no disrespect but Fergie only had in 90s/ early 00s Arsenal to compete with, the league a lot more competitive now

I think appointing Giggs would yes be a test but you know what it might sort the real fans from the glory fans out, only one team can win the league and now with 5-6 competitive teams it's going be harder to consistently do it.

{Ed001's Note - Mourinho did not pick the players at Madrid, they have a head coach who coaches players, not buys them. The president is in charge of that aspect, hence why they get players like James Rodriguez when they have no need of them, just because they can. Having said that, Zidane is a different matter and Perez will no doubt listen to him, as Isco, for instance, was bought on his advice.}

8.) 05 Jan 2016
05 Jan 2016 09:35:55
Shane

Your post just accepted mediocrity so you can have Giggs, with the benefit it "might sort the real fans from the glory fans". Yes, some of us experienced mediocrity and Liverpool did too after 1990, lots of fervent fans in good atmospheres but won very little. We need to learn from it or go the same way as we did in the seventies and Liverpool in the 90's.

9.) 05 Jan 2016
05 Jan 2016 10:37:42
Mourinho at Madrid used his influence to get his players, players like Angel Di Maria and Fabio Coentrao were Mourinho signings on behalf of Mendes, Mourinho wanted to create a Super Mendes team full of Mendes players, I suggest reading The Mourinho Book by Diego Torres

I agree Red Man, but their more competitive teams more than ever, all teams have bursts of domination however with more money involved in the league even the lesser teams can compete more, unless one team products a "class of 92" it's going to be like this for a while, I rather we have someone like Giggs with passion for the club, and I don't think a short term solution is the answer.

{Ed001's Note - sorry but I don't have any interest in reading nonsense.}

10.) 05 Jan 2016
05 Jan 2016 11:29:53
Ed001 is spot on Shane88. Your comments are absolute nonsense. What are you talking about? Sorting the real fans out from the glory fans. So only fans who are happy with mediocre performances and mid table obscurity can be classed as real fans. Anyone who still craves success and wants to win titles is not a real fan? . ridiculous. On another note, I think the sooner Giggs leaves United, the better for everyone and then we can move on from this circus. Ferguson was chosen because he had proven ability in shaking up the status quo in Scotland, something we needed to do at the time in England. Quite simply, he was the right man for the job. It's time for us to once again get the right man for the job. I don't know who that is but it sure ain't Giggs!

11.) 05 Jan 2016
05 Jan 2016 14:20:12
Only stating what has happened, it does make sense, why Casillas and Ramos depise Mourinho and how their were a Spanish and Portuguese faction

I'm not suggesting being mediocre at all, I'm suggesting being realistic, I hope we win the league every season but know at this moment at time it be hard, we haven't got the talent to consecutively win the league, but I hope we are putting in a plan for us to able to achieve that, I still believe a mix of youth that gives us a back bone and buying talent is the way to go, I believe Giggs is the man, Guardiola and Ancelotti are the only other two I personally think can do a job, yes Giggs is inexperienced but their Pep only had one year of experience, I think you can either do it or not and Giggs knows the club inside out.

{Ed001's Note - how does it make sense? Casillas and Ramos had been a problem long before Mourinho arrived. At one time they had Raul as part of their clique as well. Madrid really would prefer to have none of the 3 there, but the fans would not stand for that, so they have been slowly moving them on bit by bit. I really do not know where you have got the idea that Madrid's problems stem from Jose and his troubles there, the club has been a mess since they started the Galacticos project and took to pandering to overpaid stars.}