10 Jun 2020 18:08:44
"I've asked all the Ole out brigade numerous times to list the mistakes he has made, and no one can come up with any. "

Honestly Shappy, why make stupid statements like this? Have you not been conversing with people over the last 18 months? Ole has made no mistakes? None? Not one?

"Ole has the record for longest unbeaten run". He also had the worst start to a season in 30 years. His win percentage was worst that Moyes, LvG and Jose. Speaking of impressive runs, he also won 3 games in 14 in the winter making him the odds on favourite to be sacked.


"most of our squad have improved". He took us over when we were 6th. Managed to go on an incredible run and get us to 4th, only to finish in 6th. Spent roughly £220 million in two windows and we're getting nose bleeds being so high up the table in 5th. Amazing!

"he doesn't have a fantastic CV (although he has more titles won as a manager than Pochetino) " There is not one professional football club on this planet that would choose Ole over Pochettino, not one!

"so we can't really sack him without making the managers job at United untenable" Moyes sacked the game after we couldn't mathematically finish 4th. LvG sack after missing out on 4th by one point and winning the F. A cup. Jose sacked midway through the season being in 6th place, replaced by Ole who also finished 6th. If Ole doesn't secure Champions League football for next season he should be sacked.

My point and other poster's points has always been that there are better managers available. Better coaches with better track records. As Manchester United we should be trying to appointment the best people on and off the pitch. Right now we have an incredibly average manager getting average results. That you and others are blindly trying to spin into him worthy of this job when he simply isn't.

Imagine thinking our manager has made "No mistakes" whilst we are sitting 5th in the table (could be 6th soon) behind Sheffield United and Leicester having done nothing wrong? Truely Astounding.

But I honestly hope this time next year I am taking abuse from poster for being wrong about Ole, because that means Manchester United will be doing better.

1.) 10 Jun 2020
10 Jun 2020 18:29:33
Triggered much? 😂

Of course Ole has made tactical mistakes that in hindsight he could have set the team up differently or made different tactical changes in game which might have altered the result.

Can you hand on heart tell me that this squad and the feel around the club isn't better now than when Ole first got the job?

You are completely ignoring outside factors. The league as a whole has improved as well. While internally Ole's bad runs have coincided with key players being out injured. Squad depth has and continues to be an issue. When you are one injury or suspension away from having to choose between Lingard and Andreas Pereira then it's clear that the drop off in quality between first choice and second choice is huge.

You are 100% right when you say no club would hire Ole over Pochettino. Yet when people argue that you should be hired on the basis of what you have won, well Ole has won more. Which undermines the CV point.

There are definitely better managers out there. Just as there are better players. Di Maria was a better player than most we have currently, certainly better than any option we have for the RW atm. While LvG is a better manager than Ole.

Both failed, you need to understand the difference between being measurably better and being the right fit for the club.

Other than being tactically naïve at times (although often good enough to get results against the best managers in the league) Ole has made very few mistakes.

I wrote plenty of things Ole has done well

"Recruitment has gone well under Ole, the players who have left are players everyone has wanted moving on for a long time, Ole has the record for longest unbeaten run, generally we play better football, most of our squad have improved, we now have a captain who seems right to be a United captain, he has given many academy lads game time and has seen a couple make their mark in the squad. All this while changing the feeling around the club and bringing the right attitude back to the dressing room"

As seen. I called out posters to list the mistakes he has made. You have managed to spend half an hour of your time reading my post, then writing a long reply and yet you have done exactly what I said. You've argued a point without being able to list all these terrible mistakes Ole has made.

Thanks for proving my point darling 😘.

2.) 10 Jun 2020
10 Jun 2020 18:51:05
You 2 are as bad as each other. For Shappy, Ole can do no wrong, for Mumbles he can do no right.

I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle, an inexperienced Manager thrown in who saw a dead cat bounce (a very very big bounce), but who lost his way and didn’t seem to be able to fix it. Some games he has been tactically astute, others he has been lost. He’s moved some problems on, and the signings have been excellent. I’m not convinced either way but you 2 squabbling, sheesh.

3.) 10 Jun 2020
10 Jun 2020 19:12:01
Oh Lordddddddd. Not another Ole is clueless, lacks a CV, has no experience debate. We already know that. No need to be reminded continuously. When the club deems it necessary they will make a change. Until then Ole is manager. If you'll can't deal with it start a protest against the manager to get him out the club. Does Hansi Flick have an impressive CV as a manager, the answer is no but yet he is given a chance to manage the biggest club in Germany. A club of Bayern Munich's stature should be looking for the best manager around, yet they have decided to give their assistant manager a chance. It may or may not work out but the point is he was given a chance.

4.) 10 Jun 2020
10 Jun 2020 19:29:55
I think it's too early to judge Ole just yet. The season isn't over, we're only 3 points behind Chelsea in 4th whilst still being in the Europa League and FA Cup. We still have a lot to play for and in some regards our season is really just beginning.

I don't think anyone expected a title challenge so a top 4 finish, playing a better brand of football and a good run in all the cup competitions would probably have been considered success at the start of the season.

Results in the league have remained frustratingly inconsistent. I can't say with all honesty that the football has been much better than the rigid, robotic and unimaginative stuff offered up by Mourinho, LVG and Moyes before them. Having said that we've suffered an horrendous injury record where we have been deprived of our best players for long periods of the season.

The brand of football and results have definitely improved since Fernandes was signed in January and players such as Fred, Mctominay, Greenwood and Williams have all made great strides. I would argue that both Rashford and Martial have proved they both have the ability to go to the next level and have looked devastatingly good on occasions especially when they have played together.

The recruitment under Ole has been solid. Maguire, AWB, Fernandes and James have all (so far) been very good and improved both the team and the squad. I give Ole some credit for that and whilst he might not be solely in charge of recruitment common sense dictates that as manager he must have some kind of significant input.

With a fully fit squad to choose from, being well positioned in both cup competitions and the race for the top 4 I think Ole now has to deliver and demonstrate that he is the man to take our Club forward. He must seize this opportunity to silence his critics and make us believe in his project. If he suffers yet more inconsistency and we end up with nothing then the Club will have a very important decision to make in the summer. Our season really does start now!

5.) 10 Jun 2020
10 Jun 2020 19:33:33
Well if the structure is as much of a mess as has been reported on here, then surely the manager is the least of our concerns at the minute.

I guess it's just a case of bumbling along hoping one day the right decisions are made and the club sorts itself out.

6.) 10 Jun 2020
10 Jun 2020 19:52:57
Ole out, Poch in.

7.) 10 Jun 2020
10 Jun 2020 20:16:07
Plenty of signs we have taken a step in the right direction.

8.) 10 Jun 2020
10 Jun 2020 20:25:48
Before long Shappy will be telling us OGS is the next great manager. As to mistakes, multiple, never ceases to amaze me about who agreed Pereira should have a new contract? I can’t be bothered listing errors, Shappy wouldn’t agree anyway.

I said on here multiple times that Ole set the team up negatively at times, can be effective in big games when we can break at pace against a team pressing us but isn’t astute enough against other teams we are expected to beat. How many times has he shown his in game management is poor, can’t think on his feet.

If it was any other manager, there would be few happy. It says something when the peak of excitement is possibly scraping top four. We may scrape top four, but it only puts the issue off for another season whilst some top managers are available now. Ole needs to win something and get top 4 to justify staying for another season.

9.) 10 Jun 2020
10 Jun 2020 21:09:03
🎣🎣🎣🎣 oh look I've got another on the end of the line. How you doing Red Man? Nice of you to rock up and say exactly what you've said a thousand times before and still prove my point by failing to list Ole's failures. Tch tch, I kind of expected more. Come on Sweetheart, you can do better than that.

Tony, I know I write a lot and getting through it all can be tiresome. Buy I literally said in the second line of my reply that Ole makes tactical mistakes both pre and in game. I also say I don't think Ole is the right long term option.

Where I differ though is that I can see progress, and I don't believe in firing someone who is going in the right direction. I appreciate not everyone has as much patience as me. While those detractors have yet to actually list all the mistakes Ole has made which are so bad that they require is immediate removal.

I'm still waiting 😘.

10.) 10 Jun 2020
10 Jun 2020 21:16:42
Inexperienced manager and not qualified for the job. Completely acceptable position. But he’s in it now and will be judged on results. Champions League qualification, however achieved, will be the yardstick he’s judged against.

Personally I think there are good signs for us going forward. We were really starting to click pre CV and clearly Bruno Fernandes has galvanised the team. As much maligned as he is we’ve missed Pogba for the majority of the season and Rashford out for a few months also. Need to remember Ole has been addressing improving the first team and squad overall as well as blooding some cracking youth prospects.

I think we remain a few positions short of seriously challenging but we’ve recruited exceptionally well in Maguire, Wan-Bissaka and Fernandes.

We have 9 games in the league plus latter stages of FA Cup and Europa. A fully fit squad.

We could finish 4th and win 2 cups. We could finish 10th and win nothing.

The time for Ole out or in is when the season is concluded.

11.) 10 Jun 2020
10 Jun 2020 21:53:20
I’ve logged on for the first time in a while and absolutely nothing has changed. Such a boring, tired debate.
Let’s see how we do 5 games after the restart, then start the ole in/ out debate.

12.) 10 Jun 2020
10 Jun 2020 22:42:36
Lots of long posts. All I’ll say is OGS is a massive breath of fresh air compared to Moyes, LVG and Jose. Hoping we
Improve even more under him as we had been doing prior to lockdown. He’s developing a quality, young squad whilst moving on all the players nobody on here wanted.

13.) 10 Jun 2020
10 Jun 2020 23:40:37
I'm not overly keen on having ole as manager personally but the business being carried out in the transfer window seems to be heading in the right way since his arrival and if there are enough good players and match winners on the pitch all he has to do is pick the right team and we should beat like 90% of the league.

14.) 11 Jun 2020
11 Jun 2020 02:19:53
I am not Oles biggest fan but i understand that Ole is a part of a plan. Promote youths, buy players who wants to be here, buy British etc. But for some people who wants him sacked i think the question must be what he didn't rather what he did wrong. He didn't play attacking-aggressive football and he seems that being underdog suits him, at least until now.

Some will say that he has not the players to play the brand of football that we all want and i agree to an extend. But the same was said about Mourinho etc, it seems that we like excuses. The truth is that a manager with clear ideas and philosophie train the team based on his ideas from day one like Klop did when he took over, if players aren't good then results ofcourse aren't good, like Liverpools when Klopp took over.

But the identity was there from day one and ofcourse with better players results improved. I hope to finish strong the season in top 4 and with a trophy, Ole to grow in his role and be with us for 20 years. Who doent.

15.) 11 Jun 2020
11 Jun 2020 09:14:25
here we go again about getting rid of the manager.

i miss the Rooney debate.

16.) 11 Jun 2020
11 Jun 2020 10:48:56
I believe Ole has done more right than wrong.
By the end of next window, we will get a clear picture of the team he is trying to mould.
There is now a genuine togetherness in the team and a positive atmosphere.
The atmosphere especially after the win against City was something else.

We have seen glimpses of the team's attacking play.
Now with Bruno, we have found more consistency. Let's wait and watch if we can continue this momentum.
The team has looked better and better as the season has progressed albeit injuries to key players.

We must not forget that we're still in 2 cup competitions and an open top 4 race.

17.) 11 Jun 2020
11 Jun 2020 14:05:12
Ole has become a better manager in the last 8 weeks than he ever was while we were playing.
He has no improved us at all.
He will be given more time that much is clear so as supporters we will just have to live with that even tough some may not necessarily agree.
If we get top 4 he will be given another year for sure if we don't he might be fired and he might not.
His 5 signings have been decent and bruno looks very good.
Im not convinced by ole, i'm not convinced he would manage this Liverpool squad to the title if he were their manager.
But he will be given more time if we fail to get into cl next season he should be fired imo but if he's not ill just have to hope he does better next season but i'd have very little confidence in him.

18.) 11 Jun 2020
11 Jun 2020 15:55:54
To be clear before i try to make a point. At the moment the jury on ole is still out for me. Maybe I will have more to go on once the season ends. As it stands he is our coach and has my support.
Mumbles I read this line in your post "My point and other poster's points has always been that there are better managers available. Better coaches with better track records. " twice.
And it had me wondering have we not tried those already?
1. Moyes - EPL experienced manager with consistency.
2. LVG - Certainly a better coach with a better track record.
3. Mou - Another 'better coach' with a great track record.

This why for me I want at least one full season under Ole before i decide.
I agreed with Moyes sacking simply because his former team Everton were suddenly better than us.
Agreed with LvG's sacking because Utd's game became a snore-fest
Had no issue with mou's departure because the whole team seemed toxic.

At least with Ole; I sense the camaraderie in the team, which has been missing since Fergie left. If ole can instill this aura in the team, then it is a step in the right direction.
Maybe if he is to leave, he leaves a TEAM behind and not just a collection of players.