06 Apr 2022 19:47:43
Very very excited about EtH. Complete reset with a new exciting manager is what we need.


1.) 06 Apr 2022
06 Apr 2022 20:28:01
Agree just hope he gets the backing and time as this ain’t no quick fix.


2.) 06 Apr 2022
06 Apr 2022 20:36:10
Like someone mentioned below, I think for me I'll have to judge him on who he ships out first and foremost. Far too many overpaid premadonnas at the club and I hope he draws a line and anyone who crosses it gets shipped out.


3.) 06 Apr 2022
06 Apr 2022 21:10:37
If the answer is Ten Hag, then I am not overwhelmed and retain some concerns. This is going to be a very tough gig, I am not sure TH is that level. I felt Simeone would be best and remain intrigued by Enrique, the club not being willing to wait could be a mistake. I may be wrong, but it would not surprise me to see Enrique at City. I am certainly not against it as I was with the Norwegian and Moyes, but there is a bit of ambivalence. TH had a first class academy behind him, everyone pulling in the same direction at Ajax, he won’t have that and he has to be strong enough to deal with the structure.

If it is TH then good luck, he will need it.


4.) 06 Apr 2022
06 Apr 2022 21:52:20
Its probably the toughest gig in football at the moment Red, but EtH cannot lose. If he fails at United he can blame the lack of support/ structure at the club and will easily get another club, probably in Germany and if he succeeds, he is a genius.

Simone isn't a United manager, he builds great underdog teams, that is not United.


5.) 06 Apr 2022
06 Apr 2022 23:15:08
Simeone? Never in a million years.


6.) 06 Apr 2022
06 Apr 2022 23:17:05
RedMan, we share the same history at United. But if you watched last night and thought the football Athletico played (or not played) is what you want to watch at United, then I fear for our club.


7.) 06 Apr 2022
06 Apr 2022 23:23:18
Redwhiskey, I too am excited. But Ten Hag cannot do it without the backing of the club. I'll be really excited if I see changes at the top.
Will they get rid of Pogba, Lingard, bailly, mata, matic, Pereira, Martial, Cavani and will they buy players with skill AND character?
Will they get rid of Phelan?
The jury is out. Ten Hag will be superb with the right structure, but if they continue what they're doing now, then he'll be gone in two years.


8.) 07 Apr 2022
07 Apr 2022 02:10:33
Simeone lower down my list than Alardyce.


9.) 07 Apr 2022
07 Apr 2022 02:12:17
Simeone is so antifootball it's unreal.


10.) 07 Apr 2022
07 Apr 2022 02:18:30
The stories are already out to undermine him.

Fees to Ajax are more palatable at 2m for him and some backroom staff, verses 15m plus for Poch.

Joel has overruled the advisors at Utd who were unsure and wanted Poch.

EtH wants to bring a handful of players with him from Ajax.


I love the idea of bringing him in. Ship out the un wanted and pre madonnas. Let him judge who they are by the way, not those above him, in the media, the stands or the sofas. Give the guy the final say on who he wants in his squad to move forward, and let the rebuild begin.

Looking like we have a season out of the UCL. So use it to blood an up and coming squad to gel in year 1 and blossom year 2 onwards.

I just hope he finds a style that works in the EPL and for the hungry fans of Manchester.

If he actually joins that is.


11.) 07 Apr 2022
07 Apr 2022 06:20:40
Ten Hag genuinely improves the players which is a very important aspect.
He trusts youngsters which again goes with our club's DNA.

His first challenge would be to bring in new recruits with the right mentality.


12.) 07 Apr 2022
07 Apr 2022 06:28:50
Dodgy

“ Joel has overruled the advisors at Utd who were unsure and wanted Poch. ” I don’t know if that is true but it would be concerning

AAA and others
As to Simeone, yes most disagree but given where we are we need a strong leader, I don’t see that in Ten Hag. We shall see.


13.) 07 Apr 2022
07 Apr 2022 07:07:23
Guys, Red Man has a type. He doesn't really care for good or entertaining football he just likes a manager who has an edge about them, someone who's a bit of a hard nosed person.

He was a big fan of Jose Mourinho, and has been a big advocate of both Simeone and Conte in the past.

All tend to play defensive reactionary football rather than offensive progressive football.

I guess some like blondes others brunettes, then you have Red Man who has a thing for the crazy fiery red heads ?.


14.) 07 Apr 2022
07 Apr 2022 07:07:56
Erm, actually Red Man, Ten Hag is said to be principled and strict with his players down right to dress codes.

He seems nice and soft but he's very much far from that.

Guess who the soft one is when it comes to handling players and their egos between him and Poch? . Yes the latter.


15.) 07 Apr 2022
07 Apr 2022 07:27:16
Excited by this appointment, like many have said though, it's only one piece of the jigsaw. Ten Hag will need time, the right players and to find a way to get the best out if those who are here.


16.) 07 Apr 2022
07 Apr 2022 08:19:44
Redman I am so happy your not the one picking managers simone style of play is atrocious worst team to watch in the whole world of football, hate the theatrics that he instills on his players. If he was hired I don't think I could watch the team at all.

Ten Hag definitely is the most exciting manager we could have got but at the same time I feel it isn't the right time for a manager like him I think poch then a manager like Hag due to the squad and structure not really being suited to him. But at the same time, I think this might be the most I have looked forward to watching football next season than I have for the last 7 or so years.


17.) 07 Apr 2022
07 Apr 2022 08:28:25
Really GDS, I know it's a joke but Simeone is class, takes no prisoners whatsoever.

I'm glad ETH is there, as it feels like a reset for the club. But time will tell, I'm hoping the structure will be there for him.


18.) 07 Apr 2022
07 Apr 2022 08:39:20
Kane, Rice and Neves are the papers' favourite first signings for ten Hag. Urgh.
In other news, fan favourite Araujo has signed a new deal with Barcelona so we need to find a different CB to eye up.


19.) 07 Apr 2022
07 Apr 2022 08:51:14
RedMan, agree that Simeone is a strong personality.
However, our match going fans will really hate his footballing style week in week out.

Yesterday his team didn't have a single shot on target.
Their only plan was to nullify the opposition.


20.) 07 Apr 2022
07 Apr 2022 09:28:42
Red Man, I have lots of Dutch friends over here. Many are Ajax fans. They all say the same thing about Ten Hag he is very strict, trains hard, and expects his players to behave. He's not a Conte character, but very motivated and strict.


21.) 07 Apr 2022
07 Apr 2022 09:50:05
Dodgy, I suspect it's sour grapes from those at the club who wanted Pochettino. Which for me is the bigger concern.

It's one thing to have a player leaking things to the press because they aren't happy. It's another entirely if it's a board member someone from upper management.

Despite our clubs best efforts to prove otherwise players can be easily enough sold or moved on.

As for the quote that Joel Glazer overruled advisors. I think that very much depends on which advisors your talking about.

Supposedly Ralf Rangnick favours EtH, as does Murtaugh and Arnold.

So who are these advisors that wanted Pochettino that have been overruled?

And surely if Joel Glazer decided Pochettino was the best option then wouldn't he be overruling our CEO, DoF and highly regarded football consultant?

If there is a split of opinion then he will have to go against some people.

I find it very odd that we know who at the club wanted and supported EtH but none of the people who are unhappy that it isn't Pochettino are happy to publicly put there name by him. Why is that?

Who is it who is operating in the shadows, pushing an agenda without publicly revealing themselves?

I wonder if it is the same advisors who suggested Moyes to Joel Glazer, or LvG, or Mourinho or Ole.

Maybe it's the same advisor who has advised some of our recent terrible appointments and maybe that has played a role in Joel Glazer going against the grain and listening to the football special-ists the club have employed recently instead of the same old voices that have given us Moyes, LvG and Ole.


22.) 07 Apr 2022
07 Apr 2022 10:01:14
I hope you are all correct, I am not against TH as I was with Moyes and Ole, but I have concerns the set up will leave him exposed, at Ajax, like Barcelona everything is set up. At Utd it’s a mess.

Shappy
We have had various conversations on new managers and I think you heralded them all, maybe not Jose do much, before gradually going off them. Simeone would win things at Utd, would turn us around even with the idiots above. Winning is what matters. Enrique was the interesting one but seemingly ignored. As with other Managers I give my opinion and see what happens, haven’t got it wrong so far though.

Good luck to TH if that is confirmed yet I am not fully convinced he can bring glory back, but hope so.


23.) 07 Apr 2022
07 Apr 2022 10:08:13
I agree that winning is what matters Red Man, but I do want to enjoy my team playing. I hate watching his teams, if he could play a bit more attacking football he would have been perfect, but he hasn't shown that (at least in the games I have watched) .

Great manager, but I think he is in the perfect place and treated like a god where he is.


24.) 07 Apr 2022
07 Apr 2022 10:34:18
Red Man, I think this is where me and you differ. I'm not confident in ANY manager winning things at the club under the current set up. Or at least the set up we have had over the past 10 years.

For me, with the way the club has been run the only way to win anything is with some good fortune in a cup run.

I wouldn't be confident that Simeone would win things, and I wouldn't be confident that the club would back him or that the players would react any differently to his form of discipline and management to how they reacted to Jose. In fact I expect given how the Jose thing panned out I'd expect the players to turn quicker and harder against someone like Simeone.

Someone like Simeone in my opinion would only work IF the club were to change how they run the club AND fully back the manager.

However, that's probably true for any manager to be a success.

In which case I'd rather have a manager who has a track record of giving youth a chance, developing players and playing entertaining football.

As winning things cannot be guaranteed.

My hope is more in the changes that are happening behind the scenes. Richard Arnold apparently knows his limitations and has no intention on playing fantasy football like Woodward seemed to. We now have Murtaugh and Fletcher having some role, maybe they don't have the best CV's or track record but at least we have people who understand football making football decisions. Ralf Rangnick has a fantastic track record of building clubs up, putting in a winning structure. With his involvement comes more hope that we might be heading in the right direction.

It's all hope of course, there might not be any real change in how the club is run. But at least there is hope that it's changing and evolving now.

The choice of EtH seems to suggest that we are moving away from the type of choices we made in the past and looking to do things in a different way.

Just a case of sitting back and seeing what happens now.

Personally I think it will take 2-3 years before we have a team that can truly challenge AND potentially win.

A team that can push for the title right up until May and not February.

I think we have 10-15 players that need moving on because they either don't have the right attitude, have enough talent, or suit how EtH will look to play.

Obviously those players will need replacing either through transfers or from the academy.

I don't expect every signing to work out. If we sign 4 players in the summer I'd expect at least 1 not to work out as planned.

So to bring in 10 players who are good enough might actually mean bringing in 12-14 players. With a few missing the mark.

While developing kids from the academy takes a few years in the first team in most cases.

However, maybe EtH is a phenomenal coach and better than we realise, maybe he can make players like Shaw, Maguire, AWB and McTominay into great players who are good enough.

Either way patience is needed, we as a fan base cannot start turning on the next manager after one or two seasons without a title challenge or winning a cup. We've dropped much further behind than many of us care to admit, and it's a long road back. We need to have the fortitude to stick with it, take the rough with the smooth.


25.) 07 Apr 2022
07 Apr 2022 11:41:42
Let's forget Enrique. Unavailable until potentially the end of the year. Utd need someone full-time immediately who is going to put 100% of their time and effort into it, not be juggling international teams on the side and all that goes with that.
I am assuming ten Hag will remain at Ajax until the end of the Dutch season, arguably it would be best to keep Ralph in charge at Utd for the remainder of this season too rather than throw ten Hag into the mix without some preparation.


26.) 07 Apr 2022
07 Apr 2022 13:24:43
Enrique is a good manager without a shadow of a doubt, but so is Pep, and Klopp, and Flick and Zidane, and Tuchel, and Nagelsmann, and Galtier, and Mancini, and Sarri and yes even Conte and Simeone.

We can all name good managers, but how many of them are available AND would be willing to come to United?

Rumours are we shortlisted Enrique but didn't interview him. Now is that because the club decided against it, or did Enrique say he wasn't interested in being interviewed?

Ultimately we don't know and little can be gained from pining over managers who aren't going to be here with us next season.

It looks like we are hiring one of the best up and coming managers, someone who is highly rated, and someone who has the momentum behind them.

It's a change from the norm when we have tended to hire the "experienced" option, but very much an option that is on the decline.

Ole is the exception to the rule, but he was never brought into the club to be our manager. However, circumstances played out as they did making it difficult for weak men who don't really understand football to resist giving him the job on a full time basis.

Maybe if Woodward had bigger cajones then he'd have waited until the end of the season and probably have brought in Pochettino as things turned out.

EtH is an obvious change in step the club is making. Hopefully they are willing to do what is necessary to make it work.


27.) 07 Apr 2022
07 Apr 2022 19:13:46
Red Man, you mention that Ten Hag will not bring success, but I can guarantee that Simeone will not be successful in the PL. the successful clubs in our league are very attack minded and score goals for fun. This is not Simeone's style. We will never anything with him in charge.


28.) 07 Apr 2022
07 Apr 2022 20:31:11
AAA

I didn’t say “will not” but said I have concerns he could, but different.

Shappy

You spent months telling us all on here how well Ole was doing, improving year on year and building a team to win etc so forgive me if I doubt your platitudes to TH at the moment.