17 Mar 2021 16:42:18
According to our illustrious leader. Winning trophies is more of an ego thing and doesn't necessarily show that a club has made progress and that a league position is a better gauge of progress made. What do you guys, Ed's included think of that statement.

1.) 17 Mar 2021
17 Mar 2021 16:49:27
I can see the point he is trying to make.
Does a winning run in the fa cup show progression in the same way league position does .

Knock out football is different, teams don't play against the same teams, limited number of games etc .

Would you rather win a cup or finish high in the league is one discussing

What shows better progressing league position or a cup run is a different one.

{Ed077's Note - for a guy who has lost 4 out of 4 semi-finals, surely winning a cup is progression. Or am I an idiot?}

2.) 17 Mar 2021
17 Mar 2021 17:02:05
77 surly there is more than 1 side to the argument?

I can see the point he is trying to make especially when you see the full interview. obviously some can't or don't.

I do wonder if it's got to a case on the site that anything he says is wrong 🤷‍♂️.

{Ed077's Note - so will you accept finishing in top 4 forever without winning any trophies for say a decade?

My thinking is winning trophies brings more confidence to the whole squad, breeds a winning mentality. Finishing far away from 1st is not much progression whether you end up finishing 2nd or 3rd. I would rather finish 2nd than 3rd again this season but for me we are a club built on winning trophies.

Winning say an FA cup isnt the only way of showing progression but trophies are what is remembered and judged by. You know what I want OGS to "apologise" properly cocking up the UCL group after the first 2 matchweeks by going out and winning the Europa.}

3.) 17 Mar 2021
17 Mar 2021 17:24:46
77 of course I wouldn't accept finishing in the top 4 forever .
What makes you think I would, I don't think that is the point ole was making .

But he didn't say that, he said the league is a better way to judge progression.
And that if you show progression in the league consistency cup win wil follow .

He said "But sometimes a cup competition can hide the fact you’re still struggling a little bit"
I understand the point he is trying to make

But like I say I think at the moment anything he says is wrong .
Trying to leave ole out of do you disagree with my op or got an opinion on it?

"Does a winning run in the fa cup show progression in the same way league position does .

Knock out football is different, teams don't play against the same teams, limited number of games etc .

Would you rather win a cup or finish high in the league is one discussing

What shows better progressing league position or a cup run is a different one"

{Ed077's Note - How high? You can finish 2nd like We did under Jose or like Liverpool did under Klopp 2 seasons ago. If we are finishing a distant 2nd then 4th and Cup is better for me.

The manager of Man Utd saying winning the cups isnt that important when he isnt challenging for the league is almost unacceptable for me. And might I remind again OGS has LOST 4 out of 4 semis. I think he needs to prove that he has that winning mentality as a manager, and he isnt going to prove it in the league this season now is he? Competing for a CL place to again competing for a CL place isnt a tangible enough progress in my eyes.

Like winning a Cup can "hide" some underlying issues and give false impression, so can finishing higher in the league. Use Brendan Rodgers' Liverpool as an example. They werent the 2nd best team in the league when they finished 2nd in the league. But their league form hid the deficiencies in their squad and manager as well.}

4.) 17 Mar 2021
17 Mar 2021 17:42:21
He is waffling and knows he ain't winning anything again this year.

5.) 17 Mar 2021
17 Mar 2021 17:45:19
If we finished 3rd again and won a cup I'd say that's better progress than finishing 2nd and not winning anything.

Winning trophies is what it's all about. No kids run around a field dreaming of scoring the winning goal to clinch 2nd place in the league (not outside of North London anyway) .

CL qualification is the absolute minimum required. I wouldn't sacrifice top 4 for the FA Cup but if we reach a final this season as well as finish 3rd as a minimum, that's progress.

6.) 17 Mar 2021
17 Mar 2021 17:45:57
I would much rather win trophies than finishing in a high position in the league. Nobody remembers who finishes 2nd or 3rd. Plus winning trophies keeps your best players happy and attracts better players to your club. Let's see how long the likes of Bruno and Rashford will be content with finishing high up in the league. In the immortal words of Ricky Bobby, "If you're ain't first, you're last".

7.) 17 Mar 2021
17 Mar 2021 17:53:12
We are in the trophies business. Nothing better than winning a final (regardless of the trophy) and winning the league. Fans remember lifted cups not finishing top 4.

Winning the Europa League under Jose and finishing 6th was much more rewarding than finishing 3rd with Ole.

The manager knows ending this season without a trophy will raise serious questions. He's trying to spin the situation to suit his arguments. He's done it since day one with "United D. N. A" "fast attacking football" nonsense he doesn't actually practice.

Most managers talk nonsense. He's not the exception.

8.) 17 Mar 2021
17 Mar 2021 18:02:41
I can see his point and i agree at some extend. Arsenal win the FA cup a lot of times but don't have progression.
Progression isn't always measured by trophies but that said the timing he said that is more like excuse in case we lose tomorrow. "Dont judge me on trophies because you see the progress at the league".
In this time he must have attacked to win trophies. Its not the measure but it is what big clubs want.

9.) 17 Mar 2021
17 Mar 2021 18:04:37
Manager who hasn’t won anything at this level says we don’t need to win anything to prove his progress. The Olesexuals will support that view because that means we can sit and applaud failure as progress. Second in the league is failure.

Second is first loser unless Ole says so. It is just getting excuses in early, if I fail in the cups again it doesn’t matter, just judge me by that lovely DNA I am introducing.

It is utterly disgraceful that the Manager of Manchester United does not see winning trophies as vital
, that they are not the barometer of success. He should be ushered out the door at the end of that statement.

10.) 17 Mar 2021
17 Mar 2021 17:59:04
Ed77 for me the league doesn't lie.
When the scouse finished 2nd they where the second best in the league that year .

4th with a cup or 2nd with out etc etc its a completely different convo.
Like I said ;


Would you rather win a cup or finish high in the league is one discussing

What shows better progressing league position or a cup run is a different one.
I understand the point he is trying to make But I don't really think we are discussing what he said. More discussing what he has done as a manager
I'm not really interested in another ole debate, I think it Bern done to death .

I personally think league position is a better indication of progression than a cup run although there are obviously a few variables in there.
That's my personal opinion many will disagree. That's fine.

11.) 17 Mar 2021
17 Mar 2021 18:13:54
Olesexuals 😂😂😂😂😂

Class that Redman.

12.) 17 Mar 2021
17 Mar 2021 18:20:54
Just wasting time with this manager. Get someone in with the hunger and know how to win. Why all the excuses with all the money being spent the past few years+. Just get on with it and say you want to win and anything less is failure. He's a wet boring lettuce.

13.) 17 Mar 2021
17 Mar 2021 18:37:31
Yer good one redman 🤣🤣.

14.) 17 Mar 2021
17 Mar 2021 19:23:26
We all want trophies, and imo, we were a bit unlucky not to go through to the finals of EL last season.

That said, we went from fighting for top 4 to holding or "defending" the top 4 spot, while closing the gap (for now at least) for the 1st spot.
I'd call that a progress.

We should always aim to compare to the top clubs, which City is now, but when we compare the two squads, its obvious why they hold top spot.
We have a pretty good record against City, but league is a marathon, and they almost have a double squad.

I suppose Ole wanted to say that nothing can be achieved over night. He didn't surrender the cups, that's for sure, he just said there are more ways to see progress.

15.) 17 Mar 2021
17 Mar 2021 19:33:23
Trololo, that's what I was getting at . You worded it far better tho, good post.

16.) 19 Mar 2021
17 Mar 2021 19:45:57
Herrera good point on arsenal there.

I think its worth saying ole was talking about what shows progression, I don't think he said winning a trophy wasn't important.


Forgetting about ole do people not think league is a better way to judge a team or show progression?