05 Oct 2021 09:18:06
Some absolute dross posted over the last few days on here, and I must say it's sad to see the way some people have turned on Ole. Let's get one thing out of the way- I don't think he's good enough, I think he's taken us as far as he can. I would love to be wrong on this, and for Ole to prove us all wrong.

However, it's not his fault he's got the job, or is still in a job. Blame the people above him for the running of the club.

Ole is a legend at United, he always will be. I get the views of Ken, red man etc that he's not good enough- I agree. There's been a lot of disrespect shown towards him too from different posters and online. I've said from day one Ole is putting the club first. This isn't the Jose show where it's look at me everyday, he was an arse and I'm glad he's nowhere near our club.

As a player Ole gave this club everything, and as a manager I'm sure he's giving everything as well. I've seen comments that he got the job because of one goal, he didn't. You'd think he had a Macheda moment. Anyone who discredits Ole's playing career either never watched him, or is blinded by rage.

I would love Ole to be successful here, because I know he would stay for the long term, it would mean my football club is back where it belongs. Does anyone really trust our decision makers to bring in the right man? I sure as hell don't. Whether anyone wants to admit it, this club is in a much better place now, something which Ole deserves credit for. He's been backed well, but he's still brought some very good players to the club. However we need a top drawer manager to come in and elevate these players to the next level. There's youth and experience in the squad, and an exciting crop of youngsters hopefully waiting to break through (laird, mejbri and shoretire to name a few) .

I get the anger towards him, however it's all aimed at the wrong place. Those running the club/ business are responsible for what we ultimately receive as a product. The management team isn't up to it, yet they'll continue to employ and back them for as long as possible, or until it doesn't make sense financially. We all know this.

I have a horrible feeling in the pit of my stomach that we end up with Southgate or someone like that. I don't necessarily want Zidane or Conte, the reason for it is I like to think of the traditions of this club and I want the next manager to come in and follow that on. Someone like Ten Haag could fit the bill, I'm not sure about other options, maybe Potter, but let's be real. The minute it doesn't go well for him everyone will be out saying how inexperienced he is and that he won't deliver.

It's a tricky spot, but the club will need to address it soon, I just have no confidence in the recruitment of the next manager, whenever that may be.


1.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 09:30:19
Couldn't agree more, great post Caolan. ?.


2.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 09:43:30
Well he could just realise his limitations and resign. No one is making him manage Man Utd.

I think people's over riding feeling is frustration rather than anger. The guy makes loads of nonaensical decisions and even when it goes wrong he makes the same mistakes over and over again. Maybe some introspection and self awareness wouldn't go amiss.

Why shouldn't we be disrespectful and critical with this guy as well as the owners? He was just a highly paid employee when he was a player, same as he is as a manager. He needs to airt himself out and unless he does ao he quite rightly deserves all the grief tbat he gets.


3.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 09:56:13
MancMan would you walk away from your dream job? Would you not back yourself to be successful. To reach the level any footballer at that level has the self believe would be immense. You would always back yourself.


4.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 10:38:16
Great managers realised their limitations and get the right people around them, if Ole got in a top European coach to improve his on field decisions I think it would help.


5.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 11:20:54
Agree with that, I have zero faith in the club appointing oles successor. Be like us to hire giggs and a bunch of the class of 92 rather than appoint a qualified manager and coaching staff.


6.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 11:20:56
Caolan, i'd walk away if i looked at my performance levels and honestly concluded i couldn't hack it.

There's no shame in not being the right man for the job. Solksjaer should take some pride in having done some good things after the mourinho disaster, but he should realise that like everyone he has limitations and he reached them some time ago.

Now he has overstayed and is just stinking up the place.

If you want to lay blame about the cause of this whole clustermess, you should read Ed001's article on the demise of Man Utd. I doubt you will like the inevitable conclusions you will draw from it.


7.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 11:21:36
I agree with all that. One of my all time favourite players, loved him as a player and such a nice guy but as a manager . no thanks, and his back room staff is very uninspiring. I just don't see us winning anything with him now.

No need for name calling or any disrepect to the man, let him leave sooner rather than later and retain affection from the fans.

Who we get to replace him is a huge question with no easy answer.


8.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 11:27:01
I agree Grim, but in a nutshell Ole isn't a great manager unfortunately.


9.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 11:48:12
I've no respect for him i don't agree he has done a good job in any aspect i want hi. Out ASAP. If he is hounded out by players and fans that's OK too.
Not a legend in my eyes despite scoring a legendary goal.
He should not have to walk away he should be fired.
Of course he loves the club I don't doubt that but so do lots of people.
He is our worst manager since sexton results wise with exception of moyes who didn't last a season.
I hope the players turn on him its all he deserves.


10.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 12:09:45
Ken what has Ole done to hurt your feelings so much? Seriously you sound like an ex girlfriend scorned lol.

Can't see how he isn't a club legend mate, look at the trophies, the goals and the work ethic when on the pitch. If you don't think he's a legend at this club for his playing career then I don't know pal.


11.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 12:16:30
Not special as a player abd pathetic as a manager. I don't have to like him because you say so. Whatever little respect i had for him because of that goal he has lost it by his constant smiling at us losing and drawing. Chicharito was a better substitute than Ole.


12.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 12:16:53
He was a squad player by his own admission. I put him in same group as butt and o shea etc.
what he has done is bring this team mentality back over 30 years. With his anti man utd playing style and submissiveness I hold him responsible for producing football I hate watching and having players with a poor attitude and accepting and encouraging mediocrity.
No respect for the man at all.


13.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 12:13:52
MancMan can you link the article (or ed001) I can't remember if I have seen it.

No matter what it say's I know who I blame. If you hire the wrong person for the job and blindly stand by them, then you are at fault. If I wasn't capable of performing my job I would be sacked. However, if there was a claim of negligence made against me, despite me performing to the best of my ability it will be my employer who bears the cost.

When you have no ambition at the very top from those running the daily operations of the club then what do you expect? They have been reactionary as hell and every manager bar Ole we have had has been out of contract because they don't want to put their hand in their pocket any more than they have too.

Spent well this summer, but now it is abundantly clear we need a top class manager to take what I think is a very good crop of players further. Solsjkaer is employed by the club, he doesn't run it.

{Ed001's Note - I assume it means this article. I hope so anyway!}


14.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 12:37:10
Ken careful, we are at risk of being called "classless".


15.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 12:38:02
Great post Caolan. I also posted about the personal attacks but they just keep on coming. I’m not asking anyone to like him but it borders on childish sometimes, the name calling, the insults. I don’t think he will bring success, I think he has reset the culture, bought well, moved some on who needed moving on. Sadly, in the big games he has been found wanting again and again and it seems we are going backwards right now.

But like it or not the Board seem set on keeping him so it would be great if we could find something else to talk about for a while.


16.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 12:40:02
It IS his fault to be still in the job.
He must realise he is now trying to function above his ability.

I am grateful for what he has done but is now time to walk away for the sake of the club and his own self respect.


17.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 12:43:45
I don’t get what the player achieved or didn’t got any relevance to his post now.

If we go down that Route Teddy scored in that game and probably in many many more, he tried his luck at management but at least had sense to start at low level, but quickly realised he not cut out for it and moved on…….

I would never ever rate him as a Top player or a legend to be honest but again it makes no difference about the past it’s the here and now, and job is above him.

I’m not sure what top European or English coach would work under him to be honest, so I don’t see that happening.


18.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 12:29:54
I don't think its sad that people are turning on ole I think its great the more fans that turn the better it can only accelerate his demise.


19.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 12:51:06
Not telling anyone to like Ole, giving folks my opinion mainly on what I think of the site at the moment. Is that okay United Addict? Or is me having respect for the man not fit with the narrative? Ken is entitled to his opinion and whilst I don't agree with it, its part of life. It would be boring if we all thought the same. Certainly wouldn't call anyone ''classless''.

On the idea that he should walk away, none of us would lads. I certainly wouldn't, I have children and I would want their children to be set for life as well. All well and good saying it on here, but none of us will be in that position.

Cheers for the Link ed. Can't believe I didn't remember the article as I had read it before. Just stinks of Amateur hour everywhere.


20.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 12:54:54
Ole's not walking away, Carrick and McKenna will probably sign extensions before the end of the international break.


21.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 13:08:33
Its like some just want us to accept the status quo and not do anything just because the owners are bad.


22.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 13:22:02
Even if dross posted last few days it’s more exciting then the Dross football we have mainly turned out in last years.


23.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 13:47:55
It is early season guys, we are one drawn game against everton off the top of the table in the epl. Level with the mighty city. Ole is a clown, but Pep the messiah?

The trolls who have wanted Ole out for months and months are just amplifying everything up to the maximum.

Do you think the person who reportedly overheard SAF was an Ole supporter?

We have a very tough run of games, weekend/ midweek, thick and fast. Let's judge after we are at least 1/ 4 of the way into the season?


24.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 13:40:44
United Addict what can we do? Because they are responsible for the day to day running of the club, they are the ones who hire and fire coaches and managers. They have employed someone we can pretty much all agree on isn't up to the job. How is that situation fixed? You can lay all the blame at Ole's feet, but if we do not replace him with the right man for the job then we will just be back to square one.

I am not telling you what to think, or push my opinion on you. I am saying what I see, and quite simply I don't think I trust those calling the shots to get it right at any point. Remember Ole doesn't employ himself.

{Ed025's Note - caolan i would just like to congratulate you on some very well written and balanced views on this thread, you make some very pertinent points and even though im sure not all will agree with your take on things you have put your points across superbly, and as someone looking in from the outside i have to say how impressed i am by your candour and intelligence, kudos my friend..


25.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 13:45:10
Jack my comments about Ole as a player have little to do with him being in the job. As fans we have on the whole been pretty good with ex players and shown respect for what they have done for the club.


26.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 14:08:25
AJH, the attacks aren't personal.

No one is saying he is a bad person, people are just saying he is a bad manager.


27.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 14:10:10
Thanks Ed, appreciate that. You wouldn't be able to tell the wife to be that? Not sure she would agree lol.

{Ed025's Note - i will take your word for that mate.. :)


28.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 14:10:53
I respect every posters opinion, but I cringe every time I hear the argument that the owners/ board are the reason why we are stagnant. Ed02 have told us on countless occasions that the owners don't get involved in the day to day running of the club. The glazers have been incharge of United for 16 years now. We have known their Modus Operandi from day one when they leveraged debt against the club in order to buy it. Now the argument is the board and owners are not ambitious enough to challenge/ win trophies. If that's the case why didn't it prevent the likes of Sir Alex, Jose and LVG from winning trophies. Even Moyes won the Charity Shield if you want to class it as a trophy and he didn't even last an entire season. So why is it so difficult for Ole even though he has been backed more by the owners than his predecessors.


29.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 14:13:44
Caolan i posted a few days ago, fans have the power. Remember ESL? The owners made a decision but they did withdraw once the fans stomped feet. If we just keep shut, nothing will change. Arsenal and Milan come to mind. Even Liverpool took a generation to win again. Do t want the same to happen with us. Its almost 10 years already.


30.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 14:23:44
Love_United my point is that we all want to see the club do well and win trophies, but those in charge have appointed a man who doesn't seem capable. That's my argument in a nutshell. We can all blame Ole for many things, but ultimately it is down to those calling the shots to ensure we are capable of competing. I could get behind the wheel of an F1 car, but it won't make me a world class driver.


31.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 13:54:51
Dodgy, but SAF was a Ole supporter, so why he say it?

I think we all know we would take Pep over Ole!

Also look at who city have played compared to who we have played!

Look at the entertainment to what we have witnessed

We are only what 2 games of off being a quarter way in to season….


32.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 14:46:54
UA I agree that we as fans have power, however the ESL was dead in the water within hours and I think our club held on as long as they felt they could. If it got the go ahead to start tomorrow, you can bet we would be right at the front of the queue, regardless of the fan felling. If we are still making top 4 I don't think the Glazers will get rid of Ole, it is fairly clear that is the aim of the club at the moment- well maybe the minimum aim.

At some point those calling the shots have to be aggressive and decisive in their decision making. Gary Neville always references ''the best in class'' and that is what I think we are screaming out for right now. This summer the recruitment was good, and as a result has really shown up the coaching staff in terms of performances. Right now I think there is an acceptance from those within the club go be happy with top 4. Are we bold enough to go and get a top manager out of a big club? Or would we just wait for a free agent because we don't have to buy them out of a contract. I am not asking for the Glazers to go, but I will always hold them responsible for the management and running of the club. Whilst they themselves may not be making every call, again they have hired the people who do. They have put the structure in place.

I am very serious when I say there is something good building at United, the academy is strong at the minute, we have a really good blend of experience and youth in the first team squad. We are maybe missing a top class number 6, but this squad is capable of playing good football and winning trophies imo, I just think it needs unlocked by the right man.

I hope it is Ole, but I just don't think it will be him.


33.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 16:30:29
The problem with Ole is that he is a liar. He is a seller of hope. He came here and said what everyone of you wanted to hear about DNA United way, outrun teams etc.
In contrast he does the opposite and he has the opposite mentality from the mentality he said he has and the opposite to United way. He clearly wants the bar low and being the underdog. This is not the United way we play, this is Oleball and for that Ole is a liar.


34.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 17:21:04
I genuinely wanted Ole to succeed but the man has taken us as far as he can.
He clearly isn't learning by his mistakes because he's making the same mistakes time and time again.
I'm sick of hearing the same crap from him after every game that "we were unlucky because we should of been awarded this or that".
He never makes reference to how crap we played during the game. I'm getting to the point where i can't even watch him in interviews anymore, it's like groundhog day.


35.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 18:25:57
I won't watch him simo. He talk rubbish clichéd nonsense. I think he lacks every aspect required to be a good manager.


36.) 05 Oct 2021
05 Oct 2021 18:56:31
Caolan,

Agree with your post mate, I’ll get that in now before the vultures come and well done for being brave as you know exactly who will respond and with what.

It is possible to think Ole isn’t the right man without ignoring any balance to the situation and appreciating what he has done.

I agree the obvious choices for next manager don’t look great, I think for me it would have to be Potter or Rodgers from our league, I don’t watch any Dutch football or football other than the premier league to be honest so I have no idea how good managers in others leagues are but a lot are obviously talking about Ten Haag as well.