Manchester United Banter Archive December 10 2012

10 Dec 2012 22:21:00
I came across this on the lfc page....

How much would neymar cost? I think we could get him at a reasonable price. I know it's not fifa or footy manager but I think an enquiry should be made

Chris the REDman

Here man look at the crap on our page too sometimes.
Everyday someone ask about this and that.they have as much a chance of signing neymar as we do ronaldo or geotze

Jay-c

Jay-c .... Are you serious?? Neymar would pick hundreds of clubs over Liverpool where as Goetze maybe a handful and Ronaldo maybe 2 or 3. What a silly post.

I just read on there the only reason players dont wanna sign for them is due to the expectation level,ie sigurdsonn,only players with bottle will sign for us.they live in fairyland,joeyored

10 Dec 2012 19:49:05
Evening Ladies and Gentlemen,

Well I didn't expect that yesterday. I thought we would get hammered. Mancini showed us no respect playing Ballotelli having scored only once this year. It was as if he didn't even have worry about us and it would be the Mario show.

Ok our first goal in terms of the way Roo struck the ball was fortunate, but there was nothing wrong with the second. I could be sat here now bemoaning 2 massive game changing decisions that went against us namely the Young goal and the Evra penalty. I am a little bitter that had those decisions stood we could of today been throwing the 1-6 back down their throats but they came out of it looking ok again like in the FA cup last year. Anyway the conclusion was priceless.

So here we go in to a four game period, 3 at home and 1 away. City have it in reverse. I feel that our patience will be tested to the max in the next four games, with team tinkering. Points will be dropped that you won't expect, because whether you like it or not Mancini and Ferguson have shown that the only time they want to be hitting the front is for the last 3 games.

Chelsea were walking it 2 years ago and we managed to chip away at them. We did the same last year, but the squad just wasn't strong enough in the end, and Vidic was a big out.

They have to beat Newcastle now Saturday to get the derby out of their systems. We did it last year at Goodison. You will see the team selection for Sunderland will depend on that result. If City lose he will not be able to resist resting big players. Swansea is a massive game and they are this months Norwich so we need to be aware.

I think we will still just be top come Boxing Day against the toon and we all know what he is capable of doing selection wise at that time of year

So hold on to your hats people and don't get too carried away with yesterday

Mike the Moston Red

I thought Rooney's first was a top top finish. He purposely cut it back into that corner. The only fortune was the through the legs, I also think he was aiming for that. He did Joe Hart all ends up.

DodgyBanter

Agree 100% with DodgyBanter. He could not strike it cleanly travelling at that speed in the opposite direction and cut it back that far into the other corner. I thought it was a top class finish, better than his second.

FHS

ExacTly Mike

It's 1 result! A good and encouraging one granted but lets not get euphoric about it!

By all accounts enjoy and rub it in faces but also see the bigger picture about where we need to be and signings that need to be made!

Without being Klootish this was the ideal result for the owners as to prove to them no investment is needed where we can all see it is!

Jono

10 Dec 2012 19:41:58
What a good analysis of the match from Gary Neville on MNF. I think SAF definitely out-thought Mancini this time.

10 Dec 2012 19:34:04
Most on here seem to be bigging up DDG after yesterday but as usual I am not buying it. Although he could do nothing with the second the first came about through the same save Linders was critisized on here for. Saving it back into the strikers path. He did well to save the second but could have easily been the same as QPR. Also his lack of communication was blatant as Rafa, Rio, Smalls and Rio all had a go at him for it and for sticking to his line. I have no doubt had the defence not been as good as they were we could have seen more than the one attempted catch that he fumbled. Over all his personal performance was nothing to take note of out with the good (self inflicted) double save.

Jono
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Jono mate, are you taking the piss? This is clutching at straws. It's clear you have a personal problem with De Gea, and you're letting that get in the way of your opinion. You have actually blamed him for the first goal where he made a world class double save? Are you f**king serious? Oh, so the first save fell to Silva, so it's classified as a mistake is it? The ball was shot at a ferocious pace. He did well to simply stop it.

You know it's funny you mention the one minor fumble, yet again fail to see the positives in his performance, where he on a number of occasions commanded his area, clearing the ball comfortably. He made 3-4 top quality saves, saves that Lindegaard wouldn't have made. I don't know what it's gonna take for you to see just how good he is. Maybe you should watch the game again and actually have an unbiased view.

G.A.G.U.S

G.A.G.U.S

I do have a few problems with DDG mainly the fact he won't stay with us plus I don't think he is the right build or has the right temperament for this league. I already said the double save was good what I was pointing out was everyone was saying it was world class where as Linders did the same v QPR and didn't have time to react to the second so his was being slated as a fault. I was taking nothing from the saves.

On the commanding of the area he is massively from improving. If he was improving he would have been moaned at once maybe twice not 4-5 times in one game.

He fumbled a clear catch where as Linders was slated for fumbling under pressure.

On top of that the defence in front was 100% better than reading so from that alone half of the job of defending set pieces was taken care of.

Look at the stats. That must have been the most solid all year we have been at crosses and set pieces and nothing of that was to do with DDG.

I'm not a fan like I wasn't of Barthez and I agree Linders isn't the answer but I personally don't rate DDG any higher than Linders other than in the areas already mentioned.

Jono

I've previously questioned paying £17M for DDG but I thought he was excellent yesterday. If he can keep that level up he'll be fine. And Jono, you're clutching at straws mate, he made 2 stunning saves before the 1st goal.

AJH

Jono total garbage.

You don't like him because you don't expect him to stay? And who exactly was daft enough to think when we signed him he'd end up staying for 10-15 years? That was always unrealistic. I've no problems with us spending 6 years turning him into a world class keeper and then screwing Barca or Madrid out of 50 million for him. There'll always be another keeper to sign.

Your nit picking on mistakes. And if you rate Lindergaard anywhere near De Gea then thats a massive mistake.

Jono - I agree that De Gea will not be with us for long due to Casillas needing replacing in a few years and I also agree that DDG's build is too light for the Premiership but you can bulk up in the gym so that can be sorted... There is very few keepers out there that are as good as him at shot stopping... Young goalkeepers are hard to come bye due to Keepers peaking late usually and the only ones that could be as good as DDG or better are Courtois, Leno and Ter Stegen... So would you rather go for a younger keeper again or go for a more experienced keeper in Adler, Begovic or someone like that? I think Ter Stegen is a class act but Leno has pushed Adler out of the Leverkusen first team which is no easy task.

Again you must be watching a different game, because De Gea was only moaned at once by Smalling. I didn't see anyone else have a go at him. The 'fumble' was a caused by the ball dipping sharply at the last second, which meant he had to readjust and reach out to catch it. It was hardly a fumble anyway. Lindegaard against QPR? It wasn't exactly world class. It was a simple save that happened to fall to Mackie. I don't remember anyone slating him for that. De Gea caught a cross cleanly yesterday, yet you make no mention that. He also cleared the box with 2 or 3 very good punches. Yet again, no mention. Why? You talk about his build not being right, yet he has gotten stronger since he first arrived. He's 22 Jono! Neuer is 27? Hart is 25? Casillas is 30? Buffon is 33?

You make the assumption that he wants to return to Spain in the future. On what basis? He's already said he would never go to Real Madrid, and Barca don't exactly need a keeper for a long time yet. If you listen to or read his interviews, he sounds very happy at United.

Jono, when Joe Hart was 22, did you think he would become the goalkeeper he has become?

G.A.G.U.S

Im out on the piss tonight lads for some Monday madness I'll reply tomo.

But gagus there was more than the smalls incident where he was moaned at bud

Jono

Oh and there were many people saying he would be here for 10 years when he signed so don't start!

Jono

I think some people , well one person needs to lay off our talented young upcoming goal keeper.

Looks to be a great shot stopper but I saw a keeper who started to punch and take command, who pushed his way in front of those who would previously have restricted him.

It is there if you want to see it but frankly De Gea is a terrific young talent who needs the confidence of his manager and the fans. He is one who will develop into one of the worlds top goalkeepers, something Lindegaard will never do.

Red Man

DDG was very impressive, and miles better than linders get your head together.... If the def had of cleared the ball properly and done there job we could have won easily.... RVP had more defensive headers than any defenders... Look again at the defending we need to learn basics and clear the ball or put it out

Reddevilfan

Not been totally convinced with De Gea so far, but to be fair he looked a lot more decisive and commanding last game

Particularly liked the way, when our defenders were marking at corners, he gave them a shove out of the way to stop the City players from standing on top of him.

He needs to keep being a bully boy in there.

StevieK

10 Dec 2012 18:42:11
does anybody think paul scholes would be a good manager? Not united's necessarily but i would like to see either him, ole or giggs take over at the helm someday in the future.
RD27

I think he could be a good manager, i mean he would have learnt his trade from one of the best managers of all time. Although at the same time i thought Roy Keane could have been a good manager and look how that turned out... RED ROVER

I think he (scholes) would make a great number 2 or first team coach tbh, he's been with UTD since he was young so he will have learned alot from fergie, tactics etc, but personally i dont think scholes is the type to command from the touchline, screaming instructions etc...he's a genius dont get me wrong but i think he'd have more influence by training young talent and players and teaching them the game scholsey style! just my opinion, im sure there many who will disagree.....:)

Rouge Diablo :)

10 Dec 2012 18:05:51
if we was only able to buy two players in the summer/january, which two would you want?

mine would have to be a new CM and a new Winger.
maybe strootman/bender/gundogan for CM and rodriguez/zaha for the wings.

CB is still ok for now, vidic just needs to bulk up a bit and get match fit and rio still has one last season in him.
as for leftback evra/buttner and fabio will probably get us by for a season before we make a change there.

I'd like a LB, CM and LWF to be honest, but seeing as I'm just allowed 2 I'd go for LB and CM. I think we could cope with Kagawa coming in off the left and Valencia/Young as options for the right. I agree that CB is OK for now

So...

LB - Baines all the way

CM - Lars Bender seems a good chice, Vidal would be even better but he's unlikely to leave so I'll settle for Bender!

Gav

I would say Baines & Vidal.

Fresh!

Lb, cm.

shahram

10 Dec 2012 17:14:11
JBones,

Of course i dont think we would have won with giggs in the team on sunday because we needed to match their power.
my point is i trust the boss to see that and make the call so my point is very much valid. i dont always agree with team selection and personally would like to see ando and smalling start more, but the squad managment decisions over a season require a lot more knowledge than we have access to. I trust management to make decisions based on info from sports science, physios, coaches, psychologists ect because it has brought us success. if we win the league this year nobody will care if clevs should have pplayed ahead of giggs on any given night.
Brendan

10 Dec 2012 16:22:50
Had'nt realised how popular Sydney was , just seen a headline on Uniteds official site,"Reds to visit Sydney".
Raffa

Yes it's true, they will be visiting me in July. It's when their missus' visit in June that I will be more ecstatic ;)

Sydney!

10 Dec 2012 18:36:17
Mrs Fergusons all yours Sydney!

Stoner

I've heard they're just going to send Cleverly so him and Syd can finally get a room ; )

Gav

Stoner, still think I am delusional when I said we will finish 20 points ahead of Arsenal and 35 ahead of Liverpool? In fact I think I will be wrong. I think 30 points ahead of Arsenal and 35 ahead of Liverpool.

Sydney!

Only 35 ahead of Liverpool?
They'd better start winning a few more against the "top 15" then ;)

DodgyBanter

10 Dec 2012 15:43:39
http://metro.co.uk/2012/12/10/manchester-united-legend-paddy-crerand-in-bizarre-radio-5-derby-rant-3309651/

A recording of Paddy's rant.

Legend.

Andy S

A bit over the top if you ask me, took it the wrong way then wouldn't listen to what the was trying to explain to him..

JK92

Lol. That was one hell of an interview. "Why have we changed commentators? Why have you come on all of a sudden?" That was hilarious. " Thought you ran away"

SHAITAN

JK92, Paddy was spot on as they purposely tried using him to cause mischief. Ferdinand was celebrating in front of the United fans and Paddy made that very clear.

Sydney!

Paddy was correct to ask how many texts, emails etc criticised Ferdinand for celebrating by the away fans because I doubt there were many, if any who believes that it was Rio's fault. It was no more than a nobody presenter trying to cause mischief with his anti-United bias. I think they should have got their facts straight before putting that ridiculous question to Paddy, they should have at least watched the game and they would have seen Rio celebrated with the United fans, not the home fans.

Sydney!

10 Dec 2012 14:49:28
I'll be gutted if we allow that Serbian kind Lazar Markovic go to Chelsea. He's the next Messi.

Get a grip, everyone is the next Messi ;)

Sydney!

10 Dec 2012 13:17:09
ok messi's very skillful and he's done great to beat a forty year old record. But greatest player ever? Do me a favour. I'd put pele, maradona, best and cruyff ahead of him. When he's single handedly carried an average team to winning a world cup like maradona or won three of them like pele then yeah he's the best. But he hasn't even managed to do a cruyff and win three european cups in a row. As for georgie if he played now with these pitches, balls, boots and rules he'd have smashed that scoring record weeks ago.

Disagree!

It's impossible to say who is the best but for me Messi is up there with Maradona and Pele in the top 3...

"When he's single handedly carried an average team to winning a world cup like maradona"

So we're going to punish Messi for playing in some of the best club and international teams around? So unless Messi leaves Barca and comes to Wigan and helps them win a PL (or similar) he cannot be classed as the best? Ridiculous comment, he started at the best club around so why move...

"or won three of them like pele then yeah he's the best"

So to become the best player you have to exactly match what other people have achieved in a totally different age of football? Genius. What if he wins only 2 WC's but goes onto win 8 CL's - still not allowed to be caled the best? Also, Pele never came to Europe - so if you're going to start making up rules for judging who's best maybe Pele should be disregarded?

"But he hasn't even managed to do a cruyff and win three european cups in a row"

As above - so he has to physically match a random record achieved by every top player in a different age just to be called the best? Again, sillyness. Cruyff couldn't score 86 goals in a calender year, so what?

"As for georgie if he played now with these pitches, balls, boots and rules he'd have smashed that scoring record weeks ago"

Totally subjective sentance with no basis for your argument whatsoever. What if I was to say...'if Messi played against the poor defences and tactics of the olden days then he would have doubled Muller's record!' (honest)

Fair enough is you don't think Messi is the best ever - but there's no need to make up silly rules and try to justify in a manner so childish as 'try coming back when you've won this or that!'

The only way to judge such a subjective thing as this is to watch hours and hours of footage of what they could do and how they impacted games. Messi can dribble and shimmy like Maradona but scores as many goals as Gurt Muller....that should be enough to show he is a very, very special talent!

Last point - Messi is what 27 years old? That is the scariest thing about him we're talking about a player who may not have even peaked yet

Gav

Greatest player ever = Maradona.

The interview he did while punting the ball high as f**k in the air and it landed back where he kicked it from then he volleyed it back up again was brilliant.

Jono

Just about every comment you have made is rubbish

Puzzled

{Ed007's Note -

It really annoys me when people say 'if they played now they would of...' cos you've got to remember that yeah they would have been better players given the amazing training, conditioning and equipment that we have these days but you also have to remember, that the defenders have all this extra training so they have got better as well!

Red Joe

10 Dec 2012 15:07:41
messi is a great player no doubts about that but i see 2 different messi's 1 for barca &other for argentina
if the messi for barca is taken into consideration then yes he might jst be the best ever but for argentina less so
i for 1think he is a great player but still nt the best until he perfroms similarly for argentina
giv ronaldo the backing of xavi ,fabg,inestaetc he might score more then messi

vishu red devil

You can't judge a player of today against a player from 20 30 or 40 years ago. Football has changed so much in that time that it becomes impossible to judge players over generations as there are too many variables.

Pele, Mardonna, Best, Romario, Zidane Messi and all the rest can only be described as the best of their generation. As for the best of all time? Its impossible to give a definitive answer so lets stop looking shall we.

Shappy

10 Dec 2012 17:11:49
No one ever mentions Puskas, bit before my time but someone who revolutionized the game and was a true legend. Much more than a footballer.

Thanks a lot ed007 for video.. Simply amazing..

What about David Bellion a true legend & world beater

10 Dec 2012 12:57:02
Comments like "Ferdinand on the 2013 tour posters, must mean a new contract" are rubbish, park was on this years tour posters and he still was sold

RedKnight

Well said.

Fresh!

This is completely different to Park. Ferdinands contract is up in the summer. If the club knew he wasn't going to be here, it's highly unlikely that they'd put him on a poster promoting something he'd never be a part of.

The fact of the matter is that he is still very marketable. Its like you saying, Ronaldo should help promote it because he will be at the club next summer. *Not saying that he is signing.

Fresh!

10 Dec 2012 12:23:01
Ok so after lots of conjecture over the last few months, lots of opinions and banter, time for people to put their money where there mouth is.... Who do we think we will sign in Jan? Names on a postcard lads!

Whistler.

I think in January we may just lose Nani and one or two younger players like King and call it a day at that. And then in summer have more of a rebuild with Strootman, Rodriguez & Zouma coming in along with Fabio returning from loan. Zaha I suppose is possible but I hope not.

Fresh!

10 Dec 2012 11:26:54
Did anyone hear Paddy Crerand on the radio giving the presenters stick. They suggested that it was Rio's own fault for celebrating. Paddy went off on one and rightly so. How can anyone suggest that Rio celebrating with the United fans after a late winner justifies him getting a coin to the head. The anti-United out there is mind blowing.

Sydney!

10 Dec 2012 12:13:26
Yeah, I heard it! Cracked me up! You should have heard me egging him on in my car!! Ha Ha

Whistler.

Syd it was brilliant,sometimes i think he goes over the top over nothing but this time he was fully justified in his rant,he made the presenter sound a right person.

phil

10 Dec 2012 11:12:16
HE'S UGLY!
HE'S SCOUSE!
HE MUST OF ROBBED KLOOTS HOUSE!
WAYNE ROONEY! WAYNE ROONEY!!
Chris the REDman

10 Dec 2012 10:18:20
Rio on the poster for Tour 2013, suggests new contract for him?

10 Dec 2012 07:52:04
Firstly I'd like 2 say great display from the players
I don't understand why so many hate ferdinand I thought he had a great game and usually does

10 Dec 2012 06:38:01
IMO, Rafael is the best RB in the EPL. Smalling is the best CB England has. Rooney is finding his form and getting to that point of scoring everytime he plays. De gea is better than Anders and Robin Van Persie is well Robin Van Persie.
PeeBoaiy

10 Dec 2012 02:03:18
In my opinion Michael Carrick was immense today, kept Yaya and Silva quiet the whole game (I know yaya scored but from no fault of carricks, after a double save)

He just does his job effectively and is one of the best around at what he does. BUT he needs the players in front of him to perform in order for him to play well.

Also I feel Evans and Smalling are our cb for years to come!

cs93

So basically, in summary a quality team performance, including subs obviously

cs93

Carrick's interceptions and positional awareness mixed with Cleverley's energy and willingness to receive the ball at anytime did work well yesterday.

Sydney!

10 Dec 2012 09:22:15
Agree Carrick was immense. I thought every player put in a top class performance with outstanding efforts from DDG, Carrick, Young and of course Rooney - let's just hope we continue in this vein when playing the so called lesser teams. Also a mention for the tactics (I, along with many others, have been critical of recent team selections) - it was great to see SAF stick with the wide men who kept their fullbacks quiet for most of the game so closing down City's width. Finally when Tony went off and Jones came on it was to SAF's credit that he quickly recognised the increased threat from Clichy down our right and threw on Danny Boy to pin him back, which of course led to the winning goal.
I LOVE DAYS LIKE THAT!!

Doc Ock

I have to agree, it was the best i've seen carrick play in a long time.

Every player imo gave 110%.

The workrate, intensity and passion that the players showed was second to none, they all wanted to win, which frustrates me when we come up against the likes of Norwich in which we have the players and fight but don't show it and our performance is flat.

If we can show that drive and determination for the rest of the season it ll be a hard job stopping us.

City are a world class team - Hart, Kompany and Aguero are unreal players and the only three i can stick, others Nasri, Tevez etc are money grabbing wesaels, We should have won it before RVP free Kick with young's disallowed goal but the determination to come back again was incredible.

How good is Rooney and RVP together? when they are on form they are unplayable.

RVP - Legendary Status - Approved!

Scoring winners away to Liverpool and now City - 24m is starting to become the bargain of the season.

We have a tough christmas coming up but a run of home games which hopefully should see us cement top spot.

Giants14

10 Dec 2012 00:06:31
i dislike steve mcman (spelling) he is so anti utd even with that disgraceful incident that happened to rio, mcman said, "he should not have gone there in front of the home fans doing his fist pumping"
cant stand the guy espn south easst asia need new experts.
what a win newayz

vishu red devil

Yeah Steve McManaman is a typical Scouser hating on anything Man United... As a pundit he should be unbiased but he is a top notch doughnut.

Im not saying he was right but you have to remember that he was involved with the city backroom/board for a while. He was always likely to side with the club as any United ambassador would do for us.

TK-Red

Right wat he said though, shouldn't have been celebrating in front of the home fans. Doesn't dispute the fans behaviour but Rio should take a look at his as well.

There's siding with the club, and then there's being an apologist for scum.

StevieK

That's Steve Mcmohan and he is a scouser. He is really biased. He even had a problem with fergie saying midweek that Valencia has no chance playing in the derby and then playing him.. He thought shelvey send off on utd-pool game wasn't even a yellow card... And a lot of such rubbish that we hv to bear. Don't know why Espn south east asia persists with him.

Another one is Jamie reeves.. Absolutely no CV.. Played in non professional league in england and then in Singapore.. Even he is a bit anti-utd but doesn't go too far like mr Mcmohan.. But we want to hear more tactical stuff..

If this forum has espn's eyes/ears, please be unbiased and have more tactical discussion on the games...

TK, a Manchester United ambassador would never have defended United fans if they acted in the same manner. All Rio did was celebrate with his own fans. it's not like he celebrated in front of the away fans. McMananamanamanam was always going to turn out bitter as just like Michael Owen he is loved by no fans. All he has is the hatred of Manchester United.

Sydney!

Syd, That TV guy is not McManaman, he is Steve McMohan.. played for pool in late 80s..

10 Dec 2012 11:15:18
lol syd doent even remember steve mcmaom (spelling) that says it all about hin meed new experts at epsn south east asia &i wonder why paul parker keeps mum shuld giv it bck to mr mcmaon