08 Nov 2016 07:22:28
'Luke I know well and Luke's had a really tough injury. He was with us in September under Sam Allardyce and was feeling problems with the leg. There's clearly something.

'After an injury as severe as that, we've got to handle that with care. It's a difficult balance but that's where we have to trust our medical teams. 'southgate on shaw

the lads only 21 after an injury like that he should be given time.
the mental side of things will take a bit of getting over

how many games did shaw miss before he got named and shamed in public?

{Ed001's Note - it is funny I was only reading a new study yesterday that discovered that after any major injury, the brain also requires a rebuild to allow the body to perform, as well as the body itself. So it should be no surprise that some people take longer to get back to their best, just like some people are slower healers than others.}

1.) 08 Nov 2016
08 Nov 2016 07:26:03
I think valencia took even longer.

2.) 08 Nov 2016
08 Nov 2016 07:50:55
What's your take on the shaw situation ed?

{Ed001's Note - he got too much too soon and his heart is not in it right now.}

3.) 08 Nov 2016
08 Nov 2016 08:47:13
So ed, it is not all big bad mourinho picking in on a child half his age as people on here want to beleive.

{Ed001's Note - no, his troubles started before his injury problems, imo at least, his injury problems started because of his troubles. He was unfit, had to work extra hard to lose the flab, and so he was fatigued and picked up a bad injury. Now he needs to recover his hunger for the game to get back to his best.}

4.) 08 Nov 2016
08 Nov 2016 08:57:05
Apparently whilst at Southampton he was known for his take away habits eating junk and not taking care of himself. Broken leg aside as that is clearly bad luck, but there is a clear link between injuries and eating crap all the time.

5.) 08 Nov 2016
08 Nov 2016 09:04:12
Yeah i remember that, it was lvg who called out his fitness in the first season, this is why we need to put a wage cap until a specific age across all leagues.

6.) 08 Nov 2016
08 Nov 2016 09:55:14
I really don't get the outrage of mourinho laying down a marker to his players and what he expects.

Ed, do you know if Smalling and shaw were deemed fit? I have seen the medical team cleared them.

{Ed001's Note - as far as I am aware, they both were fit, physically.}

7.) 08 Nov 2016
08 Nov 2016 13:34:13
shaw was playing well before his injury, it was a bad tackle imo but these things happen .
i had a bad accident on a bike a few years ago and it can take a lot to get over it .
people can say your fine but if you don't feel right you don't feel right, the mental side of things can be a big issue .

shaw is just returning from a serious injury, take in to account how young yhe kid is and how long he was out for it might take a while to find his form.

since he returned how many games has he ruled himself out injured?

8.) 08 Nov 2016
08 Nov 2016 13:49:47
its 2 already if i am not wrong jred, one against england where he got sent back as he told allardyce that he did not feel right and now this and we are just into november.

9.) 08 Nov 2016
08 Nov 2016 14:16:34
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he only come back from a major injury against bournemouth .
nice to see you supporting the players again .
so after an injury like that if he doesn't coming back playing great he should get slagged off.

if he has got pain in the leg he broke he shouldn't be playing.
can't remember people kicking off when he pulled out the england squad .

after the injury the lad had the fans and club should be supporting the player, it could take him a while to get back to a 100% .

10.) 08 Nov 2016
08 Nov 2016 14:24:39
Send him to the reserves to play for 2 months let him regain his confidence and fitness. If he thinks he is above that then he has issues.
The lad had a good talent but Hodgson lvg both called him out on his conditioning well before his leg break so he does need to knuckle down or he won't fulfil his talent.
Back to basics back to the reserves where there is less expectation and pressure and scrutiny if that doesn't rekindle his confidence and hunger then he is in the wrong club and wrong profession imo.

11.) 08 Nov 2016
08 Nov 2016 14:36:42
a one time thing can be excused jred, when signs are it might be becoming a routine then there are reasons to be worried about a player's mentality, blind was also not fit enough yet he made bench, pogba limped off yet he plays 90 mins, i don't think it is wrong of mourinho to question why can't you do what your teammates are doing when it is a difficult time for the team you play for.

12.) 08 Nov 2016
08 Nov 2016 14:55:22
ken
or just fill him full of pain killing injections and make him play .

a lot of players after a major injury take a while to get back to full fitness . really can't see the issue here .

.

"It took him a long time to get completely over [the injury], especially in the fight. He had a little resistance to go into the fights for a long time, but he is over it, "
"There is a basic rule in our game, when you have a big injury before the age of 20, you come back and develop completely normally, once the psychological damage is gone in the head. You never know how big, how deep the impact is psychological. "
wegner on ramsey
who also struggled after a bad leg break .

shaw has only been back for 7 games, what did people expect?

13.) 08 Nov 2016
08 Nov 2016 15:07:37
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", when signs are it might be becoming a routine then there are reasons to be worried about a player's mentality"
he has pulled out of 1 united game, and won't be the first to pull out of an international match, especially coming back from the injury he had .
pogba had a dead leg, soon goes .

after the injury shaw has had, if he has pain in the leg do you think he should be pressued into playing?

14.) 08 Nov 2016
08 Nov 2016 15:16:05
That excuses his performances jred not his mentality, i don't remember ramsey or valencia who both came back from bad injuries shirking at thought of playing must win matches because of pain.

15.) 08 Nov 2016
08 Nov 2016 15:37:38
"It took him a long time to get completely over [the injury], especially in the fight. He had a little resistance to go into the fights for a long time, "

maybe ramsey did miss games and wegner just didn't hang him in the press.


after the injury shaw has had, if he has pain in the leg do you think he should be pressured into playing?

{Ed007's Note - If he doesn't play every time he gets a pain in his leg he'll never play again mate, take that from someone who has had 15 ops on the one leg, 9 in the last 6 years. Even the 10 years between the ops when I was back working on the tool I had pains in my leg every single day, and I wasn't running about a training/football pitch for a living.}

16.) 08 Nov 2016
08 Nov 2016 16:08:29
i think he meant 50-50 challenges jred, not i don't want to play but we both are guessing let's leave it at that.

17.) 08 Nov 2016
08 Nov 2016 16:03:50
ed
if we are 6 months down the line and he is still pulling out fair enough but its 7 games.
how long did it take you to accept your leg was as good as it was going to get and you better get on with it.
ive had to come back from a couple of bad ones myself, not as bad as yours by the sounds of it but it took me a while if i'm honest.

{Ed007's Note - I was back at work and playing golf etc 7 months after my initial accident but 2 of those were spent in physio learning to walk again and I paid for it every night for about 2 years. As you know my leg's totally knackered now and I've needed crutches to get about for the past 6 years or so.
It is a massive psychological battle to get back on your feet but perhaps if Shaw was earning £500 a week and his mortgage was needing paid he'd find it easier to battle through it. It's well known that he's a bit of a lazy arse so is he really prepared to put in the hard graft or is he just going to namby pamby about like a wee girl.
For Jose to say what he did I think he was questioning Shaw's overall attitude towards training and fitness, I don't think he believed Shaw and I'd suspect the medical evidence would back up the manager.}

18.) 08 Nov 2016
08 Nov 2016 19:09:37
i would imagine working for a living would change the attitude of a few of these stars.

{Ed007's Note - Or a hard boot up the arse.}

19.) 08 Nov 2016
08 Nov 2016 21:52:55
He was lazy well before he broke his leg.

20.) 08 Nov 2016
08 Nov 2016 22:28:18
Yeah, the way he was bombing up and down that left flank before his injury, certainly suggests that. As someone else said, before his injury, we were all quite happy that our left side was sewn up for years to come. Now, a couple of below-par performances after 14 months out with a horrible injury, and we're packing him off to the reserves, or getting rid. I know we want success as quickly as possible, but this is getting ridiculous.

21.) 09 Nov 2016
09 Nov 2016 02:03:50
Nou no one is questioning his ability but his mentality is a different issue. As jred keeps mentioning it has been 6-7 months and about 15-17 games in all and he has already pulled out of 2 of them, not exactly great signs.

22.) 09 Nov 2016
09 Nov 2016 11:38:19
Ed007 absolutely hitting the nail on the head.

{Ed007's Note - Thanks mate :-D

23.) 09 Nov 2016
09 Nov 2016 12:48:06
I'm just sick of hearing about the criticism of players when to me it's just. He questioned the players mentalities and rightfully so.

We are on our 3rd new manager and the only consistent part of that is the players have not performed. Mourinho is going in there and telling it like it is. I don't care if he's only been there a few months, he is right.

I understand shaw has had a horrific injury but mourinho is questioning his overall mentality and there are questions to be asked.

These are grown men on massive amounts of money, many underperforming. time that someone tells it like it is to shove a rocket up their ass.

24.) 09 Nov 2016
09 Nov 2016 15:55:14
Angel, no-one has a problem with him questioning Shaw's mentality. We're questioning where's the benefit to anyone, in doing it in public. Where was his public criticism of other players during poor spells? When Rooney's form was questioned, he commented that Wayne's form was just like that of the team, making it a team issue, rather than personal. But then Wayne's an experienced fixture in the squad, and Jose knows Shaw is a much easier target to make an example of.

25.) 10 Nov 2016
10 Nov 2016 05:38:20
nou you are comparing apples with oranges, rooney got dropped has come back a better player, shaw got dropped and all we have are even poor performances, his brother moaning about being dropped on twitter and now shaw pulling out of the team on medical grounds when we are in a bad run of form and clearly medical team have other opinions which differ from shaw's. Why would one criticize rooney when dropping already happened and rooney took it well and tried to get better, while shaw no such improvement was seen if anything things have gotten worse with him.