07 Oct 2024 09:22:22
Can I be very clear.
Nobody thinks a new manager will solve all our issues.
Nobody thinks a new manager will ssuddenly have us in the top 2.
Nobody thinks a new manager will come in a change things overnight.
Nobody thinks our squad is ideal and that a new manager won't face problems like his predecessors.
So why change?
I want a change because I don't trust eth or his character.
I don't trust his judgement.
His results are horrendous
Are playing style is non existent.
He has not got an eye for a player.
He does not understand the epl
He has shown no improvement
He has shown he is stubborn to a fault.
He has no pedigree at this level.
The longer our players have played under him the more they have dis-improved.
Nobody thinks that a new manager can wave a magic want but everybody thinks a new manager would give us a better chance long term than sticking with eth who is an awful character and has been an awful manager for this club.
Everybody understands its not a quick fix but everybody also understands we need to be on a path of improvement but eth has us on a road to destruction and despair.


1.) 07 Oct 2024
07 Oct 2024 09:59:36
Couldn't agree more.


2.) 07 Oct 2024
07 Oct 2024 10:13:33
Agreed. Genuinely why shouldn’t we remove him now? Is eth going to see out the last year of his contract? No. Is there going to be a miracle turnaround? No. So other than his payoff why keep him. Make no mistake if this continues the club will be toxic, the coaches will be damaged, the players confidence and morale shot, the clubs reputation and finances take a huge hit and the fans will be thoroughly miserable. Better to remove him now and try to get something positive going, then build on it with either with a new Manager now or in the summer. Imagine another 3/ 4 months of this! it could set us back even further than we already are. Sometimes u have to admit and rectify the mistake, he should have gone in the summer but that’s no excuse to just keep him now. INEOS might look stupid but they’ll look even worse if this drags on and on.


3.) 07 Oct 2024
07 Oct 2024 10:46:01
Yep. Well said.


4.) 07 Oct 2024
07 Oct 2024 11:06:26
Using words like everybody and nobody, us a huge generalisation Ken.
Your not too shy of those, but in this instance your are wrong, when you commit your generalisations to paper.
The only toxicity is from the plastics melting as they throw their dummies out, again.


5.) 07 Oct 2024
07 Oct 2024 11:18:06
Welcome back James!
I except its not everybody silly me. Its like saying everybody doesn't want a nuclear war but there will always be the odd exception so your right Jim it's not everybody just the vast majority.


6.) 07 Oct 2024
07 Oct 2024 11:41:04
Is 14th place after 7 games fine for you jimbobred?
Also is the quality of football fine for you? Does the standard of football match the price we have paid for the players in the past 3 seasons?

Let’s hear what your opinion is rather than saying someone else is wrong.


7.) 07 Oct 2024
07 Oct 2024 11:45:54
Ken, for a guy that literally has nothing. I have no idea how he has gotten this far in life as a coach/ manager. And those with greater knowledge than you or I rate him.

I think you should've done your badges mate, you'd have sorted all of this right out ?

Jokes aside, I believe the problem is greater than ETH.

I.


8.) 07 Oct 2024
07 Oct 2024 11:49:25
Sorry pressed reply by mistake.

INEOS have only just put a new structure in place. Whether or not ETH is the right or wrong man for the future, they have obviously decided that they are going to give him time and I am absolutely okay with that. There has been an exceptional amount of upheaval and moving pieces in the last few months and the ones that you trust Ken, your words, have decided that ETH stays.

You said you'd back what INEOS do and they have decided to keep him and back him. Looking forward to your future posts backing the manager ?.


9.) 07 Oct 2024
07 Oct 2024 12:29:56
Did the same fans here call for SAF head after his first 5 seasons? I wonder how they feel about that now.

I'm here to trust the process, whether that includes ETH or not.


10.) 07 Oct 2024
07 Oct 2024 12:50:16
SAF was struggling 35 years ago.
It’s a different game on and off the pitch.

EtH also hasn’t achieved what SAF achieved prior to joining Utd. I don’t think you can compare the two.

EtH isn’t fit to shine Sir Alex’s shoes.


11.) 07 Oct 2024
07 Oct 2024 13:30:12
Utd road, easy saying that considering what SAF achieved. But it took him a good few years before he was able to get it properly moving.

Different time etc etc. he was given the time, even though fans wanted him gone.

I trust the judgment of INEOS far greater than any poster on here.


12.) 07 Oct 2024
07 Oct 2024 14:03:29
This is not to support keeping him but.

ETH joined Ajax in 2017. He won three Eredivisie titles, two KNVB Cups, and led the team to the semi-finals of the 2018–19 UEFA Champions League. Do his prior achievements compare to SAF at Aberdeen? Probably not, but to suggest that he had no qualifications is ridiculous. And, if I remember correctly there were plenty advocates for him on this site the year before he became our manager.

I'm sure we all share the same concerns and doubts. It's been a terrible start to the season. A number of players seem to have regressed. a phenomenon that has come to pass under every manager of the last dozen years. Many of the signings look like they are unlikely to make a positive difference, at least not with ETH as manager.

The primary challenge for the new executive team is to fix the bad vibes, errant psychology and outdated structure which has been manifesting itself in this cycle of failed managers and players whose transfer to United is the kiss of death to their careers. As bad as we are, maybe they will decide to stick to their guns - fearing not doing so will perpetuate the cycle and not turn out well - and if they make that decision then we amateurs will just have to put up with it. Either way, I hope they make a wise decision and do not let the armchair critics and the press force them into making another mistake.


13.) 07 Oct 2024
07 Oct 2024 14:14:35
INEOS have done nothing at all to warrant full trust of the fans. Their Swiss team which they vowed would be fighting for the title is a yoyo club, relegation/ promotion/ relegation.

Nice? They are not pulling up trees there either. And the shambles manager hunt around Europe in the summer tops the cake.

It’s ? (angelred language) at people come on here trying to take the moral high ground, in INEOS we trust ??. i’ve a got a bridge to sell you.


14.) 07 Oct 2024
07 Oct 2024 14:34:50
Bringing in Ashworth, Wilcox, Berrada surely warrants the fans trusting them? Nice you've given them all of 3 months though.


15.) 07 Oct 2024
07 Oct 2024 15:09:36
angelred

Amen. We are outnumbered atm but hopefully that will change in the near future. It feels like a trump rally here lol.


16.) 07 Oct 2024
07 Oct 2024 16:01:18
G-Nev SJR has come out and said INEOS nor him are making the decision at the club regarding the manager, he is leaving it to those hired in their respective roles.

Are you then doubting the credentials of Berrada and Ashworth? Why don't you pull up their history in football rather than that of Nice and FC Lausanne.


17.) 07 Oct 2024
07 Oct 2024 16:07:01
Trump rally. Love it ?.


18.) 07 Oct 2024
07 Oct 2024 16:40:45
Ahmad, let me remind you its not a competition buddy (certainly not a close one ??) . You, me Ken, Red Man, Shappy, angelred and all others want what's best for the club. What differs is how we wish the club would go about it. I am not here to convince you to join my wagon and neither will i ever be convinced to join yours.

I understand that its a process and we have a new structure in place. But since when was the football played in board rooms? What happens on the field is EtH responsibility. How can anyone not hold him guilty for what we are seeing is beyond me. What i feel is that the longer we dither on this, the lesser Manchester United becomes an exciting proposition to sell to any new player or any new manager to come in.


19.) 07 Oct 2024
07 Oct 2024 16:53:37
People keep mentioning ineos so ill respond with ineos. They vowed to get both them clubs challenging, its like an open ended book. When we talking Sir the lord Jim. Because they’ve been relegated since you took ownership.


20.) 07 Oct 2024
07 Oct 2024 16:55:09
Gnev, no one is trying to take the moral high ground. Not sure where you get that from. Could be your difficulty with reading.

I just would trust their judgement a lot more than anyone on here to be honest. I think they've a bit more knowledge. Could be wrong though ?.


21.) 07 Oct 2024
07 Oct 2024 17:34:29
Their judgement is they don’t want him otherwise they wouldn’t have been ploughing through Europe looking for a new coach ? you’re not that daft surely? ??.


22.) 07 Oct 2024
07 Oct 2024 18:06:28
United addict

Its the international break and you guys can keep going at it. I am tired tbh and I am just a mellow guy and not bothered by some of exaggerated stuff people write. I think it would be good if people posted how old they are and how long have they watched or followed united.

Some of the people here were doing this during Fergie's years and saying he should retire and he is past it. They know exactly who they are.

I think he is the greatest manager there has been but by no means perfect and I think we underperformed in Europe during his tenure with the teams we had. I also think he left an aging squad that needed rebuilding when he retired. I also don't think he was the greatest tactician but an incredible winner.

How hard is it to read the room, they said 3 years and 3 windows after doing a deep dive into the club. Change is not linear and you can have periods where you actually struggle before it takes shape.

I agree football has changed a lot from fergie years. Balance of the league has changed, quality of coaches, training, physical and technical demands etc etc

When people use United standards and how we have lowered our expectations and standards its a vogue thing to say. What are we talking about? Fergie standards?

We won 7 league titles in 115 years prior to Fergie. Is that a prolific winning rate in your opinion. It took Fergie 7 years to win a league title and 13 years to win a CL title. We had one European title in 122 years until Fergie.

Some of the things being posted is revisionist stuff with little context or even factual.

Post Fergie and Gill, we had an old squad that needed rebuilding. we have exasperated things for the worse by poor leadership at the club, poor structure, poor recruitment, poor academy, changing managers and looking for a quick 2 year fix to reach the promised land. Its designed to fail if you go by the fans patient's barometer.

When people start saying If Ineos does not sack the manager they don't know what they are doing, in actual facts its the people saying this stuff who don't know what you are talking about.

Its fickle fan base 87% percent wanted him to stay 4 months ago and now 70% want him gone. Spend and immediate improvement are not linear either and if I have to explain that I can't be bothered.

I have never changed my view and probably said it 20 times now even before all the current noise. Ask me after 10 games, ask me at midseason.

Is he the wrong guy? not seen enough to convince me of that and that's just my opinion. I do not look at last year as a barometer and believe injuries killed us and if people think that's an excuse then that is where we agree to disagree.

I might come across as a avid eth guy but its not the case, I just think some of the things being posted are so much hyperbole and farfetched that I need to say something and I am not the most eloquent poster as some others here are. Math was my undergrad major and post grad in business and very comfortable with numbers. After all can't let you guys have all the fun:)

Enjoy the break and hope our players come back with no injuries.


23.) 08 Oct 2024
08 Oct 2024 01:48:57
Gnev, he is still there. So who's daft?


24.) 08 Oct 2024
08 Oct 2024 03:20:22
Dis-improved? Lol.


25.) 08 Oct 2024
08 Oct 2024 03:46:03
Jeez I wish people could learn some basics on the English language.
In any case, questions posed to me specifically aren't really relevant.
Is 14th good enough. meh, it is 7 games in, not 27.
Is the football good enough. meh, it has been dire for 2 decades, what are you even talking about? Stupid question, again.
Cost of players. blah blah, nonsense question, it isn't your money, reign your head in buddy.
Trust the process, if EtH stays, and I really hope he does, you will all be on hear singing his praises, all of you.


26.) 08 Oct 2024
08 Oct 2024 04:09:57
Basics of the English language.

“You will all be on hear”

Love it.


27.) 08 Oct 2024
08 Oct 2024 09:10:54
All you can do is give them the rope keefy, they do the rest themselves.


28.) 08 Oct 2024
08 Oct 2024 09:39:49
I stopped after the default b badge angel it's just a happy the a license and pro are for purple who want to make a living from it and that's not for me. Although I plan to retire in the next 18 months so I might do the a license but it's a young man's game so I probably won't.

I will support the manager when he earns my support. I has not I think he should be removed. Until then I will support the team and hope the manager turns it around.

I don't think he will I don't think he is capable. It's possible to have a different opinion but still support the decision makers. I support the decision makers but don't agree with all their decisions.

My opinion is irrelevant to them so won't sway them.


29.) 08 Oct 2024
08 Oct 2024 09:44:08
Kurtis I don't remember much of the late 80s (uni years all a bit of a blur) I think I would probably have been irate and wanted him out.

How do I feel about that now? I fell I would have been wrong. No big deal. It doesn't matter to the club what I think now nor did it matter what I thought then. I make mistakes most days in all sorts of ways. Thankfully I get more things right everyday than I get wrong. Being wrong about a football manager is about the least important opinion I'll ever have. Not in control so my opinion like yours is totally irrelevant. I don't understand why people get so emotional about it being right or wrong.

One thing for sure about spring a football team is you will be right about something one day and be wrong about something else the next.
As for fergie he is just a memory of a point in time. A really good time but I'm a lot more interested in the present and future.


30.) 08 Oct 2024
08 Oct 2024 09:50:05
Utd Road of course you compare the 2. There is just no where at all that there is anything that makes them alike or their situation alike.
I saw another dumb comparison to arteta its just plain stupid and shows a complete lack of understanding imo.


31.) 08 Oct 2024
08 Oct 2024 10:58:52
Tumbleweed

If you ain't bothered being wrong on the manager or keep or sack decision, why you posting all day every day about him being wrong. You ain't genuine.


32.) 08 Oct 2024
08 Oct 2024 12:22:40
Good stuff ken. Plus it's time and money to actually do the rest of the badges. I'm enjoying coaching a team at the minute, as I'm on the long term injury list.

How about we get the relevant badges and go in together ?.


33.) 08 Oct 2024
08 Oct 2024 13:23:06
Brilliant keefy???.