Manchester United Banter Archive February 10 2015

10 Feb 2015 22:46:28
Cracking goal and an assist for young Janko tonight. Hope he makes the most of his time at Bolton. Good prospect, if still a little rough round the edges.

11 Feb 2015 09:26:33
He's a very good player that badly needed competitive games. He will be one of the bargains of the decade if he continues his good work.

I agree Syd when i have seen him play he reminds me a lot of Valencia but with a better touch i just hope he keeps progressing and learns how to cross

He's like a young Valencia, but like you said he has much better ball control and has two feet.

I posted on here a couple of years ago that Scholes had raved about Janko, yet it is still a big step he has to take to play in our first team though. Youngsters through the system have to be mentally adept and time will tell, too many fall at the wayside at this point.

10 Feb 2015 21:40:31
Hi Ed002

With the new £5 billion tv deal announced today, do you think that will have any effect on your views on 2017?

Thanks

{Ed002's Note - Of course not - I have explained that is one of the drivers for 2017.}

10 Feb 2015 17:19:14
A draw between liverpool and spurs, west ham beat Southampton and surely we can beat burnley would be nice, I would star Rooney and rvp up top and bring Herrera in to midfield, hope lvg cops himself on now and stop being so stubborn

Don't hold your breath. I am guessing Fellaini will start ad like it or not, Rooney seems confined to midfield.

Ft meant Rooney up front wouldn'tmnd that ajh at least fellan offers somethng when we do go long ball tactic

Maybe Paddy, but it's not an approach I like or enjoy

Unfortunately that's the way its gone Ajh 2008 seems a long time ago know

10 Feb 2015 16:35:46
Reus has signed a contract extension with dortmund

It just means they can get more money for him when they sell him

{Ed007's Note - It was to do with removing a clause from his deal.}

11 Feb 2015 11:46:09
Ed007 do you believe he will still leave? I think the lad bleeds yellow and black and will stick it out for a few more years.

{Ed007's Note - I think he will end up at Madrid or Bayern Munich this summer.}

I think the only way he could have ended up at BM is if he was out of contract like Lewandowski was or he had a buyout clause like Goetze did. Now there's neither I suspect Bayern are out of the running. My money is on Real Madrid.

10 Feb 2015 14:34:24
I see lots of people slating RVP too much . I agree he has not been at his best but for me he has been better than falcao in most of the games . The only game falcao really impressed me with his movement was against Newcastle where they were really poor . RVP may have not scored as much as we like but he atleast has got himself into position where he can score and if not make the goalie work . Falcao on other hand has been wasteful. I remember a lot of game where he had missed many golden chances, like the ones against everton, tottenham and recently against westham . I mean how can a world class striker like him shoot the ball completely off the target when being as near of the goal post as he would like . People keep moaning that he has not got a run of games to prove his standard which is total rubbish . He has played a lot of games now and was worthless in maximum of them and for the goals he has scored all were common goals as non were quality strikes . Further his control of ball has been awful and is loosing ball for too many times. RVP on other hand has not scored much but his movement has been as good as his first season with us . He at least have been making the keeper work . Even against west ham he really took his chances . I would much rather keep Rvp then spend 40m on falcao. He once was the best striker in the world but now he has lost all of it . I really hope he regains his old form and score lots of goals for us in remainder of the season but it is highly unlikely as it is very difficult to recover with such serious injury specially if u are nearing your thirties.
And lastly how Valencia won our january player of the month is out of my mind . He never fails to cross the ball in opponent feet, can't run past defenders, cannot pass the ball (except backwards and sidewards ) and is useless with his left foot .Rafael would have been so superb if not for his injury problem . I really hope McNair takes his chance at RB as he really impressed me against Cambridge United which was first in long time where our right side really looked as a threat . He has all attributes to slot in at our RB. He is strong, tall, can pass, can cross and is not slowest either (not as quick as we would like though)

10 Feb 2015 16:38:25
I think its more the team as a whole aren't finding Falcao in those positions because he definitely does get into them.

09 Feb 2015 23:04:08
Ed002, if you don't mind, I'd like to ask your opinion on the manager situation. Do you personally think LvG will be here come next season?

Ed01 seemed in the mindset that he won't be, or if he was it'd be a surprise so I was interested to hear what you think at the current time.

Thanks!

{Ed002's Note - There is a push from certain parties to replace him. What will actually happen, I don't know.}

Today's press conference is further evidence we need LVG out in the summer. He used the press conference to refute big Sams claims of the long ball tactic, what differ wc does that make to the rest of the season. Shows the ego of the man rather than concentrate on putting the shower if sh*t right, he is trying to deflect any negative comments aimed at his joke philosophy. I honestly think this has been the worst appointment at the club given the money he's thrown around and what he is doing to the squad( ruining highly regarded players, Rooney & Di Maria, Herrera) just hope the board get it right next time

10 Feb 2015 14:29:15
I can see why that is probably the case.

If the manager fails to get a top 4 position I would imagine he would lose his job. That said, if he does manage to get top 4 and win the FA cup, I think that it would be virtually impossible to replace him.

I personally like the manager. I think he will come good. But he has to stop with his tactical antics and play his best players in their best positions.

It would be interesting to know who those parties who want him out are. I have rough idea but it is pure conjecture on my part.

10 Feb 2015 15:01:15
Haha jaime,

Is there anything he could have done at a press conference that would mean you would have posted anything positive? Actually, have you ever posted anything positive or balanced?

If Fergie had done what LVG did people would be saying it was genius putting all the pressure on himself so the press talk about him and not the players, but I think the press have had enough of LVG's jokey press conferences where he gives them nothing, so they will love this one.

10 Feb 2015 15:08:25
Jaime do you have anything positive to say about United? You only ever post on here when it's a dramatic, gloomy, negative post, I'm sorry if supporting this club is a burden for you, must be horrible.

10 Feb 2015 17:27:25
I hope the manager gets it right just to shut up some of you so called fans.

10 Feb 2015 17:28:05
GDS,

I thought it was very well played by the manager.

10 Feb 2015 10:44:17
Come on children settle down. The site has been a bit choppy these last couple of days and I think we are all guilty of going a little overboard.

First off these comments about fans not wanting to watch United and other calling them glory supporters.

Lets not turn on each other and call each other names, we are all civilised humans after all and although we all have different opinions we should respect each other enough not to degrade ourselves by flinging silly names at each other.

Fans and supporters who are from the British isles tend to have the name glory supporter thrown at them a lot by other fans and that makes us edgy over people whom maybe don't show the same kind of unwaivering support we show.

Many like myself support United because i was born into it, it is my extended family. And the suggestion that I only love my family because they are successful is hurtful.

But we need to accept that not everyone is born into the family some are married in, they join at a later date and because they want in at that time. But they can divorce out again if times get tough and they don't want to ride the storm.

We are the biggest family in the world not because of those members who are born in but because of those members who have married in, they come from all over the world and they may never have had the term "glorry supporter" thrown at them. Why would a Texan call a New Yorker a glory supporter because he supports a different english football team to him? He wouldn't the fact we attract these fans is through the success and glory of our on field achievements, so it shouldn't be surprising that they will be the ones who turn their back when things don't go to plan.

But that doesn't make them any less important to us being the global force we are today, all fans born and married into our family are equally important to the future success of the club. Whether we like it or not we live in a commercial world where money is king, it is the fans who generate that money and without them we wouldn't be where we are now. We need those fans, so let's not turn on each other, instead let's do as our name suggests and be UNITED.

We all want the same thing, we may have different ideas of how to get there, or slightly different visions of how we want us to be but we all want to see the continued success of our club our family.

Well said, Shappy

Its quite emotional seeing so many posters picking on each other.

What is more surprising is we all want the same end result its just the way we see things are different to each others thinking.

Its like i want half empty glass and you want half full but we are missing the point that the glass is still going to be half empty no matter how we word it.

Its the same as watching manchester united, we might not be overly impressed by watching the next few games but that won't solve the issue.

We are a big family that's seen lots of success but we need to stick toghether and trust me next year around this time we will all be laughing!.

The thing that urks me the most is people are saying the same thing every week,

its a lose lose situation, we win and we wernt good enough, we lost and we aren't good enough, and then when we draw we ain't good enough.

to much slating and moaning its ridiculas

When the team deserve praise I will be the first to give it. Every week (almost) the team and manager deserve criticism.

Newcastle was the last time I praised us.

10 Feb 2015 12:32:44
Shappy,

I would never suggest anyone is a bigger fan than anyone else based on location or anything like that, my support for the club is something I cherish and I know how I feel about that support but who am I to suggest anybody loves the club more or less than me? I think my comments yesterday all got a bit out of hand, I wasn't even on the site for most of the night, its like I lit a fuse and left, which I didn't mean to do, to be honest I had forgotten I had written the post until I came back on and scrolled down.

I am not turning on anybody and certainly not calling anybody any names, shall we have a big Manchester United group hug, let's all meet at Piccadilly before the game tomorrow night and hug it out, that should be enough time for all the fans from all over the world to get there!

"I am not turning on anybody"

I wouldn't be too sure about that GDS, I went through a whole box of kleenex yesterday and I can tell you now, I don't have a cold.

Actually the people who turn on those fans from outside of Manchester miss the fundamental success of the club is the whole point. United were one of the first clubs to internationalise and widen the brand - something all the chelskis, bitters etc are now trying to catch up with. So the very success of United brings the claim, but it totally misses the point of the forward nature of the club from many years ago

10 Feb 2015 13:33:10
I'm not saying who called who names, let's just put and end to it.

I don't expect everyone to agree, in fact i don't want everyone to. But we can respect each other and treat each other like adults and how we would like to be treated.

Lets put this to bed and move on now, agreed?

I live in Scotland, so live games I see more Hearts, Dundee United than Manchester United. I get down when I can, but this year has been crazy at work.

A lot of us are frustrated at the poor displays and our inability of obdurate refusal to address our glaring weaknesses over the last 5 years or so. Herrera, Shaw, Mata and Di Maria all excellent signings Rojo and Blind look to have a future. Yet still no midfield general.

I'm not going to agree with everyone on here and a lot of you will not agree with me. that's as it should be.

Lets hope the team starts to gel.

10 Feb 2015 13:52:34
Ermm who made you the boss? ;)

Fine by me mate.

What about those of us who watch the games at home GDS? Can we still turn up for the group hug???

10 Feb 2015 16:26:21
Get the train from Wigan mate, it won't take long, more the merrier.

10 Feb 2015 19:49:42
Danny, that post deserved so much more.

10 Feb 2015 22:40:51
Danny,

In my seriousness earlier I glossed over your brilliant joke, just glad I could be of service to someone ;)

10 Feb 2015 00:03:05
Wowzers,

I posted at 5:15 and I haven't been on here since, I come on and my name is mentioned in about 20 new posts!

I was absolutely disgusted by the fact people were suggesting they wouldn't watch the team anymore because we are losing, as a fan of the club that concept is totally alien to me, I feel we have been lucky as hell to support united over the last 20 years, I didn't have a choice, I was told this is who this family supports and that was that and it's been one hell of a ride.

The response to me was a post back at me that said all of my posts are drivel and I shoudnt give my opinion. I post on this website because I enjoy the banter and the discussions with people, me and beast tend not to agree but I have said on many occasions I respect the guy and I'm sure we would have a good laugh down the pub, same with a lot of the other regulars.

I presumed everybody that posted on here whether positive or negative did so because the love the club and because they care, but it appears some people only love the club if they are winning and playing good football, for me that isn't how it works, whether I am right or wrong that is my opinion.

I think the thing that made me laugh the most is that most of my posts today have been quite negative about the game yesterday, I said how bad we played and how there are things that are worrying. Apologies if i get involved too often and on too many posts but i just enjoy having a laugh and discussing with like minded people, it's like a little family on here and I like to give my opinion, pick it apart all you like just don't be offensive because I won't be to you.

Can't wait for Wednesday, hope we get back to winning ways, and hope we score a couple of goals in the first 20 minutes or the ground will be half empty with people walking out ;)

Yes, I think some people are spoilt. In terms of watching, I started in 1968 so have seen the ultimate lows and ultimate highs, I laugh when people say we are playing the worst football ever. They have no idea what the older supporters have watched and have never turned away. I was talking to a city fan the other day and asked how they were going to fill the 6,000 extra seats they were putting in, as they can't fill what they have unless there is a big concert, I asked if it would be by free tickets to local schools perhaps, and are the new seats facing the pitch? He said, no they will fill it with United fans who become fed up with not winning. The thing is he was serious.

I live in the US and had an activity at 11am and wasn't getting home until 1.15 so had to put the game on record. I also had a team tennis match at 2:30. I could have waited until the evening, but as usual was eagerly anticipating the match and decided to try and squeeze it in.

I was truly expecting us to come out like we meant to demonstrate our class. How utterly disappointing was that first half. West Ham won virtually every second ball. Given the short space of time i decided to fast forward through to the second half. Then we conceded a goal and I have to admit I couldn't help myself but sped through the 2nd half too.

Frankly it's almost too painful to watch what's going on at the moment. There's virtually no change from last year. Top players are simply not performing to the standards expected of them. So, if I decide to cut short the misery on occasion, does that mean I'm no longer a supporter even though I've been one since 1962. There is only one team I ever want to win and that's United, but when it comes to watching football, quite frankly there's half a dozen teams in the EPL who play the game more entertainingly than we do. And to my mind it's nothing to do with 4-4-2s, 4-3-3s, or 3-5-2s etc. With a few exceptions the team lacks character, leadership, pride and most importantly, love of the club. Chief culprit to me is RVP. For me he's never looked right in a United shirt. I said so at the time - we should have sold him last summer and kept Welbeck. He's quick and always plays his heart out. He is also young, so has a future. The way things are going we'll be lucky to offload Van Persie now.

Agree shawthing. I have said the same about team character and hunger or total lack of it.
And I agree fully on rvp. In said at the start of season that we needed a top striker and we got falcao. But unfortunately, lvg is not playing the right system and rvp is starting despite zero effort during matches.
I was the staunchest of lvg supporters, but I have to say, my confidence and admiration for him is nil at the moment.
If he doesn't revert Rooney back as striker and if he insists on talking drivel with regards Herrera, then our chances of top 4 are non existent.
Amazing how many analysts, managers say that about our team and yet lvg is the only one who can't see it! His stubbornness could be our downfall.

GDS, I have to confess that I sometimes don't carry on watching our matches but that's not because I'm a rubbish supporter (I've been supporting since late 60's), but it is because I get so nervous watching us at the moment. I'm shouting at the tele most of the time with anger at our ineptness. And I hate the way we get run over by other teams, even the lesser teams are having a field day. I don't mind being beaten by skill, but losing out due to lack of character, hard work, aggression, passion, now that's a cardinal sin and should never be the case with any United team.
My wife says thinks I've lost my marbles as I'm talking to the tele all the time now, I think sometimes, it is better to switch it off as the alternative will be to smash the thing to pieces when I'm watching the rubbish we're playing!!

10 Feb 2015 09:59:04
I am unsure how you can say the chances of top 4 are non existent when we are playing that exact way now and have been in the top 4 for as long as I can remember.

I do agree with a lot of what you are saying but I can't agree with that. I actually think if we were playing the right system with the players we have we could be up in 2nd place and not far behind Chelsea, the performances have not been great but the results actually have been, draws at Spurs, Stoke and West Ham and wins at Southampton and Arsenal are actually great form results wise, despite playing terribly in 4 and a half of them 5 games.

Would be a sad world if we all agreed on everything!!

Good post GDS2, I'm sure we would have a lively discussion in the boozer and both of us would come out of it feeling much wiser about all things Utd!

I turned off an England game a few months ago for the first time ever. I felt sad doing it, but enough was enough. I am a long way from cutting short my viewing time of Utd, however the extraordinary lengths I have gone to in order to watch us whilst traveling to remote locations have caused many a disagreement between Frau Beast and myself, not to mention wrecking my body clock and sacrificing certain important meetings all for the love of my club.

I somewhat doubt I would go to the same lengths to watch us now, nothing to do with any diminished love for all things Utd - just simply the return on investment isn't there at the moment watching us, I said it the other day but you could copy and paste our performances this season in over 75% of games.

I think the most annoying thing for people is the fact that it could and should be so different, we have the tools but we simply aren't using them - there is nothing more frustrating than wasted opportunity.

I feel my support is being abused and I often finish watching us feeling very very frustrated and angry at the players and mostly the manager for his abuse of power and poor decision making. You can forgive certain mistakes, but if the culprit keeps doing it time and time again there has to come a point where you say, "enough is enough how long will it take me to get a pilot license?"

{Ed001's Note - the question I have to ask is 'would GDS2 say that those who got so frustrated with the ongoings at the club off the field that they left and created their own club, FC United, are not true fans? Or is it only if they get fed up of what happens on the pitch that that become not true fans?' Hmmm ok that is two questions, doh.}

10 Feb 2015 12:27:17
Ed001,

I think that is a totally separate issue entirely and nothing like what I was getting at, I am getting told I post too much as it is without getting into my opinion on them 2 questions, I try and steer clear of that kind of stuff as it can easily offend.

Beast,

I pretty much agree with the wasted opportunity thing to an extent, I am just willing to give it a bit more time to fulfil the opportunity, Chelsea fans were on Mourinho's back this time last year, they spent millions and millions and couldn't even challenge for the top 2 with the best manager in the world at the helm, but he was building towards this year where they now look a different prospect entirely with just a couple of signings in key positions. I think we could be in a very similar boat this time next year.

{Ed001's Note - how is it a separate issue? It is people getting fed up with the club and taking their support elsewhere. There is a correlation between your idea of a true or real fan and them giving up on the club surely? The only difference is whether it is off field issues or on field issues that has seen them give up on the club.}

10 Feb 2015 13:45:59
My thoughts on that matter are the same as they are for this one, but like I said, the whole Glazer issue is one that causes offence and arguments that I do not want to be a part of.

I would have a private conversation with you about it but I have learnt many moons ago that any opinions about the ownership of the club are not for this website.

{Ed001's Note - ok mate, I understand that.}