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10 Aug 2012 22:01:11
Last season it was evident that we were missing that creative link between midfield and strikers.. Kagawa is the man to bridge that gap.. Watched him perform for Dortmund last season and he was amazing .. In full flow , he is as good as silva on his day .. RVP will be a bonus , meaning we will play the 4-2-3-1 formation!
10 Aug 2012 21:25:27
Well if Van Persie doesn't sign(Personally think he will) we have to keep Berbatov, I have stayed confident in Macheda even through his bad patch but tonight against Peterbrough a bottom end championship side he was dismal. Can't rely on him to be the 4th choice striker because we would have no chance, he just had a shot from the outside of the box that went out for a throw in.... says it all.
RedKnight
Heard Berba will go and RVP in with Welbeck 1 year loan to arse
Pardoe
I cant see welbeck goin on loan for a year to arsenal, as much as i want rvp at united i cant see that happening
dwright
Doesn't Welbeck have only one year left on his contract... That means if he doesn't sign a contract he will get away on a free
RedKnight
I cant see welbeck going as I believe fergie rates him highly(and rightly so as far from being the finished article he is showing great potential and first team games mean he is improving rapidly). Bookedredmole
10 Aug 2012 19:50:30
Hey Ed002 do you think Nani will be leaving this summer? He hasn't signed a new contract as well. I hope he stays, the last thing we need to do is sell one of our better players.
-JakeW {Ed002's Note - Dead meat for a while.}
Do you think United are still looking at replacements for Nani, Ed002? Muniain, Rodriguez, Gaitan?
G.A.G.U.S {Ed002's Note - I would not be surprised.}
10 Aug 2012 19:17:57
Yay, no Moura mentioned whole day....
s***, I ruined it.
NSN
10 Aug 2012 18:19:26
Ed002 is the funniest Ed there is! I can hear Bond crying....
G.A.G.U.S
Very true Gagus, 002 has far better one liners :-)
Flimbo
10 Aug 2012 20:29:38
I can understand fans issues with the lack of big money buys but lets have a little perspective:
De Gea has completed his first season, settled, is learning the language and looks to have done some gym work. Seemed more confident the other night.
Rafael has had a very good olympics and will push on growing into the player most of us think he will become.
Vidic is back, just need to get to form and fitness.
Powell looks a good player
Kagawa will do well i'm sure.
Yes there are concerns, no new left back to challenge and cover Evra, i still think we need a centre midfielder as well to take the pressure off scholes/ carrick. And Welbeck hasn't signed a new deal as yet.
But i don't think things are as bad as some people think.
10 Aug 2012 20:17:25
Anybody else think that what united need more than anything is better coaching staff? I do, the technical level of football when quieroz was around was much better.
This is obvious, on a tactical level we haven't been the same since Quieroz left. Also i have wondered on a few occasions whether are new training techniques have had a adverse effect on our players condition leading to more injuries. Is the training less tactical and technique based and more physical leading to tired players who are more suseptable to injury?
I feel our backroom staff need abit of a shake up, unfortunately i can't see this happening until Sir Alex steps down as it would make no sense hiring someone this summer when they may be let go as early as next summer IF Sir Alex steps down and if the new boss wants them or not. The only person i could see is Queiroz coming back on a one year rolling contract like Sir Alex's. But this is sadly unlikely.
Shappy
10 Aug 2012 19:40:04
Just seen a Liverpool fan tweet this... "Allen or Borini on my Liverpool shirt".
HAHA
How the mighty have fallen....
RedKnight
Better then having bebe on the back of the dish cloth rag you lot call a shirt.
Orifice
In fairness I would have Allen over Carrick any day. Not sure about Borini but let's hope he's sh**e
Leave them! Why are u gossiping lvepool stuffs? They are happy with their thins
The funny thing is that they believe Allen would walk into our midfield and yet their midfield isn't even as half as goods ours. They take the mick about carrick costing 18 mill and yet Henderson cost the same and is half the player on a good day. As you say oh how the mighty have fallen.
Sparky
Surely as a United fan after watching the Glazers at the NYSE, this post is a wind up? Lol
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Ps
The NYSE has to stay open until your shares go up. Looks like Sir Alex has got the added time he expected.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Liverpool fans are only as annoying as you let them be, meaning you really shouldn't venture into conversation with anyone who slags off champions league winners after they signed Andy "£35M" Carrol as it only insults your own intelligence
Flimbo
We'll be using those "dish rags" to polish our 20th EPL title. The "Orifice" of Liverpool's demise is just getting larger and larger.
=v1=
Orifice
Bebe > Downing
G.A.G.U.S
I do have a feeling that Borini will turn out quite good. Rodgers has known the lad since he was at Chelsea's youth system and he went to some lengths to get him so he obviously see's something special in him, and judging on his job at Swansea he know's how to spot a player and get the best out of them.
I wouldn't worry about Liverpool as they are some way behind us but they will improve next season and if giving the backing then they have IMO the best young manager in the league.
And as a United fan that does hurt to say that.
Shappy
Is not a dish cloth you clown, its a table cloth, and where to table cloths go? On top of the table exactly where we'll be. Cya again
10 Aug 2012 19:20:23
Correct. Moutinho will be superb. Witsel and Rvp also needed if we are serious about winning things.
Also get rid of phelan and bring a good European coach.
Phelan is a top coach and a top bloke! does a great job!
10 Aug 2012 18:24:47
It maybe a bit of downer but I can see the unrest with Utd fans towards club building over next year, the glazer ipo greed already got it kickin off, I see on here now a lot the Fergie "no value in the market"just aint washing with utd fans anymore or any line to why no big signing is just seen as lies&you aint got the money, again seems to be heading towards another summer of yes were in for these top players but landing none&then wait for same lines which they think cover it&that will lead into season&if another failure in europe&a failure to get title back from City! Then can see it goin mad,no excuse from fergie or gill will be accepted!
So...we have won 4 of the last 6 titles, 12 of the last 20. You need to have a serious word with yourself.
AJH
I just love the positive attitude that all the supposed supporters of our great club, give out and hope it rubs off on the team, then we will definatley end the season potless.
samster1
Support another team
ARB
10 Aug 2012 18:09:25
David Gill speaking on the NYSE today.
"Sir Alex was clear on Van Persie interest. We would not make up a story. We are aiming to bring a few players in soon.”
looks like we will see some new faces before the window closes... It made my day
Aakroz
Must be true David Gill said it. lol lol
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Ps. What a plonker lol
Does nobody else think its strange to hear a Chief Executive of a top club like united come out with a statement like" we would not make up a story".
jred
Jred, not really mate. The club will be well aware of people like yourself who believe the club make token bids. He is just answering their questions. You are far too suspicious mate.
Sydney
10 Aug 2012 17:53:04
I saw the Glazer puppet Gill was again the spokesperson for the leeches, funny how they won't answer questions themselves, He now looks embarrased&struggles to do interviews with the lies,Again it was the debt has never impacted on the club!! Funny wasn't it in print other week when tried the float that the debt would effect the ability to compete that's why was ipo was needed!, Its needed as the debt is catching up the glazer family is in a mess with debt,gone from all money wipe club debt to half in the family pocket! The dropping of price of shares looks embarrasing&showing deluded valuation of club&desperation of money grabbing!
This IPO has nothing to do with helping the club to be more competitive in the market. It is so they can raise money to pay down their debts and ours.
Sydney!
From the ipo 63.6 mill went towards the debt but the club stumped up the cash for the ipo which cost 7.9 mill .
so not a massive amount really towards the debt we bought 70 mill of bonds back last year alone.
jred
10 Aug 2012 16:45:31
If we sign RVP for say £25million i do not understand why we wouldnt just go in for
Lewandowski - £18-22million
Higuain - £30-35million
Cavani - £35-40million
Llorente - £18-22million
Leandro Damiao - £18-23millionJust to name a few !
Fair point. Lewandowski would be much better value for money
Lewandowski: Not for sale
Higuain: Not for Sale
Cavani: Moving to Chelsea
Llorrente: Over rated
Damiao. Club askig for 60 million euros apparently after Moura went for 45 million.
10 Aug 2012 17:15:52
I replied to a post earlier about this. Why do people keep targeting the Epl? Surely we should be targeting Europe. This is where the best teams are at the moment. Not one team in the Epl is better than Barca, Real or dare I say Bayern. If we match the top teams in Europe, we will piss the league.
Why build a team to win a domestic league and then have to rebuild to try and conquer Europe?
Jamesmack8
Best team doesn't always win in Europe, look at last year. Chelsea came in sixth in the EPL and won Europe. The best team wins the EPL, the same can't be said for Europe.
If your so sure about that why didn't barca win the champions league ?
Bp
Its nowhere near as simple as that. A team that wins in Europe isnt guaranteed to win the league and at the end of the day, the league is the bread and butter. Bomb in the league and we wouldnt even be in Europe.
TK-Red
Because the EPL is a clubs bread and butter. You do not get into the Champions League without being good within your own league.
The Champions League is essentially a knock out/cup competition which any side can win on their day by playing out of their skin a la Liverpool. A bit of luck goes a long way in cup competitions but it takes skill to win the league.
FredtheRed
Because you build from the bottom up and not the other way around. The league is the harder title to win as you have to be consistant through out a whole season. The Champions league however requires a certain about of luck as well as ability to win it. Every year there are about 6-8 teams who.could realisticly win the Champions league, the one that does is rarely.the best team to be honest. Do you honestly believe Chelsea or Inter were the best teams in Europe when they won? You need to have luck on your side to win in europe as well as being good enough.
When Porto won it they played us, Scholes scored a goal that would have knocked them out. But it wasn't given as he was flagged offside even though TWO players were playing him on. That was luck which helped.propel Porto to.glory.
Chelsea and Man City have spent massively as did Real Madrid before them yet they haven't won many Champions league titles in that time considering the outlay.
So we need.to.build for the EPL and that will give us a chance to win in europe. The rest will depend on our luck.
Shappy
I would rather we won the league every year than a Champions League victory. As above, the ELP is our bread an butter....there's nothing better than being the best in your country.
The Champions League isn't a "champions league"....teams that came 4th in a domestic league can we it. It's great TV and overhyped.....just what UEFA want!! ELP any day for me........
If you win the League and the Champions League, then yes you are the best team in Europe.....but Chelsea aren't by a mile........
I think if fergy had the choice over the next 2 years he would take 2 UCL wins over 2 league wins , would look much better on his CV
jred
The problem with that jred is you only need a CV if you want to get another job. I can't see Sir Alex working after he steps down from the helm. Although i agree with your sentiment though, i do feel Sir Alex is hurt by his not great european record. But at the same time i still feel he puts league titles ahead of European titles.
Shappy
Shappy
i will re-phrase it then it will make fergys career and legacy look better
jred
10 Aug 2012 16:58:59
Perhpas someone can correct me here but MUST are saying to boycott sponsors to stop the Glazers destroying the club. So their logic is to destroy the club themselves before the Glazers can? Do the think the Glazers will leave when the valuation goes down? Quite the opposite, they will stay and drag the club down with them. If they get a good price however, they may sell.
(Not transfer related but still relevant i thought)
Dan
Dan
Maybe MUST ahould boycott the club and go and follow FC United
Agreed MUST is a total shambles, haven't a clue what they are doing. There's better ways of doing than running the club into the ground before the Galzers do it.
10 Aug 2012 16:30:59
Sydney, as in the street in stretford?
1redarmy
Salford mate.
Sydney!
10 Aug 2012 16:21:11
I would love to see us sign RVP but I just can't see him fitting in the team as he will expect to be in the first 11 along with Rooney, Kagawa, Nani, Valencia I know it is a squad game but you cant bench any of them unless we sell Nani sign Witsel and use Kagawa out on the left its the only viable option.
Name all the strikers we had when we one the treble. You hit the nail, it is a squad game, Valencia, Nani and Kagawa will be rotated just as the rest of the squad will be. Nobody can expect to start 38 games except a goalkeeper these days.
=v1=
Well it's simple he would start with Rooney up front instead of welbeck not really that hard was it
WYTHENSHAWE RED
Just use rotation.
nov00
It wont be a problem as he will be injured for most of the time so it wont be a problem
10 Aug 2012 16:17:29
I don't post often but reading United fans slagging each other off and insulting each other is not great. Having a different opinion does not make you a 'tool' as one poster put it. The website is great for fun and comment but lately it's becoming abusive. Just because somebody doesn't rate payer X does not make them a fair target for insults. So...here's my view. I started watching United in '75 when we were in Division 2. I was there through Sexton and Atkinson and the early Fergie years (!). I was at Anfield in '92 on the day Leeds won the title and also at home to Blackburn in '93 when we finally made it. Times change - for years we payed over the odds because we could. Now we are competing with billionaires who have deeper pockets, and even if the Glazers sold up, we still couldn't compete financially with City, Chelski or PSG. As one of the Eds said, suck it up, that's how it is. I don't want to see us spending £30M on a 19 year old or paying his agent £6M. We can whine but that's just how it is...
Well said. Whatever happens with united I have made my choice and will always be a proud united fan. On another note can we safely say that 75 million should now come off our debt. Looking forward to the game tonight and tomorrow. Bookedredmole
That is EXACTLY the right way to look at it. Normal clubs cannot compete with those 'playthings of the super-rich' but they cannot buy ALL the talent and eventually the fair play rules kick in and one day they will have some effect
Puzzled
At last long term supporter who has been there through it all since the 70`s even if the we are in the conference i will still support my club, unlike the majority on here who would leave if we dropped out of the top four
samster1
10 Aug 2012 15:41:00
Should United look into Ganso? There has been rumours on lesser Transfer Speculation sites but I feel he would be a great addition. He isn't the most skillful player but his dribbling and his through-balls are awesome, he also tends to score spectacular goals. he looks like a young Kaka when he first come on the scene at AC Milan. Tell me what you think?
I dont think Ganso should be touched he is very inconsistent and a huge risk with his constant injury worries, I would much prefer Sahin, Khedira, Eriksen, Moutinho, Cabaye they are all better players imo
Potential and talent wise yes, injury wise no. I think like Sahin a very very good looking player that has gone right of the boil the last season due to injuries. This is probably why clubs want to look at Sahin on loan, wouldnt see Ganso going on anything but a permanent deal though. I suspect a lot of clubs will be monitoring him. Saying all this: very good player, bad season of injuries, out of form > Anderson. Probably his last season to prove himself but he is potentially as good as either of the previously mentioned players
Invisible STuey
10 Aug 2012 15:14:01
A lot of people saying we need Witsel, we may do but if Fletcher is defiantly coming back I can't see it happening, I notice once a name is said on this site 70% of the people want him and go over the top and read to much into things, happened with Hazard, Alba, Moura. Guys calm down! ;)
-JakeW
What is wrong with fans going over the top its part of the game called football, without the dramatics and enthusiasm it wouldnt be as fun. Witsel is far superior to Fletcher ability wise even though I would prefer M'Villa, Martinez, Garcia, Sahin, Moutimho, Modric, Khedira all of them are great players and would walk into our midfield. Carrick will be our main man Fergie loves him so its a matter of whether he rates Anderson or Cleverley good enough to partner him and in all honesty I do not rate either that much.
The problem with Fletcher is that it's completely up in the air as to whether, a. He will be coming back and b. If he can sustain his fitness and be consistent. Buying a central mid makes sense as Carrick and Scholes aren't getting younger, Ando isn't getting better and Cleverly can't do it all on his own. He needs someone alongside him who is as good but preferably better. That's when he performs at his best.
Andy
Do you really believe that Fletch will come back and be a 100%? As much as I want him to I just can't see it, missed a ton of football.
No, I meant once we are linked with a player I see posts like, "FERGIE SIGN HIM UP, DON'T LET THIS ONE GO LIKE LAST TIME" Posts like this are from fans who most probably haven't watched him play and just want to see us sign someone.
Also as you can see I was saying it in a jokey way not telling people what to do.
Cheers for your reply No-Name!
-JakeW
10 Aug 2012 14:51:47
Would be gutted to miss out on Witsel, wouldn't surprise me though.
10 Aug 2012 14:33:12
Just took a look at Witsel and he looks very good. Especially in this pre season when Benfica beat Real Madrid 5-2. He would help our team out so much, he is always looking to get on the ball and releases it at the right time without dwelling on the ball, very rarely goes back always looking forward and doesn't seem to slow the play down. However I can see Witsel working very well with Ronaldo, not swell maybe as Witsel and Kagawa. Why not sign Witsel now for £30 million ? In a couple of season to come people will raving on about him like we used to about Kaka IMO. Leave RVP till nearer then end of the transfer window let's concentrate on Witsel and bring him to Old Trafford this transfer window. I hope to have signed RVP and Witsel and see them in the Manchester United kit for our 1st game of the season. I would be happy with the summers spending if this is the case. However don't hold your breath all we do is miss out on targets because we don't give what it takes to bring them in, we need to accept the fact that paying the agents is now part and parcel of business in football and if you want to win silverware you need to bring in the right players to do so. Forget Lucas Moura and Modric, Witsel and RVP are the players we actually need, pull the wool from over you eyes on your opinions of Witsel please he is world class.
Opinions welcome.
Bp
I would like to think we could do 18mill + Anderson to get him, which I would be happy with. I do not see Anderson having a long career at United, as far as I am concerned, he isn't good enough going forward.
Gar
I agree, but if we have to pay up then I would do so cause I rate the guy.
Bp
Bp,
I concurr Witsel and Rvp will be emense signings - just need a lb for cover and 1 centreback (average to good, around 8-10 mil and happy to rotate to cover injuries)
Monk
Anderson is totally useless. If we can get rid of him then must. Do so. Witsel and rvp then we will have a good team.
Yeah I agree again on the left back, havnt looked into our targets for that position though so I can't comment, however for the centre back we could wait a season ? As we have Evans and I'm sure Jones will do a job there when required, then this time next year go for Hummels, what I would like even more is a double swoop for Hummels and Subotic, both great players, young, strong, tall and will understand each other very well.
Bp
Bp, we do not need Hummels and Subotic. United are looking at back-up centre-backs to be back-up for Smalling, Vidic, Evans & Jones. We have looked at Nastasic, Varane, Dede, Benatia & the Greek. I wouldn't rule out us ever going for Hummels or Subotic, but I think it will be back-up for Smalling, Jones, Vidic etc. We certainly will not be signing Hummels and Subotic to block our future CB pairing Jones and Smalling.
Sydney!
"Anderson + £18m for Witsel"? "Anderson is useless" - deary me! Utd scouts saw him as potentially one of the best players. Obviously he hasnt fulfilled that promise, but he started very well in his first season and he has suffered a lot of niggling injuries and a lack of a run of games since. I think he deserves another season, and hope he proves himself, because for me £18m + Witsel isnt a good deal for the player Anderson can still become
Invisible STuey
10 Aug 2012 14:30:38
Just a quick one - Obviously we are all now aware of the Witsel rumours doing the rounds today & reading between the lines it appears it's between us & Real Madrid. Now saying he goes to Madrid, does this by any chance leave the door open for us to bid for Modric?
I'd be made up with either one of the two!
Nicko
Nicko,
IMO - Real are more likely to sign Witsel
As for Modric he'll not move unless Levy wakes up and gets realistic with the price tag.
Real reportedly offering £25-30 mil max and i think we are at the £25 mil mark
anything more and you may as well look elswewhere.
It's stupid money - Yes great player but just a bit pricey.
The no value in the market statement is an understatement.
Everyone quotes the Ronaldo transfer as being daft money but if you think about it... Real have made their money easy.
Ronaldo is still one of the biggest names in football and sells shirts like nobody
all these Modric's and Moura's have yet to set the world alight to warrant the outlays and guarantee return on the investment.
Moura will end up a good but not great player and fade into the black abyss as will modric
Rvp will sell more shirts than Modric just more talismatic.
Cantona (god forgive me) wasn't the best player in the world but he put entertainment into football and was amazing to watch - He sold shirts and was worth the money
Hazard will sell shirts but he's unlikely to break even on he cost therefore is not value for money.
Berba was is a reincarnation of Cantona but unfortunately the game has moved on so the style does not suit. He was not value for money.
Rooney is value for money - sells shirts and performs on the pitch.
The value in the market comes when a players performances and Marketability offer the club a profit.
Kagawa is such a player - he'll shift shirts and offer a market in japan/asia and he'll a cracking player so perfomances will help win trophies.
People forget sometime that football is a passion,hobby and most of all these days they are businesses.
PSg are no longer profitable, City and Chelsea are in the same boat real madrid i feel there is some dodgy book keeping going on but they too have been bailed out a few times despite their huge fan base record tv deals etc
we have survived without handouts through good business sense and great performances on the pitch.
Monk
P.s sorry for the rant just in one of them moods and fed up of the negativity hanging around at the moment.
It probably would, but I feel the way Spurs negotiate, we will walk away. However if Madrid do get Witsel it may open the door, on offers, for kedhira, who would improve our starting 11 hugely.
There is that or Sahin, who i think could be a great addition. Great player, its a bit of the risk, but if we can strike up a loan deal, with the option to buy at the end it would be a great bit of business.
aaallj5
10 Aug 2012 14:20:48
lets all jump on the witsel wagon now that the moura deal has fallen through!
i for one don't rate witsel and i am truly disappointed that lucas will not be a red but thats life!
I think that SAF should turn his attention to cabaye or fellaini who would be a great addition to the team - cabaye is a great passer of the ball and would be a suitable replacement for schools and fellaini is a great ball winner who could replace Darren.
both of these players would be relatively cheap and have experience of playing in the league.
Name?
Not sure what planet you are on but Fellaini and Cabaye cheap?
Everton will want around 20 mil for Fellaini and as for that Geordie lot? talking over £20 mil for Cabaye
These 2 clubs take other clubs for mugs in transfer values - just look at the Carrol signing and look at the money they want for Baines.
I'd take Witzel over Fellaini just because of the age and Eurpoean experience
I like Fellaini just not as much as Witzel
As for Cabaye 1 good season under his belt let's just hold your horses as he may flop this year. He'll command a hefty price tag talking nothing short of Sahin money and quiete frankly i'd take sahin.
Monk
Mate I have been beating the Cabaye and Witsel drum since before the summer. They would be ideal now for the full transition of out with the old in with the new next summer.
Jono
If we sign RVP, Witsel and a LB, Ill be forced to eat crow - I really hope it happens. It seems that if Madrid really want Modric, Witsel's off their agenda meaning we'd be in pole position for him.
RED_SKY
10 Aug 2012 14:08:04
Peple keep saying we need a defensive minded midfielder. I disagree, with Carrick and Ando (and maybe Tunners) we are fine in that department. Plus I think Ando will come good this season. Surely a creator in the mould of Scholes is what we need, Modric/Moutinho?
Dan
You've got it all wrong. Did we win anything last year with carsick and Anderson no, we need a breath of fresh air about the place, witsel and RVP in, more or less guaranteed a trophy then.
Vp
Carrick and Anderson are not defensively minded. How many times do I have to say on this site, when we got Carrick from Spurs he was being used as an attacking mid, just off the opposition box. We have never used DMs and never will, Carrick and Ando are both playmakers...just Ando is not as good! I admit we do need a CM but I don't know if Witsel would work for us. Moutinho should be looked at for sure. Quality player.
Andy
Dan
You are so wrong on so many levels with that comment.
That is our major weakness not being able to retain the ball in the midfield area. We were terrible last season in that area.
Simmo
Anderson come good?! Why !? He's useless. always overweight. Can't pass. Can't shhit. Can't tackle. But he can eat! Sell him. He's not united player.
Spot on Simmo mate, we need to add one more midfielder to Kagawa and Cleverley, someone who like these two can keep possession. Someone who can keep possession and has a bit of steel. Pogba would have been perfect I have to say, but perhaps Witsel could do a job?
Sydney!
Syd
i think carrick will play more games than kagawa and clevs
jred
10 Aug 2012 14:07:42
Wow lost Ronaldinho, Robben, Oezil, Hazzard, Silva, and now cannot even compete with French clubs what a laughing stock the club has become, value in the market persons whats winning the league or progressing through the mickey mouse stages of the European cup worth
What a laughing stock you are as well,after missing the majority of the players you mentioned,we signed different players and went onto win trophies,obviously slipped your mind.
phil
And you suppport?,.,,,
Losing out on players is just a part of the game. not every team can sign the same player.
as for losing out to a french team?
they paid the price to purchase moura's soul! Moura (seen quotes somewhere) said the move was down to his agent and the fact that PSG agreed to pay the agent 6 mil
PSG have Paid a ridiculas amount of money for moura and to quite frank about it they are f**king mental for doing so..
19yrs of age £150k plus a week - not proven on the european stage, could suffer from homesickness - no one will ever buy him from them for anything like that money as tbh he'll not get many games to develop fully due to the players PSG have in midfield already.
I for one am glad we didn't rival PSG for Moura.
Don't get me wrong a potential star just not worth the risk at the value paid.
Ozil wanted to move to spain - nothing we could do - same goes for benzema, silva? not sure we bid for him, Nasri (money move) Robinho (money again), Hazard (money again) Ronaldinho (not sure on that one)
We sign players not mercenaries - our players wear their hearts on their sleeve and play for pride (and fair wages if you can call them that) they do not sign for a team to get limited chances and sit on the bench picking up fat cheques costing the team/club 100's of millions a year.
Good look to PSG passing the new uefa rules
Monk
I think you're over egging the pudding there a bit Monk. We don't pay City/PSG/Chelsea wages but the majority of United players are here for the money.
Rooney is a total mercenary, he even used City as a means to get the highest wage at the club. Ferdinand was the highest paid defender in the world a few years back. Welbeck is angling for more money this year. And even Keane, a man who always played with passion and pride, was willing to walk if we didn't break our wage cap.
The only difference between Lucas Moura and Phil Jones is that PSG didn't offer him £150,000 a week. If they did, do you think Jones or any other young United player would turn it down? And this isn't just a negative post about United, it's the way professional footballers are at every club. 99% of the time money comes first.
Danny Pughnited
To be honest I do not think what Rooney did was bad, If I was in his situation I would play out for as much cash as possible, why not?
10 Aug 2012 14:06:03
Seems Mancini is sore at the losing battle to sign RVP, looks like "project money" has failed.
10 Aug 2012 13:47:43
Question for Ed002
I would personally love to see at least two players come to Manchester United this summer
1. Van Persie. He has a great goal scoring record and could form a great partnership with Rooney, who i think we rely to much on. I like Welbeck but i don't think he is good enough (as yet) to be our second main striker.
2. Witsel. I think in a lot of games towards the end of the last season we played teams who put 5 in midfield and we didn't have a powerhouse type player to match up against these teams. I think Witsel is that player.
reading some of your comments i think you seem to be in the know about these two players. You probably won't want to answer this but out of ten (Ten being very likely) Do you think Manchaster United will sign both of these players and if so how soon approx?
Great website, thanks
Paul {Ed002's Note - I am not going to do that, sorry.}
10 Aug 2012 13:39:22
Right we've already missed out on hazard, moura and alba so let's make sure we tie up the deals for witsel and RVP. Chances of this happening ?
Vp
O dear, do you expect us to sign every player we have an interest in? Your summers must be consistently disappointing.
M.D.
10 Aug 2012 13:28:56
Been reading a number of posts over the past few days since the failure to secure Lucas Moura. The continuous posts every summer on how we will be lucky to finish 3rd and we are not an "elite club" anymore. All I can say is you people talk a load of rubbish.
We are Man Utd for god sake. When has Sir Alex ever let us down... We have never finished outside the top 3 since the Premier league began and just because City and Chelsea decide to buy any player they want doesn't mean we will not be challenging for the title. Look at last season, remind yourself that we got beat in the last minute on goal difference ( hard to take, right?) I guarantee if Vidic was fit all season we would have had the league won with 4 or 5 games to go. The 6-1 defeat would never have happened and we would never have had to put as much pressure on the front line scoring that many goals as we would not be leaking them in at the other end. Add to the equation the (hopeful) return of Fletcher, the man for the big occasion, the game away at City towards the end of the season was made for Fletcher. He would have bossed the game like he used to do before his illness and would have made a big difference, If you listen to the comments of his team mates, they always say that he is one of the first names on the team sheet and when you see someone put in a big tackle like he did it lifted there game. Finally add to that Kagawa and possibly Van Persie aswell as the emerging youth coming through at the club. Van Persie's was the man with the most combined goals and assists in the EPL last season and Kagawa likewise in the Bundesliga, they are both BIG signings that you all crave for.
I don't see why anyone doubt's fergie and the players... BELIEVE and title 20 will be ours
RedKnight
Interesting to see that you are targeting the league. Europe is the bench mark. Match the teams in Europe and then the leagues will quickly follow.
Jamesmack8
So we should trust saf no matter what!? What happened to our tactics against Everton city away Wigan away Benfica home and away basle home and away ?? I don't think saf isthe mmaster technician you think he is.
The league is our bread and butter, James. That'll always be our no.1 priority.
M.D.
10 Aug 2012 13:03:20
to wht i see most people r saying that kagawa to play wide left in the front 4 but imo rooney will be playing there as for rvp would love to see him play up front for us but for his age,injury record and quoted price 20mil+ idk if he is the best option around. We need a new lb but we have fabio on loan so i dont think we would be bringing in any1 for the lb position.
BLOOD DEVIL
10 Aug 2012 12:58:32
Funny now all the papers have started about Witsel you all jump on the bandwagon??
I have been saying to sign him or Fellaini all summer, would be a class act for us and give us some strength and dominance in our understrength midfield.
Really hope this happens, but cant see us signing anyone to be honest.
If you do not leave a name then your posts are meaningless.
Sydney!
Why are they meaniless-id rather have no name than being called sydney
I agree with Syd, your post becomes pointless if you don't show your name.
-JakeW
Because how do we know that you have been saying all summer that we should sign Witsel? Like I said, it's a meaningless post if you do not sign off.
Also Sydney is not my actual name, just a tag so I can be identified.
Sydney!
Yeh, I agree with you Sydney! And -JakeW.
"your posts are meaningless if you dont leave a name" what a load of crap.ow pathetic is that,everyone is entitled to their opinion,unfortunately some people feel very self-imported on these sites,,99% of rumours on here are guess work and wishful thinking despite what people say and banter is just that banter,,,,in the name of god just relax and enjoy it,,,mac
Sydney!
What's your real name you got ?
Bp
I sky+ on ESPN a documentary on Roy Keane this week and watched it this morning. Players like him only come around once in a generation, we were however lucky to have had two in him and Bryan Robson....However can I jump off the band wagon. I know like trying to replace Scholes it is nigh on impossible to find such players, but just about every name I have heard in midfield mentioned this summer, and 90% of them at £25-30m are no more than good players, in central midfield at least, unless there is some under the radar unknown at a cheap price available I really would say there is no value in the market. The likes of Hazard/Moura I can understand silly money being paid as they are exceptional potentially unproven or not but £30m for foreign, technically good and strong midfielders who frankly could be compared to the likes of Dembele/Felliani/Meireles utterly baffles me. It seems for whatever reasons there isnt interest in Martinez which is a shame. Modric would be a decent signing, he has some shortfalls in his game but he would add somethign to the team, as for the rest, not from what I have seen. Only other name interests me is Isco, and that is purely as I havent seen him paly at all
Invisible STuey
Mac, I bet you feel a plonker now don't you?
Bp, Sydney is after a street I lived in when I was a lad. A poor nickname, but sadly it stuck.
Sydney!
Mac,
Self-imported? To where?
You don't have to leave a name but when you say things like 'I have been saying all summer' you can back that up if you actually have been.
GDS
Mac,,
I think you got the wrong end of the stick.
Might be being presumptious here but i think Syd meant your posts are meaningless in the sense of your claims to have been saying something all summer
The reason... if you can't be found on the search option you cannot be proven correct/incorrect.
You are right in fact you are entitled to your opinion and no one is arguing that.
A simple id tag will verify your claims to have been "saying it all summer"
Monk {Ed007's Note - I think it's actually quite ignorant when people don't leave a tag with their posts. They generally get ignored as it is usually just sad little trolls.}
I have to agree with Sydney! and Ed007. Always best to leave a name, though if it leads to speculation of where you lived :-/
TK-......I've said too much already.
His name has constantly been in the mix when talking about the more defensive CM option so don't know what your on about jumping on the bandwagon now!
I said before the start of the window we should get 2 CMs an attack minded but box to box player and a more physical player.
Those two 1st choices were Cabaye and Witsel. Let's hope it happens.
Jono
10 Aug 2012 11:23:43
I have it again on good authority guys that David Gill has intervened in RVP's deal and will meet the Arsenal director on weekend with a hope of finalising the deal then and as personals that sit on 2 boards together,there is hope that a deal will be thrashed and make RVP a red devil.....,
You mean you read the papers...
JK92
Well said JK92 ... It's splashed all over the place.
10 Aug 2012 11:14:53
If you could choose any two players from the following list to improve our center midfield position, who would it be.
1.M'Vila 2.Eriksen 3.Modric 4.Cabaye 5.Tiote 6.Isco 7.Martinez 8.Fellani 9.Ganso 10.Witsel 11.Moutinho 12.Sahin 13.Wanyama 14.Dembele 15.De Rossi 16.Strootman
Comment down the numbers of the players you would most like... Also feel free to comment any players that I may have missed out that are realistic and you would like
RedKnight
M'Vila Moutinho.. would make our midfield very strong
Martinez and Modric (obviously won't ever happen) would be perfect. M'Vila's price/interest in him seems to have dropped which is intriguing.
Viva Hernandez
I'd probably choose Modric and Martinez.
Del boy!
I do not think 3,7,8,9,15 are realistic do I would go for 10 and 12 or 1 and 11.
George
Martinez and Cabaye
fozzy58
Bit left wing but i'd go for Witzel and Eriksen
both young and would hold re-sale in the future - both likely to improve massively also
Monk
Wilshere and Sneijder
Would prefer Martinez and Sahin. Sahin is class at one touch passing and long passing and Martinez is both versatile and strong as a centre mid. Gilly
Ganso and Martinez, between them they can play in about 6 different positions! Quality players!
Andy
4 and 10 all day long for me!
Jono {Ed007's Note - RedKnight you missed out someone on the list. I am not happy about this :-(
10 Aug 2012 11:08:19
Again we got more deluded people, will you stop thinking we are an elite club with superstars. Its only for fergie has this club done what its done and Vidic and Fletcher won't make a big difference.
Take your head out of the clouds, we got a good team and thats it, we ain't great. Fletcher has passed it and Vidic has had a long lay off with maybe 1-2 ok seasons left in him.
------------------------
I think most people will agree that United are very much an 'elite club'. I am not sure what your definition is but a club that has finished below 2nd once in 20 years in one of the best leagues in the world would struggle to be anything but elite.
Kagawa will make a big difference. How you can say one of the best 3 centre halfs in the world coming back to fitness 'won't make a big difference' is laughable.
You sound like a scouser or a very spoilt United fan. Just because we didn't win the league doesn't mean we are destined for mediocrity and relegation looms. In May we will be challenging for the title, and people like you with no name will be finding something else to moan about, or saying 'I told you we would be good enough'
GDS
Vidic won't make a difference!? LOL. You are a joke mate. Several crucial goals we conceded Vidic would never let happen. Plus, he can play at least 3 more seasons because he is a Serbian Soldier.
You are aware I was replying to that post not writing it?
GDS
10 Aug 2012 10:49:47
Rumours that Real Madrid have agreed a fee for Witsel..
Modric frozen out now at Spurs..
ED...Will United come back in for him now do you reckon?
10 Aug 2012 10:43:55
Witzel signs for Real Madrid. Another one gone.
No way he was worth £30m, I never wanted him and you can search my name as proof. He is a good player, but not that good. I would rather get Martinez, Modric or Sahin. Gilly
10 Aug 2012 10:16:29
i posted on here this time last year that I thought united would struggle in the up coming season, as you can imagine i got slated, lots of post of "we won the title and got to the UCL final"
I tried to point out that we hadn't played great, the standard of our play had been disappointing, there wasnt what i would consider a great team to challenge us in the league and the first top team we played in europe outclassed us.
I though the gap between us and barce had got bigger and that Madrid had over taken us , again i got slated .
well last season i though was poor we were out played in europe the standard of football we played in the league was below what you would expect and the standard off football in the league in general was not great.
Now some people have said we may struggle this year and surprise surprise the same people who hit me with "we won the league and got to the UCL final therefore we are a great team" are now coming out with "we only lost the league on goal difference "
people should look at our standard of football as a football fan not united fan , we are a good team but not a great team kagawa will improve us this season powell will in the future , but if we start the season with this squad i dont think we are good enough to win the league or UCL.
And before people start yes we only just lost to city but i think they are a better team than us at the moment and will improve by winning there first title the same way we did.
yes Chelsea won the UCL so this shows its not always the best team that wins it , but it normally is.
and yes i will continue to support the team through thick and fin as i have all my life.
giving an honest evaluation of your team doesn't make you any less of a supporter
jred
Totally agree. We are not great. Too many average players and manager and assistant have not moved with the times. Our tactics are a joke. I am sure everyone WL disagree but I've been a supporter since 1970 so I've seen it all before.
10 Aug 2012 09:57:12
This morning reports United interested in Eliseu.
Eliseu, is a Portuguese footballer who plays for Málaga CF in Spain. A left winger who can also operate as a left back, he is mostly known for his blazing speed. Has played four games for his country, his first cap in 2009.
There are clips of a good edge of the box strike in a 3-2 Malaga victory. The player is quoted as looking for a move to Benfica.
Downside he is seen his best days being 28 years old ? But experience behind Evra is what United need!
What do you think? Go on and press the yes button for me!!
10 Aug 2012 09:48:44
I for one am getting tired of us buying players for inflated prices, when we could have bought them earlier for less. Berbatov was overpriced. Surely we knew about him when Spurs offered £10m ? Carrick was the same. Available for much less from West Ham. All this talk of Witsel sounds the same.
I would prefer that we buy young players with talent and ambition rather than let another team buy them and then pay too much a year or two later.
Pip
10 Aug 2012 09:14:33
Hi Guys,
I just wanna throw something out there to see what you all think. Is it just me or has Ashley Young been one of the most disappointing signings we have ever made. He seems to be very predictable and a one trick pony. Why was fergie so determined to get him? Look at his performances for England this summer, he was terrible. All this talk about selling Nani, surely he is 10 times better than young? A lot of our attacks seem to break down with Young. Having said that it could be a lot worse and we could have got Downing or Henderson who are really terrible and also I do believe in the first season being difficult for a new player sometimes so maybe he will improve. I'm just saying he needs to pull his socks up, it's not like he was cheap!
Ste
10 Aug 2012 09:06:00
Ok I'm very disappointed on the amount of signings we've missed out on the past couple of seasons, let's put it behind us now though.
I do hope we sign RVP, but there are more and more reports coming out linking us with Witsel, I would rather Madrid get Modric and Witsel come to us because he is a younger player and when he is Modric's age will be a better player IMO. If we can snap him up now for no more than £30 million in a couple of seasons we will have a real player on our hands.
Bp
10 Aug 2012 08:16:52
Just a question. Has RVP come out and stated he wants to move to United? Surely this is all it will take to push the move through.
Bullseye50 {Ed002's Note - And MU agreeing to pay the fee.}
10 Aug 2012 08:07:47
There seems to be a lot of people doubting the deal with Robin Van Persie. It seems as if were simply not prepared to meet the £25million price tag.
I think the problem is is that we think to much and we just need to go for it sometimes. Certainly not all of the time there have been plenty of times when clubs have 'gone for it' and the deal has turned out to be rubbish. There are risks such as his tendency to get injured but sometimes I think we just need to go for it when we know he fits the team and could play very well for us.
10 Aug 2012 07:41:56
Quick question with Kaka free to leave who would you rather see united buy RVP or Kaka? Myself kaka every time
Why?
RVP all day long, no doubt about it.
GDS
10 Aug 2012 04:31:21
Eds and Syd,
I haven't heard that much about our reserve players breaking thru this season with all this CM transfer speculation.
Is 20 y/o Davide Petrucci ready to break thru into the first team and play some quality minutes?
It seems Tunniiffe and Lingard are 1-2 seasons away, but Petrucci? I know he just signed, so we will nit have another Pogba like issue.
KP
I think Tunners and Petrucci could be used in the first team as subs and maybe start some games against weaker oposition to rest Scholes etc
10 Aug 2012 01:57:16
hi guy first post i have put up here go gentle with me lol i watched the real madrid vs ac milan game today and kaka was class with mourinho saying he can leave would we we not have a look? i know he would command a huge salery but back to his peak he is one of the best in the world and would be amazing i know ever body gonna say he past his best or to similar to kagawa but i beleave he has return to his best and can play deeper than kagawa he has been very unlucky at madrid with injurys and jose not liking him because he was not his signing and would handle our leagues pace he is stronger than you would think quicker than you would think and is the yaya type player (but better) everone on here says we need if ya dont beleave my have a look on youtube ricardo kaka all the goals assists skills 2012 and then tell me he aint worth it and past his best he is one of the most followed footballers in the world and a brazil legend that is still around and like leonardo has done for psg he could help convince good youngsouth amarican players this is were to come our fans would love him and him them a absolute pro not your typical brazilian play boyala ronaldinho robinho please sir alex sign him up it makes lots of sense
Kaka is nowhere near yaya Toure at present. That said he is still a very good player
Brendan
Makes no sense for me. Had a year out through injury, he's 30 and his wages will be huge. I *think* PSG didn't even take the chance on him when they had the opportunity, and they have money to burn.
10 Aug 2012 01:35:46
All we need is:
Axel witsel 26m
RVP 22.5m
Brayn oveido 6m
Come on ferguson just those player {Ed004's Note - Would rather Baines or Izaguirre and sign Sahin on loan and that would be phenomenal}
Fellaini over witsel any day of the week, far superior.
Just my opinion mind
Cban
It doesn't look as if Arsenal are going to accept anything under £25million and are likely to be quite stubborn since its their star player.
Alex Witsel looks as if he is going to Madrid but I am not sure about the details.
But you are right these signings if we were to get them would be amazing.
Witsel moved to Benfica just last year. I'm not certain but I believe the transfer was under £10m. Has he improved that much in 1 year ?
Pip
Witsel is a much better defensive midfield player than Fellaini.
Sydney!
10 Aug 2012 01:06:52
Rumours are moura will earn 250,000 pounds a week at psg i guess i can see why he liked there project now!
so whos next gaitan?isco?or back in for rodriguez?
Fergie did say ages ago he wanted more pace in the side were not going to get that with kagawa or van persie however good they are!
We offered him 75 000 a week to join the club and my understanding is PSG have offered double this sum.... 150 000 a week for a 19 year old
RedKnight
Are you serious?
have you even watched Kagawa?
the pace SAF is talking about is not the pace of the players, but the pace of the game, and Kagawa is a damn quick thinker and executer. He doesn't waste time on the ball at all, and therefor makes the game quicker.
Jonny8
Its pace in the middle of the park we need , not more wingers !! Dynamic players in midfield , players like Keane and huge Ince in their heyday !
fozzy58
10 Aug 2012 00:19:46
If Sir Alex offers Witsel a contract, one of the conditions should be that he sorts his barnet out.
Red Spark
10 Aug 2012 00:03:46
Can we please get this straight. The people who keep going on "we can't compete (in the transfer market) anymore" are incorrect. We can, and if we had chosen too, we would have bought Moura. It was a totally sensible decision not to pay an agent a ludicrous amount of money for doing what precisely? This is club policy, not an inability to pay the money. As for all those computer game freaks who would spend our turnover ten times over each season, get real. SAF will pay the money if he deems it in the club's best interests. If not, he doesn't, and thank goodness for that.
It is not a game where he who spends most wins, as Chelsea have proven. All this year's Chelsea purchasing has so many people on here so impressed, but as yet they haven't kicked a ball, and there is no telling yet if those players will gel or just get jealous spending all that time on the bench. Sooner or later players who opt for the sugar daddy clubs get fed up. Look at the waste of Adam Johnson's talent, and not going to the Euros as evidence of what a sugar daddy club can do to you.
When Chelsea first got their daddy, SAF switched policy to young players with potential realising that we could not at that time compete with what they could pay. Fact is we are now back in going for big names, but keeping basic house rules sensible re pay and agent's fees. So for all those that blame the Glazers, what has actually happened has been a reversal of policy to get big names again, just not at any price - leave that to City, Chelsea and PSG. Real Madrid have long had a policy of buy the best at any price, but is it not Barca who are the more successful in recent history? A club that uses a major youth policy, and supplements it with some major buys. SAF is just doing exactly that.
Although I agree that Chelsea's transfer policy over the last couple of windows has been wrong, such as the £50mil spent on torres etc. More recently Chelsea have negotiated in a more sensible manner and have not been held to ransom by clubs such as Porto for Hulk or Sao Paulo for Moura. Our spending this summer is largely due to the deterioration of our squad the past couple of seasons and is an attempt to rejuvenate. We seem to have adopted a system to replace players leaving the club rather than excessive buying as seen by the likes of City and PSG. Furthermore our purchases have been youthful and not just big names; who had really heard of Oscar prior to Chelsea's interest? We are also clearly developing our youth team (2 out of 3 last FA youth cups) and our young prospects look hopeful. Basically what I'm arguing is that despite our previous shortcomings, which I will admit were bordering on outrageous, our current policy is much more sensible and it is kind of offensive to be painted with the same brush as PSG and City. I can understand why we have earned a sugar daddy label, and it is not really debatable on previous season's evidence, but our transfer policy has improved and considering the income generated from our champions league win, I doubt we have spent as far beyond our income as previous years. Remember also that it was not too long ago that united were the club spending ridiculous amounts on player, such as veron, forlan and Anderson (who cost £31mil I believe).
I agree with SAF's decision to reject Moura and if the £45mil fee being reported and ridiculous wages are true than your club has really dodged a bullet. If you sign Witsel and RVP then your transfer window has been a success, as Kagawa is a great addition and adding a reliable striker and strong DM will strengthen your squad further . I would love to see united do well this season as i have a lot more respect for the club than i do for others, such as city, all i ask is that you respect the way other clubs are now trying to run themselves rather than how they previously were; chelsea are no longer trying to buy players at 'any price" as you claim. I can understand why you would believe as such but i do not believe it is so. Good luck next year.
Rowan
(P.S. though i rarely come on this site, i have noticed that few people sign posts. On the chelsea sight we have found that by signing posts we have built a better atmosphere and i reckon this adds to the page as it allows better banter between users. Just a suggestion)
People seem to forget we had a youth policy in the 70s and 80s when we couldn't win the big prizes. Since the team of 92 we have not produced the real quality. We love to develop our own and I am no different but the situation right now demands buying quality. People think the fledglings won the league yet forget the quality that was already in the team.
There is no hiding this summer we need 3 quality players and two as an absolute minimum.
Red Man
Rowan most of us leave a name, but some people are either lazy or ignorant. We usually have some decent banter, but seems not so much today. Gilly
10 Aug 2012 00:02:24
Sky bet have us at 1/6 to sign rvp.
Juventus at 6/1
And city at 6/1
Just saying bookies are rarely wrong
.
Really, Hazard, and Wesley last year
Bookies are always wrong. It would appear on this occasion they are correct though.
GDS
We were once 1/8 to sign ozil.
that turned out well....
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