03 Nov 2021 08:24:41
How long does this go on for?

If it wasn't for Ronaldo we would be in the bottom half of the table and most likely out of the CL already.

What are the Board seeing with Ole? There's no tactics, no improvement, players regressing under the coaching staff and generally poor decisions.

I'm so disappointed that Spurs have got Conte. They've landed a winner a top 5 manager in the world. Meanwhile, we've stuck with Ole who, frankly isn't even a top 12 manager in terms of ability.

1.) 03 Nov 2021
03 Nov 2021 09:17:50
Or alternatively without Ronaldo in the squad we would have a more balanced team and not be conceding as many goals and maybe be playing better as a team?

2.) 03 Nov 2021
03 Nov 2021 09:40:06
I think this is one of the problems that Ole has in attack. Individually Ronaldo/ Greenwood stats will look really good (and I love both) however I think that Ronaldo needs someone else up top with him or actual wingers that we have not been playing. Greenwood similar, stats wise he might look great on the right but he does not offer the best route for the team as looks to shoot rather than cross too often.
Unfortunately solving the Ronaldo issue leads to issues elsewhere. But, as Fresh said he has certainly saved Ole recently.

3.) 03 Nov 2021
03 Nov 2021 09:48:58
I do think it's a bit of a paradox with Ronaldo. He is of course being seen as saving us in a few games and scoring a few belters along the way, but we are having to play in a certain way to accommodate him at the same time, maybe leaving us more exposed. Hence the new formation which has conceded two in two. The next one is the test of the longevity of this formation but as he has avoided defeat since Liverpool I no longer think the City clash will dictate his fate. Had they lost all 3 I think he'd be gone.

4.) 03 Nov 2021
03 Nov 2021 09:51:17
Are you serious Shappy?

The reason we are conceding goals is our centre forward?

That’s absolute nonsense. The reason we concede goals is because there is no defensive organisation. Ole’s idea of defensive strategy is hold shape and hope for the best.

We have a defence that cost around £200m and they can’t keep a clean sheet. Did we buy poor defenders for massive money or is there problems with the coaching?

5.) 03 Nov 2021
03 Nov 2021 10:20:33
They all know what the problem is. But it's better to single out individual players, rather than the inept manager and his clueless coaching staff serving up their version of the United Way and DNA. Some are desperately clinging to hope that Ole would suddenly do a 360 and become a good coach. Even going as far as comparing his tenure to that of Sir Alex when he just came in. Wake up people. Ole will never ever ever ever be a good manager no matter how hard he tries or believes he is.

6.) 03 Nov 2021
03 Nov 2021 10:31:30
Yeah shappy it's nothing to do with the borewegian fraud and everything to do with Ronaldo.

Get a grip. Delusional.

7.) 03 Nov 2021
03 Nov 2021 10:32:55
It's hilarious that people are saying it's Ronaldo's fault we are poor.

Maguire is hopeless but he wouldn't be if Ronaldo pressed more? Fred and McTominay struggle to pass forward but if Ronaldo kept running the channels they'd find him for fun?

The reality is Ronaldo is 36 but is still one of the best forwards in the world. Create chances and he will score. He's too good at that to drop regularly so actually figure out how to utilise him and how to build a side to compensate for the drop in pressing from the front and be organised in defence/ midfield. We've been trying to accommodate players like Pogba or Maguire for years because they need someone next to them to do x or y to get the best out of them. Now we have one of the best ever and we're not willing to have a side compensate for him despite him saving results several times already this season. It's mad.

8.) 03 Nov 2021
03 Nov 2021 10:40:37
We've won 3 out of our last 11 games.

I repeat, we've won 3 out of our last 11.

When that happens, you fire the manager. Either his coaching is poor, his tactics are poor, his decisions are poor, or he simply can't get the best out of the players.

So the only answer to all of those issues is.

You guessed it, you fire the manager.

It's quite simple really.

9.) 03 Nov 2021
03 Nov 2021 10:44:42
Our manager has bought an entire backline and had 3 years in charge to organise the defence and they are getting progressively worse.

You can not blame the state of us defensively on Ronlado. We conceded first in nearly 2 dozens games last season. This is solely down to the manager and his incompetence.

10.) 03 Nov 2021
03 Nov 2021 10:46:31
I think Italy away for most teams is a difficult place to go. The way they set up is a lot like we did against spurs and we restricted them to zero shots on goal. They are organised and get men behind the ball and make it difficult.
All this ronaldo rescued us is BS. The media narrative even when we get a good point away from home in Europe. Ronaldo is a goal scorer scoring goals, he does his job and does it better than anyone else.

11.) 03 Nov 2021
03 Nov 2021 10:58:09
Ronaldo rescued us for sure. again.

12.) 03 Nov 2021
03 Nov 2021 11:26:05
Pretty sure we conceded first in a high volume of games last season, our unbeaten away record was built on coming from behind. The issues have been there long before Ronaldo so it’s unfair to say he’s a factor behind it. Clearly it’s coaching and the fact that neither the defence or midfield play, work and move as units. There should be a cohesion between the two and there isn’t, look at some stills of the pitch and the players are dotted randomly all over the place.

13.) 03 Nov 2021
03 Nov 2021 11:27:20
The team we have now, the starting 11 and the main subs we use. would be a dream team to take on as a manager! With the right person in charge, this team would be a team to fear.

14.) 03 Nov 2021
03 Nov 2021 11:32:26
Posters will say the most outlandish things to defend the incompetence of the INEPT ONE.

15.) 03 Nov 2021
03 Nov 2021 11:41:13
So ronaldo is now to blame for us conceding crazy amount of goals every game, ole cultists will really blame anyone but their one true lord.

16.) 03 Nov 2021
03 Nov 2021 11:48:52
Lollllll I thought Shappy couldn't get any funnier but then this happened. Lolllllll.

17.) 03 Nov 2021
03 Nov 2021 11:54:53
No credibility left at all imo Singh.

18.) 03 Nov 2021
03 Nov 2021 12:23:13
I'm not defending Ole, he is where the buck stops.

Merely pointing out that both our performances and our results have nose dived since Ronaldo joined.

There could be many reasons for it, maybe the rest of the squad are working a little less and taking less responsibility because they think Ronaldo will do it.

Certainly most people probably agree that Cavani needs to play in our strongest 11, while we can't not play Ronaldo. That in itself forces us to alter our shape and tactics to fit them both in.

Clearly better coaching solves the issue, or a stronger manager prepared to bench a player with a big ego and handle that situation.

While Ole wasn't ripping up any trees he was steadily plodding along, the signing of Ronaldo seems to be the catalyst in a dramatic down turn in results and a clear drop off in performances.

Ronaldo wasn't digging Ole out last year as we coasted to 2nd place, yet this year with him we are struggling to stay in the top 6 let alone the top 4.

I'm not blaming Ronaldo, he's a great player and used correctly could be the difference maker between competing and winning.

Yet it is as clear as day that his mere presence is the catalyst in in Ole's downfall. it has highlighted his inability to get the best out of players or handle big egos effectively.

19.) 03 Nov 2021
03 Nov 2021 12:38:34
Haven’t been posting long, but long enough to know this Shappy gentleman doesn’t know what he’s on about.

There are some players in the world that no matter what, when they’re available you accommodate. Ronaldo, Messi, Salah, Lewandowski but to name a few.

Ronaldo signing not only guarantees you goals (remember everyone creaming themselves about Kane or Lukaku who guaranteed you “25-30” a game) . Ronaldo brings in more revenue to the club in addition.

What I want to know is how Sancho feels. Greenwood came on yesterday in the exact place Sancho was signed for. Greenwood is a top player but Sancho needs a run in the team to get confident. VDB look good for the last 5-6 minutes. I fear he’s going to leave in January and go and kill it elsewhere.

I liked Pogba but he slows the play down too much and comes across arrogant but doesn’t back up the arrogance. Let him leave. Drop him and Maguire. Very impressed by Bailly- Ronaldo scored 2 goals but Bailly probably saved more than 2. Varane and Bailly at CD would be interesting pairing.

20.) 03 Nov 2021
03 Nov 2021 12:39:11
Coasting were we shappy? We were in 6th position having 19 points after 10 games last season. May be its just me but i wouldn't call it coasting, only difference is city started slowly, the chelsea ole got found out in December and liverpool had a crazy injury crisis.

21.) 03 Nov 2021
03 Nov 2021 13:01:37
SWYW, I'd imagine Sancho isn't over the moon about it. But honestly based on performances this season for Manchester United who deserves to play more Greenwood or Sancho?

If Sancho was signed for 25m no one would be questioning whether he should be staring more. It's clearly a situation where a players fee is so large it almost feels like it should guarantee them starting.

You force your way into the team with both your performances in training and with the minutes you are afforded in the first team when you get them.

22.) 03 Nov 2021
03 Nov 2021 13:07:12
CSM, I'd say over the course of last season I'd best describe our performances as coasting. At no point did we look like we were giving it our all or performing at our best.

We half arsed it into second place. I don't for one minute believe that we could have finished second had Liverpool and Chelsea played last season in the same form they are playing this one.

Do you think we played last season at the best of our ability? The peak of our potential?

I don't think we got out of 3rd gear more than half a dozen times last season. I think we played at maybe 70% of what our side was capable of. Ergo I think its fair to say we coasted last season.

23.) 03 Nov 2021
03 Nov 2021 13:13:41
Yet again spouting utter rubbish. The fact of the matter is, ole has finally been found out for the fraud he is. He cannot coach, nor can his team around him. We have the most prolific goal scorer ever in our team yet suddenly he's the reason Ole can't get a tune out of this team? He's not gotten a tune out of this team ever, he gets lucky results.

The lengths you will go to deflect blame from Ole is actually embarrassing.

24.) 03 Nov 2021
03 Nov 2021 13:32:42
We can post, talk, shout as much as we want to but it is quite simple that the problem is Ole.

25.) 03 Nov 2021
03 Nov 2021 13:57:23
We finished 2nd last year mainly because of C.V., Bruno and injuries to other teams.

If liverpool had their defenders fit we wouldn't have been 2nd.

Chelsea had a new manager last year as well or they wouldve finished above us.

Man City have a good manager and a hewlthy squad that's why they finished champions and to be fair they wouldn't have been champions either if Liverpool had their defenders fit.

Shappy you talk so much nonsense just to back Ole up it really is astonishing.

If Ronaldo wasnt there last night or the previous few nights I am very sure we won't have won any of those games as I don't trust any of the other forwards apart from Cavani who could get injured at any given time.

OLE didn't do anything special last year to get to second its the circumstances of other teams made him achieve 2nd.

This year is different and that's why we will struggle and we are where we are because of that and if it isn't for Ronaldo scoring and De Gea mking world class saves we would be out the champs group and probably around 7th or 8th in the league.

But No Ronaldo is the problemmmm Lollllllllllllll.

26.) 03 Nov 2021
03 Nov 2021 13:58:50
Ken trust me I used to like reading his posts because he used to talk about tactics and stuff like that but now it is just Waffles after waffles to cover the previous waffle.

27.) 03 Nov 2021
03 Nov 2021 14:02:10
RedWhiskey, what's embarrassing is your lack of comprehension.

At no point in my post have I defended Ole, you just think I am based on your preconceived ideas about me and what I post.

Take this first line of my post: "I'm not defending Ole, he is where the buck stops".

In what way does that sound like a deflection of blame from Ole?

I clearly state the buck stops with him, it is his responsibility and his failure.

What about this line: "Clearly better coaching solves the issue, or a stronger manager prepared to bench a player with a big ego and handle that situation. "

Does that sound like a defence or deflection.

There's a saying "when you assume you make an ass out of you and me". Just because you assume you know what I am/ will say that doesn't mean you are right in that assumption.

Many people on this thread I think have fallen foul of that.

Two months ago many people on here said the signing of Ronaldo would be Ole's downfall. Ronaldo wouldn't accept the poor performances, he is a winner, etc etc.

What I am saying here is that maybe people were right, but for the wrong reason. Ronaldo does indeed seem to be the catalyst for Ole's downfall. But rather than lead a revolt in the dressing room against him, he has shown Ole's tactical limitations and his naivety for all to see.

United aren't struggling because Ronaldo isn't good enough, but because Ole isn't able to create a side that gets the best out of him and the other players in his squad. Nor does Ole seem strong enough to drop some big personalities for the good of the team.

What I suggesting is if Ronaldo wasn't signed then maybe these issues wouldn't have been laid bare in such a public way. Maybe the raised level of expectation wouldn't have made more people ask questions of Ole's management. Maybe with one less option to try and squeeze into the line up things would be less complicated for Ole and easier to pick a team that works better as a collective. Maybe without Ronaldo we would have seen Sancho play more and give us a better balance.

If any of those have any truth in them then maybe its true that the signing of Ronaldo has been the undoing of Ole.

28.) 03 Nov 2021
03 Nov 2021 14:18:42
Singh, learn to read without the blinkers on. I have been Ole out for weeks. I'm not trying to defend Ole or make excuses for him, or suggest the club keep him as manager.

Read what is written, not what you expect to read.

Clearly some people are under the delusion that ALL that is wrong with our club is Ole and the moment he leaves everything will be rosy in the garden. We'll win every game 5-0, go unbeaten and win the quadruple.

You're living in a fairy land. Ole is the a big factor in our problems, yet he isn't the only issue.

The poor running of the club, that includes signing players the manager hadn't planned on is a problem and will continue to be after Ole leaves. Players have a responsibility to work hard and play well. While tactics can make things easier or harder for them, they still have to take responsibility for their own mistakes and failings. Maguire won't become Beckenbauer when Ole walks out the door. Fred giving the ball away, Pogba not tracking his runner, Rashford running down a blind alley, Bruno taking a shot when others are in a better position are all individual mistakes that don't happen because the tactics were wrong.

Ole is a problem, he is stopping this side reaching its potential and he needs to be sacked the moment the club have a clear plan and a candidate to replace him.

But we do ourselves no favours if we don't explore every factor at our club and just try to simplify everything down to just one factor being at fault or to blame.

29.) 03 Nov 2021
03 Nov 2021 14:48:18
Maybe Ole didn't really want Ronaldo but it was forced on by Ferguson and Woodward.

30.) 03 Nov 2021
03 Nov 2021 15:00:52
Since anyone who questions you can't read, why don't you and anyone who you think can read explain be the below part

This is what you posted, which i replied to

Ronaldo wasn't digging Ole out last year as we coasted to 2nd place, yet this year with him we are struggling to stay in the top 6 let alone the top 4.

But apparently by coasting you mean without putting in your best effort, do you think we are putting in our best effort this season? otherwise aren't we coasting this season as well and in a similar position with similar points as last season.

31.) 03 Nov 2021
03 Nov 2021 15:03:01
"If any of those have any truth in them then maybe its true that the signing of Ronaldo has been the undoing of Ole" Shappy, Ole was a crap manager before Ronaldo arrived, the only truth is, it doesn't matter who we sign, as long as the fraud that calls himself a coach is at our club, we will fail. The only thing he has is luck on his side.

32.) 03 Nov 2021
03 Nov 2021 17:51:51
CSM, are you always this hyperbolic?

I'm not saying people who question what I say can't read. I'm saying people questioning something I haven't said can't read or comprehend what I'm actually saying. I have even given examples. Of them misquoting/ misunderstanding me based off of them assuming what I'm going to say rather than reading what I've actually said.

Are we giving our all this season? Probably not, we certainly aren't playing to our full potential so it would be fair to say we are coasting this season. Although maybe a better word to use would be drifting as we seem fairly aimless rather than unmotivated.

There are three differences between this season and last season for me.

Firstly, we have less points this season having played teams that are relatively poorer than those we played at the same point last season.

Secondly, this season we are steadily getting worse and things seem to be sliding.

Thirdly, there is supposed to be an improvement each season. You can't add players like Varane, Sancho and Ronaldo to a side and not see any improvement. If Ole can't improve the results with three world class players then he simply never will. He's peaked, this is as good as he can do. That might be enough when other sides are having a poor season, but he can't genuinely compete when other sides are playing well.

I'm not sure there is a lot of genuine comparison between last season and this.

33.) 03 Nov 2021
03 Nov 2021 17:55:26
Inhope, Ole is an average manager who gets average results regardless of whether he has a good, great or average squad.

While Ronaldo signing doesn't either improve or reduce Ole's ability to coach/ manage. What it does do is create a potentially harder situation to manage effectively, especially for an average manager.

I think it's a little more than luck for Ole being able to dig out a result. But it's clear that it is not enough and it's time for the club to sack him and move on.