Manchester United Banter Archive December 10 2017

 

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10 Dec 2017 22:50:51
The irony of us gifting two goals from set pieces is laughable. All I want to see is passion and determination from the players. It was a derby for Christ’s sake against our neighbours and title rivals. The players should have been harrying and pressuring city not giving them a moments rest. But instead we sat off and allowed them to play. We showed them so much respect and it is bitterly disappointing. The crowd played their part in creating a supportive atmosphere and the players and manager let us down today. What I saw today was not in keeping with the traditions of the club I love. City played the way we used to - with pace, creativity and passion. I have been Jose’s biggest supporter but today showed me that although we may win the league with him at some point, we will not do it in the United way. And that is not good enough for our great club. City have a long term plan and they are a club on the up. We have bought badly and our owners care about money. I would even say city are favourites for the champions league. What I saw today is one manager that lives and breathes a creative and beautiful brand of football. And I saw another that is happy to sit back and ‘hope’ for a mistake. That is the difference between the two sides. One manager see the beauty of the game whilst another see it in a more pragmatic way. We do not have bad players we have some fantastic skilful young players. If rashford and martial were playing under pep they would be flourishing like sterling and sane. It’s painful to admit but they have a manager who we should have signed after Fergie.

Where is our ambition? Where is the united of old? It died the day Fergie left. The club needs to take a hard look at itself if we want to get back to the top. We must invest in January and we must back the manager in the summer. I am sure after a few days I will be able to be less emotional and more objective of the situation. We must take each game as t comes and keep on winning. And then we must pray that our rivals do us a favour. Because that is what it will take for us to even have a chance.

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11 Dec 2017 06:08:24
I think that's a bit of an over reaction bud. Guardiola is no messiah and he has spent over 600 million pounds on a squad that was better than our when he arrived. We can't be great one week and and dog sh. t the next based on one result. sometimes in football the ball bounces right for you and that is the difference of a win lose or draw.

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11 Dec 2017 07:35:01
Park

Aims and ambitions. City want to have the best football team in Europe and dominate, become the English version of Barca, money is no object. Utd’s want to be the most valued brand with the asset value in mind, goals (financial) can be achieved by getting in the Champions League each year. Fundamentally that is the issue and arguments over managers, players and style are driven by that.

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11 Dec 2017 07:35:36
X Files - You are right, Pep is no bloody messiah, he spent outrageous amounts of money and got the players who fit in his system.

I think Mou was really brave with the line-up, I didn't think for a second before the line-up came that we will play with Rashford, Lukaku and Martial together with just Herrera and Matic playing in the middle, with Lingard roaming free.

From the first minute, the only thing that really pissed me off was that United weren't really going for the press on the city players, and I don't mean press the defence, but allowing De Bruyne and Silva 10-15 yards to run with the ball is just not acceptable. And they aren't running sideways, but they are running towards your goal. Heckle, them for Christ's sake.

Then, Rojo and Young hoofing the ball upfield towards Lukaku is just making him run for no reason. If they did want to play the long balls, then at least ping them behind the full backs, that's where the space is (coz of City's high press), no point pinging it in the middle because the defence will just sort it out.

Sometimes, during the game, I felt that United players are just scared of the ball or getting the ball to their feet and playing through the press. All you need is a bit of movement from the people around you and the press can be countered, instead, those players would receive a pass, and then boom! upfield it went.

City didn't carve us open the way people expected them to, they got two goals which on any other day, given the way United defend, would not have been goals. Yes, they had more of the ball, but that was expected from them and Mou doesn't play a possession-based game. So that's fine.

I think because we gave city so much space in front of us, our intensity suffered and we just weren't good enough on the counter and we always looked a little concerned with the press.

Lukaku should have scored that one and then Mata could have converted that, but that was some save by Ederson and I doubt he knew much about it. But, when you are the number 9 in the team, you are expected to bury those chances.

Pogba was a big miss, I remember him turning koscielny inside out for United's third goal last weekend and when he got the red card, the first thought that I had was, that we don't have players who can do that. Pogba would have made a big difference in the middle of the park, at least he wouldn't have allowed Silva and De Bruyne to run with the ball and City would have been vary of him on the break. But that ifs and buts and those will always be the case.

I think the title race is still on, maybe we have an outside chance of catching them (this is the fanboy in me talking, not the realistic one) but we really have to up our intensity and make teams believe that they aren't playing have-beens, we still are MANCHESTER F***ING UNITED and I would them players to realise this.


On a side note, make them watch the movie United, let them feel what it really means to be playing for one of the most successful club's in the world.

Come on Bournemouth, let's have you!

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11 Dec 2017 09:47:00
I have to laugh at people moaning about City spending ridiculous sums of money. Did we get all ours on free's? The difference is, their manager knew exactly who he wanted, and in what position, and they spent what was needed to get them. United fans whingeing about another team spending money, dearie me.

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11 Dec 2017 10:02:55
99
On the money there pal.

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11 Dec 2017 11:17:56
Agree with that nou. Not as if we haven’t spent a huge amount either. We haven’t invested well enough. Lukaku was a poor signing and yes he may score get 20 goals this year. But he hasn’t done it in any of the big games. I saw a stat this morning that van persie scored 7 goals against the so called top 6 rivals. Lukaku has 0 in 5 games. If we want to win the league we have to be beating the big boys and not hoping to scrape a lucky goal on the break. The number 9 at united has to stand up and show that they are big enough to be there. Van persie did that. Lukaku has not and I do not think he has the personality to be our main man.

Going onto Jose. I actually think he has done a good job to get us to where we are at the moment. The improvement has been massive and we are a different team from the van gaal days. And pep inherited a better squad than Jose. But the style of football is not good enough. At least go for t and show some passion and have a go at teams. We looked scared yesterday and couldn’t string 4 passes together. That is not good enough for our club.

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11 Dec 2017 12:50:07
Stevie,

By no means was I moaning about the money spent by City. Of course, we've spent an absurd amount of money as well, whether we were forced or whether Mr. Woodward wanted to spend that money is debatable. I just agree with the above post with regards to the fact that, Pep inherited a better City squad than us, a squad that even in Pelligrini's time was able to play those quick passes and now, with Pep, they are able to press opponents as well.

Our squad lost their identity and even now, we don't really know who we are. Are we the counter attacking specialist? No, are we kinds to park the bus, not too sure. Are we the ones who play free flowing football and strike fear into the minds of the opponents? Again, no clear answer.

We need to start playing with a direction, we need to counter the way the other team plays, not become defensive. We need to have a plan, an execution, not a knee-jerk reaction to how the other team is playing.

Again, sorry if I came across as a whining United fan, crying about the money, but I wasn't, I was simply trying to make sense of what I saw.

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11 Dec 2017 16:01:54
Stevie

Never said we got our free and do you know for a fact that Jose is done with what he wants or maybe there are 3 or 4 players he would like to add but has some limitations where city and good old pep no matter where he goes seems to have an endless purse to spend.

I will take mourinho over pep personally and wait and allow the man to build the team he wants and then let's see who wins what.

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11 Dec 2017 20:59:40
I was exaggerating to make a point :)

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10 Dec 2017 21:43:33
What a cowardly display. From the 5th minute Young and Rojo hitting long ball after long ball, even Rashford 15 minutes into the game edge of own area just hoofing it up to Lukaku.

Good players can't be happy playing like that, frightened to death to have the ball for more than 3 passes -that was a gutless display, if JM thinks that's good enough then he's at the wrong club.

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10 Dec 2017 21:55:45
Lukaku wow not good today didn't win a header . I know he had little support but hold up play until it arrives worst game in a Utd shirt. Sorry 😆😆.

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10 Dec 2017 22:07:27
Sadly can't argue with that Boyfromburrenway.

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10 Dec 2017 22:16:02
Credit where it’s due, City were just better today. The work they do on the rare occasions they don’t have the ball is very impressive indeed. Harassed us, penned us in and forced the long ball tactics. Pep played us perfectly.

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10 Dec 2017 23:26:09
Surely we need to start getting some real footballers in midfield in the kroos mould and try to gain a foothold against the better teams as we can barely string a few passes together and have next to no game control or possession against the better sides . We had a good start against arsenal but much of the game was like the last stand at the Alamo with the goalie performing heroics and today at home again unable to seize any kind of control .

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11 Dec 2017 06:09:46
Agree for a big centre forward he is poor in terms of winning much in the air and most times does not even jump. Ottamendi had his number all day.

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10 Dec 2017 21:10:00
Blaming everyone from the owners to the cleaning staff and the dinner lady, is a very convenient way of deflecting attention away from a manager who, with a win needed to close the gap on the leaders, sets us up try and soak up all that the best attacking unit in the league has to throw at us for 90 minutes, whilst hoping for a set piece, or a lucky knock on at the other end as the result of countless, aimless long balls up to the big man.

I'm sorry, but if Pulis or Big Sam sent a team out with those instructions, everyone, including us, would rightly be slating them. Why does José, after spending what he has, get a bye ball in this regard? He's now had two seasons to come up with something more sophisticated than lump it up to the big man.

The difference between the ideas and ambitions of the two managers, was laid out there bare, for all to see today.

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10 Dec 2017 21:49:43
Ive been one of Jose biggest supporter's but even I have to agree Noucamp, I think he got it wrong today! He reverted to type after two promising away performances at Watford and Arsenal! Maybe it's just a bit raw so soon after the game but I thought we were pretty dreadful! It almost feels as though the season is over before it's even began which I know is stupid. We're still in a fight for top 4 I wouldn't take that for granted either!

Another big game disappointment!

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10 Dec 2017 21:50:47
We need a plan and we need to stick with it. I like the 343 and think it could work well long-term, with variations depending on opponent of course.

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10 Dec 2017 21:34:37
100% correct. We can't expect to reignite the glory if we play like a damp squib. Out with the bus in with the Ferrari.j

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10 Dec 2017 22:40:47
Danny, I've never liked the man, but I could see the need to bring him in, especially after the LVG years of anti-football. And once he's here, I'll back him. But that was pitiful today. On a par with the Liverpool game, bearing in mind we were at home today.

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10 Dec 2017 22:45:54
Beast
Who would you get to manage us.

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10 Dec 2017 22:52:24
I don't want to get rid of him, jred. Like you said, we're not sitting mid-table. It just doesn't feel like a comfortable fit, for the club or for him. Just how I feel about it.

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10 Dec 2017 23:03:53
99
Like I said to beast tho pal, who else is there, I'm really not sure.

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10 Dec 2017 23:28:06
That's why MU need a plan Jred, start targeting certain players in the youth structure, play a certain way and formation. Start buying certain players for the first team. Start playing a certain way, then you bring in managers who fit the style of play, not bring in a manager to change everything to play the new manager's style.

Doesn't matter who coaches the Barcelona side, they'll always adopt the same style of play. It's taught the same way in La Masia. It's a philosophy. MU need an infrastructure bigger than a manager.

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10 Dec 2017 23:30:56
Who's managing Barcelona's B Team just now? 😀.

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10 Dec 2017 23:52:08
Monaco manager said it numerous times mate. We need a young attack minded manager, all these "Winners" have had their day, the young guns have studied them, and improved on their mistakes. Give the Monaco manager £150m and we will have us playing like the Utd of Old. As you get older you get more defensive, even happened to SAF.

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11 Dec 2017 08:49:34
The Monaco manager? Who has won a grand total of one league title in Greece and 1 in France.

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11 Dec 2017 08:52:30
Syd
You mean like we did we lvg?
Fans didn't like it pal so we went down the same road as everyone else, get a top manager and give him lots of cash.
Also have a read up of what butt is doing with the youth team.

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10 Dec 2017 20:59:18
I've been with Jose all the way since his appointment but even I can't defend that insipid, ponderous, dare I saw cowedly performance!

As soon as I laid eyes on the team it filled me with a sense of foreboding and Deja vu. We've seen this before and it's never worked. Have no doubts this was a defensive, negative lineup!

Martial and Rashford were always going to play as auxiliary full backs. Lingard was thrust into a No 10 role in which he's never excelled, Lukaku was always going to cut an isolated figure up front. Matic and Herrera outnumber in midfield.

A more accurate description of our formation should have read 6-2-1-1.

Rashford and Martial are both CF's! Neither are adept at playing so deep. It's square pegs in round holes. It's obvious that when two of your most attacking players are so deep it's almost impossible to get out, especially against a team like City. When Rashford or Martial get the ball deep in their own half what on earth are they supposed to do with it?

We'd played some exhilarating football at Watford and Arsenal, with Young and Valencia providing the width and Martial allowed to play in support of Lukaku. He's brilliant in the final third with the ball at his feet! When he drifts to the left and runs with the ball he's such a threat. With Lingard running from deep and Lukaku in the box we're a different animal.

The best formation for the players we have in our squad is 3-5-2! We don't need to play that every week but in the big games it simply gets our best players in their most effective positions. Arsenal was the blueprint yet he retreated and reverted to type. I don't care what anybody says we were beaten as soon as the teams were announced.

City won that game in third gear. The irony being we gifted them two goals from set pieces. Huddersfield, Southampton and West Ham gave them more of a game than we did!

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10 Dec 2017 21:39:44
Well said Danny can’t argue with that.

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10 Dec 2017 21:48:29
I was hoping Jose would play the same formation as he did against Watford and Arsenal. I like it. I hope we play it against Bournemouth. I suspected he'd chicken out like he did against Liverpool. Never mind. We have to look forward to the next game now.

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10 Dec 2017 22:05:55
I was so so disappointed with today Park. Not just the result but the manner of defeat. I thought we'd a least give them a game but they just coasted through in third gear. We hardly made a tackle, stood off them and simply let them play. We couldn't counter as we we're so deep and I lost count of the number of times Rojo just punted it forward. Ironically our goal came from another one of his hopeful balls. Surely there's more to our team than hoping for a mistake or a set piece? In another of the games ironies they won the game in a way that everybody thought we would. It was supposed to be them that couldn't defend set pieces. Having said that when you can't even manage to string two passes together in the opposition half it's hard to get on set pieces in decent positions in the first place. Sadly we got what we deserved!

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10 Dec 2017 22:27:10
Beat by the better team today.

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10 Dec 2017 22:38:53
Agree completely Danny. The irony of us gifting two goals from set pieces is laughable. All I want to see is passion and determination from the players. It was a derby for Christ’s sake against our neighbours and title rivals. The players should have been harrying and pressuring city not giving them a moments rest. But instead we sat off and allowed them to play. We showed them so much respect and it is bitterly disappointing. The crowd played their part in creating a supportive atmosphere and the players and manager let us down today. What I saw today was not in keeping with the traditions of the club I love. City played the way we used to - with pace, creativity and passion. I have been Jose’s biggest supporter but today showed me that although we may win the league with him at some point, we will not do it in the United way. And that is not good enough for our great club. City have a long term plan and they are a club on the up. We have bought badly and our owners care about money. I would even say city are favourites for the champions league. What I saw today is one manager that lives and breathes a creative and beautiful brand of football. And I saw another that is happy to sit back and ‘hope’ for a mistake. That is the difference between the two sides. One manager see the beauty of the game whilst another see it in a more pragmatic way. We do not have bad players we have some fantastic skilful young players. If rashford and martial were playing under pep they would be flourishing like sterling and sane. It’s painful to admit but they have a manager who we should have signed after Fergie.

Where is our ambition? Where is the united of old? It died the day Fergie left. The club needs to take a hard look at itself if we want to get back to the top. We must invest in January and we must back the manager in the summer. I am sure after a few days I will be able to be less emotional and more objective of the situation. We must take each game as t comes and keep on winning. And then we must pray that our rivals do us a favour. Because that is what it will take for us to even have a chance.

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10 Dec 2017 20:13:06
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10 Dec 2017 20:26:05
Looks good I will try and get down to watch.

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10 Dec 2017 20:33:49
I could make a guest appearance myself, jred if I see you there I'll buy you an ice cream.

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10 Dec 2017 20:34:46
Are you wearing your posters names on the back of your shirts.

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{Ed001's Note - are you offering to pay for the printing costs? Only we need a sponsor with deep pockets to get Ed002's team name on the front!}

10 Dec 2017 20:38:28
Maybe sort something out nearer the time.

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10 Dec 2017 20:51:46
Ed I will help out in any way I can, now my pockets aren't as deep as kens.

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10 Dec 2017 23:17:43
Anyone else play much 11 a side?

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10 Dec 2017 23:18:56
Just make sure Ken shirt says, Ken the Irish pirlo.

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10 Dec 2017 20:06:05
ken you best get in training - you will be leading the high pressing game for my midfield.

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10 Dec 2017 20:11:44
Haha ken I'm going to have to go on 2 or 3 diets 😂.

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{Ed001's Note - what are you doing on here? You should be out for a run with a big sack on your back, ready for when you have to carry ken for 90 minutes...}

10 Dec 2017 20:17:52
Hahaha I'll be fine I'm in peak physical condition 😏.

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{Ed001's Note - you will be once you have finished the 6 month training program I have set up for you. Even Verheijen won't be able to pick holes in it. You will need to take the next 6 months off work but I am sure your boss will understand.}

10 Dec 2017 20:44:50
Deano we will be fine you know the story its always the managers fault when we lose and the players excellence amen we win. I must say it will be an honour and privilege to play under a soccer legend In the form of 001.
And I can tell you nobody will be carrying me. Well not unless they have a big crane😂.

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{Ed001's Note - that's why Deano has a lot of training ahead of him! You should know by now after a season and a bit of Jose, it is never the manager's fault if you lose. It is always the officials, the weather, injuries etc that cost us our well deserved victory.}

10 Dec 2017 20:49:41
Some things are more important than work ed 😉 I'm warming up as we speak. A pie in the microwave.

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{Ed001's Note - so long as it has gravy in it then all's good. Gravy is an essential part of a balanced diet and should be eaten with every meal, especially porridge.}

10 Dec 2017 21:06:31
I'm washing the pie down with a pint of gravy ed 😁 we will be sound ken one I've lost this 40 stone and you've found a way to get younger we will be all set 😂😂.

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{Ed001's Note - ken's experience will be vital. He must have plenty of experience at his age.}

10 Dec 2017 21:49:46
I can't be the only one thinking.

Is Ed002 going to be there?!?!

Is he/ she even human? Votes below!

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{Ed002's Note - Traditionally I spend June in California but I have some stuff going on in the New Year which will see me move house in England at some point in the coming months. That will be the driver for June. If I am in England I will make every effort to be there. Else my instructions will be provided to one of my assistant managers, or possibly to my Director of Football, to relay them to the soccerball team. I am going to see if it would be possible to get a video stream going on. Biggest problem right now is finding a nice floral print kit.}

10 Dec 2017 22:17:24
ed002, I don't mind playing in a floral kit as long as you supply it :)
Cheapest kits i can get is 14 for £99, they are on clearance, meaning we would have about 2 mediums, 12 xxl, but by reading some comments, that might be perfect for ed001s team ;)
anyways you have my email if you are serious about helping out with the video stream, the ground we are using has a nice platform for where they video their games.
#Ed2sFloralArmy.

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{Ed002's Note - I will be providing the kit for the side Benny. I will need to get sizes sorted out. My PA will look into it - probably in the New Year.}

10 Dec 2017 23:16:32
Ed your taking too many lessons from jose. don't be slagging your own players off in public save that for 002's flower power or whatever they call themselves.
Deano get yourself in shape. You will need it to chase some of my passes.

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{Ed002's Note - We are called, as everyone had already guessed, The Walham Green East Wapping, Carpet Cleaning Rodent and Boggit Exterminating Association Academicals.}

11 Dec 2017 09:05:23
I'm already in shape ken it just so happens that shape is spherical 😂.

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10 Dec 2017 19:30:33
We lost to the better team today but this has been obvious over the last 10 years whilst loading debt on the club and ignoring the best players, pretending there is no value. Today only shows City had a plan, a structure, from the infrastructure, the manager, the whole club whilst from the top we haven't an obvious plan.

We lost but sit back and realise the reality is Ronaldo's replacement plays right back. Let that sink in. Would Madrid accept that? We need a structural improvement not just buying better players.

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10 Dec 2017 19:44:11
I think it's more a case city have pep .
It's not like they have dominated Europe or the EPL for 10 years is it .

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10 Dec 2017 19:57:24
Jred, giant all about pep. They have a few handy players as well.

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10 Dec 2017 19:59:03
Two scrappy goals and a wonder save from their keeper. I'm not quite ready to give up of the club yet. Nice story though Red Man.

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10 Dec 2017 20:00:44
Today showed they have a structure and a plan? Just showed me that they know how to win ugly, go down and fake injury and foul when the opposition get the ball.

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10 Dec 2017 19:50:58
And our left back was a right winger.
Our midfield consists of pogba fellaini matic Herrera and Carrick. Are we serious in thinking we could win the league with this midfield?
Our wingers are central attackers playing out of position.
Our two attackers are big and cumbersome with no flexibility. We've been crying for a creative midfielder, a left winger, a left back and a striker of Dybala's type. But we didn't buy a left back or left winger and we didn't buy a creative midfielder. And we chose to bring ibrahimovich back instead of getting a quick and tricky attacker to supplement and take over when tactics require them.
I think most fans and commentators can see the deficiencies. But we seem to struggle as a club to recruit THE BEST. It is sad. Unfortunately, money talks and city, psg are throwing money at the best players and they seem to get them.

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10 Dec 2017 19:51:18
Jred

They have a plan to get to domination, it’s in play now, whilst we just plan to increase the club’s asset value. They worked their way to where they are now, it isn’t just a case of they have Pep. They worked on that for years to put themselves in a position where he would go there whilst we let the Ferguson era drift to a Busby like end. Do not say no one saw it because I said it on here well before.

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10 Dec 2017 19:57:24
Jred, giant all about pep. They have a few handy players as well.

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10 Dec 2017 19:59:03
Two scrappy goals and a wonder save from their keeper. I'm not quite ready to give up of the club yet. Nice story though Red Man.

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10 Dec 2017 20:00:44
Today showed they have a structure and a plan? Just showed me that they know how to win ugly, go down and fake injury and foul when the opposition get the ball.

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10 Dec 2017 20:08:52
City did have a plan. They planned to turn City into Barcelona five years ago and they are close. First they brought in ex-Barcelona coaches, then focused on La Masia, then targeted young Spaniards. They wanted Pep and got him. They have had a plan for a long time and it's coming to fruition now. United also need a plan. We need to decide the route we are going in and stick by it. Until we have a plan in place we will jump from manager to manager and each will want their own style. Pep didn't want a certain style, City wanted Pep who they know play a certain style. Bobby Charlton was against Jose becoming manager because of his negative tactics and his avoidance in promoting youth. Jose was no doubt brought in to fix Manchester United and yes it's working, but we need a plan bigger than the manager, we need a long-term plan like City. If Pep left City would bring in a coach who plays the same style, that's the point. City brought Pep in because he is part of the jigsaw.

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10 Dec 2017 20:11:55
Redman
There 10 year plan for dominance wasn't going very well until they got pep .

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10 Dec 2017 20:13:56
Attack
A yet here we are 2nd in the league ahead of every other team bar city ( half of which you keep going on about how grat they are ) and have made one of our best ever starts to a season .

City and pep have raised the bar this year but United are doing well.

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10 Dec 2017 20:19:18
GDS2

The better team won today but surely you can see they have a clear plan for dominating at home and in Europe whilst we shuffle around hoping for a good transfer window. They improve their infrastructure whilst we don’t. It’s not the result but the direction of our club and I wish people would wake up and see what the owners are doing. City owners want to dominate football, ours seem to want to dominate the asset value league.

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10 Dec 2017 20:23:24
Sydney

Totally agree.

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10 Dec 2017 20:27:32
You would think we are mid table.

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10 Dec 2017 20:36:54
The plan should have started whilst SAF was in charge. It's been a shambles since the rumours of SAF leaving. Poor planning, mistake after mistake. It was obvious he was going to be huge shoes to fill, we should have planned things better. We are only just getting out of that mistake now. We should (IMO) have had a top manager work beside SAF for a season or two then SAF step down. Doesn't matter now as it's done with, however we still need a plan going forward, although I cannot see it happening as MU are simply a business to the owners, a business they will soon cash in on.

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10 Dec 2017 20:37:49
Where city really that good before pep.
Was this amazing plan really working?

2 league titles in 50 years
0 European cups . What's the furthest they have ever got
1 fa cup in 49 year .
Look the real deal in the league under pep tho just like the last 2 teams he manages.

Been very good the first few month of the season tho.

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10 Dec 2017 20:41:45
Jred - We aren't talking about this season. Or how well or bad we are doing. We are talking about the club's future. AJH said recently about the tables have turned, well we need to turn them back. We cannot keep living in the moment, a season by season strategy, we need to plan our future. What we want from our club long-term. Chelsea did it, City doing it. Germany national side after England 5.1 thrashing. You need to have a long-term plan and stick by it. It's sensible. But with the Glazers not interested in the long-term, they aren't going to bring people in with such a plan.

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10 Dec 2017 20:46:56
Jred, "2league titles in 50 years"

The plan has been since they hired the ex-Barca coaches. Not 50 years ago.

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10 Dec 2017 20:53:08
Yes the plan began after Roberto Mancini. So four years ago. They wanted to become like Barcelona, I remember the editor saying it at the time. And they went for Pellegrini, but wanted Pep when he became available. So they've been working on this for 4-5 years. It's starting to work now. Pep even said after the game that people said the Barcelona approach cannot work in the EPL, well it can. Something along them lines.

I guess Red Man is saying it's time for us to have a long-term plan too, I tend to agree. Although I don't see it being implemented as the Glazers aren't here long-term.

I am also very happy with the way our season is going. It's not about how we are doing this season, try not to connect the two.

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10 Dec 2017 20:55:48
It broke my heart today watching them lift the prem trophy/ champions league/ fa cup. oh hold on it's Dec that can't be right!

They may well win the title and deservedly so but is it necessary to constantly rag our own side mercilessly.

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10 Dec 2017 20:57:53
Jred

You don’t get this. Sydney explains it well. You are thinking short term and not looking at the plan they have which has not come to fruition yet but it is progressing. Where is ours?

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10 Dec 2017 21:09:01
Syd they managed to get the best manager in the world .
And for 3 month have played some of the best football in Europe.
It should be no surprise really because his barce and Munich teams also played a very similar way .
Teams managed by pep tend to play very entertaining football and win things .

United and the glazers went out and got Jose as manager a manager that was rated along side pep has the best in the world .
The result was 2 cups in his first season and ahead of every team in the epl bar city, back in the CL and too of our group .

But people are still sulking .
What if the fact is that maybe pep is a bit special and backed with money he will win more than anyone else.
Probably 7 league titles in 3 different leagues in 9 seasons after this season .

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10 Dec 2017 21:13:36
Red man
I do understand pal I just think it revolves around having the best manager in the world .
A manager that is about to win his 7th title in 9 seasons in 3 different leagues .
Watch city and then watch his Munich or barce teams .
We are seeing the pep show, unfortunately there is only 1 pep .

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10 Dec 2017 21:23:33
You don't get it Jred, it's okay.

It's bigger than Pep. The plan started in 2012 when City appointed Txiki Begiristain and Sorrano who were instrumental in Barcelona's success. Then they offloaded Mancini to start the transformation. They wanted Pep before Munich, they got him afterwards. But the point is the plan is to mirror Barcelona and it's working. It'll also continue after Pep has gone. He's merely a cog in their huge plan. Important one sure, but just a part nonetheless. City's long=term plan is working. The owners wanted them to become like Barcelona and it's working.

No one is sulking, just saying we want a similar long-term plan. It's what all fans should want for their club.

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10 Dec 2017 21:46:26
Syd
And how do you know United haven't got a plan?
We aren't mid table we are second won 2 cups last season, ahead of Chelsea spurs in fact every other team bar city .
What's all the other teams plans? Or is just United that don't have one?

City's plan ? the plan was to get pep a manager who has won 21 trophies in 8 season . Rocket science that .
A manager who's teams play very entertaining footy .

I wonder if city's plan would look so wonderful with out pep?

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10 Dec 2017 21:54:26
Actually I think Pep isn't the world's greatest coach and I think he can be challenged. His Barcelona and Bayern teams dominated in leagues with only 2 other competitive teams. Last year he won nothing. This year his team are playing very well but if Utd Liverpool Arsenal and Spurs take proper steps they will challenge him next year. I think it's true that at the moment long term planning is coming to fruition at City. Do you think Madrid Bayern Barcelona and PSG will just roll over and say help yourself to the Champions League and World domination? No way and nor should we. The other things is that nearly all posters here acknowledge that out team has suffered from years of neglect in signing the best quality players to replace members well past their sell by date. Be objective. We have the world's best keeper in De Gea excellent defenders in Bailly Rojo Lindelof and even Jones when fit. In midfield we have Mastic and Pogba. Upfront we have Rashford and Martial. That's a really strong core of players. If Jose gets a few top players more to fill in the gaps we Will be challenging City.

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10 Dec 2017 21:58:53
Do Barcelona play any different before, during and after Pep?

Barcelona are bigger than Pep. City are bigger than Pep. How did Pep do last season?

City have been planning this all since 2012. That's all we're saying.

United do not have a plan. That's very clear.

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10 Dec 2017 22:06:35
Good post Hendonred. Agree with all of it.

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10 Dec 2017 22:05:31
You don’t get it do you

It’s about more than a manager. Look at their infrastructure improvements, Pep is the manager they wanted as part of the overall plan but he wasn’t the only thing in the plan.

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10 Dec 2017 22:16:01
Syd
The ed Said United did have a plan it was lvg then allgeri, just because No one has told you what it is doesn't mean we don't have one .
How did city's plan do last season?
Peps barce where the best football team I've seen .

And to be honest pep probably is bigger than city he has won far more .
City wanted pep and have wanted him since 2012 and that's there plan . Wow I wonder how many other teams would like pep .

United don't have a plan? Of course they do and the first part of it is Jose.
Your really think a team club brand business as big as United don't have a plan? Lol Ok you just don't get it .

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10 Dec 2017 21:31:55
Jred

Pep is one part of an overall plan. They purposefully recruited him, setting their club up so he was the cherry on top of the icing on the cake. We have put an excellent manager in charge and one I wholeheartedly support, yet he does not seem to have the infrastructure around him that Pep does, so has a lot more difficult task. A plan isn’t just about the manager.

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10 Dec 2017 22:32:31
Redman
Suck it up city have cash .
They are the 1 team above us in the league .
Pep is probably showing he is a better manager than Jose.

Other teams are allowed to do well .

Poor Man United will just have to make do with what little we have .

Im sure all the other fans out there will feel sorry for us in this difficult time .

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10 Dec 2017 22:33:45
Could any of this be down to the fact that pep is doing a better job than Jose?

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10 Dec 2017 22:44:15
Jose hasn't got the correct infrastructure around him?
So that's why we got beat today .

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10 Dec 2017 23:07:46
Forget it Jred, you're going waaaaay off topic. Red Man is simply stating City's long-term plan to become like Barcelona is finally coming to fruition and that we need a similar approach. I think it's a fair point which I thoroughly agree with. It isn't a criticism of how we are doing this season, more of an acknowledgement of how far City have come under owners willing to see their club succeed on the field, not just succeed and grow as an asset.

I know City's owners are using the club as a hobby and the Glazers are merely in it for financial gain, but Red Man believes that we should have a plan too. Start thinking about the long-term future. That is fair and City have proven that it's possible. Barcelona proved it before them. We just want a plan Jred that's all. Again that's not a criticism of how we are doing this season. More acknowledgement of how well it's worked for our neighbours.

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10 Dec 2017 23:19:28
I keep hearing about these plans. In the here and now, surely the manager should have one as well. Is that not what José was going to bring to the table?

And I mean another one besides humping it up to the big man and hoping for a knock on.

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10 Dec 2017 23:19:34
"Syd
The ed Said United did have a plan it was lvg then allgeri, just because No one has told you what it is doesn't mean we don't have one"

That's not a long-term plan. That's deciding they want Allegri to replace LvG. And then we get Jose. This is the point Jred. There is no plan at MU. We aren't talking about manager. We're talking about infrastructure etc. We will go manager to manager playing the way whatever that manager plays like. City have a way already and have the best manager to play that way. when Pep goes they will still have the same style of football, just a different coach. Pep is just the coach, the rest is controlled by the infrastructure. When Jose goes we'll need to start again and play a different brand of football.

Again, this subject is NOTHING to do with today's game or even this season. You don't seem to grasp that.

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10 Dec 2017 23:28:40
Hendon, I think we've as many good players as City. KDB, Aguero, and Silva are class acts, but so are Pogba, DDG and Matic. The rest are pretty much like for like Imo. The difference is, Pep is improving the likes of Sterling, Stones, even KDB looks better this season. Meanwhile, Miki, Herrera, Rash and Martial to a degree, have either stalled or regressed. How many players, apart from maybe Young, has José improved? They even play a midfielder at left back, and apart from a slip today, hasn't put a foot wrong.

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10 Dec 2017 23:29:57
We were an amazing double sane away groom a draw and 2 stupid mistakes cost us. Just like they did arsenal last week. Ddg was a lot busier last week. Apart from rom nobody had a terrible game our squad is thin I midfield and without pogba we lack creativity.
I dint think there is much chance of them surrendering their lead but we are in 3 cups and have a huge tight league campaign ahead of us lots to look forward to imo.

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10 Dec 2017 23:40:47
Jred. Redman and Sydney and myself are trying to explain that city and their owners came in, changed things and invested heavily in the infrastructure and the right personnel to get where they are today. It is about to reap dividends. Make no mistake about that. I don't harp on about all other teams being better than us, I harp on about city being better than us. 11 points better on 10th of December.
25% possession playing at home is shocking to say the least. They outplayed us in every department.
Don't know about you, but I couldn't give a toss about being better than the rest of the league apart from city. We need to be top of the league not second.
What has United's plan been? Bring in moyes? A man who was ill prepared for the job. Then rush into appointing lvg when he clearly was beyond his peak. Then appoint Jose when he'd totally cocked up at Chelsea. Some plan that is. Do me a favour.

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{Ed007's Note - Being better than the rest of the league bar City gives Utd CL footbal though and that's important on a lot of levels to Utd.}

10 Dec 2017 23:45:16
We must beat Bournemouth to get back to winning ways. We must secure top three this season, then concentrate on our cup runs. Then get the players we need for the areas we are lacking. It's much more encouraging this season and I know this time next season we will be even closer, I said that before this season kicked off. Felt this season was slightly too soon. Despite today guys I feel we are close to where we were. Chins up and goodnight. We will get back to where we were. Let's just try and enjoy the ride in the meantime.

Goodnight.

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11 Dec 2017 08:57:39
Attack
Lol you have just described life after fergy .
Get use to it boys this is what is Been like for the rest of the league over the last 20 odd year .

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10 Dec 2017 19:18:59
Well done City, deserved win. Hats off, that's the standard we need to get to for next season. They were class without needing to be incredible today but you sensed they had an extra gear in them. Like we used to. No crying, just accept the challenge of surpassing them.

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10 Dec 2017 19:14:50
Hi eds has there been any info on bennys charity match?

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{Ed033's Note - Yes go to the LFC Live Chat to see it live now

10 Dec 2017 18:56:48
Before the doom mongers get on here, I wanted to say a few things.

Man City were always going to have more of the ball today as they will against pretty much any team in football at the moment. However, despite that, they didn't really create a whole lot from open play today. De Gea made a couple of good saves but nothing that he wouldn't routinely do.

We also didn't create much and still could have come away with a draw but for a wonder double save.

Both goals we conceded were poor set piece goals which is not acceptable.

City were better and deserved the win I think, but Jose set up in a way we knew he would and but for two pieces of awful defending from Lukaku we could have nicked this.

SHORT VERSION: It's not all that bad but City are a bit good.

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10 Dec 2017 19:13:32
Get real 12 days. We were truly woeful. i'm sorry to say we will never win the league again with Mourinho in charge. If anybody actually thinks lukaku is fit to wear the red shirt is deluded, I’d rather have Gary birtles upfront than that useless lump.

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10 Dec 2017 19:17:40
25% possession at home is pathetic whichever way you want to cover it up. You need the ball to score. So unless we can improve on our possession, we're not going to win anything.

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10 Dec 2017 19:19:41
Doom monger here.

We did limit the chances City had because we put 99.9% of our focus on doing that. They still had several more chances as well, granted Lukaku missed a sitter, but our goal came out of nowhere. There keeper literally could have been on a deck chair all game (Lukaku would still have hit his face) .

Every Utd fan worth their salt wanted us to take the game to City today, make them defend. When we did attack they looked harried and clumsy but that was only a couple of times. Lost count how many times the ball drifted over of off Lukaku's head back into City's possession.

I'd rather have gone down trying to beat them, than keeping the score close and still getting beat. Walker got booked after a few minutes, how many times did we overlap or apply pressure on him? It was just poor, park the bus and hope for a bit of luck. Well we got that luck with the first goal, but we got exactly what we deserved the other end, because no team with our pedigree should play at home against their rivals with the chief focus not to get beat. We needed 3 points more than they did today, nothings ever going to change whilst we have Jose's negative tactics and teams exist like City that play to win and entertain at the same time.

We shouldn't rely on luck.

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10 Dec 2017 18:47:24
Any one seen the United midfield, been missing for about a month .

Nothing happens in the centre of the park, it's either in there last 3rd our our last 3rd .

The opposing team are up against our back 4 with 2 or 3 passes .

We are behind city but it's hard to be in front of them, they have made the best start to a season in the history of English football .
That's a tough act to follow at the moment .

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10 Dec 2017 19:21:48
Better midfielders required jred. Kroos class midfielders. That's what we need. A left back and left winger and a tricky striker.
If the club are serious then perisic, Sandro or Rose, Kroos or Savic, and most importantly, Dybala is what we need.

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10 Dec 2017 20:06:13
I'm not looking to start a witchhunt but Herrera was poor again, he plays with heart but that'll only get you so far.

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10 Dec 2017 18:47:24
Any one seen the United midfield, been missing for about a month .

Nothing happens in the centre of the park, it's either in there last 3rd our our last 3rd .

The opposing team are up against our back 4 with 2 or 3 passes .

We are behind city but it's hard to be in front of them, they have made the best start to a season in the history of English football .
That's a tough act to follow at the moment .

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10 Dec 2017 18:52:56
Jred our wing play isn't much better,
We need a decent winger, perisic we should have signed. we are further away than we think.

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10 Dec 2017 19:01:01
We are closer than any other team in the league Leahy.
I'm not sure it's another winger we need . Maybe another pep.

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10 Dec 2017 19:07:30
Well when we play counter attacking football we don't play with a midfield. It's simply defend, then attack. There's no middle ground.

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10 Dec 2017 19:15:54
Syd
It's been like that for a month now, nothing happens in the middle of the park we don't control games .
The opposition have a go at our back 4 every time they get the ball .

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10 Dec 2017 19:21:18
Lukkaku a big man upfront, does he need a decent winger, yes, cross the ball. our midfield is absent so we must have a decent winger.
Our tactics are too safe.

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10 Dec 2017 19:23:13
I mentioned perisic before the season started but was told we had Radford and martial. Neither of them are wingers.

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10 Dec 2017 19:30:07
In the big games we play counter therefore Pogba usually joins attack, Matic joins defence. But I agree in the other games we are always outnumbered in the middle. It's almost always Pogba and Matic versus sometimes four opposition midfielders.

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10 Dec 2017 19:42:00
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And if we had off bought perisic he would off been amazing week after week, settled no problem etc etc .

Jesus he might of even got to the standard off miki .
But we didn't and probably won't sign him .

I really don't get the set up in midfield at the minute, teams are up against our back 4 every time they get the ball.
That said can't be to disappointed with the start to the season, the issue is city have raised the bar so high .

Jose has had some very good Chelsea teams fergy some very good United teams, been some great Liverpool teams, none of the started a season as good as city have .

Just to put it in to perspective when United drew against Liverpool that was our best ever start to a season
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I'm not sure things are quite as bad as some would like to make out.

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10 Dec 2017 18:45:03
I can’t hold back the tears as I realise that the balance of power has shifted. If you disagree then you really haven’t been watching over recent years.

Today we were given the run around by our neighbours; we may have huffed and puffed but there was only ever one team likely to win: the most upsetting aspect is that they play the football I want to see whilst we are cumbersome and disjointed. Pep improves Sterling whilst Jose simply slags off those players who do not perform to his standard.

My heart is breaking, disagree all you like but the balance of power has moved, if only we had signed Pep instead of the pragmatic Jose who continually identified conspiracies but who is yet to convince me he is right for out great club.

We may finish 2nd which is am improvement on 6th but to see City playing the free flowing football we are famous for, whilst we labour is a dagger to my heart.

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10 Dec 2017 18:58:42
Sorry tony but i disagree on you complete and utter surrender of utd and our bid to win major honours.

Im not arguing for the sake of it, i generally agree with a lot of your posts but a cannot and will not give up

GGMU.

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10 Dec 2017 19:10:40
Agree AJH - many reasons but there are no excuses.

The people I blame most now are the sychophants that are 100% behind any manager whenever we sign them up no matter how they perform, constantly saying it takes times - every minute it goes on is not only a minute wasted it's a minute we have to catch up on the likes of City. They should always get our support but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to suggest improvements and demand our team doesn't play to simply stop another team.

We have hired 3 managers on the spin that play in a way that is no longer suitable when you have teams that can operate how City do. In Europe there are 7 or 8 others that would give us this kind of run around as well. Nobody should kid themselves that this game was a close 2-1 despite the Lukaku miss, it was fear against a horde. Just like against Arsenal after 20mins.

We may be second, but we are a long way from being the team we hope to see. We have glimpses now and again, but is that enough? Unfortunately for most fans it is, we get what we deserve.

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10 Dec 2017 19:13:12
AJH

When I posted this more than once over the last couple of years people deny it, but City had a plan in place years ago and have worked towards where they are now. We haven’t and it shows.

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10 Dec 2017 19:19:22
Beast i'm not shocked at your post at all.

Infact if we'd have wone by a single goal ud have been upset.

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10 Dec 2017 19:37:04
Agreed in it's entirety with Tony and Beast. The balance has been shifting and has now shifted. I've tried to say this but been shot down. It hurts me to say it. I'm 61 and I haven't seen us struggle against city in this manner. We also struggle against top teams.
Investment in grass roots. Investment in infrastructure. Investment in first team. We can no longer buy second best. We need the best.
But above all, we need a manager who believes in the United traditions. Allowing a visiting team 75% possession is utterly ridiculous and no one can mask this. It's going to take years to repair the damage of underfunding. City and other clubs will not stand still. So it's a big mountain to climb.
But we need to have the desire and faith to do it.
I'm with Tony that the confirmation of what some of us have been talking about is unfortunately the reality.
We can either sit and complain about it or we can change our mindset and try and catch them up. I hope we go for the latter.

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10 Dec 2017 18:38:20
Well lads here we are. Completely and utterly out classed. They came to Old Trafford and made us look very average. The one thing I must say we have failed massivley in recruitment.
I'll explain, we are currently playing with Valencia and young in the full back areas, Whilst they have performed admirably, they're not good enough. City have Walker and when fit mendy, a massive upgrade.
We move into the midfield and I must say they're light years ahead. Pogba is world class, but he wouldn't have made a huge difference there. Our options are Pogba, Matic, Herrera, Fellaini and Carrick. You could maybe bring young mctominay into that list. City brought gundogan off the bench for heavens sake.
Forwards wise we are okay, but the midfield and defence needs a huge improvement of quality.
There's a lot of areas that need addressed and unfortunately it takes a game like that where ( and I hate to say this ) we play someone just a step up in class.
We aren't a million miles of, but we aren't as close as we think I'm aftaid.
Caolán.

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10 Dec 2017 18:59:55
Sorry mate but pogba would have made a MASSIVE difference.

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10 Dec 2017 19:12:03
They even rested Aguero and were missing their first choice left back and CB. They brought on Silva for 2 minutes who would be one of the first names on our team sheet if we had signed him this summer.

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10 Dec 2017 18:35:15
Not good enough at all. Jose got the tactics and team selection horribly wrong. Why change the formation when we looked so comfortable and potent with 3 at the back?! Lukaku is not good enough. We bought the wrong striker and should have shelled out for morata. His first touch is woeful and his hold up play is non existent. Young, although in great form, was shown today for what he is - a makeshift left back. In midfield we can’t string two passes together without pogba. It is ridiculous how poor we are without him.

I didn’t think City were great today and we let them play. We showed them way too much respect and it was embarrassing on the first half with their fans taunting us. I’m not sure where we go from here but I think certain players need a spell on the sideline. Lindelof was brilliant when he came on and his passing range is fantastic. He really added to us going forward and we were better in the second half. I hate this feeling losing to a rival and after a really good last few weeks I was so looking forward to this game.

Going forward, I would happily give Lukaku a rest and play either rashford or martial instead. Get Lindelof and Bailly paired together and give shaw a run of games as he will only get better with confidence and consistency. With pogba out for a couple of more games, I would bring in Fellaini when he’s fit as Herrera offers nothing going forward. We just have to carry on winning and hope city slip up. Over to spurs next week to give us a hand. Bitterly disappointed but we played into their hands and that is what makes it even more infuriating.

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10 Dec 2017 17:54:04
What isn't Lakaku doing? That's the one against Arsenal which was brilliantly saved and now today, he gifted City both there goals! Only consolation is they gifted us one back.

I'm guna watch the rest of the game now I'm the hope we can pull this back, however I'd like to get it on record that never have I and neither do I think now that Lukaku is good enough for our team. I only hope he proves me wrong but I've been saying for months to my mates that I'm really not convinced by him.

Any way, here's to hoping we can get something from this game! Peace out!

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10 Dec 2017 18:27:38
Amen, brother.

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10 Dec 2017 18:35:48
Agree with all of that luke. He’s not good enough.

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10 Dec 2017 18:38:41
So frustrating.

The one or two times we actually try and attack in numbers and we cause mayhem for them. Yet we just resort to camping with isolation for everyone when moving forward because City just need to leave 3 men back and they have 3 on 1.

Our tactics were wrong, the home team allowing City to dominate and then we play long ball heaven because all our midfielders are focused on defending rather than attack, so even if Lukaku does do something useful with a flick on it goes straight to a City player.

I said at the time and I stick to it now Lukaku is not only a massive waste of money he is a major hindrance on other players because he doesn't know how to link or to create space for himself. Most top players can finish given chances, he doesn't even do that at the minute. These were the games he is meant to be making a difference, he sure did that but not how we intended! We lacked any ideas and it was a hard game for me to watch, one manager out to win the other out not to get beat, and we were at home arggh!

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10 Dec 2017 18:46:07
I got annihilated on this site when i said Lukaku isn't good enough for United in the summer, he is just dreadful, nothing good about his game at all, barely won a single header, gifted them two goals, missed a sitter by hitting it straight at Ederson, never ever should have bought him. Disappeared against all the top teams this season, and his touch my oh my.

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10 Dec 2017 18:38:41
So frustrating.

The one or two times we actually try and attack in numbers and we cause mayhem for them. Yet we just resort to camping with isolation for everyone when moving forward because City just need to leave 3 men back and they have 3 on 1.

Our tactics were wrong, the home team allowing City to dominate and then we play long ball heaven because all our midfielders are focused on defending rather than attack, so even if Lukaku does do something useful with a flick on it goes straight to a City player.

I said at the time and I stick to it now Lukaku is not only a massive waste of money he is a major hindrance on other players because he doesn't know how to link or to create space for himself. Most top players can finish given chances, he doesn't even do that at the minute. These were the games he is meant to be making a difference, he sure did that but not how we intended! We lacked any ideas and it was a hard game for me to watch, one manager out to win the other out not to get beat, and we were at home arggh!

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10 Dec 2017 18:46:07
I got annihilated on this site when i said Lukaku isn't good enough for United in the summer, he is just dreadful, nothing good about his game at all, barely won a single header, gifted them two goals, missed a sitter by hitting it straight at Ederson, never ever should have bought him. Disappeared against all the top teams this season, and his touch my oh my.

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10 Dec 2017 15:51:23
Having to work today so going to miss the start of the game - so annoyed! Does anyone know of a site where I can watch an hour later at all? Can’t seem to find anything! Any help would be greatly appreciated. GGMU!

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10 Dec 2017 15:44:12
This is going to be amazing or horrific today

Bold team selection
doesn’t look like a bus is being parked.

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10 Dec 2017 16:12:40
Amazing we hope and hope we can compete in midfield. Shame fellaini is not featuring.
I predicted the Liverpool Everton score and I had our score at 2 all. But i hope we can win convincingly.

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10 Dec 2017 18:45:42
It doesn't matter how many attackers you get on the pitch when all they are going to do is defend.

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10 Dec 2017 18:45:42
It doesn't matter how many attackers you get on the pitch when all they are going to do is defend.

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10 Dec 2017 15:40:23
Jose has indeed gone for a bold team selection, three attackers!
Massive role for Lingard today to supplement the middle as well as making the transitions to attack.
Glad Herrera is playing, feel this could be the game his season really kicks off.
The start is so important, need to get onto their defence, the two centre backs not the quickest.

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10 Dec 2017 16:16:16
Rave, Herrera was brilliant last season but seems out of form this season. Hope he doesn't get himself sent off. If he hits form, then we'll beat City.

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10 Dec 2017 15:16:27
Very very quiey on here this week and more so today.

I cannot wait and i'm now at squeaky bum time 🤣

Come on boys GGMU.

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10 Dec 2017 13:30:45
We need the 3 points today to close the gap on City. I hope we go for it and don’t Si to back and allow City to attack and dictate the game. Come on United!

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10 Dec 2017 15:15:07
Dont care how we win mate as long as we win.

Id take a 1-0 park the bus win over a gret performance with a draw.

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10 Dec 2017 10:28:32
Liverpool Rumours live chat page, 7pm tonight.
Charity Teams will be selected by the managing eds (Ed001 and Ed002).
see you there!

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10 Dec 2017 11:16:55
Home advantage there for ed001.
It's early he is playing mind games 😀.

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10 Dec 2017 11:37:40
Can't wait!

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10 Dec 2017 09:10:12
Anyone say what weather near OT is like? Will game be on?

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10 Dec 2017 10:27:57
Good job it’s at OT as no fans go to the Emptyhad, would be treacherous around that ground.

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10 Dec 2017 11:53:09
Yes WRD let's start the banter.

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Premier League Preview Sunday 10th December 2017

10 Dec 2017 06:14:29
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Premier League Preview Sunday 10th December 2017

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10 Dec 2017 11:55:53
Thanks for the great preview Eds.

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{Ed001's Note - always welcome mate, though if it is a bit incoherent in places my apologies as my comp crashed and corrupted the file, so I had to rewrite it quickly this morning while I was still waking up.}

10 Dec 2017 12:39:44
Never a problem sir. Whatever it comes across as it’s always appreciated. Applause for the Eds team.

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{Ed001's Note - cheers 666, much appreciated.}

10 Dec 2017 13:59:53
Excellent again ed.

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{Ed001's Note - thanks mate.}