Manchester United Banter Archive August 10 2015

 

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10 Aug 2015 22:32:11
Jred posted down the page that BS needs to lose a couple of stone. I posted a similar thing on Sunday but it didn't show. He's clearly a legend but he does look very big. I thought a few of the players looked slightly out of shape, perhaps pre season was a bit too relaxed this year. We had Darmian going off, Mata with cramp in both legs, Rooney looked sluggish (perhaps he just is now). Let's hope we can sharpen fitness up quickly although I think BS needs some sort of formal programme

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10 Aug 2015 22:44:15
Yea don't think they had a strenuous pre season didn't look sharp on sat!! Rooney lost up on his own and thought Memphis had a quiet game !! Dissapointed in our offensive play virtually non existant

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10 Aug 2015 22:47:09
Yeah , sorry guys. I have to admit I have gained a few pounds over the last couple of years. To be fair though , I am pushing 42 now so a bit of the old middle age spread is to be expected. Tell you what though , I could still outrun that tub of lard Rooney.

Maybe I'll start cutting out the carbs and sugars from now on. Thanks for the kick up the arse AJH , I probably needed it in all fairness.

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10 Aug 2015 22:55:49
AJH - it was also interesting to read that Pep said 'on his day BS is a phenomenal player but is unfit and has been for a while now'. He also said the Bayern team spent a lot of time trying to get him into the best possible shape but couldn't quite get him there.

If fit he will be an unbelievable player for us but a lot of work has to be done by the player and the club over the next few months in my opinion.

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10 Aug 2015 23:44:07
It had to be said betty I'm afraid :)

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10 Aug 2015 23:59:03
Betty, that may have been the first time I have smiled whilst reading this page in quite a while.

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10 Aug 2015 20:20:23
Watched the first half of the u21's and thought Varela did well . Surely it would make more sense to have him as back up to Darmian as He's a rb as opposed to a converted winger

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10 Aug 2015 22:23:45
Agreed

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10 Aug 2015 19:46:48
Going to throw a name into the mixer, to keep an eye out for in the next few years, play for Corinthians youth setup, name is Fabricio.

Wait, watch, and remember :)

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10 Aug 2015 20:54:04
Sounds like upholstery cleaner.

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10 Aug 2015 22:31:57
His brother formica isn't too bad either

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10 Aug 2015 23:46:01
I heard there a young Spanish lad in Spain worth keeping an eye on, Juan Mirage.

Apparently he's the next Mesut Ozil.

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11 Aug 2015 00:40:29
CTR, I heard quite the opposite, supposed to be the next big Janitor.

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10 Aug 2015 18:43:11
If de gea plays against Brugge will he be cup tied if he then joins Madrid ?

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{Ed007's Note - No.}

10 Aug 2015 17:56:33
I like Harry Kane and think he's a good player but on the balance of things I would take Saido Berahino over Harry Kane all day long.

They both have potential, but Berahino is quicker which for me is always better than strength in an attacker. Ask any defender whether they would rather face a strong striker or a quick one and every day of the week they would pick the strong option.

Berahino is better on the ball and has the better technique as well as the better passer.

The only thing in Kane's favour is the sheer number of goals he scored last season. But I would argue that Berahino would probably have got a similar amount if he was playing for Spurs rather than WBA last season. The only thing Kane has over Berahino is the better attitude.

So why would we pay 20-30m more for Kane over Berahino? We could comfortably buy TWO Berahinos for what one Harry Kane would cost, I just don't see the point in paying that much over the odds for a player.

Another way of looking at it is how many things is Harry Kane world class at? Passing? Shooting? Movement? Pace? Strength? Technique?
He is good at all those things but not great at any. At the moment he is a talented young player who has had one good season. Certainly not worth 40m+

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10 Aug 2015 18:16:28
I would like him but coasta is not the quickest either so not always do you need pace. Harry hane can also pick a pass and link up play

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10 Aug 2015 18:22:59
Who is coasta, and Harry hane?

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10 Aug 2015 18:29:02
shaps
ive been making the same point for a while , berahino looks the better prospect to me

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10 Aug 2015 18:59:22
What do u rate about him shaps and Jred? Not really seen to much of him to make a assessment.

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10 Aug 2015 19:05:18
We should look at a proven striker who has done it for more than one season. Lewandowski is head and shoulders above the Berahino level. Buy the class of player Manchester United need , that will improve the team, not what keeps Rooney happy.

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10 Aug 2015 19:06:02
Just read that West Brom had signed Rondon for a club record fee. Paving the way for a Berahino exit, perhaps?

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10 Aug 2015 19:22:50
Totally agree jred.

Wiganred, Costa may not be the quickest. But his link up play is probably second to none. I'm not saying strength is a bad thing in a striker, in fact strikers need a bit of strength. But pace is far more worrying for a defender. Think of it this way, when you look at most strikers they tend to be nimble and quick rather than big and robust. Because that works better against defenders.

when comparing the physical aspects of Kane and Berahino neither are tanks but neither are a racing whippet. But Berahino is quicker than Kane and Kane is stronger than Berahino. I'm just saying personally I would choose pace over strength in a striker which is one of the reasons I would pick Berahino over Kane.

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10 Aug 2015 19:31:16
Honestly, I think the only thing Berahino has over Kane is the pace, don't think he's too good otherwise.

I have always said that you can true who the truly talented player is, when they can do it with litttle pace.

However, this is from what little I have watched of Berahino, tend to get quite bored when watching West Brom, so don't frequent it too often.

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10 Aug 2015 19:41:02
chris
shappy covers it in his above post.
but the lad has pace , good dribbler , good movement and a good finisher.
each to there own but i really rate reminds of ian wright

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10 Aug 2015 19:43:35
redman
u keep posting that pal but it looks like lvg has made rooney his main striker, if that's the case we are prob looking for a second striker not a big name

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10 Aug 2015 19:47:09
Said the same thing about berahino last year. I think he is best young striker in the UK with massive potential if his head is screwed on right. Better than sterling or kane any of the other young guy

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10 Aug 2015 19:50:43
Redman, in an ideal world that would b e the case. But this world isn't ideal and Rooney will be in the team one way or another this season. I say stick him up front, then play Depay and Pedro on the wings and hope their pace is enough to force the defenders back and create space. Then if or when Rooney proves this season that he isn't up to it then we can move him on next season without all the backlash of him not being given a chance in his best position.

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10 Aug 2015 19:51:14
It's very nice that you talk about one of our players and how you'd like him at your club! I'm sure that as soon as you turn your play stations on you can buy him? But in the real world. You ain't getting harry kane!! And I really don't mean any disrespect. But to most down here your just a northern club. the Woolwich, West ham and Chelsea are the big games. And as harry said, he believes he's at the biggest club already. Good luck for the foreseeable season

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10 Aug 2015 20:31:09
Brinkley if United want Kane, and pay the price I very highly doubt Kane would refuse the move.

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10 Aug 2015 20:31:47
Well then, I advise you send yourself, along with Harry, back home. Your day release has been overrun by about a year or so now.

Off home you trot ;)

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10 Aug 2015 21:45:44
RedDon, harry has already said he doesn't want to go. Not everyone is excited about the streets of Manchester paved with cobbled stones

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10 Aug 2015 22:34:37
Sell Rooney and buy both simples.

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10 Aug 2015 22:46:49
Agree with RedMan. Lewandawski is the only striker who can make the difference in the long run. Ibrahimovich will be good for the short term.
Berahino not proven and I don't know what he's achieved. I read a post saying the only thing Kane has done is score 31 goals last year!! Yes he has, and he has incredible potential. Agree with Stevie K, you don't just need pace, you need strength and a football brain, otherwise Wilson would have been world class by now. Kane wins it over berahino any day.

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10 Aug 2015 23:01:38
Have to disagree there as i think kane is a complete stricker he links play really well i think berihino is quicker but not a hole lot . kane reminds me of a rvn way he runs with ball i would love see him take our no.9 jersey i think he would be great signing .

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10 Aug 2015 23:06:43
lew got 17 league goals last season.
he has scored over 20 league goals in a season only twice playing in very good attack minded teams.
yet people seem he would walk into this system and get a bag full.
17 league goals for a munich team that walked the league.
why should he score more goals for this united team than he did for munich.

falcao got 4 goals last year for united (he played the first 3 games for monaco and scored 2).
he played 7 games for colombia in 2015 and got 4 goals.
rvp a proven epl striker scored 10 last season.

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10 Aug 2015 23:47:40
From what I've watched of him he seems a very Ian Wright type forward, correct?

If so I'd take that over Kane any day.

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11 Aug 2015 08:52:10
@jred your stats prove one thing, our system doesn't work. i would happily put money on the fact no striker will score 20+ goals in a season with LVG's pointless possession tactics !

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11 Aug 2015 09:26:08
1st of all Harry isn't worth 40+ . 20's at best. That being said, I don't think Berahino is better. And I totally disagree that he has better passing or technique than Kane. Mind you, not only did Kane outscore Saido last season but he also had 4 assists to Berahino's 1.

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10 Aug 2015 17:55:48
I see some people are already suggesting swienstieger comes in for Carrick. These people clearly aren't full fans as if they were they'd realise what Carrick did for us last season and how important he is to us winning games. The problem we have is that Carrick is much better holding on his own

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10 Aug 2015 18:14:34
I agree Pep, its Carrick or Schweinsteiger for me, not both. That causes some problems as BS will expect to play but I've always been a fan of Carrick. Possible Shneiderlin needs to play slightly further forward o even better, Depay out wide and Hererra in the middle.

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10 Aug 2015 18:16:46
People don't lose their fan card for having an opinion that differs from yours pep.

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10 Aug 2015 18:23:32
Not sure about not being 'full fans' (what does that even mean lol) but I agree Carrick should not be dropped now, perhaps phased out over time. He is the lynch pin that holds our game together, Schweini has the flashier name and reputation but has a way to go before proving to be as valuable as MC for United.

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10 Aug 2015 18:26:24
Or some people think sweinsteiger is a better option as he scores more, better dribbler, just captained his country to winning the world cup, captained bayern Munich to winning the champions league, he's younger, and he's a leader! Do we all have to have the same opinion on players to be the same level of fan?

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10 Aug 2015 18:29:13
So because people have a different opinion that makes them less of a fan what a ridiculous thing to say.

I quite like the idea of schweinsteiger/schneiderlin/Carrick but that leaves out herrera does that make less of a fan to the to people who want herrera to start?

The thing we've got is 4 quality midfielders fighting for 2 spots that's a good thing to have Imo and a headache I'm sure lvg doesn't mind having when it comes to selection

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10 Aug 2015 18:29:50
he needs to lose a couple of stone

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10 Aug 2015 18:46:03
Yeah not full fans like us!

Them bloody half fans and their opinions!

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10 Aug 2015 19:29:43
The way I see it is Carrick for the league games because he understands the Premier League better than Schweinsteiger. But I would play Schweinsteiger in Europe and the cup games. Schweinsteiger alongside the youngster in the league and FA cup early rounds will help them so much. Plus it gives him game time and a chance to grow accustomed to English football. Then next season he can take over from Carrick.

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10 Aug 2015 19:33:53
That's like saying Young is undroppable because he was brilliant last season, so if we signed Marco Reus he won't play over Ash.

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10 Aug 2015 19:47:34
hate them muggle fans.

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10 Aug 2015 19:48:09
Carrick is a class and schweinsteiger and Valencia both look out of shape.

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11 Aug 2015 00:20:43
Just something I picked up on, see a few say schweinsteiger captained Germany to the World Cup, I think Philip lahm might have something to say about that!

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11 Aug 2015 00:52:42
I feel that the idea of carrick or schweinsteiger is a bit silly. Based on the weekend, carrick was the catalyst for a better defensive set up and scweinsteiger gave us a more attacking set up. Both played below their best but you got glimpses of what they will bring. MC we all know but BS spread a few lovely passes about pushed the team further up the pitch and made a few dirty tackles all whilst trying to play possession football. I think the player most at risk should be depay. So far in preseason as an AM/SS he hasn't found his feet, although I feel he will, and this leaves the door open for a mid 3 of MC, BS and MS with AH, MF, and DB as back ups.

For once it's nice to be able to talk about all the great players we can play there and the various formations they would suit.

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10 Aug 2015 17:38:58
Chicharito would provide us much needed pace and the striker instinct that Rooney seems to have forgotten.

Rooney is LvGs favourite so let's face it he won't be dropped and to be honest don't have a replacement. I hope Chicha comes on as a sub though.

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10 Aug 2015 17:49:00
Mumbai, the problem playing the Pea is that he can't control a football. He may be a good finisher but he doesn't fit with how we play at the moment, we need someone who can do both.

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10 Aug 2015 17:53:58
I agree RedArmy. His holdup play isn't very good.

But Rooney slows our play down a lot and takes 1 touch too many. Chicha could at least get on end of through balls by Carrick/Mata/Depay and Chicha is a brilliant header of the ball that's where Young's crosses could be helpful.

Obviously we do need a new striker but I am just hoping that Chicha gets a sub appearance instead of a tired Rooney playing full 90 mins.

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10 Aug 2015 18:14:54
Problem is we don't play through balls.

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10 Aug 2015 18:18:51
At the moment Berbatov would be a better option than Rooney good with his feet good finisher but what we had with him before as lazy as the kid next store who is 17 stone and pays games all day

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10 Aug 2015 18:30:15
AJH to play through balls you need a striker who occupies space between the defenders and has his face towards the goal.

Rooney has his back to the goal and has 2 defenders between him and the goal.

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10 Aug 2015 18:47:03
Problem is young can't cross

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10 Aug 2015 18:52:06
We have bought one of the best passers in the game in schweinsteiger. When we get him fit could he not play in the number 10 role that way we're getting the benefit of his passing ability he could certainly unlock defenses I know probs get slaughtered for suggesting it but I really don't think it's mad as people think

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10 Aug 2015 19:11:24
Defenders know that Rooney won't play on their shoulder looking to run behind, so hold a line keeping Rooney facing away from goal, which means he drops deeper to get the ball. Berbatov was similar and slowed us down. If you have a striker who will run in behind and get between defenders they won't want to leave too much space behind them so will drop deeper. Rooney is like Berbatov without the gifted touch, just puts more effort in and can cause more problems when given space.

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10 Aug 2015 19:35:43
AJH, I've always said this, we always seem to play with our striker having his back to goal, which is why I kind of felt bad for Falcao, as he has never been that type of player, so never got a fair chance IMO.

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10 Aug 2015 19:36:13
I would keep Hernandez for another year. I would then buy Berahino and loan out Wilson. Wayne plays as first choice striker and we find out if he still can do it. While Hernandez and Berahino fight out to be his back up. Then next summer Wilson comes back ready to fight for his place. Hernandez moves on to pastures new and if Rooney has proven himself a reliable striker then Berahino and Wilson fight it out to be his back up. If Rooney has failed to prove himself then we sell him and bring in a top striker to fight it out with Berahino and Wilson.

simple this management thingy really. lol

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10 Aug 2015 19:49:41
Problem is we play to slow and it is not a rooney thing. Even when we have pace in Depay we play him as a 10 in the most crowded part of the pitch. :)

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10 Aug 2015 20:26:29
The only thing is that by taking the risk on Rooney and then finding that he , as you put it , failed to prove himself then top four would be in significant doubt.

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10 Aug 2015 21:41:57
If it is going that badly then we would always have the January window. Besides I think if we were to sign Berahino and Pedro and keep Hernandez along with players such as Mata, Depay, Januzaj, Young, Herrera and even Fellaini then there should be more than enough goals with Rooney to get top four aslong as we don't give away as many silly goals as we did last year. But with a better RB in Darmian and a stronger midfield with Schneiderlin and Schweinsteiger then we should be more defensively sound. It might not be the most entertaining season but we should have enough to get top four at least.

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11 Aug 2015 06:27:00
Shappy

Are Manchester United going to buy just to make the top four? Surely we have more ambition than that? If we want higher we have to get the top players.

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10 Aug 2015 17:26:45
Saw Villa highlights on MOD . Rudy gestede scored a bullet header, apparently 19 of his 21 goals last season were headers.

I fear for Blind as CB on friday, a lot of posters have said he will struggle against the top teams but Villa have got a very potent weapon there - Of course mike smalling can pick him up but its not ideal when there is a packed area and no real established cohesive back 4 yet . I always thought Fridays game would be the tricky one and not the spurs one.

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10 Aug 2015 17:50:34
BFBW, its no point having one strong CB and other weak CB as how much ever you try to mark Gestede using Smalling he will always try to stay around Blind and we don't want Smalling to lose his position as that would create chances for other Villa players.

To be honest I like Paddy McNair and would have no problem if he starts ahead of Blind given that Jones is injured and Rojo is not match fit and Evans not good enough.

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10 Aug 2015 19:18:44
Just a thought , but maybe we could close them down in wide areas and stop them from putting crosses in? I maybe old school , but isn't that called tactics? No crosses , no headers. Simples!

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10 Aug 2015 19:38:47
Or you be pro active and stop the crosses coming into your box in the first place. The greatest header of the ball will fail to score without any service. And with full backs like Darmian and Shaw we are well equipped to stop crosses.

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10 Aug 2015 19:45:48
beat me to it Betty. lol

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10 Aug 2015 20:52:47
Let's hope they don't get any corners or free kicks near the box

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10 Aug 2015 20:58:10
Shape , all these young kids playing FIFA on their PlayStation's , eh. You would think they would know a little about the real game! :)

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10 Aug 2015 21:42:56
We can man mark him at set pieces you know.

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10 Aug 2015 22:53:47
Given our current practice of putting square pegs in round holes, we're as likely to mark him with Blind:-)

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10 Aug 2015 17:09:59
Utd need a striker who is:

Tall
Fast
Physical
Young
A natural finisher
Confident
Used to playing in a similar league
Won't cost the Earth
Doesn't play for a major European team

. Only one name springs to mind:

Patrick-Emerick Aubameyang

This bloke is quality and so underrated it's unbelievable.

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10 Aug 2015 17:27:26
I really like the 2 Southampton strikers. Mane and pelle, i think the names are. Pelle specially looks like he can play the lone role well. Also, wouldn't demand to play every week

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10 Aug 2015 17:38:10
He just signed a new contract

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10 Aug 2015 18:18:11
He's Danny Welbeck with a fancier name.

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10 Aug 2015 19:37:34
Well said RedRosie, we'd be just as well of taking up Usain Bolt on his offer, remember when some fans genuinely thought Fergie would take him? 😂

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10 Aug 2015 19:50:49
he is faster and a better finisher but still probably not good enough for what we want.

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10 Aug 2015 16:17:36
As i have been a long time reader of this site I have seen most of the names everyone has wanted over the years and it is funny how some of these have gone.

M'Vila, a lot of people on here wanted him to be our midfield enforcer and regarded him as a great player. He is now at Sunderland and failed at Inter.

Afellay, Many wanted him before Barca got him and saw him as the creative player we needed. Failed at Barca and is now at Stoke.

the list goes on but it just goes to show we don't always know as well as we think we do and it is clear that the Management team know far more about players than we do. Imagine if we had signed M'Vila a few years ago and he kept Carrick out of the team would we have played any better? my feeling is no because Carrick has been our best midfielder.

I am not saying they are not good players by the way but they certainly would not have improved us. Who knows maybe we will look back at Felipe Anderson or Laporte in a few years playing for Newcastle and think did we really want these players?

(Laporte won't flop though)

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{Ed007's Note - That's just complete nonsense, there's no way of possibly knowing how a player would have progressed at a different club.}

10 Aug 2015 16:58:27
Bond has a point

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10 Aug 2015 17:10:38
That's utter bull. So many times players regress because of injuries, being played out of position, not getting enough chances, overconfidence and what not.

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10 Aug 2015 17:54:09
Ed, do you think Anderson would have become a world beater if he had signed for another team that us? Some players just don't cut the mustard.

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{Ed007's Note - Are you just going to go through a list of random names? You don't know what would have happened with Anderson at another club, nobody does. M'Vila was playing well when he was linked to Utd and Arsenal, how do you know he wouldn't have became a top player if he had moved to either of them, how do you know he still won't become a top player, he's only turned 25?
So you think Utd should target players who have flopped at their present club rather than players who are playing well?
That's just nonsense.}

10 Aug 2015 18:18:30
I can remember the vast majority of eds and posters saying avoid m'vila for his attitude?

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10 Aug 2015 18:31:54
That's football I'm afraid. Di Maria and Falcao screamed out 'goals galore' and look how that turned out.

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10 Aug 2015 21:21:32
@1redarmy: Thank you, finally, the place WAS desperately in need of some in yo face, dumbed down, so wrong that its funny kinda humour and you gave that to us. That makes you a giver and don't let anyone change that.

from a footballing point of view its absolute tosh, as further elaborated by my colleagues in the posts above. But thanks for the laugh. Peace

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10 Aug 2015 13:39:11
What Liverpool Signing would united fans have liked?
I would have liked morgan schneiderlin instead of milner By a long distance

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10 Aug 2015 14:02:11
None of your signings, I'd take Coutinho though.

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10 Aug 2015 14:02:13
Big Al - If i HAD to pick. Probably Firmino or Benteke. Simply because its what we need.

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10 Aug 2015 14:02:13
I would have liked Clyne but Darmian is proving me wrong.

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10 Aug 2015 14:03:09
I would of took firmino for some creativity

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10 Aug 2015 14:06:56
Benteke for sure, out of all the ones you've made he's realistically the only one we need.

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10 Aug 2015 14:07:10
Honestly none. Benteke is a great player but wouldn't have paid what the fee was. Firmino as a Brazilian I am wary of and he could very easily fail to adapt. So yep, none. I don't see any player that you have signed being of any use to us at all. Darmian was a much better buy that Clyne also.

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10 Aug 2015 14:30:34
benteke for me, i think he would of been ideal for the style we play

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10 Aug 2015 14:31:08
Benteke. He might have a poor touch and turn like a wildebeest, but he is unbelievable in the air and has a real presence in front of goal.

He will definitely score goals for you this season.

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10 Aug 2015 14:32:28
Benteke - Would you swap Benteke for Rooney Big Al? I don't really rate him myself, but would prefer him.

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10 Aug 2015 14:36:04
How many of you have actually seen Firminio play or just know he's creative from the stat screen on football manager.Firminio was linked to United before his move to Liverpool but that doesn't make him a payer we need.

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10 Aug 2015 14:49:23
Milner to drive the team bus

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10 Aug 2015 15:19:16
Probably Bogdan, has the potential to be better than De Gea IMO.

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10 Aug 2015 15:35:10
I've seen a lot of firmino last season and he's a very good player. We don't have any creativity in the side. What we would do for coutinho. Plus benteke is better than rooney

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10 Aug 2015 16:28:51
Beast must you skate Rooney in every post you make? It's quite impressive actually.

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10 Aug 2015 17:53:17
You rate darmain better than Clyne after one game?

Beast rooney was finished after the 2010 worldcup. United would be a better team without him.

Firminhos a great buy, now has to do it in the premier league.
The disappointing signings for me were milner and ings .Milner is a great squad player but he's guaranteed first team under Rodgers. He WAs not needed And is the club's highest earner earning double of couttinhos wages. Ings has taken the place of a young sinclair who now looks to leave us. sinclair should have been given that chance. Liverpool have signed one too too my players. Few good buys but few unneeded yet again

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10 Aug 2015 17:58:20
Slate* rather

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10 Aug 2015 18:28:53
Kenny Dalglish , and only £440k at the time.

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10 Aug 2015 18:37:24
Firmino is such a good buy he's added an 'h' into his name to be more Brazilian.

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10 Aug 2015 20:54:31
Jimmy liddel in disguise maybe?. U guys should check him out. Tooooo funny

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10 Aug 2015 22:57:43
Benteke. I wouldn't have considered him before but as lvg is no longer thinking of any strikers, I'll take benteke right now.

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10 Aug 2015 13:16:46
Interesting punt on the Spurs page.

'Valdes, Januzaj & Hernandez + £60m = Lloris & Kane'

What do they smoke over there?

Valdes & Hernendez +£15m = Lloris & Kane is what i would say.

If only Maths lessons were more like this.

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10 Aug 2015 14:04:32
Maybe a little more than £15m but certainly not what they are saying! I would go Valdes + £10m for Lloris and Hernandez plus £25m for Kane at the most.

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10 Aug 2015 14:50:33
Valdes will defo be used in some sort of deal in the next 3 weeks .Probably if we sign a new keeper.

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10 Aug 2015 15:10:30
Valdes, Hernandez and £45m would be ok for their 2 players, any more would be excessive. Never happen anyway.

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10 Aug 2015 12:39:24
Obviously LVG is an admirer of Otamendi, but Aymeric Laporte is years younger has experienced playing at top level and will prob be cheaper? I would love Laporte at Utd!

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10 Aug 2015 13:01:02
We know Zzzzzz

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10 Aug 2015 13:27:17
i heard Laporte is waiting for one of the top 2 Spanish clubs to come in for him (heard it on here i think ) we could just end up with another De Gea situation on our hands

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10 Aug 2015 14:09:00
It's like a weekly reply for me this Ronnie, he's holding out for Barcalona. And no we can't just meet his release clauses and sign him and yes we can do that with Otamendi; because he wants to come.

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10 Aug 2015 17:02:59
Give him a break lads, Lacazette signed a new deal so only 1 left now, and Laporte is young isn't he?

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10 Aug 2015 12:26:03
Why is there a hold up with pedro it can't be because of this super cup would it not be better to pay his release clause then that's it done or is it not that simple

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10 Aug 2015 13:19:48
It's not a release clause it's a gentleman's agreement between Barca and the player. Barca can therefore block any transfer until the time they see fit.

Well I think that's the case anyway.

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10 Aug 2015 13:28:08
i read neymar having mumps could delay it, not sure if true though

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10 Aug 2015 13:38:12
Click on my name and read my last Banter reply, which is regarding Pedro.

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10 Aug 2015 11:58:43
Silva, de bruyne, sterling as the 3 behind aguero! that will frighten some defences this season

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10 Aug 2015 12:12:07
That i can't argue with. It looks scary

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10 Aug 2015 12:15:46
If Yaya can also find form that will be worrying Pep.

I know we can't just go ad hoc for any available players but we are desperately missing that magic of chance creation and KDB assisted many goals last season. He really is a player I enjoy watching.

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10 Aug 2015 12:20:22
2 of those players don't track back at all. Has to be Silva OR De Bruyne for me otherwise you are asking too much of Fernando and Fernandinho who are both bang average.

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10 Aug 2015 13:06:36
Toure and Delph sitting back

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10 Aug 2015 13:29:27
man city are fast becoming all flair not steel

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10 Aug 2015 13:37:30
Agreed Pep. Sterling was an excellent buy in my opinion. And if they get De Bruyne then I think City will have the best first team in the league by far. When you look at the equivalent man for man in our team, you realize that we are more than a little behind in terms of quality.

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10 Aug 2015 14:11:17
Isn't KDB going to Munich?

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10 Aug 2015 14:25:37
Toure is not a DM. Delph is hardly an upgrade on the two Brazilians.

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10 Aug 2015 15:25:00
He runs a lot more than the Brazilians! Are you saying our midfield is better redrosie?

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10 Aug 2015 16:09:26
In the positions we are discussing? 100%. Carrick and Schweinsteiger are our DM's and they are both better than Delph/Fernando/Fernandinho and it's not even close.

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10 Aug 2015 16:32:48
I agree redrosie but I was originally talking about the 3 behind aguero too! So on the whole who has the best midfield 5. No arguments there! If mata plays inbetween Pedro and depay we might have a closer contest

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10 Aug 2015 11:39:36
I try and stay off this site after matches, leave it for the Monday morning, so here i am.

Just had a read down the page and got to admit, a lot of ultimatums being banded about after the FIRST game of the season.

Chris Smalling and Matteo Darmian we're my players of the match yesterday. I really do think Smalling will be a great player this season. Can even see him as a future Captain. We need someone who can play alongside him. Blind is not the answer.

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10 Aug 2015 15:10:06
I agree

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10 Aug 2015 15:37:50
How about rojo

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10 Aug 2015 11:15:19
Madrid, it's been reported, are offering cash + Keylor Navas for De Gea? I for one would take it! Know I'm sure Keylor is worth abit, and we could sell him on for a pretty profit? Now did anyone see Jack Butland yesterday? I think this guy is a talent? Buy Jack and we have two of the best English goalkeeping talents who will ONLY GET BETTER? Win, win! Adding to our English contingent? Let's not forget, our goalkeeping coach MADE DE GEA, he would also make these two!

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10 Aug 2015 12:12:17
Which goalkeeping coach MADE DE GEA? He has had three at this club already, and I'm pretty sure he was a decent player prior to last season too.

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10 Aug 2015 12:21:38
I saw Jack Butland get a weak hand on Coutinho's shot. Keeper with strong wrists like De Gea or Courtois saves that.

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10 Aug 2015 12:24:20
Ronnie I think you'll find it was Chris Woods who had the biggest impact on DDG goalkeeping education. He had a similar impact in improving Tim Howard at Everton and did the same with Adrian at West Ham last season.
We should have never let him go, Frans Hoek is well respected but his methods are a little old school, also from what I've heard he can be differcult to get along with.
But he is LvG's man through amd through amd will be here until LvG leaves.

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10 Aug 2015 13:07:10
"i think this guy is a talent?" That's a great question Ronnie, I'll get back to you with the answer.

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10 Aug 2015 13:26:35
Eric Steele might have something to say about that Shappy.

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10 Aug 2015 13:44:00
Ronnie, are you kidding with regards Butland? He didn't have much to do and when he was called to save the shot from Coutinho, he didn't save it. Watch the shot again, it was nearly 2 yards inside the post and he didn't get to save it. Very poor indeed, I think 75% of the goalkeepers in the league would have saved that.
And yet, our own debutant, Romero, made some fantastic stops and no one is giving him much credit. Michael Owen mostly critisized him. This guy has just come to the club, new country, new team mates, language problem and he turned in a fantastic performance. Of course he had one or two bad distribution moments, he will have to get a relationship going with his defence, but for him to come in here in front of 77,000 people and perform as he did, was extremely encouraging.

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10 Aug 2015 13:54:35
Shappy, I also think Eric Steele was strong influence on De Gea. Very good GK coach who I understand is now working for the F.A.

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10 Aug 2015 14:32:31
Eric Steele was intsrumental in helping De Gea settle in England. He learned Spainsh to help the transistion. But it was Woods who help with De Gea's decision making, it was Woods who improved him as a player.

Thats not to take anything away from Steele, just that Woods imo is the better coach at improving players. Remember Steel was in charge of keeper training when we had Foster, Carroll and Howard and yet he didn't help them progress all that much. VdS didn't need any coaching just help with training. Woods made Howard a better keeper when he was at Everton, he made DDG a better keeper while he was here and he has helped Adrian become one of the best keepers in the league last season.

I rate him as the best goalkeeping coach in the world at present.

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10 Aug 2015 10:55:45
A little game to see who people would like to see signed and who prioritises what.

We all agree we need a GK, CB, ST and winger.

So if we could only sign three players between now and the close of the window with a budget of around about 75m who would you sign.

P.s. No cheating by extending the budget by saying you'd sell this player or that player for x amount and adding that to you budget.

So three players who's fees combine to around 75m.

Mine would be Otamendi 35m, Pedro 22m and Berahino 15m.

A leader in defence, pace on the wings and potential upfront.

Who would you go for?

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{Ed004's Note - assuming De Gea leaves then Lloris 20 million, Laporte 30/35 million and pedro the rest}

10 Aug 2015 12:12:35
lloris 20 m, lewandowski 40m and konplyanka free?

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10 Aug 2015 12:13:58
Cillessen £15m
Chielini £20m
Reus £35m
Januzaj training on bulking him up and perfecting his shooting.£5m

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10 Aug 2015 12:17:54
Godin, Greizmann and Lopes.

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10 Aug 2015 12:27:51
Lewandowski £30m
Otamendi £30m

Use rest to try for Pedro . If not just the two above

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10 Aug 2015 12:33:08
Ed004, I can't us getting Lloris without paying over the odds to Levy. He will know we have cash and will be a little desparate.

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10 Aug 2015 12:50:45
Lewandowski,otamendi,lloris or pedro,depending on ddg to stay then pedro

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10 Aug 2015 13:09:13
Lewandowski 40m
Hummels 30m
Obertan 10-12m

Job done with a little left to add to the GK budget if DDG leaves.

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10 Aug 2015 13:45:13
Lewindawski, Pedro and Garay

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10 Aug 2015 14:36:31
Bogdan,milner and ings;).
No seriously I'd buy Charlie Austin -£15, Adrian from Westham-£10 stones-£35

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10 Aug 2015 15:41:14
Yann Sommer 10m
R. Lewandoski 35
Pedro 22m

8m to me for doing such a good job :P

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10 Aug 2015 18:45:17
Garay, Lewandowski and Cillessen. Pedro, if DDG stays. Probably spunk the lot on Bale, tho :)

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11 Aug 2015 02:26:39
Javi Martinez, Ramos and Zlatan but there's no value in the market so they'd cost the full £75 mill.

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10 Aug 2015 10:36:50
Lvg only interested in a striker or centre back if 'they are better than what we have ' well that is quite a large amount of players to choose from so why isn't anyone coming in. On the rooney comments I'm a big fan of rooney, he was crap on Saturday but no way should he be replaced, more like helped with a out and out number 9

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10 Aug 2015 10:50:25
Rooney is better playing off someone and not as the lone or main striker. I don't have a problem with him in the team on that basis however would it limit or change the formation LVG wants to play just to accommodate him?

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{Ed004's Note - This actually happens every year and I'm not accusing you Red Man. But wasn't everyone saying last year how Rooney isn't a number 10 and we need to see him as the main striker to get the best of him etc etc}

10 Aug 2015 11:05:04
I don't think I've ever seen a player on whom 'jack of all trades, master of none' applies more than rooney.

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10 Aug 2015 11:07:19
Rooney is best as a main striker. He is one of the top five marksmen in the league for me and I would be happy for him to lead the line this season but if that's the case the manager has to modify the system to suit him. If not then throw Felliani up there as first choice as it would reap more reward in the current set up.

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10 Aug 2015 11:10:25
Rooney isn't a true No.9 neither is he a true No.10.

He isn't disciplined enough to hold his position to play as a No.9.

But his passing and first touch aren't consistant enough to be a No.10 and the creative hub of the team.

Rooney will always be a player who give you 100%, but sometimes he will just fall short of producing the kind of performance the hype around him suggests he should be giving.

He needs to play just off the shoulder of a top striker, a supporting role. Not as a No.10 but more of a free role between the midfield and the forward line. That is when he has produced his best performances. For me his best games came alongside Louis Saha. He had good goalscoring seasons when played as a lone striker, but he also had a load of very average performance during those seasons. If you consider during the two seasons he played as the lone front man he scored 25-30 goals in 55+ games. Now a lot of those goals came together meaning he propbably didn't score in around 60-65% of our games during those seasons. That is only acceptable if there are a lot of goals coming from other areas on a regular and consisitant basis.

Rooney needs someone else to take up the goalscoring burden to allow him the freedom to play at his best.

Rooney for me works best in a 4411 formation as the one between the striker amd the midfield. There he will be involved in more of the game and be able to contirbute 15-20 goals with a main striker infront of him getting 20-30 goals and 15-20 goals coming from the wide players.

Rooney playing off the shoulder of someone like Lewandowski with say Pedro and Depay either side would get the best out of all the players.

But the question is can we bring in someone like Lewandowski?

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10 Aug 2015 11:14:43
I think the main problem with playing Rooney as a main striker in this formation is that he isn't disciplined enough to stay in his position all too often he drops deep. This nullifies any space for the number 10. What I do find strange is how we hear from ex pro who have played under LVG that he likes his players to work in box or zone and not to be free to improvise or roam, hence players like Zlatan and ADM struggle under him yet Rooney seems to have license to go wherever he likes. I think Rooney could play up top but we need pace on wings which for me means young and Mata moved off the wings for Memphis and Pedro if he comes in.

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10 Aug 2015 11:41:07
Typical

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10 Aug 2015 11:45:20
Red man, what attributes of his, do you feel make him suitable to play behind a main striker? Close control? Nope. Short passing? Nope. Quick thinking? Nope. Vision? Nope. His main attribute,for me, is his ability to put the ball in the net. Now I am not his biggest fan, shocking I know, but I won't write him off as our main striker after our first league game. No one is firing on all cylinders, for the first few games of the season.

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10 Aug 2015 12:00:37
Well said Edd. The aim for the team is to get playing like they did in the period of the tottenham game through to the man city game of last year. Rooney said last year how disciplined you have to be in that role pushing the defence back and creating space in behind between the opposition midfield and backline. The key will be what depay can do in there! LVG told rooney last year this is how bayern played in his time and the striker doesn't recieve many touches at all on the ball but he scored twice as many goals as rooney!

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10 Aug 2015 12:25:07
Brendan

I think Shappy has given a good description of the issue. I would add that Rooney usually needs multiple chances to score , he is not clinical. I haven't formed an opinion based on one game but over a period of years watching him live and I was there at OT for his debut hat-trick. He is a conundrum because you can't fault his effort but he has always scored in bursts and in the quiet periods, which are often long periods , the team can suffer. We cannot afford that as a main striker

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10 Aug 2015 12:30:26
Should of moved Rooney on. Lewandowski with Mata in behind. Rodney's movements poor, comes deep to offen, lost a yard of pace, dithers a lot as shown Saturday for the goal, and his first touch is woeful. Move him on and bring in a top number 9

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10 Aug 2015 11:18:03
Ed004,

Yes, I think so, maybe Rooney is just 'good' everywhere but isn't the world class striker we all think we need. He will score plenty of goals if given the service as we know, Pedro may be a massive help.

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{Ed004's Note - I don't think he will be upgraded this year but I expect by the end of the season we will have to sign a new striker}

10 Aug 2015 11:26:42
Hi Ed

I don't believe I have ever said he should be the main striker however he does polarise opinion somewhat. I was just talking to an Everton season ticket holder this morning and he said Rooney was not a focal main striker there either. Opinions vary and some rate him highly however whilst he is a willing worker his level of quality is not it should be. I watched close up last season as his first touch let him down and passes inaccurately given away and it concerns me if he is to be our main striker. Others will disagree yet SAF bought RVP instead of trusting Wayne. I was not comfy selling him to Chelsea two years ago but he hasn't gone to the level his promise showed in the early days. Probably his best period was with Ronaldo and Tevez and that is maybe how it could work now , yet he has to earn his place. If we are ambitious it needs someone better as the main striker unless we buy Bale and play like we did in 2008

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{Ed004's Note - I wasn't accusing you of making the claim but it's commonly used on here and once he is moved into the number 10 position everyone will come back claiming he is a better striker etc}

10 Aug 2015 13:05:27
Redmond, I agree with the bursts, just hoping given a clean run as striker, he will be more consistent. If not, then their is no point him being here, as he isn't good enough to take another players place elsewhere. I think he should get a run up top, then we will know for sure.

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10 Aug 2015 13:09:45
Here we go again shappy. I only get half an hour for my dinner break.

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10 Aug 2015 13:29:24
Hi Ed

I know you weren't , I was just answering overall. Rooney elicits widely different opinions , a bit like Nani 3 years ago which heralded similar debates and see what happened to him!

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10 Aug 2015 14:23:38
i think rooney at the very least deserves until January to play as the main striker to see if he can produce up there.

he's been so used to not having a midfield to back him up that he's now got to change his game back to how it was when he played as a solo striker, if he can that is of course.

this is the first season in how long we actually have a midfield capable of competing, so he should be able to stay further forward

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10 Aug 2015 14:38:43
Douglas I just re-read my post in under 3 minutes. So the good news is you can read it 10 times during your lunch break if you want. Lol.

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10 Aug 2015 18:33:59
Strebor

We could be out of it by January if Rooney is the main striker and has one of his "dry" patches.

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10 Aug 2015 10:14:45
I think a lot were expecting so much from our new look team on Saturday, maybe as many were expecting us to crash and burn (there will always be a glass half empty crew). The way I see it, formations, tactics and player positions aside we got a goot 3 points from a well set up spurs team that was always in it. If we gan gain another 3 points on Friday and follow that up with a goal or 2 on Tuesday and keep a clean sheet, our season will be looking like so much of an improvement on last year.

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10 Aug 2015 10:33:53
The only thing wrong with Saturday was players getting played in wrong positions once LVG grasps that we'll be fine.

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10 Aug 2015 10:56:58
Only logical reason I can think of, for not playing Depay on the wing is because he is on his 3 month's probation period and has not yet passed his philosphy exams. So, LVG is worried defensively he could let us down.

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10 Aug 2015 13:15:01
Hfully when we get pedro he will drop mata and play Herrera in the hole with depay on other wing in place of young.Then I think we'll get at teams

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10 Aug 2015 09:59:32
So today we are apparently close to Biglia. Another midfielder. If it's anywhere close to being true could any one explain y r we luking at a MF. It's already tough to accommodate what v hv (herrera). Y aren't v closing out the deals with Pedro and a defender. Dragging them on. Also Kane signing autographs has just given media a new dose. I hope there's some truth to this. Also Mr. 002 had mentioned that we are still after 2 to 4 players. Let's hope v c them sooner than later.

Friday can't come soon enough.

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10 Aug 2015 10:11:47
As I always say, if it doesn't make sense it is probably nonsense. We don't need a midfielder, so the link is nonsense, simple.

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10 Aug 2015 09:39:21
Shed a tear for Danny Welbeck who appears to be in the exact same position he was when he left us. 3rd choice striker. Genuinely gutted for him, if he had gone to a club at a slightly lower level he would be much better off. Shame.

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10 Aug 2015 09:52:30
Yup! Hopefully next time he'll go to Everton or someone and be much more successful.

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10 Aug 2015 10:25:06
It's one of those things, I don't get any pleasure in him failing at Arsenal as I really like the lad. I remember when he signed for them and they were all saying the same things we had previously been saying - 'pace' 'potential' 'just needs time up front' but they have come to realise (as we did) that he just isn't at this level. Hope he figures it out soon and signs for someone who'll play him.

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10 Aug 2015 11:58:50
Only positive we can take form the situation is the price we got for him, and the price Arsenal will get if they decide to sell.

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10 Aug 2015 09:06:50
Alright everyone, been a long time reader of the site but decided to bite the bullet and set up a profile! Wanted to say that so far so good with the new signings (although hope we secure a CB), and also I'm glad ADM saga is over and he is off the books. Let's face it, he never wanted to be here and certainly didn't deserve the privelage of wearing our famous no. 7 shirt. I hope the Pedro signing is concluded which is looking likely as pace down the right is needed. This isn't a pop a Mata, he isn't a winger and needs to be played centrally where he is class. Also, just a quick mention to a former no. 7 David Beckham, who put a picture of himself on social media in our new kit. This was picked up by the club and put on the official website. Absolute class by Becks! Showing his love and support for the club still, in contrast to Di Maria scampering off like a coward to France. We need players who WANT to be at the club, not just for a pay day. Keep the Red Flag flying high!

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10 Aug 2015 10:29:26
Welcome! Good post and I think most would agree with you on Mata. It's clear that most of our best attacking play comes down whichever side Young is playing on. Mata is a top player but have you ever seen him beat a full back? My hope is that if he continues playing there he will start to link well with Darmian and we will see a lot of the overlap down that side with Mata (who is superb at putting the ball through at the correct pace) playing it on for him.

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10 Aug 2015 15:06:27
On Saturday every time we looke threatening which wasn't much was when mata picked up the ball and drifted infield he should be playing #10

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10 Aug 2015 07:59:24
If the delay in the pedro deal is because of negotiations in prices, i can totally understand it but if it's because barca want him to play a high intensity cup final, its disgraceful. How stupid would it be if he was to get a cruciate injury or something?
Also this is the first time I'm glad the player is actually older, because buying any young Spanish player from Barcelona is madness. A couple of years and they wanna go home.

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10 Aug 2015 07:40:45
Not happy with the sun dream team ratings

Darmian 6
Rooney 7

What game did they watch

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10 Aug 2015 09:08:01
I ignore things like these in papers, they are biased to big names or they way a player is being portrayed at that time and they will only give good ratings to a hyped up player or one who has scored a hatrick

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10 Aug 2015 09:23:22
Scores out of 10 are absolutely ridiculous anyway and should be ignored, especially in red top rags. I thought Rooney lead the line pretty well, all the hate on here is a bit weird, Darmian was one of the best players on the pitch and has been all through pre season as well, extremely impressive.

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10 Aug 2015 09:29:55
Dave you should know better than to read that disgusting excuse for a newspaper. And if you do read it you should definitely know to take it with a pinch of salt!

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10 Aug 2015 09:42:14
Only read it for dream team ratings and where was my hate for Rooney the point I was making was that darmian Imo was better than Rooney yet the ratings say otherwise

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10 Aug 2015 10:08:03
I stopped playing it when Rooney, Gerrard & Lampard were getting MOTM for just turning up every week.

GDS2 - I just don't get what you want/expect from a striker if you think he did well, what exactly did he do well? You play upfront, would you be happy if you put in that performance, the Spurs CB's had a day at the beach? I expect more from a striker of a top team, then when he is our captain, England captain and our only real choice upfront I get worried!

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10 Aug 2015 10:14:38
I thought his work rate was good, he put himself about, his first touch that people complain about a lot was actually decent, he linked up will with Depay at times, it wasn't a world class performance but there were glimpses of what he can do.

I do play up front and I assure you he is a lot better than me, he ran for longer than 5 minutes and wasn't blowing out of his arse lol, I did score more goals than him this weekend though!

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10 Aug 2015 11:05:26
I agree his touch wasn't as bad as normal. But these "glimpses" are what we would expect to say about Wilson imo. He is treated like a superstar, paid like a superstar, I would just like him to play like one now and again or at least look like he could play like one, I haven't seen it for years!

If we had a compilation of the best bits of Wayne Rooney's career, it would be 98% pre-2012. Couple that with the "what position can he play" factor it is just plain wrong how much emphasis is placed on him.

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10 Aug 2015 11:14:26
GDS2 - I like Rooney but he had a mare at the weekend. No need to pussyfoot around it and try make out he was better than he actually was. Hopefully he turns it on next week.

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10 Aug 2015 12:36:16
He's on about £300k a week and for that money he should perform like it week in week out. You see the likes of Suarez turning up week in week out. The fact is Rooney has never hit the heights his wages warrant, never been as good as aguero, or Torres at Liverpool, Suarez etc.

Fergi saw it, shame Moyes didn't. I would have sold him a few years ago and bought a genuine world class forward, that I'm afraid Rooney isn't and never has been

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10 Aug 2015 17:11:26
A post about how much he earns makes me so glad we have got rid of a few off big wages, so many times I heard last season about Di Maria '300k a week and he can't even. ', what does how much money you earn have to do with how well you play, it doesn't.

I don't think Rooney had a mate MAZE, just my opinion, I have seen him play a lot worse, thought he did ok.

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10 Aug 2015 01:52:43
seeing a bit of hate towards Pedro. some saying he can't even get into their team. well, they have Suarez, Neymar and Messi.
There isn't many players that would get in that team ahead of those.

I personally would welcome his arrival.

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10 Aug 2015 02:55:06
Absolutely, the more I think about it the more I like the idea. I think a bit of pace on the right certainly wouldn't go a miss, and we could stretch the play a lot more. he's not massive but looks slightly bulkier than ADM so will probably get bullied less than he did last year. I think he could do well for us.

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10 Aug 2015 04:35:27
I think the fact we could try for one of the few that could compete with a Messi, Suarez and Neymar is the upsetting thing. I don't think Pedro is a bad player but I by no means think he is world class.

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10 Aug 2015 08:49:59
We had pace on the right with Valencia but his end product was woeful. City had Navas but what has he done? Pedro is a good player but United, if we have real ambition, should be looking higher. If we buy Pedro we will still need a striker yet if we could get a Bale it would make a big difference. A front three of Depay Rooney and Pedro is not a title challenging one, Bale, Rooney and Depay is nearer, Bale, Lewandowski and Depay would be tasty.

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10 Aug 2015 09:10:54
Maze, they are 3 of the top 5 in the world with Ronaldo and Bale in there with them, if Ronnie and Bale are not for sale then we can't go for players who will challenge them. Pedro is a quality player and would improve us and it doesn't look like Reus will be going just yet.

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10 Aug 2015 10:16:18
I think there are a few better players out there RA1. Like you mentioned Bale is one and Reus another but players like Robben, Greizmann, Muller etc are all of higher standard than Pedro. There is a player Anderson at Lazio who is also very good and Lucas of PSG.

There is most definitely players more capable than Pedro.

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10 Aug 2015 11:36:25
When you look at what Pedro has accomplished, and the fact he was a main stay in barca' steam for years I find it astonishing how people can say Lucas moura or Felipe Anderson are better?

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10 Aug 2015 12:21:48
So on that reasoning as Reus hasn't won the CL he isn't as good as Pedro? As DDG hasn't won the CL he isn't as good Valdes?

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10 Aug 2015 13:05:27
The fact he's been in barcelonas line starting line up for so long tells u he's better than some people think, Pedro has a better goals record than reus, had u even heard of Felipe Anderson before u played football manager. Pedro isn't the best in the world but he held his own for barca when they dominated and also for Spain when they did. Reus is a top player but needs more consistency so yeah I'd say Pedro was better

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09 Aug 2015 23:23:45
Did anyone else notice that both Mark Hughes & Brenda Rogers both look like jigsaw from SAW!!!!

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10 Aug 2015 08:05:07
Would that be Sparky Hughes: United Legend?

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