03 Oct 2021 18:46:58
I don’t mind us not winning, you can’t expect to win every game. What I do mind is the ponderous approach, the lack of creativity, the pain in my eyes when I watch us. I’ve just watched Liverpool City, 2 teams showing class, energy (mostly) and fire in their bellies.

When I watch most teams they seem to have more fizz than us, I’d love to see the stats but we seem to be the slowest out there. I really do not enjoy watching us right now. I’ve watched every game and other than Leeds and a short spell against Newcastle we have been pants. I swear our play is getting worse. Sadly, Woody sees semi finals, a final, and finishing 2nd as progress so I doubt anything will change but I actually prefer watching pretty much every other team rather than us.

I’m going to put this out there too: signing Ronaldo was a mistake and was based on sentiment and a fear he would go to City. Cavani signed up for this season but will now play second fiddle. With Rashford, Sancho, and Greenwood we already have a selection dilemma for the wide places, however we know Rashford and Greenwood can also play centrally, but Ronaldo will mostly be first choice.

I think he’s a distraction and from what I’ve seen so far he is almost the archetypal goal hanger, looking to score and doing very little else. I know everyone is excited, he’s come home, blah blah blah, but it just doesn’t make sense to me. We are desperate for creativity in the middle and look short at RB yet we’ve distracted attention by bringing Ronny back.

1.) 03 Oct 2021
03 Oct 2021 19:13:27
AJH. I have said for 18 months that I don't enjoy watching us and I don't identify with this team being a Manchester United supporter. All I want is for ole to be fired so we can get our club back from the dive to mediocrity and the acceptance of mediocrity.

On Ronaldo I think it's too early to judge. A good manager will sort that out and put a structure in place that gets the best results for all parties.
Ole just has no idea how to drive a ferrari he is more your Austin allegro type.

I think it's only a matter of time before he loses the entire dressing room. I'm looking forward to that day I have to say.

I don't like 1 thing about Ole the manager I can't think of any other manager that has spent the best part of 500 million with the highest paid squad that would do worse, he is not fit for purpose and we should get rid ASAP before the fans eventually hound him out of the job.

2.) 03 Oct 2021
03 Oct 2021 19:14:18
I thought we played with a lot more energy and purpose yesterday in the first half AJH. The ball moved quicker and we looked more cohesive with it. Notably without Pogba and ronaldo.

{Ed014's Note - you really can’t have been watching the same game as everyone else.

You scored from a set piece having done nothing, then had a spell of possession which you also did nothing with.

You could have even been at least 3 nil down by then. I get supporting your team DB but your view is so out of whack with what really happened.

3.) 03 Oct 2021
03 Oct 2021 19:20:58
Don’t make sense! he scored 5 in 5…. Where would we be without his goals
If you want more running around like headless chickens then your welcome to them, that’s without even taking into consideration the marketing side of the deal
IMO it’s just ridiculous to question that signing, but ok let’s forget about Ronaldo we been playing this slow crap football since Ole arrived, it can’t be blamed on Ronaldo.
There is too many average players in team doing nothing, DVB, AVB, Memphis oopppps sorry Sancho, Martial, we can go on, yet your blaming the only player we got scoring regular.
Ole and his merry bunch are to blame more then Ronaldo for this slow boring play.
We are miles behind city and Liverpool and spending 100s of millions and getting no closer even with some fantastic players we have.

4.) 03 Oct 2021
03 Oct 2021 19:28:24
Dodgy, not sure what game you watched.
Just watch Pool vs City, they are a class apart.
Our team is just ponderous in possession and look devoid of any creativity.

5.) 03 Oct 2021
03 Oct 2021 19:29:01
They did move the ball quicker in the first half yesterday but it didn't materialise as anything because we don't actually know what we're doing. The pass to the full backs, cut back inside, two passes across the midfield, pass over to the other full back who cuts inside, wash rinse and repeat.

It's not just about moving the ball slow, it's about every player being on a different page.

Passing the ball slightly quicker is not a reason to give plaudits to the manager in a game we drew.

6.) 03 Oct 2021
03 Oct 2021 19:29:49
AJH - I fear you may get pelters but your concerns are grounded in common sense in my opinion.

Shappy seems to think we’ll do ok against the better teams but I’m still waiting for him to tell me how we counter attack effectively with Ronaldo up front and how we match the intensity of City or Liverpool.

I think we’ll see performances like we did with Zlatan. Defend really, really deep with Ronaldo isolated and frustrated.

Ole’s at the wheel and he’s already been onto Jose for the keys to the bus for our upcoming fixtures.

7.) 03 Oct 2021
03 Oct 2021 20:07:03
Jackamus, you could start an argument in an empty room.

I'm not blaming Ronaldo for anything, I am suggesting it wasn't a sensible decision to re-sign him when we looked well covered and have glaring holes elsewhere. And I couldn't give a toss about the marketing side of the deal, I want to see a successful team on the pitch.

And your continual sniping at Sancho who has been here 2 minutes is childish. What are you, 12?

8.) 03 Oct 2021
03 Oct 2021 19:59:04
Look at the stats Ed14. 6 shots on target to Everton's 2. 10 corners to everton's 1. Cavani missed header, martial missed timed jump for a second sitter of a header. Greenwood flash across the face (surprised cavani wasn't in position for tap in) . Game possession stats were something like 70% for us.

Everton played well sitting in and countering, but we were certainly not schooled by them.

If we win that game with one of our chances then this ground swell of crises would not happen. The issue is the trend of results. Which is real, and I understand the frustration from fans. But I did think we played better yesterday, at least for the first half.

{Ed014's Note - never look at stats DB, just watch the game mate, it was another game that you got away with.

I guess you’re just ignoring all the saves DDG made, how many did Pickford make?

You’re just kidding yourself that United are something they’re clearly not mate.

9.) 03 Oct 2021
03 Oct 2021 20:02:11
Ed14,

I think Dodgy is over exaggerating the performance yesterday but we didn’t score from a set piece, it was a nicely worked goal, and how could we have been 3 down, Everton never looked like scoring in the first half and I felt we probably just about deserved to be ahead despite not creating much.

Dodgy’s view of the game is out of whack with mine but it’s nowhere near yours either, what set piece did the goal come from?

{Ed014's Note - yes apologies GDS you are right about the set piece I had the Telles goal in my head rather that Martials strike.

That aside you really are nothing like the side some posters are making out and Everton wouldn’t have been unlucky had they taken all 3 points from yet another poor performance by United.

10.) 03 Oct 2021
03 Oct 2021 20:09:00
DLIB, it will be interesting to see how we do against the top teams. Watching Liverpool and City today made me fear for us, if they play like that we could get rolled over. We shall see.

11.) 03 Oct 2021
03 Oct 2021 20:14:55
Despite all the greatness of Ronaldo, we did not need him. Look at the front three vs the midfield mid-August:

F - Rashford, Cavani, Greenwood, Martial, Sancho, Amad

ACM - Bruno, Pogba, Lingard, van de Beek, Mata

DCM - Matic, Fred, McTominay

The need for a DCM was obvious. But we went with the sentimental choice. Our problem is not a lack of good finishers, it is a lack of dominating the game, creating, and service - in other words, midfield . and the lack of decent coaching for the entire eleven to play more as a unit.

12.) 03 Oct 2021
03 Oct 2021 20:36:36
Ken, who would you choose as manager if you had to this week? If you making the call to sack Ole, who would you have already scoped to replace him with? Not being argumentative, just curious which one name there is you could imagine stepping in.

13.) 03 Oct 2021
03 Oct 2021 20:37:50
I get the fact a midfielder is needed but I wouldn't criticise the club for getting ronaldo .
Ronaldo has just top scored in Italy, he top scored at the euros, he's the champions league top scorer he's just broke the international goal scoring record and he's already going at about a goal a game for us .
I like our forward options but he's still capable of numbers the others aren't.
I'd agree we have lots of talented attackers, probably too many, but I'd have let others like martial, lingard and mata go to free up wages rather than not sign ronaldo.

14.) 03 Oct 2021
03 Oct 2021 20:47:22
Ed014, I'm not trying to argue. Was just trying to back up what I saw with some stats.

How many saves? I guess the 6 shots on target to 2 should tell you that.

I realise I seem to be in a field of one over here, not that that ever worries me!

15.) 03 Oct 2021
03 Oct 2021 20:49:08
There will always be an excuse with Ole that’s the problem, now the excuse is that we have too many good players, before it was that the players weren’t good enough. I think at the end of the day Ole isn’t an awful manager and he isn’t a great manager, he’s somewhere in the middle, he will get us top 4 regularly but won’t manage this squad to the trophies it should win and that is clearly an issue that needs addressing sooner than later.

16.) 03 Oct 2021
03 Oct 2021 21:37:09
Spenno I've not thought about it really to be honest.
I've seen the usual list of suspects conte Zidane poch and Potter etc i don't have a particular favourite i like the ajax manager who has vast experience but if it was my choice that's who I'd approach.
But I know whom ever it is will won't have it easy but as long as we start playing like a team and without fear of losing ill be happy. Ole is killing the united DNA.

17.) 03 Oct 2021
03 Oct 2021 23:12:24
I like Ten Hag too Ken. But think it’s the whole ethos inc van de Sar’s role and the academy that makes Ajax tick. Not sure how effective he’d be alone but they’re good to watch for sure.

18.) 04 Oct 2021
04 Oct 2021 07:49:25
AJH……. I would take a 15 million 36 year old Ronaldo over 80 million 21 Sancho any day of the week, I’m not interested in if Sancho makes it in 2/ 3/ 4/ 5 years time, I am for the here and now not the tomorrow that might actually never come.
So just because I don’t believe you know it all, I’m the 12 year old am I……. I won’t either bother getting in to that, it’s really not worth the bother
I just laugh at your post especially the ones where you seem to think you lord it over everyone else’s opinion and the “Guardian angel ones” are really great
So just FYI, I do think Sancho was wasted money, because we have so many who, can play there. out and out strikers we only have Cavani not sure you can include Greenwood because by your logic Sancho is just a Kid so it make Greenwood a infant. And Martial is no number 9
I also don’t Rate AWB or DVB for that matter, neither are good enough to propel United to League winners, but again my opinion, you think they are great that’s fine, but because someone don’t agree with you to then call them a 12 year old shows your level of intelligence and arrogance to be something else, everyone does not have to or even would agree with what are only your opinions and uneducated ones at that.

19.) 04 Oct 2021
04 Oct 2021 08:26:37
Dodgy you keep repeating the one stat that paints the picture you want to show ignoring the reality, yes we had possession and had more shots on target but they created more the xg clearly shows that and they had nearly as many shots as us, just because you miss doesn't mean you didn't create a chance, utd had 13 shots vs everton's 12 not exactly a smash and grab is it?

20.) 04 Oct 2021
04 Oct 2021 08:35:13
Its a brave call ajh saying the ronaldo signing is a mistake . he's very capable of making that kind of post not age very well at the end of the season when goal outputs can be measured.

21.) 04 Oct 2021
04 Oct 2021 11:59:19
Maybe Slate, I really hope I’m dying of embarrassment at the end of the season.

22.) 04 Oct 2021
04 Oct 2021 12:50:51
I like Ten Haag as well Ken, apparently his English is very poor though from speaking to someone who is an Ajax fan. Has his side playing great football, and if he could bring gravenberch with him that would be even better!

{Ed002's Note - EtH can speak English reasonably well - not fluent, but better than Bielsa and Ranieri when they arrived - and better than Harry Redknapp. now.}

23.) 04 Oct 2021
04 Oct 2021 12:56:37
Jackumus perhaps that was ajh having a bit of banter. You know like the way he scolded you last week for doing same with shappy. It seemed a bit puerile to me?? but then again nobody on here throws stones wole sitting in their own glasshouse least of all AJH. ?? what's good for him is not on for you. So you just remember that.

24.) 04 Oct 2021
04 Oct 2021 14:54:45
Yeah perhaps it was KEN but so used to his differing and moving opinions I take no notice of the Guardian angel twins no more…. not really worth the time and effort……… quite embarrassing really but hey ho.

25.) 04 Oct 2021
04 Oct 2021 16:52:35
Brilliant Ed ???.