Manchester United Banter Archive January 10 2012

10 Jan 2012 22:33:13
I was aware MUFCs spending over the last 20 years was lower than chelsea, man city, liverpool and spurs, but just reading recently the net spend over the last 5 years is lower than even sunderlands and stoke citys totally drove home how this great club is being crushed under the weight of King Troll Glazer and his Troll princes. This is the biggest club in the world, and it's an insane state of affairs. Any fan do what they can to end this regime from its current stranglehold.

10 Jan 2012 21:58:01
Everyone is throwing around the Martinez, Ozil, Gotze rumours etc, but i think the player that SAF wants is none of those. For me it is Bale, and here is why.

- Bale would be Giggs long term replacement.

- He can play left, right and has recently exelled in the middle.

- He's only 21 so has a very long career ahead of him.

- He is British.

- We have been interested in him for many years.

For me Redknapp is the number 1 choice for the England job, so i think this would make Bale's departure more likely. Furthermore SAF has historically liked a solid central midfield with expressive wingers, Bale is certainly a creative winger with an eye for goal. He is proven and would be a sound investment with very little risk.

He could also be Evra's replacement, if Evra takes him under his wing a bit and helps him out defensively positiong wise then i think he would be a fabulous left back for us. I'm sure one of the ed's will agree with me on this.

To stiffen up central midfield the player SAF wants is Rodwell for me, or he doesn't buy a midfielder and lets Jones play there. Instead he buys a center back who has experience. That will all depend on Fletcher's recovery i feel.

Potential line up:

--------------De Gea---------------

Smalling --Ferdinand---Vidic----Evra


Nani ----Anderson ----Cleverly --Bale


-------------Rooney---------------

------------Hernandez-------------

I must say i hope that the Demba Ba rumours would become true, he looks exceptional as long as he can stay injury free. At under 10 million he is a bargain.

RedDevil19

10 Jan 2012 21:47:38
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Blinkered Liverpool fans.

G.A.G.U.S

10 Jan 2012 20:13:05
Just a thought lads, does anyone else think that the appointment of Mark Hughes fot QPR could really benefit Macheda? I reckon working under Sparky could really fire Macheda up. I hope so because I really want him to succeed at United but feel if he doesn't do it at QPR then he will more then likely be off in the summer.

Ports

10 Jan 2012 18:56:59
I notice that posts about Nathaniel Clyne has slowed the further we move away from the Palace game - I wish this weren't the case.

The lad has always looked like a real talent, I thought for ages he would end up at Arsenal, he looks the sort that Wenger would snap up. Though he hasn't.

He is only getting better - racked up over 100 appearances for Palace now, been in the first team for over three years. Only 20 years old, loads of pace.

Check this out:

2009 & 2010 he was Palace's young player of the year.

2011 he was Palace's player of the year.

This season he was voted October's Championship player of the month.

He would be a great replacement for Neville I think.

What do you lot think of him..?

Joe

10 Jan 2012 18:30:51
Say we were going to spend over 50 million on one player, who out of this list would you go for that we have been linked with:

Hulk
Bale
Modric
Ronaldo
Martinez + Ozil

RedDevil19

10 Jan 2012 17:39:40
And there u have it! The tackle was thoroughly reviewed and the FA have agreed that the ref made the right decision! The second you leave the ground with both feet, you are not in control, it's reckless and dangerous.
You leave the ground with a 2 foot tackle = Red card fact.
So what I would like to ask everyone is if say for instance Nani did not react quick enough n didnt jump out the way and it happened that he got seriously injured then would u people that originally disagreed with the decision agree with it?

10 Jan 2012 16:21:43
Right now someone the other day was bemoaning the lack of tactical discussion on here, i think it was J Bones(apoligies if i'm wrong). So here is my view on the tactic deployed by our team and where i think we should go with future tactics.

Traditionally under Sir Alex we've used a 442 system mostly. This has always been reliant on wingers such as Giggs Beckham Ronaldo Valencia and Nani to stretch the play and create where as our centre midfield has always been more reliant on work rate than guile with players like Robson Ince Keane Butt Carrick Fletcher ect with the one exception in Scholes(although he was never shyed away from the work required ala a "Scholes tackle") this has been the platform of our success through the 90's and the 00's. But times have changed and so has football, it's not about ridged positioning but about movement and pocession now. We've always been a team who break quickley and work on the counter attack, draw players out then use pace to get in behind them and score. How many times have you heard our approach to the game as Cavalier?

Recently we've been playing more as a 4411 as this suits Rooney better, i don't feel he's quite right for midfield but he offers more than just being a striker. This position just off the main striker allows Wayne to drop off and find space and allows him to dictate our attacking play much more easily while still maintaining a goal threat. But the main issue for me is this line up still has wingers who by trade will lose the ball thus losing pocession. Only Bayern out of all the other tradional "big guns" of europe use wingers but even they are moving away from it.

So what formation should we use? well 4321 is too narrow and wouldn't suit the players we have at our disposal. 5212 could be an option with the full backs providing width with two box to box type midfielders sitting infront of a back three pushing forward to press play then have Rooney dropping off of a front two giving him options infront to play in. My only problem with this type of formation is it is a drastic change and there are several players in our squad who would have no place in this formation(park nani valencia young) so maybe such a big change isn't a good idea. 433 is an option but it is reliant on wide forward players who keep the ball better than wingers, it also needs three good midfielders and we may struggle to find three in our current squad.

So what i propose is 4231, now i know i'm not the first to surgest this formation and you could argue we sometime line up abit like this. In fairness that is why i think this is the best system to use as it's not too different to what we've use atm so transistion into this should be easier and smoother than any other formation change which would be drastic. But this is where i think it should be different i think we should line up like this:

____________DDG
Rafa___Smalling__Vidic___Evra
________Carrick__Jones
_Cleverley__Rooney__Anderson
__________Welbeck

Notice that i've taken out players like Valencia Nani and Young as these type of players lose the ball too much and with Cleverley and Anderson in their place we have ball playing players who can keep the ball thus making this a much better team at keeping the ball and harder to score against. Welbeck creates space for Cleverley Anderson and Rooney to work in and with Anderson returned to his best position hopefully we'll see the best of him. We can still have Nani Valencia and Young on the bench who could be brought on if we are chacing a game, say if you take off Carrick and Jones move Cleverley and Anderson back and have two of the wingers either side of Rooney to make it a much more ambitious line up. This formation would allow us to slowly transform and modernise the way we play and hopefully elivate us to the level of Barcelona and put us back on the european map. I think we'd need strengthening in a few places to add depth and quailty to this line up. An attack minded midfielder to add competition to Cleverley and Anderson, A more defence minded midfielder to add to Carrick and Jones, and a left back to replace the always "MIA" Evra although long term players like Morrison Pogba and Fryers will be coming into these positions. If money was no object i'd like to see Schmelzer Martinez and Ozil come in for these positions but more realistic targets might be Izaguirre Rodwell and Kagawa.

Let me know what you guys think.

Shappy

10 Jan 2012 15:26:55
Kompany ban stands
City skipper to serve four-match ban

The Football Association have dismissed Manchester City's appeal against Vincent Kompany red-card he picked up against Manchester United.

MD_11

10 Jan 2012 14:43:12
can @kop_bailey please tell me how many times Liverpool have become world club champions. I know they have qualified for the competition 5 times I just wondered how many times they have won it. In fact I would be interested to know which English teams have won it. RAINFISHTROMBONE

10 Jan 2012 13:09:37
FIFA's world 11:
casillas
ramos vidic pique alves
iniesta alonso xavi
ronaldo messi rooney

My world 11:
casillas
alves vidic pique marcello
sniejder bastian xavi
messi
RVP ronaldo
my subs bench would include:
-ramos
-rooney
-silva
-the bayern keeper
-inesta
-neymar/cavani ( cant decide)
-yaya toure
what would your world 11 and subs bench look like?

Millz

10 Jan 2012 11:34:17
whats with the daft decision to pick the big lug vidic in the world 11 , do they not know hes injured lol, besides being a good bread and butter c.b. , theres no way hes even in the worlds top 50 c.b.s , dan agger is twice the player he is..............lfc

10 Jan 2012 10:17:42
Anybody follow Ligue 1 this season? Any update on Moussa Sissoko and Yann M'Vila, the 2 french league midfielders most mentioned in these pages. How do they compare to Javi Martinez? It really annoys me when I hear the 'no value in the market place' when players like these are probably available at the right price.
Anyway, anybody have any up-to-date info on the players, any comparisons, favourites?
I said at the start of the season if we got Goetze and M'Vila I would be happy. I still think that Goetze and Cleverly together in a midfield 3 would be outstanding. I'm slightly starting to favour Martinez due to the huge ammount of favourible posts and reports regarding him, but him or M'Vila behind those 2 would be incredible. Get Hazard and a left back and we would be unstoppable.
DDG.
Jones Smalling Vidic Fryers
Martinez
Cleverly Goetze
Nani Hazard
Rooney

Why couldn't we have a team like this?

Sell/retire - Giggs, Scholes, Berb, Owen, Macheda, Diouf, Evra, Fletcher, Park, Gibson, DeLaet, Bebe, Anderson, Ferdinand and Valencia. This would raise a lot of money and reduce wages dramatically. The newcomers would provide a huge lift to the remaining players and fans. We would greatly reduce the average age of the squad which does reduce experience but makes up for this with drive and freshness and energy.
Thoughts anyone, Ed's?

J Bones

10 Jan 2012 09:48:19
why is there so much talk about ozil all of a sudden havent heard anything atall linking him with us in the summer or wenever ozil will stay at real madrid and if he does leave it wont be this year

10 Jan 2012 09:25:32
I hv always believed that Asian signings in Europe pay off because of the commitment these guys carry. They are much less arrogant & hardworking. Takashi Usami in Bayern I think would be a good signing for Utd as he is still young and could be a good replacement for Park. To make things clear, I'm don't mean offence to anyone reading this. This is just my point of view, i'm sure there will be some who agree and some who won't. So don't take it personally.
He is 19, and a midfielder gifted with speed and even vision. Eds & Syd, any chances?

Mohit {Ed002's Note - I have no idea, sorry.}

10 Jan 2012 09:18:40
www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/9003170/Manchester-United-manager-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-finally-honoured-with-Fifa-Presidents-Award-in-Zurich.html

Glad to see SAF saying here that he will stay as long as he is healthy. So unless this changes, we could be seeing him for a lot longer.

This is good news in my eyes.

Joe

10 Jan 2012 09:15:00
Apparently David Gill was at the Ballon D'or ceremony and approached Lionel Messi about a possible move to Old Trafford. when Messi finished laughing, he stated that he would only be intrerested in a move to City, as they play the better football and are going to dominate the Premier League for the next 200years.....don't shoot the messenger it's just what I've heard through the grapevine

much love

Sedrick

10 jan 2012 07:55:29
iker casillas,dani alves, gerard pique, sergio ramos, nemanja vidic, andres iniesta, xabi alonso, xavi, lionel messi, cristiano ronaldo, wayne rooney

haha.....

none of them from either chelsea,arsenal,mancity,bayern,dortmund or the milan clubs......

so which is the best club in pl?? ny shouts?


redcore

10 Jan 2012 05:14:01
Since I am starting 'any truth in the rumour' you probably think this is on the wrong page...BUT is
there any truth in the rumour that United are no longer allowing any player to retire until they are 45 years old.
It doesn't make sense spending on transfers when you have players who can still stand up.
I understand that there is also a suggestion that the Glazers and their lackey - Alex (just for you Ed007)
are considering bringing Bruce,Keane,Ince et al back
as 'cover'


Puzzled {Ed007's Note - Don't try to be a smart ar5e. It really doesn't suit you. Remember you had to turn the clock back twenty years to find a manager and Keane is probably fitter today than Gerrard is!}"""

dear mr ed007
ngiak believes he has a point
and its a serious point
ngiak believes he is right
its been proven for the last 3 years
gan

10 Jan 2012 03:02:55
Totally agree with u Jono some ppl here r deluded, if madrid were ever to sell ronaldo, city would get him and they wudn't mind shellin 300/400k a week for him, also no chance madrid signd him with a clause where he can buy him back. Respect wise do yu think ronaldo if asked if hed come bak to united? wud he say no never footballers r always vague to protect themselves, if he says yes automatically the next day all the news papers would be cristiano future indoubt, and if he says no all of us wud be callin him a w**ker so for those reasons footballers give vague answers like you never know. Also if ronaldo is to be sold now madrid wud never sell him hes priceless he is the worlds joint best player hes a totally different level from rooney. he has 112 goals in a 114 apps in two and half seasons he like messi probably has a billion euro clause in his contract. Even with the taxes madrid will increase his wages cos he makes them money with his image and advertising. ppl here saying he gets heckld by a small portion of the fans for every hater he probably has 10 fans, and ronaldo didnt become a superstar by givin up when small groups of ppl boo him, sure there was a time not long ago where every club in england would boo cristiano and it did not affect him at all. NO CHANCE of him cumin bak only way is if hes 35 playin in la galaxy and we get him for a loan for a few weeks is the only way will see him in a red shirt again.

sulei

10 Jan 2012 00:40:17
***Just in from Reuters*** :
Champion for the Elderly, Paul Scholes, was back to his unassuming work for good causes today after his comeback match for the Red Devils on Sunday.
He went on a whirlwind tour around Manchester, first to Olham W.I. to judge 'best home-made Apple Turnover' (won by Mrs Ada Gibbins).
A clearly delighted Ada later said that this was the second year in a row she'd been succesful. Her turnover for Wayne Rooney had also been very well received.
This was then followed by a dash to Wythenshawe's 'All Comers Giant Marrow Competition'.
This was won by a gentleman who would only give his name as Sydney who, when asked about the secret of his success, would only mutter about having a good supply of horsesh1t to spread.
For his kind efforts, Mr Scholes was presented with a family size bag of Wurther's Originals and a new Self-heating Truss by The Mayor of Oldham.
***Message ends***
The Real KB