08 Aug 2020 18:56:05
So Juventus sack an experienced manager who has just won them the league.

Sone on here mocked that they wouldn't come in for an inexperienced manager like Ole. That they wouldn't mess about and hire someone like Pochettino.

Even suggesting that we might have to move on Pochettino soon or miss out on him.

Yet by the looks of it they are going for Pirlo, a man even less experienced than Ole.

Also how many top jobs will Pochettino be passed over for? Barcelona have no interest, Juventus seemingly don't. Bayern didn't bite earlier in the season when they were without a manager. Arsenal didn't go for him, probably for the obvious reason.

PSG will likely change their manager soon. If they pass over Pochettino where does that leave him to go?

{Ed002's Note - It is not as simple as that at Juventus.}


1.) 09 Aug 2020
09 Aug 2020 23:37:06
So how is it, Ed?

{Ed002's Note - Unimportant.}


2.) 10 Aug 2020
10 Aug 2020 11:16:02
Poch was never going to Barce so scratch that off your list of beat downs.


3.) 10 Aug 2020
10 Aug 2020 13:06:28
Dj. Being an espanyol player and ex captain he has said he would never consider going to barca.


4.) 10 Aug 2020
10 Aug 2020 13:18:48
DanJames, the point is that Pochettino is supposed to be this highly desirable manager who everyone is going to snap up, yet many top sides have already passed him up.

In the case of Juventus they would rather hire a complete novice with no senior management experience but with an attachment to the club over a man who took his side to the UCL final last year.

Maybe when stepping back and viewing Pochettino's managerial achievements, they aren't as solid as many would think. He has won less than Ole had as a manager, been sacked just as many times.

How he lost the title to Leicester a few years back was a pretty bad capitulation. Add to that choking in two cup finals. What does his career add up to?

Some good football at Spurs, and two cup runs to a final. He gave a few kids a chance, but many had started to regress before he was sacked. He took over a good side, got the best out of it for a couple of years, then the side started to go down hill as he integrated more and more of his signings into the side.


5.) 10 Aug 2020
10 Aug 2020 14:20:06
Shappy

Not everyone on here wants Poch but when doing your comparison I didn’t notice Poch having a relegation on his C. V or did I miss it? Now you seem to have him behind Ole due to Ole’s success in the Norwegian league. Or is it that Ole gets 3rd so now is better than Poch, do you really think that?

Before claiming the high ground I would wait and see where Poch ends up. Very good manager, highly thought of and is probably waiting for the right role, perhaps Juventus wasn’t what he wanted and made it clear, consider that as well.


6.) 10 Aug 2020
10 Aug 2020 14:38:40
Spot on Shappy about Pochettino. He does play good attacking football that’s very easy on the eye. But ultimately he’s won precisely naff all with it. I’m not seeing how Ole gets all this PE Teacher stick yet Poch is held up as the Messiah on frankly bugger all evidence.


7.) 10 Aug 2020
10 Aug 2020 15:03:06
Red man, I know that. It's more pointing out that it's all just an opinion and no one is technically wrong.

While I agree Pochettino looks a good manager, he has won nothing, even when presented with three good chances (the league Vs Leicester, FA cup Vs Chelsea and UCL Vs Liverpool) .

Ole has an connection with our club and I am under no illusions that it is that connection that got him the job. Yet people are very quick to dismiss Ole as a manager because he got the job based on a connection with the club. Yet Pep got his chance at Barcelona due to his playing career with the club, Zidane the same at Real Madrid, Lampard at Chelsea, and now Pirlo at Juventus.

It happens and those managers can go on to be successful with that club.

I just think it's very short sighted to dismiss Ole due to his "connection" with the club. Maybe even that connection might be useful in trying to bring back some of what we lost.


8.) 10 Aug 2020
10 Aug 2020 17:20:06
Shappy

You mention Pep and Zidane, Pep had Messi at Barca, Zidane had Ronaldo, take those two out and see how they would have gone on. Even so they both displayed good tactical awareness and in-game management.

Ole got the job based on sentiment, but I think it is his lack of tactical and in game management is still obvious.

We lost one of the greatest leaders, man managers ever, impossibly to bring it back, setting the right attitude is only one part.


9.) 10 Aug 2020
10 Aug 2020 18:36:07
Red man, in my opinion there is only one man currently managing who has proven he can create the atmosphere, the drive, the style of football, embrace a youth culture and produce a winning mentality that United fans would be happy with and that man if Jürgen Klopp. A man who also happens to have a relegation on his CV by the way.

There are other good managers out there. Pep ticks nearly all the boxes, but I think he struggles with longevity at one club, some people find his possession based style boring, while his record with giving youth a chance is patchy.

Other than them two I don't see anyone who is a close fit.

Your choice of Simeone isn't someone I see working out. He's brash, doesn't speak English, has a defend first style, has a so so record with youth players. For me he is a mini Mourinho but without the huge number of trophies. One league title in Europe in 2014. While he's been at Atletico for 9 years now, which to me suggests either a lack of options to leave or a lack of ambition from Simeone to challenge himself elsewhere.

I can see him being successful for a spell in Italy, but does he have the nous to outsmart the tacticians once they figure him out?

So who else is out there who ticks all the boxes? I don't see anyone. So which boxes do you compromise on?

Do you go for short term pragmatism, managers who have won titles at multiple club's who can just get the maximum out of what we have. Or do we go for the purists manager, someone who is looking to build something more long term?

Ultimately whoever is manager will likely come up short if the club isn't built towards a United future. We need a plan, we need everyone pulling in the same direction, and we need the right people in the right positions behind the scenes to put this in place.

Until they are there the reality is we stand little chance is building something that will be more than a flash in the pan.

Ole steadies the ship, he unifies the dressing room, gets the players working harder and performing better, he gives youth a chance meaning we aren't at the mercy of transfers for every bright spark.

If he learns and develops then maybe he can bring some success to the club. If not then he will leave a squad much more in keeping with what a United squad should be and in better condition than when he arrived.


10.) 10 Aug 2020
10 Aug 2020 20:06:33
Shappy

So Pep doesn’t stay anywhere long enough, Simeone stays somewhere too long, doesn’t challenge himself and Klopp isn’t available, so the only option is Ole.

When SAF went to Scotland he broke the big two and that is what Simeone has done with AM.

He won the Argentine Primera Division both with Estudiantes and River Plate. Athletico Madrid, won La Liga, the Copa del Rey, two UEFA Europa Leagues, two UEFA Super Cups, and also being runner-up of the UEFA Champions League twice. He has also finished above the big two. But but I hear you say, Ole won in Norway.


11.) 11 Aug 2020
11 Aug 2020 17:03:18
I’m happy with OGS right now thanks. When he’s gone, I’ll worry about who’s next. We keep changing managers and frankly OGS has done nothing wrong yet to suggest we should move him on. He’s got everyone playing better than when Jose was here. Couldn’t care less if nobody else would have appointed him.
No premier league side other than chelsea would have appointed Lampard, same with arteta at Arsenal, and now Pirlo at Juve etc.