30 Oct 2021 08:58:53
What an absolutely embarrassing week to be a United fan, the humbling against Liverpool was hard to swallow but I think many of us were expecting it to be honest. Yet the way the club have handled themselves since has been truly amateur.

What is there plan if we lose 5-0 to Spurs and Ole's position becomes untenable?

We have a vital UCL game in three days time away in Italy.

Who manages the team for that?

Then 4 days after that we play City.

Surely the only people they could bring in to replace Ole at such short notice are people already within the club. Phelan, Carrick, McKenna seem most likely. Fletcher at a push maybe.

But surely the people who could step up even in the short term are as culpable for our current malaise as Ole himself.

Our biggest issue seems to be a lack of quality from our coaching, yet they are the coaches in question.

It seems almost pointless sacking Ole for Carrick or Phelan to manage the games against Atalanta and City. More of a token gesture to appease fans than a serious move to make a swift improvement in form.

The club have almost backed themselves into a corner that makes it difficult to almost pointless removing Ole before the City game. In doing so they have removed all power from their hands and placed it in the managers.

If Ole wins the next three games they can't sack him, regardless of how we play or how we get those wins.

We could play terrible football, with our goal under siege for 90 minutes every game and DDG make 25 world class saves, with us winning by a lucky deflected goal in each game. And still the club wouldn't be able to sack him because they have given him this chance.

We are a club that is run by utter amateurs who bumble from one mistake to the next, never learning, never improving due to a totally misplaced sense of arrogance.

They ballsed up every time when hiring a new manager, they ballsed up sacking each manager waiting too long or refusing to act. They ballsed up running the club under every manager.

They are now ballsing up sacking Ole, and they will balls up picking his replacement.

1.) 30 Oct 2021
30 Oct 2021 09:08:16
They will hire conte and that will be another huge mistake.

2.) 30 Oct 2021
30 Oct 2021 09:12:02
If if if if if. Relax shappy it may never happen.
You've supported one for 3 years telling us all nobody in the world could do better.
So now you've changed your mind you edict the board to jump.
What is it you called it when everyone realised before you that he was a complete bufoon. 'Throwing your toys out of the pram.
I'm sure a few weeks won't kill you.

3.) 30 Oct 2021
30 Oct 2021 09:36:09
Wondered how long before you'd come up with the back room staff being likely to take over as another reason to keep ole.

4.) 30 Oct 2021
30 Oct 2021 10:00:37
Tbf our goal being under siege all game and being outplayed but winning with two keepers errors and a lucky penalty is what convinced the board to give Ole the permanent job in the first place lol.

5.) 30 Oct 2021
30 Oct 2021 10:05:38
Shappy

I have posted many times over the years on here about planning or in United’s, the case the lack of it. I posted about this the other day, there seems to be a lack of short and long term planning, no succession planning.

To me it looks like they appointed Ole and sat back. When actually there should be a constant monitoring of managers in case there needs to be an immediate change for whatever reason. That clearly is not nor was not there. There seems to be no plan for any internal candidate, no plan for smooth transitions. They brought LvG in, how many times have I said it should have been to set up for Pep, yet they didn’t have a plan. So no short or long term plans. It is highlighted by excuses, never the right time, manager not available when we were looking. Rodgers is mooted, yet instead of being decisive, we support the failed project, who is to say Rodgers is not in someone else’s plan, they will get there before us

As a manager and leader you need to have succession planning in mind from day 1, it seems our lot have been caught with nothing. There are lots of fancy titles of roles yet no one seems to have considered Ole might fail, it’s basic management at fault.

6.) 30 Oct 2021
30 Oct 2021 10:25:14
It's a little hazy, but from what I recall, Ole took over after two successive defeats under Jose (coincidentally, a 2-1 CL defeat to Valencia and a 3-1 defeat vs Liverpool) . The Special One was removed after defeat to the bitter rivals, and immediately Ole oversaw a 5-1 victory away to Cardiff, followed by 7 more victories.
Not saying something similar would happen with a caretaker boss, but there are similarities for sure: Mourinho was sacked immediately after defeats against Liverpool and in the CL, then a completely underwhelming and unexpected appointment was made before Utd won 8 straight games convincingly. Can't remember the manner of those victories in terms of style, whether they were deemed negative even then, but they scored a handful and the 'feel good' factor was restored almost immediatately.
I'm not defending the mooted appointments of any of the existing back-room staff - I am as underwhelmed as anyone by the prospect, and find staring at Carrick et al's gormless clueless expressions from the dug-out each week as infuriating as any of Ole's post-match interviews. Just saying, there are parallels here and the change had an immediate impact back then.

7.) 30 Oct 2021
30 Oct 2021 11:34:22
Ken, I think the board have painted themselves into a corner that they just didn't have to do. It's silly and shows how little of a handle they have on running the club.

I stand by my previous statement, I don't think any other managers would have finished higher than 2nd last year and 3rd the year before. Especially when taken into context about how the club is run, the squad available, and the quality of the opposition. Are there better managers, of course, could they have done any better? I think not.

RedWhiskey, I think you've missed the point of my post. I'm not using the backroom staff potentially taking over as an excuse to keep Ole. I think Ole should have been sacked already. My point is how the club have handled things means that in reality is there any point in placing Carrick in charge? Sure he and the other coaches are just as culpable for the lack of coaching at the club?

If you sack Ole now we will have to play two key games with someone probably worse than Ole. It's a ridiculous situation that the club have allowed themselves to get into and it's entirely their own fault.

We have 6 points from 3 games in the UCL, we need a minimum of 10, probably 12 to qualify from the group. Lose at Atalanta and we need to be winning the last two games against Villarreal and Young boys.

Red Man, we are entirely on the same page here. The club is a shambles with not a single thought about tomorrow, just about today.

Spenno, I think the situations are very different. Firstly when Ole took over the club felt toxic, the players were in a very miserable place and he was able to lift that quickly. Fortunately that is something that can be changed quickly. He also had a run of very easy and winnable games.

Now though the issue isn't the players feeling down and miserable. It is that they don't have a clear plan and tactically we are lacking. That comes from the coaches as much as it does the manager. Putting one of those coaches in charge will not change how the team is being coached. It's just more of the same.
Secondly, even when a more tactically astute manager does come in that sort of thing takes time to work, the players need to spend hours working on the new tactics, the patterns of play etc on the training ground before they can consistently do it on the pitch in a match.

That's why we would be highly unlikely to see any real change if one of the coaches takes over.

8.) 30 Oct 2021
30 Oct 2021 11:43:03
I would agree Shappy that there aren't many cases of coaches taking over and doing significantly better than the manager they worked with. That guy at Newcastle doesn't stand a chance, despite bookies suggesting he's a candidate. If a coach did something radical to suggest they had different feelings about the personnel or formation then you might see that there were differences of opinion all along.

9.) 30 Oct 2021
30 Oct 2021 14:37:38
Which board are you referring to shappy?
You are the know it all explain the club structure?
You have no idea what your talking about.
Ed002 asked you a question above you have not answered.