28 May 2021 14:10:16
We are a Club that value celebrity over substance, revenue over trophies, shirt sales over performance!

Success was achieved as soon as we finished in the top 4 so believe what you want but Wednesday night was an irrelevance. Ole will get a new contract and spend all next season desperately trying to save his job.

We finished the league season with 74 points. That in my opinion is about the ceiling for this squad. That will normally keep us in or around the top 4 but no where near good enough to win a league title. A new manager might get a few more points and even get us over the line in games like Wednesday night but it's not where we want to be. We all know what we need but some continually want to hind behind replacing the manager thinking that will solve the problem. It won't! We all know the real problem and nothing will change until they are removed.

We will win nothing of significance with these owners in charge so change the manager, he'll be gone sooner rather than later anyway and the fan base will be equally divided over his replacement.

I'm not defending Ole but no manager in world football will win major honours at our Club whilst our ambition does not extend beyond a top 4 finish.

It pains me to say I've become apathetic. After three decades of loyal support I will not renew my season ticket. My one man stand will not make a difference but I can no longer support a Club or invest my time and energy in an organisation that simply doesn't want to win. DLIB signing out!

1.) 28 May 2021
28 May 2021 14:34:45
We all want the Glazers gone as they have been canablising the club since they took over. But again I think you're underestimating what an elite coach can do.

I don't think the club will have sustained success. I agree that the owners don't particularly care about trophies, but there is nothing stopping us building a team that can compete.

We do spend money. We spend a lot of money. Signings and a coach that can improve us no end will make us contenders.

The owners might be happy with top 4 but that has also seeped into the managers ambitions. The manager and players should want to win every game but we constantly have our manager saying we're not in the title race, trophies are for egos. He has accepted mediocrity and that will transfer to the players.

The owners are going nowhere anytime soon. We can however change the manager. Saying a manager won't change much is negating every underdog sporting achievement ever. Coaches can make the difference.

I hope you're not leaving this page DLIB as you're one of the best posters this site has.

2.) 28 May 2021
28 May 2021 14:41:44
DLIB, solid post mate.

I have taken some time before posting after the final, because like everyone I was frustrated with many things. In terms of the game I felt like Ole let it drift from him, and ultimately that cost us, as I felt if we freshened it up, we would have killed them off in ET.

Personally I like Ole, and everything he is trying to do, is to win and win trophies. If anyone disputes that then blinkers are on. My concern with him is that I wonder if he has already reached his ceiling. Can he find another level? I am not sure he can, I have said many times on here that I don't think he will be the one to bring home titles etc for us.

However, for me I don't care who is in charge, the club isn't geared up to winning the big trophies at the moment. Recruitment has been poor over the years, money spent yes, but money wasted. We have had big managers in Jose and Louis and they both struggled and had many of the same gripes us fans have. We are told to believe that Manchester United is the biggest club in the world, but we don't act like it. I don't think those at the top care about being the best football team in the world, they care about being the biggest brand. We all know the club generates huge money, but if we were winning league titles and champions leagues, then I would guess we would be even more profitable.

Talk of a new contract for Ole, personally I feel like we should wait to Christmas, see if we are making any progress on the pitch before making that decision. Going into the summer we need to be getting players with the right character and most importantly quality. Scholes said after the final, we didn't sign Man United players. For me a Man United player takes risks, rises to the occasion and demands the ball and will do anything to win. Think Keane, Cantona and Robson. These characters are few and far between, and worryingly I don't know if we have any on or off the pitch with that mentality any more.

I am hopeful for a good summer, but I am not holding my breath.


3.) 28 May 2021
28 May 2021 15:09:19
Good man Dlib. The more that vote with their feet the better Imo. Also the thought of lining the glazers pockets with your own hard earned money when you despise them and their strategy for the club must be very frustrating. Also the frustration at feeling you have to give up something that you enjoy in order to make your protest must hurt a lot. I really admire your stance 👏👏👏 I hand up mutv I won't give up any or bt as I watch golf and other sports. I will not buy any club merchandise so I don't have to make the same personal sacrifice as you. I know it hurts.
I agree with mumbles to say no coach can win anything is simply not true and a little silly. Have we not already won leagues cups and a cl while they are owners? The main difference then was we had an elite manager and we will have again once we get shut of coco the 🤡.
We will get back to the top I've no doubt about. Step 1 for any good club has got to be get a proper football manager.
Best of luck to you and i hope your absence does not extend too long.
I admire you for having the courage and to take the sacrifice to stand up for what you believe in. A truly honorable thing to do. If everybody just sits and takes no action then the status so won't change.

4.) 28 May 2021
28 May 2021 15:45:43
DLIB, i respectfully disagree. All us fans are playing the oldest game in history and it is called the "blame game". I respect your opinion on this and to some extent i agree with it as well. Things need to change top down. But simply stated for the football side of it, the buck stops with Ole. As i understand, the Glazers purchased United in 2003/ 04. We have won several PL titles, CL, Europa League, FA Cup, Carling cup and if you want to count it then the Community Shield as well and all this under the Glazers. The thing that was the major factor was that we had a competent manager in charge. We won the trophies with Anderson and Cleverley in the midfield. Were they world beaters? No. But the common denominator was a competent manager. Managers who demanded excellence, be it SAF, LvG or Jose. They weren't scared and didn't tow the party line. They stood up for what was right. Does Ole do that? Even Moyes won a trophy, the Community Shield for us and if Ole had a chance i am certain that he will screw that up too as trophies are for ego.
Glazers have spent money. We have bought Di Maria, Lukaku, Maguire, Pogba, van Persie, Bruno who are all top stars and capable of winning. But Ole fails to motivate them enough to do anything material. Yes they haven't invested in the stadium or the toilets seats etc but i am sure the leaking roof has nothing to do with poor performances on the field. isn't that down to Ole?

5.) 28 May 2021
28 May 2021 15:54:46
Brendan Rodgers just won the FA Cup with Leicester, so no idea how you think any coach in world football wouldn’t win anything. Pep, Koop, Brendan, Tuchel, even Bielsa would likely win trophies with this squad. There is a lot of bang average players here granted, but I’m sure some would improve with a proper coach, ole is a clown.

6.) 28 May 2021
28 May 2021 16:37:36
@DLIB i am so sorry to hear you say that! You are genuinely one of my most favorite posters here (although you have been posting far less than you used to and than you should) .

I do disagree with you quite abit. Before i tell you why, i just want to reaffirm, i am NOT in the glazer's corner.

Now for the "why i disagree with you". let's see, they kick out Moyes after like 7 months when we are languishing in the 7th spot. Admittedly, that could be a point for your argument that all they want was top 4 and not actually to win.

Then they go and get LVG, the darling of the worldcup and someone widely regarded as a bringer of structure to any clubs he's been at as well as flourisher of youth.

Then they let go of LVG (despite having qualified for champs league - i know due to technicalities, still)

Then they bring in Jose, who everyone and their Grandma's knew is a serial winner.

All while spending about a billion quid and breaking transfer records.

There's a lot of reasons to hate these blood-sucking bankers and Lord knows I do hate them, but i can't subscribe to your doom and gloom mate and I just want to point out that its not that we won't win, it takes time.

Ask yourself, do you remember when klopp signed to be a liverpool manager in OCT 2015! YESSS. 2015/ 16 season they finished 8th, then 2 back to back seasons of finishing 4th and that loss to real in the champs league final. Then they go and buy Allison, VVD (i think in Jan of that saeson - world record fee for a defender) while robertson and taa emerge as world class talents.

Oh and by the by, you know he also lost a europa league final with liverpool. Guess who was the manager he lost to :) Unai i mean :)

So these things take time. This, where we are right now, is the tough part. We could keep our faith and back this manager or keep changing em and see where that gets us!

7.) 28 May 2021
28 May 2021 16:58:25
It's been a narrative on here for awhile that there's no point in changing the manager. It's fearmongering plain and simple. Try and paint it like our poor manager is powerless and is punching above his weight. While the facts are that he's just a bang average manager and I would assume the other 19 premier league managers would do a better job than him.

8.) 28 May 2021
28 May 2021 17:10:21
Stand- I did say the major honours meaning the premier league title and champions league sorry for any misunderstanding pal.

If Ole had won the FA Cup and finished 5th he’d have been sacked. For many fans this would have been a good thing. It would mean a trophy, a new manager and no doubt significant investment in the playing squad chasing a top 4 finish next season.

The FA Cup, League Cup and Europa League are irrelevant in a world where finishing 4th and securing all the extra revenue offered by the champions league is King.

UA - I don’t know how SAF continued to win league titles with those teams he was a genius, one of a kind, possibly the best football manager that ever lived. It might be a long wait for the next one pal.

If you think a new manager can win us the major trophies I respect your optimism.

I understand the frustration with Ole. I accept a more competent manager could have us playing better football, get us a few more points, maybe even win an FA Cup, League Cup or Europa League but only a genius will deliver us the major honours under this incumbent. If we win it will be in-spite of them and not because of them.

Raconteur - The Klopp situation had crossed my mind pal. He did have pedigree however wining two league titles with Dortmund including a double I think. I know not everyone will agree but I just can’t see how we can win when winning clearly isn’t the main priority. For the record I wouldn’t sack Ole. I’ve been as frustrated as most but I don’t think he was given the tools last summer to mount a serious challenge therefore to finish a distant second was about the best we could have hoped for! I thought we’d finish 4th at best at the start of the season. Let’s see what the summer brings.

Mumbles - I’m not scaremongering pal. I accept others managers could probably get us a few more points maybe ever win a trophy but could they deliver the major honours? If a distant second wasn’t good enough for Jose or Ole why would it be for anyone else? I honestly don’t believe Pep would win the league with this Utd squad. He’d want significant investment which he wouldn’t get! Time will be the judge I just think we’re in for a long wait.

9.) 28 May 2021
28 May 2021 17:30:56
Raconteur, did you just compare Klopp to Ole? Ole isn't good enough to drive Klopp's car.

10.) 28 May 2021
28 May 2021 17:46:15
@DLIB fair enough mate! And I agree that No one, myself included, thought with much confidence a top four finish this season was written in the script for us, especially with the failed sancho pursuit!

I think these are just impatient times, or perhaps we (all football fans and people in general) were always impatient and antsy and now we just have a platform to express said antsy-ness.

Have a great summer Pal!

11.) 28 May 2021
28 May 2021 18:20:29
DLIB, That scaremongering comment wasn't meant for you mate. It was meant for the majority of the Oleholics.

12.) 28 May 2021
28 May 2021 20:35:57
Lol comparing Klopp and Ole :) .
They are class apart.

13.) 28 May 2021
28 May 2021 21:23:04
Mumbles - We had 2 elite coaches, and while they won a couple of lesser trophies (and yes, Ole has failed to do that), they didn't have the team playing any better.

I'm not saying Ole is better than them. Just that getting an elite coach isn't going to magically fix everything. It may not fix anything.

Sticking with Ole gives us stability, a chance to build a team to a plan (rather than changing the plan every time we change manager) . He is learning and improving steadily.

We should only change manager now if a really perfect candidate comes available (and IMO we missed that chance when Klopp went to Liverpool) . Not just "at least he's better than Ole".

14.) 29 May 2021
28 May 2021 23:44:44
Thorne, because past decent managers failed does not mean it will continue to be that way.

The football we play now is just as boring as peak LvG, it's just as defensive as peak Jose. Ole will be taking charge in his 4th season and we have no coherent plan.

If you don't think a manager like Conte would do better than Ole, you're deluded. There are a host of managers that would improve us.

If you think Ole is the man to win us a league, that's your opinion. I think he's a Man who won the footballing lottery and has wasted the opportunity.

Ed001, you can stop your great manager profiles now. Apparently the qualities of a manager don't mean an awful lot.

{Ed001's Note - that will save me a lot of time then nice one!}

15.) 29 May 2021
29 May 2021 01:06:05
Sticking with the "Inept One" will have us languishing in obscurity. I always hear the excuse that he's learning on the job, yet his mistakes are now a habitual occurrence. A blind/ deaf/ mute man would do a better job at coaching/ managing than Ole. If Ole was in my island home of St. Lucia, he would be referred to as a "Coolowmoono" which basically means not to bright of a person.

16.) 29 May 2021
29 May 2021 06:41:25
Should be “not TOO bright of a person” @love united.

17.) 29 May 2021
29 May 2021 08:42:28
DLIB - re your opening post, I fully see where you are coming from and the frustration at the club from top to bottom, but the sad thing is not renewing will not bother the hierachy as some person is waiting in the wings to buy your season ticket. In fact the best part of the stadium could follow your lead and season tickets would still sell out. Its the brand and philosophy that has eviolved over the years for many top clubs. Its your choice and yours alone but it is obvious that 3 decades shoew your support above many prawn sandwich eaters and why should you lose out to someone who doesn't care. Whatever you decide, good luck :)

18.) 29 May 2021
29 May 2021 09:13:42
Raconteur it should actually be 'not too bright of a person' no need for caps but and no need to be a smart arse either. Predictive text takes over a lot and some folk me included forget to proof read our posts. 🤣.

19.) 29 May 2021
29 May 2021 09:33:55
lollll Kenneth rises to defend the Ole-haters again. Beware, for wherever there is justice, truth and logic, there will be the "inconvincible" :P.

20.) 29 May 2021
29 May 2021 09:40:21
Here Here DLIB!

You not alone pal. I told my mates that I won't be going to Old Trafford in the near future (apart from the RL Grand Final as I'm a Wigan fan) .

I've recently sold all my Manchester United clothing items. Advertising the club to other fans doesn't help.

Hurting the Glazers in the pocket is the best way of protesting for me. Take your money and custom somewhere else. Buy the Gold and Green colours if you still want to wear your colours. The Super League was the final straw for me. Maybe if the elite clubs treat their fans as fans and not as customers, you wouldn't have all this protesting going on.

As they say, I think I will take my customs somewhere else, guess it's time to borden my horizon. My advice is to go support your local club or find a different hobby.

21.) 29 May 2021
29 May 2021 09:35:57
Mumbles - The European Super League debacle just cemented what I’ve believed for a long time. Our owners have no interest in the Club other than to line their own pockets.

I agree we spend money but it’s only to keep us in the top 4 and not to win trophies. Where is the investment in the infrastructure, the stadium, the training facilities, the community?! Players are rewarded with obscene contracts so they don’t have to be replaced or retain their transfer value. There is no understanding that players like Jones, Rojo even Lingard etc can’t be sold because other Clubs won’t pay their wages which results in a bloated squad and an inability to sign players that could take the Club forward.

Success at Manchester United is not measured on the pitch but on the stock market. Revenue generation, sponsorship opportunities and social media hits are the new barometers of success.

I can’t defend Ole but what manager can succeed when the Club is playing a different game?

I just don’t see how we can be successful if the emphasis isn’t on winning.

Marcus Rashford talked about sacrifice in his post match interview. Inspiring words for such a young man and it gave an important insight into his mentality. Winning at an elite level is hard, it takes meticulous planning, hard work and sacrifice. It’s takes everyone working together to reach a common goal. What sacrifice are our owners making to make sure we close the gap and return to the top? Whilst Rashford was playing through injury and trying to ensure underprivileged children got a free school meal our owners were trying to form a European Super League for the sole purpose of lining their own pockets.

The manager is a diversion from the real problem at our Club and we will not win major honours until the Club prioritises sporting success over commercial growth.

Ken - I can no longer acquiesce or give my money to a regime that I do not believe have the best interests of the Club at heart. I do not despise the Glazers, I understand they are business people but Manchester United must be a symbol for sporting excellence not commercial growth. They are making money off the back of our rich heritage that without such tradition and sporting success there would be no world wide fan base or sponsorship opportunities.

We are a Club that ruled Europe from the ashes of Munich to the depths of personal tragedy and the vision, courage, bravery and sacrifice to never give in. That’s what Man Utd represents not the chime of the tills in the megastore or the cash injection of another commercial sponsor. Winning is what matters and the rest will take care of itself.

22.) 29 May 2021
29 May 2021 10:29:29
Raconteur who did I defend? Just pointing out an error. Were you not doing the same oe where you just looking for any excuse to pick on someone because they don't share your view?

23.) 29 May 2021
29 May 2021 10:33:53
Dlib. I whole heartedly agree with your stance if those are your feelings.
You must stand up for what you believe in. Those that turn the other cheek and then moan and whinge i can't understand. I think they lack moral fibre. You on the other hand are a person to admire for having the courage of your convictions. imo.

24.) 29 May 2021
29 May 2021 21:47:26
Mumbles - I’m not saying an elite manager couldn’t do better. I’m saying that just grabbing any available elite manager won’t work, it has to be the RIGHT elite manager, and I don’t believe any of the elite managers we could possibly get at the moment are the right one.

I also wholeheartedly disagree with your comparison of how we play now to under LVG or Jose. Our play now is far more exciting than under LVG, and far less defensive than under Jose.

We don’t lack for attacking intent, just consistent creative quality. Getting rid of Pogba (who is inconsistent and requires compromising other players to accommodate), and bringing in a creative RW option and a genuine holding midfielder (to free up the second CM), possibly one who can add creativity from deep, should help resolve that.

If we add that needed creativity this summer, and Ole fails to use it, then fair enough, he’ll have failed. Right now though the lack of creativity is down to the available players, not the manager.