05 Jul 2020 10:57:38
Back on the CB debate.

I honestly think we need 2 top CBs if we want to get to challenging again. This is our weakest part of the squad by far.

Maguire is an average defender of which we wouldn't see no difference if we had Tyrone Mings, Nathan Ake or Lewis Dunk in our team I'd put him in that category. Average CB that can do a decent job. That's all he is.

The amount of goals that's been his fault this season is shocking.

He's decent in air and on ball but everything else he's poor especially his positioning. he's all over the place and gets caught out a lot, That's the reason he looks far better in a back 5 as he has more cover.

Moving up the field.

I think if pogba stays, we've got enough quality in the CM areas. Could be greedy and go for a world class CDM but we know that won't happen.

If we sign Sancho it could be a game changer and with Greenwood being as good with both feet he will get game time in any of the front 3 positions.

Bring Henderson back sell De Gea
Sign 2 CBs
Sign CM if Pogba wants to leave.
Sign Sancho.


1.) 05 Jul 2020
05 Jul 2020 11:11:23
Ah I see it’s Maguire’s turn to be on the end of the wrath of this page, he’s made a couple of mistakes since the restart and now suddenly he’s Tyrone Mings.

Scored 5 for the first time since 2011 yesterday, we look like a team who can score more than they let in and the majority of the time they don’t let any in.


2.) 05 Jul 2020
05 Jul 2020 11:19:41
Very reactionary that on maguire imo. He’s not in Van djik’s class and the fee isn’t his fault. If we paid 40 million people would say he’s been a good signing.


3.) 05 Jul 2020
05 Jul 2020 11:47:33
Maguire is usually ok - good. Makes the odd mistake. Kobially beside him and forget Sancho now Greenwood is showing his worth? Pogba to stay. Slightly worried about De Gea. Add Grealish.


4.) 05 Jul 2020
05 Jul 2020 11:44:15
Gds its always someone's turn .


5.) 05 Jul 2020
05 Jul 2020 11:53:46
You're right GDS2, summed it up there, he's made a couple of mistakes since the restart even though we've only played a handful of games, that in itself is shocking. Let's also ignore how crap he was before lockdown.

It can't be reactionary Coalan if he's been doing this all season though.


6.) 05 Jul 2020
05 Jul 2020 11:55:40
Wilbot - Please evidence all the grievous and shocking mistakes Maguire has made this season. I think he deserves a fair trial before he's consigned into the realms of mediocrity alongside the likes of Tyrone Mings!


7.) 05 Jul 2020
05 Jul 2020 12:08:45
Scholes

I thought he was very good before lockdown, his stats and the teams stats back that up as well to be honest. As said above, people see what they want to see.


8.) 05 Jul 2020
05 Jul 2020 12:55:50
His best period was Christmas till lockdown since and before he was average.

He's not and never will be a top CB.

He's average and always will be, we paid over the odds of which couldve of got the likes of Lewis Dunk who's just as good for more than half that fee.

He backs off players allowing them to run and have space. His positional awareness is awful.

Off the top my head without going back there's games like Norwich although Mctominay lost ball was still poor from Maguire after. 2 goals against Sheff united, one were he allowed mousett to run at him and let him shoot the the mcburnie goal the wasn't at the player and made a poor attempt to block the shot. the goal yesterday and the spurs goal to name a few I could probably rewatch a few and point out more.

The midfield and attack seems to be getting in the right direction but the defence especially the CB position we need two top CBs not to ok cbs.

We all want to win titles and get to the next level and for me Maguire isn't good enough.


9.) 05 Jul 2020
05 Jul 2020 13:06:43
It's not about calling out different players.

It's just moving forward especially in midfield and attack were building something specially and have adequate back up in some areas.

Leicester fans even said Jonny Evans was better than Maguire they've also done better without him. They also mentioned how Chilwell always got him out the trouble countless times over the season.

We need 2 top CBs and a RW to try compete for me.


10.) 05 Jul 2020
05 Jul 2020 13:20:36
Wilbot would you be happy if we signed otamendi gomes lovren stones etc all title winning cbs over the last 2 seasons?


11.) 05 Jul 2020
05 Jul 2020 13:55:34
Maguire's individual mistakes this season DLIB

Hernandez skipped by Maguire with ease to score for Norwich in our 3-1 league win.

His awful clearance led to a corner against Wolves in august which Neves scored from.

Nutmegged yesterday before Stanislas scored

Getting megged by Giroud which led to Kovacic almost scoring at the bridge

Outmuscled for the 2 goals Burnley scored at OT, a game in which we lost.

Partially at fault for the Longstaff goal at OT, but we won 4-1.

Got annihilated by Bergwijn in our 1-1 draw.

This doesn't include the huge mistakes he makes when he's gifted the ball to the opposition when he tries playing out from the back.


12.) 05 Jul 2020
05 Jul 2020 14:01:57
You’re right scholes. Turf him out and get Jones back in there.

{Ed004's Note - Honestly feel what you've done there for Maguire above Scholes can be done for every single player in the squad including Bruno. Every player is going to make mistakes. He's played his first season in a new squad, had to deal with a very inconsistent team for vast majority of the season (Matic out of form, Pogba/Rashford/Martial all missing games with a midfield consisting of Lingard/Andreas for vast majority of it) yet we sit with either 2nd or 3rd best defence in the league. This is all without factoring in our keeper being the reason we conceded about 3 of the 4 or so goals we have conceded in last 10+ games played.

Don't have the time currently to check the stats but feel like on the site there always has to be some player targeted or scapegoated}


13.) 05 Jul 2020
05 Jul 2020 14:28:59
What's the point Coalan when we can just get Smalling back? 😁.

I think that's a fair assessment Ed to be honest, i've just highlighted his major mistakes that led to a goal and not his poor positioning or awol passing. It is what DLIB was asking for aswell. I hope he improves but he's 27 and should be in his prime, hopefully this isn't IT.

{Ed047's Note - I honestly don’t think it’s about stats and who else played, made mistakes or wasn’t in form.

Maguire just isn’t a top top defender, to a degree he shone out at Leicester and yes he has England caps but then so do a lot of players you wouldn’t consider for United.

He’s clearly not absolute rubbish but he’s also not even close to the VVD’s, Laporte’s and Koulibaly’s of this world mate.

I don’t think it’s making a scapegoat of him, it’s just pointing out he really isn’t that great, or even as good as some would like him to be.


14.) 05 Jul 2020
05 Jul 2020 15:09:20
KoulibLys is serious overrated on the site .


15.) 05 Jul 2020
05 Jul 2020 15:56:15
He put the ball out for a corner which they scored from, amazing, heard it all now.

{Ed004's Note - Also have to agree on the Koulibaly point. Hes had some shockers this season which would have resulted in pelters on here.}


16.) 05 Jul 2020
05 Jul 2020 16:05:42
Nobody doubted that 80m was an outragous fee top pay for maguire.
He does get caught out from time to time and has his limitations. I still think he has done ok and as a unit they have done ok.
It could be and needs to be better.
We are attacking more so the defenders will be exposed more.
We are playing a higher line too which can leave defenders exposed.


17.) 05 Jul 2020
05 Jul 2020 14:51:51
It's the typical response if you criticise a player Ed047, i'm making him a 'scapegoat'.

{Ed047's Note - I get that mate but sadly people don’t like to admit one of their own isn’t all that and Maguire simply isn’t all that.

Yes he’s a unit, yes he can head the ball but gets done so easily by quality players.

But if peeps think he can take you to the big trophies well I can only say good luck with that.


18.) 05 Jul 2020
05 Jul 2020 17:08:41
I mentioned it because he completed f'ed up the clear GDS, not because he simply cleared it out for a corner. Funny how that's the only mistake you focus on.