15 May 2020 16:21:11
I’d love to see football return but I just don’t see it happening. Hear me out.

This virus will be here for some time, we are going to have to live with it and changes to everyday life will continue and new ones will have to be made with people working from home, or social isolation in the office, one way systems in shops, no large groups allowed, masks being worn. We have to get the economy moving and we have to have some semblance of normality but we need to do that whilst protecting people as best we can. So, back to a more normal approach but with safeguards to minimise loss of life.

Which brings me to football (and other contact sports) . I just don’t see how we can have players tackling each other, sweating on each other and crammed into a changing room, without them putting each other at risk. They don’t live in a bubble, they have friends and family who will likely be relaxing the stay at home restrictions so the possibility of catching and transmitting will go up. Same for cricket and even more so for rugby. There is no ‘safe’ way to play football, any resumption brings a risk of and I just don’t see that being sustainable. We already have players who have the virus so imagine if they had been training and playing and had passed it on to their team mates, or a groundsman, or a cleaner?

Golf I understand, tennis too, but team sports that have contact just don’t make sense right now. I am sure the Premier League will plough on and try and resume but I fear it will end badly.

1.) 15 May 2020
15 May 2020 16:53:09
So when would it be safe for football to return? When a vaccine is found for this virus, what if that is not possible?

Normal life will have to resume again at some point and that includes sport and we can't just hope a vaccine or therapeutic will come along to save the day.

I think the football world will be watching events in germany as we all will be, if that goes on without too many troubles, then we will see the prem return in june.

2.) 15 May 2020
15 May 2020 17:18:25
Its crazy tony to be considering it until there had been a significant change in circumstances imo.
If the season ends now it will be a terrible outcome for United in terms of cl qualification but that would not even enter my thought process or consideration.
Id love to see it back and i fancy we could catch Chelsea or Leicester but its not safe. Crowds will congregate too. Particularly when Liverpool win the league or if a club avoid relegation.
I don't think footballers should be expected to take risks in the name of entertainment.

3.) 15 May 2020
15 May 2020 17:33:11
Hundreds dead a day yet the premier league wants to return, bad isn't it, can't tackle while looking in training, no fans for me makes it less likely I'll want to watch anyway. Just bin it off until actually safe.

4.) 15 May 2020
15 May 2020 17:50:49
Fans first filled Stadia such as the Colosseum to watch slaves fight to the death for the entertainment of the baying mob.

I would have thought in the 21st century we no longer expect peoples lives to be put at risk in the name of entertaining the mob.

I want football back as much as the next person, it's devastating not having it and the idea of it not returning for months is not one I am happy with. The form we were in before the break, plus having players like Pogba and Rashford back fully fit makes me think that if the season can continue then we stood a great chance of securing a top four spot, while we were also still in with a good shout in the FA cup and the Europa League. There was so much to look forward to as a United fan.

But I wouldn't want football to start again if there is even the slightest chance that someone could die unnecessarily. It's a game, a game I love, but its not worth taking someone's Mother, Father, Brother, Sister or Grandparent away just for a sport.

I will wait with baited breath to see what happens in Germany over the next few weeks, if there is a safe way then great. But the risk has to be zero for it to restart with a clear conscience.

5.) 15 May 2020
15 May 2020 18:32:28
DSG, I get that and I don’t really have an answer. It’s risky enough that people are returning to general work in ‘safer’ environments, the economy has to get started and the country can’t stay locked down forever. But a contact sport clearly has a much higher risk, so what level of risk is acceptable? I really don’t know the answer but I can see there being a death that can be attributed to football’s rush back which will be unforgivable.

Perhaps we need to suppress it to the point where the risk is acceptable, whether that is now or not is up for debate.

6.) 15 May 2020
15 May 2020 18:53:20
my ex colleague who worked in a lab for 15 years in various pharmaceutical labs in the Nordic countries tells me he doesn't think a vaccine will be found possibly ever as the C.V. mutates differently to other viruses. More likely will be a drug or combination of drugs that reduces the symptoms down to a serious cough-that could affect people by leaving them needing a lifetime of treatment, inhalers etc etc but not kill them.

7.) 15 May 2020
15 May 2020 19:31:58
On the notion of one player passing C.V. to another and that potentially leading to a death. Could that not happen with other challengees and viruses. So will it ever be safe to play a game of contact sport if those are the standards? Shappy just said the risk has to be zero, there are hardly any situations in life where the risk is zero.

Obviously C.V. 19 is the disease rightly getting the most attention at the moment but i go back to the original point of these lockdowns was to make sure the nhs doesn't get overwhelmed not to eradicate the risk of death completely from this disease for the future.

“But I wouldn't want football to start again if there is even the slightest chance that someone could die unnecessarily”. By this logic shappy we could never play football again.

8.) 15 May 2020
15 May 2020 19:43:14
Whether you think football should return in the next few weeks, or whether you don't is entirely up to you. The issue I have, is that why should it return before most people are able to return to work, before children can return to their education, before people can spend time again with their family and friends. It's just my opinion but I think those issues should be our main priority at this current time. Ps the rate has now started to rise again, make of that what you will.

9.) 15 May 2020
15 May 2020 20:37:58
With a sound track and trace backed up by testing its possible to do it safely. Or so the experts say . And let's be honest boys there's none of them on here.

We will learn to live with the virus, influenza comes round every year and has done since the Spanish flu outbreak a 100 year ago.

10.) 15 May 2020
15 May 2020 20:46:21
It’s ridiculous. Even if one player in the team has the virus, end of first game he has given it to about 30 people. Play once every three days and that number jumps to 90 from that person alone with the 30 newly infected ones further spreading the virus. And this is among players only- imagine when they go home, interact with their physios and families, kids go to school etc etc. One player could give the virus to over a thousand in a week before it gets detected. That’s insane when you think about it.

11.) 15 May 2020
15 May 2020 21:05:01
A quick question to any of the eds if they know. The proposed testing and continual tracking of players if the league returns, who will carry out these tests? Club doctors, Premier league doctors or NHS staff?

{Ed002's Note - The clubs will be responsible.}

12.) 15 May 2020
15 May 2020 21:43:43
Sure it will be back but only when its safe to do so.
My personal opinion is that there is no need to force it.
Without fans the is no real boost to the economy in general. Albeit there is a big financial benefit to the clubs.
If it means a July start then so be it.
There can not be zero risk. But it will be about eliminating as much risk as possible.
The risk will lesson as time goes by so delay the restart as long as possible to be as sure and confidant as possible. If the end of this season becomes s very competitive pre season for next season then so be it.

13.) 15 May 2020
15 May 2020 21:43:40
Thanks Ed002 👍.

14.) 15 May 2020
15 May 2020 22:02:00
Seriously should we not just go with what the experts say?

15.) 16 May 2020
16 May 2020 01:30:32
Really? is it not ok to have a conversation and express an opinion?

16.) 16 May 2020
16 May 2020 07:21:28
I think different experts have different views. I read a different stat every day, if the majority of the current cases are in care homes and hospitals then they means we have almost eradicated it from the general population. But, we know players have tested positive recently and Germany had a similar issue.

Perhaps, and this is a wild guess, people get it and have no or mild symptoms. In the past a couple of days rest would fix them but now they will get tested, be confirmed, and then have to isolate.

I don’t envy any government having to wrestle with these decisions right now.

17.) 16 May 2020
16 May 2020 07:55:39
If you can continually test the players etc it seems feasible to me, I read a lot of stuff that germany have put in place and it makes sense to me.
I would rather be on a football pitch in the open air with 22 people that have been tested than in a supermarket for example.
I would rather be a footballer than working on the till in a garden centre in terms of catching the virus.
I don't think the virus is going anywhere, influenza been around for a 100 years now. All you can do is lower the risk to what is an acceptable risk .
I've no idea what that is, thankfully there is better people than me to make that decision.

18.) 16 May 2020
16 May 2020 08:36:16
I think the experts have been found wanting at various times themselves tbh as they are learning about the virus themselves, I think Tony and Ken are right, we don't need to either force an early restart and I personally don't see it restarting anyway with the easing of lockdown I think there may well be an increase in s again before we get to a June start date, makes more sense to me to have kept lockdown and keep football and team sports away and let the numbers continue to reduce to a very minimum first, public health vs a bag of wind at the end of the day, should only be one winner there.
Not so sure players want to play themselves either, there's so many more issues than we probably are aware of aswell imo that may stop a restart of this season at all.

19.) 16 May 2020
16 May 2020 10:30:14
I think it's safe to say that this virus has even the experts second guessing themselves. If we just look at the row brewing regarding schools then we can see that even within our own country there's various different medical views on when it will be safe. Make no mistake we ALL want football and sport in general to return and hopefully when it does (June or later) the risks to all those involved will be as minimal as they can be.

20.) 16 May 2020
16 May 2020 12:12:13
With the incubation period of up to 14 days, how many games would be played in that period? If one player had it, how many would be in contact in that period? Then living with their families, multiplying the possible s. I can imagine the R number in football alone. Then what do they do with future games? Do they say that BAME are more at risk so shouldn’t be included?

I sense the drive to get back playing is money related, how much they may lose by not playing and also to not get sued for all the different interests clubs have. That is understandable but not the right driver to play.

So with all the concerns, we will likely be provided with a glorified five a side tournament type games, after all who wants to get tight marking in a corner, what does the ref do if someone coughs or spits on the floor, take all the players off?

I also can see the benefit to the nation to see sport again and many workers, not just NHS, have been working through this whole period, where it has been difficult to socially distance.

To me if they want to play, they should select a squad, a unit of players, coaches and staff from each club, put them in a 14 day isolation or quarantine before any games start, all the unit together, away from families, like at some world cups for the period of the competition. That won’t happen but it would likely be more safe than letting them play and just let them go home to spread anything.

In the grand scheme of things we have to get out in the world again, or the other social economic impacts will be far worse than the virus. We can’t hide away for much longer, the virus is deadly in less than 1% of cases but it can damage the lungs of an athlete, a highly valued asset, so that has to be considered. Also I read an interesting medical article that said despite athletes being super fit, their immune system can be lowered by all the excess exercise, so we can’t brush it off by thinking it won’t affect these super humans.

If pubs reopen in July, I can imagine games will be banned from being shown, they also can’t allow gatherings outside grounds. There are so many considerations and the most difficult decisions for the government and any authority in our countries long history. On balance I think it is too early to put a start date but we have to live again, we can’t hide until a vaccine or a cure is available, (I believe we will get both sooner than people think) so they will play, for me in July. I would look at the 2022 World Cup timing and maybe start the 20-21 season later to account for it.

{Ed002's Note - It is a very good point about the incubation period. This is the major point raised in the letter by the clubs' medical staff.

21.) 16 May 2020
16 May 2020 12:38:48
Bundesliga players have reportedly been in a 7 day isolation before the season started. You would expect the above and a lot of other issues to be addressed before the epl starts.

22.) 16 May 2020
16 May 2020 13:32:49
Ed, would it still take between 300/ 500 people to get each Premier League game played, even behind closed doors?

{Ed002's Note - Yes. Why would it have reduced?}

23.) 16 May 2020
16 May 2020 13:43:50
I was just confirming. It's not just the 22 players on the pitch and the remaining players and staff on the bench. Those are seriously high numbers.

If clubs want to play their remaining games behind closed doors home and away, 200 plus games with 300/ 500 people needed to get the game played. That seems ludicrous considering the lockdown measures still in place for the general public.

{Ed002's Note - Stewards, medical staff, police, electricians, support staff, journalists, outside broadcast teams, referee teams, chap with the keys to the ground ....)

24.) 16 May 2020
16 May 2020 14:00:27
Its been suggested no more than a 100 near the playing area 300 with in the stadium. although I would of thought social distancing would only been an issue on the pitch during a game
Electrians etc are all being encouraged to go back to work.
Germans about to KO, if people are interested have a look how they have managed, its an interesting read imo.
It could well be the new normal.

25.) 16 May 2020
16 May 2020 14:11:50
I meant it's ludicrous that football is on the radar to return considering how many personal it takes to play one game.

I think if they're defiant to get the Premier League back, it will happen. The real sticking point will be when a player or coach gets it, what do they do? I'd imagine the fixture list won't allow for a 14 day break to isolate a team.

If the league starts back up and we get to gameweek 37 and the league has to be stopped. You mentioned that the league tables standings would go back to before the re-start.

It only works out IF the league is finished. Anything in between and it seems like it could be an even bigger headache than just drawing a line under it now and making plans for the new season.

{Ed002's Note - No, the fixture list will not allow for the period of incubation between games. No, I never said the standings would go back. There will be the first discussion about what happens if the season cannot be completed on Monday.}

26.) 16 May 2020
16 May 2020 15:20:49
How do you propose starting next season?

27.) 16 May 2020
16 May 2020 16:33:03
I don't think you necessarily have to know how to do something to know how not to do it.

We all want to see football return, but just because another country has started again that doesn't mean we are ready to do the same.

There is an on going debate about whether schools should go back, today we have had the highest number of deaths anywhere in the world and only Russia have had more confirmed new cases than us over the last 24 hours.

UK 3450 new cases, and 468 deaths today, Germany's figures for today haven't yet been posted. But yesterday they had 724 new cases and 73 deaths.

We as a society are far from ready to start hosting sporting events.

I don't know how to start football again, but I know now isn't the time.

28.) 16 May 2020
16 May 2020 16:45:31
Let's be honest the truth is you don't know either way.
Neither do I or I suspect anyone else on the site .

29.) 16 May 2020
16 May 2020 17:02:23
All teams start on 0 points and play each other home and away. The team that has the most points at the end of the season are crowned champions of England. All joking aside.

It's been roughly 8 weeks since the world went on lockdown. I find it hard to get my head around a football match being played soon, when I can't even visit my family or friends. August/ September is 12/ 16 weeks away. Look what has happened in 8 weeks. We'll know a hell of a lot more in 12 weeks time.

The pressure to finish the season before the start of the next one is completely unnecessary. People can't do simple things like visit their parents, get a hair cut. Kids can't go to school. Individual's have been quarantined on their own. Societies most vulnerable have been left to die in nursing homes because it's too dangerous to transfer them to hospitals.

I work for the Department of Foreign affairs in Ireland. We deal with Irish citizens who are abroad and any consulate issues anyone has. We deal with queries from the public in regards travel etc. The amount of queries that are "I have a holiday in 2 weeks, can I go? " Are astounding.

A person is smart, people are idiots. There will be a knock on effect if football resumes while people have to quarantine. Football is back on the telly so its ok to go to the park for a kick around. You won't stop fans from joining their mates to watch a big game. You certainly won't stop fans turning up outside of Anfield when Liverpool win the league. Likewise when teams avoid relegation and get promoted.

Right now there is no need for football. In 12 weeks time we should know a lot more. The restrictions on movement, who you can interact with will be widened. The 2nd wave of s may have come and gone in that time.

They have had 8 weeks of meetings and still have so much to resolve. The easiest thing to do (sorry Liverpool fans) is to draw a line under the season. That would give teams an idea of what budget they're working with next year. Give the governing bodies more time to iron out everything that needs to before the start of next season (hopefully August/ September) .

30.) 16 May 2020
16 May 2020 17:15:37
Are you suggesting that it is impossible to tell whether getting 300 people in an enclosed space for every single match isn't as risky as not doing it?

31.) 16 May 2020
16 May 2020 17:46:22
It is about acceptable risk .
The virus is here possible for ever we need to learn to live with it .
Come August it may be on the rise again who knows?
I don't belive me you or anyone in the site knows the answer to your question . Although it seems you think you do.

32.) 16 May 2020
16 May 2020 18:28:31
There is no community testing and tracing strategy in place.

As Shappy says, the and death rates here are well above other countries that have moved to ease restrictions.

Even the R number has begun to creep back up here.

That’s all we need to know to determine that it is not the time to bring back football.

By effectively suppressing the virus to a stable low level, and putting an effective testing and tracing system in place, you can then better protect against future spikes. This is what has happened in countries like New Zealand. The issue here is that people want to put the cart before the horse and start opening things back up before the protective measures have even been put in place.

33.) 16 May 2020
16 May 2020 18:34:33
Tony, you had me at 'sweating over each other'.

34.) 16 May 2020
16 May 2020 19:22:49
Jred, 6 months ago we knew nothing of this virus, 10 weeks ago our government said it wasn't a serious issue, 8 weeks ago our government put our country into lockdown, 6 weeks ago our government said we will have done well to keep the death toll below 20k which they felt was possible. We are now closing in on double that number of deaths.

You are right that know ones enough about this virus yet to make any sort of educated decision on what is an acceptable risk.

The academic and scientific community are learning daily about this virus.

So why when we know so little is it a safe moment to restart a game that will put people at risk, a risk that we can't currently accurately predict?

Personally, I feel the best decision would be to remove the deadline on when the league must be finished, aim to start next season in December/ January and factor in the 2022 world cup and run a changed footballing calendar until after the 2022 world cup.

If then season can be completed before November then great (it almost definitely would be), if not then this situation will have got significantly worse and football will still be the last thing we should be thinking about.

35.) 16 May 2020
16 May 2020 20:17:00
But to honest you have no idea what you are talking about .
Come on pal a few week back you were posting that it was no worse than the flu .
Now your preaching again? Start December's based on what honestly what? Your expert opinion . Things could be 10 times worse in December.
And half the teams broke and folded.

It looks like the actual people who have a clue are planning for June 12 . If they can get everything in place that they deem sufficient and safe why not plan for that?
If things change and they might fair enough, it won't happen then, which is what everyone has said .

2 questions
1 in April germany and there experts said it was safe to return to training and started planning for the season to start . They had an average of 6k a day at the time . Why are they wrong, and you know better .

2 in England we are returning to training and attempting to put in place a safe environment through various means to restart the league .
How can you argue they are wrong when you don't fully understand rates, how the virus is spread , modelling that has gone on etc etc . It does seem a very complicated situation as many people above have stated . But it seems you have it all work out?
So again why are they wrong?

36.) 16 May 2020
16 May 2020 21:04:12
in my own humble opinion I think people would do far better if they listened to the goverment and there advice and not some bloke on a football website or Maureen down the shops or think they know better.
Follow the advice given, stick to the rules and try to get through this as best you can .
If we are asked to stay in the house then do so but equally, if its deemed safe to venture out etc take the opportunity.
There's a lot on the line, peoples lives, mental health, income . We need to come out the other side in 1 piece .

37.) 16 May 2020
16 May 2020 21:21:45
Jred, the UK government bottled the decision to ban all major sporting events for the foreseeable future. They passed the ball to the football authorities. You're letting an organisation that stands to lose an incredible about of money if it doesn't restart govern itself. Of course they will be able to spin it that it's safe.

Imagine telling citizens they can't visit their parents, but all over the country there's 10 Premier league games being played that involve between 3000/ 5000 people. Most of whom will require a test before the next game in 3 days.

You're obnoxious reply of "leave it to the experts" is a woeful argument. You honestly think when there's hundreds of millions of pounds involved that they're thinking of people's safety.

If one person dies as a result of a game of football, then it's not worth it.

38.) 17 May 2020
17 May 2020 02:58:32
Jreds a football coach so ufcourse he will want to watch footie and be in support of footie starting again.

I don't think he is the smartest guy to have a discussion with regarding football and I am quite astonished how ignorant and selfish one can be.

39.) 17 May 2020
17 May 2020 04:24:43
People are coming on the site and advocating ignoring government advice .
It is a kick in the teeth to every front line worker who is getting up every morning and going out and risking there lives for people who can't follow adive and honestly belive they know better.
Its a complex issue yet yourself and others seem to think they are in a position to know better than epidemiologist etc .
So while you are picking and choosing which advice you should and shouldn't follow have a think who is being ignorant and selfish.

{Ed033's Note - depends which epidemiologist you listen to

40.) 17 May 2020
17 May 2020 06:52:30
Jred, do you know what is a kick in the teeth to every front line NHS worker?

Professional footballers getting more tests in a week than they have had in 2 months.

Huge amounts of PPE and tests being directed toward millionaire footballers so they can kick a ball and entertain the fans. Rather than it going to doctors, nurses and care home workers.

You can't come on here and say you're all about doing what's best for those who risk their lives to save ours while advocating increasing the risk of to people putting more strain on those in healthcare and also taking away vital PPE supplies and tests from those risking their lives for us.

As for ignoring Government advice? I wouldn't say it has always been clear what the Government advice is.

10 weeks ago the PM was boasting that he had been to a hospital and was "shaking hands" with people who were infected.

The same PM told us we HAD to social distance in public. Was then seen in the house of commons packed tightly in a crowd of people attempting to speak to the speaker of the house. A week later Boris has caught the virus. Surprise surprise.

First the government wanted to go down the "Herd Immunity" route, then they changed tact when they realised how much damage that would do.

They also placed a senior government official on the board of the supposedly "independent" SAGE group even though said official holds no scientific qualifications.

Now we have a government who feel it is the right time for our children to go back to school, and for us to go back to work, while at the same time not sending their own children back to school and not demanding that all MP's return to the commons.

Our government have successfully contradicted themselves on every major decision they have had to make since the start of this whole situation. So I can have a little sympathy for those who aren't sure which of the government "advice" they should follow.

41.) 17 May 2020
17 May 2020 08:32:14
Your coming on a website and clearly advocating not following goverment advice.
Unfortunately there will always be a minority of people who think they know better.
I don't fully understand what the extra strain on the NHS will amount to, or what position the NHS is in to deal with it .
Do you?
What I do no is my local hospital trust is currently running at 43% capacity which is lowest in living memory.
I have no idea how the ppe situation will be affected. How do you?
My own experience of testing is that NHs staff can get tested on the same day they apply and while it was poor to start with as far as testing of NHS staff in my area there are no issues.
Reports are that any testing run by the EPL will be independent from the goverments scheme.
But the truth is I know very little, when you look at the bigger picture of mental health, the economy, the amount of lives lost due to cancer treatments being cancelled etc, the effects of domestic abuse i could go on and on and then have to try and balance that against what the virus is doing it becomes a very difficult question

There are some very difficult choices to be made and it is no where near as simple as you are making out and my own opinion is you are in no position to make the assumptions your making.
It a difficult situation with some very difficult decisions to be made the best route out of this is I would imagine is a balancing act of all of the above .
I don't envey the goverments position in this but I personally will try to stick to there advice as best I can .

42.) 17 May 2020
17 May 2020 09:33:48
Jred, So what you're saying in short is you have had enough of the lockdown and you are happy to increase the risk to others in order for YOUR life to return to some kind of normality.

The Government started to relax the the restrictions on Monday and we are already seeing the R value increase. If it goes back above 1 then the lockdown measures will need to tighten up again.

But sure let's increase the risk because some people want to watch football again.

43.) 17 May 2020
17 May 2020 10:11:05
No what jred is saying is that the point of the lockdown was to enable the nhs to better prepare for the s that arise from this disease not to eradicate the risk of death completely.

The point of the lockdown was to flatten the curve and spread the amount of s over a longer period. The area under the curve is still the same, i. e. the amount of s and therefore death. The whole point was not to go over the line where the nhs would be overwhelmed and people would die from non C.V. related issues that could have been avoided. The goalposts have clearly shifted.

You could argue looking at the excess death figures not related to C. V 19 that this hasn't worked either.

Also the R value is extremely volatile to the extent that there are questions that it is even a reliable statistical measure to be using to adjust lockdown measures. Its been over 1 in germany since they changed their restrictions and we haven't seen the exponential growth that people were worried about.

44.) 17 May 2020
17 May 2020 10:15:28

You talk utter crap. I will point one thing out that shows what you are writing about the virus and the government is utter nonsense.

You said “The Government started to relax the restrictions on Monday and we are already seeing the R value increase”

Let that sink in, then remember the R value was calculated from data before the measures changed AND the incubation period is up to 14 days so will not have had any impact on the R number.

You come on here like a know all about everything, when patently you understand very little. Stick to what you know.

Hard to imagine but I am more in agreement with Jred. My wife has been out to work every day and is frustrated by the hide indoors mentality being peddled by some, out of fear, fear that has been driven higher by the media, a media that have a lot to answer for in this crisis. We can’t live like this for much longer, there are mental aspects to this as well. Yet you have a go at Jred being happy to increase the risk to others. Life is a risk, your mentality is hide and blame everyone. Who has put food on the shelves in the last 10 weeks? They have not had your attitude thank goodness.

Shappy, I have said before you come on here and tell everyone how to think. You don’t express opinions you try to get everyone to be on your side. Yet go into subjects you are clearly not an expert on.

Whilst I don’t think it is the right time now for football to start, it will be soon, I said July, yet we must start to open the country again or the damage will be far worse than a virus that causes death in less than 1% of cases.

45.) 17 May 2020
17 May 2020 10:24:29
jred in turning a good thread into creating an argumentative one shocker!

46.) 17 May 2020
17 May 2020 11:00:35
Welsh really have a word with yourself .
Redman I fully agree with the above.
Honestly I think your talking nonsense, as I have said above

, when you look at the bigger picture of mental health, the economy, the amount of lives lost due to cancer treatments being cancelled etc, the effects of domestic abuse i could go on and on and then have to try and balance that against what the virus is doing it becomes a very difficult question .
I certainly haven't had enough of lockdown but there are a million different reason and balancing acts to take in to account .

For example hospital capacity is extremely low at the moment, we have even got extra capacity with the nightingale hospitals built up and down the country . The summer period is traditionally less " busy " within the nhs. You could argue the NHS won't be in a better position to deal with a rise in and the uncertainty of coming out of a lock down as they are now.
Fast forward to winter when due to flu season and other annually increases the nhs is already stretched to full capacity, i'm not sure i would want to be coming out of lockdown then .

There is a far bigger picture and I 100% have no idea what the right answer is. Which is why personally I will be listening to the advice of the experts and trying to follow guidelines.
Redman and dsg make some good points above as do many others to be fair .

47.) 17 May 2020
17 May 2020 11:26:39
To me there is no need to guess what the impact of football restarting, end the season, study what happens in germany, learn from their successes and their mistakes and see what the impact on health is there .
The start of next season will more than likely have the same risks as restarting now but we will have learned information from the germans about what the impact is and wether it is wise .
This virus duznt need a big centre half man marking you at a corner, simple droplets in your breath emitted when you speak to someone too close has the same result .
Millions of people returning to work are at risk not just footballers and many of these jobs are not essential the same as a footballer isn't, but germany can show us exactly what happens in football's case .

{Ed002's Note - There is no viable comparison between a country that has prepared and managed the pandemic with far, far fewer deaths better equipment and the UK which has made a real mess of everything.}

48.) 17 May 2020
17 May 2020 15:39:51
I don't need a word with myself thanks for your kind advice tho.
You always turn a thread into an argument, it gets boring, someone has an opinion that's different to yours, get used to it. I have a spoiler for you, your opinion is not always the only one.