Manchester United Banter Archive January 10 2018

 

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10 Jan 2018 20:33:56
Lukaku is reportedly seeking legal advice over Moshiri’s use of the work “voodoo”. Is this guy for real. This is everything that is wrong with the modern day footballer.

Brush it off son it was just a comment and get back on the training pitch. It is actually embarrassing and cringeworthy looking at how these overpriced divas go about their business. Suck it up.

If this isn’t the definition of political correctness through the roof then I don’t know what is. The likes of Roy Keane and co must be embarrassed to watch these spoiled sheltered kids pull on the jersey and crawl behind their lawyer every time they are mentioned in a way that ‘offends’ them.

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10 Jan 2018 22:11:50
And there speaks a white man.

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10 Jan 2018 22:21:11
So casual racism is OK, lukaku is 100% within his rights to stand up for himself. Racism is wrong no matter where and when it takes place.

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10 Jan 2018 22:22:49
Could say the same thing about moshiri, he could have moved on from lukaku turning down evertons offer instead of whining.

Everton have two world class, amazing, super fantastic strikers in Oumar Niasse and calvert-lewin. Maybe moshiri should focus on them.

If Avram Glazer had come out and said all rooney did was smoke 40 a day and eat pork pies for his last 4 seasons, i'm sure rooney would take umbrage with that. Why can't lukaku seek legal advice over a disparaging comment.

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11 Jan 2018 07:58:14
DSG in Mazes opinion Rooney would have said ‘look at my goal scoring record for United” and “your the twit who was paying me for it”.

The only thing Lukaku should be seeking legal advice on is his first touch because it’s bloody criminal.

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11 Jan 2018 08:42:02
It's 2018 Maze, not 1967.

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11 Jan 2018 09:15:17
I want the old maze back.

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11 Jan 2018 09:32:21
As I mentioned the only folk you judge these comments as racist are those who seem to link everything to racism. They are the true racists.

As for the white man speaks comment it is a huge assumption to assume that Maze is white. Is Maze white? Wow.

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11 Jan 2018 09:54:40
Im not interested in the colour of anyones skin I just know if I was a multi millionaire and somebody made untrue or disparaging remarks about me or my family then i'd be on them with the best lawyers money could buy. B***ks to all that "turn the other cheek "nonsense.

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11 Jan 2018 09:57:58
You should subscribe to the Daily Mail, Maze. You'd fit right in.

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11 Jan 2018 09:41:54
Would this be the same Roy Keane who sued paddy power because they used his picture in an unflattering billboard.

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11 Jan 2018 10:33:04
I’m sorry Maze, but who are you to tell a black man when and when not he should take offence to racist abuse?

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11 Jan 2018 10:49:18
Who am I? I am a member of a society that has gone mad with political correctness. I am a multi-cultural ethnic individual in my own right so get off your high horse Anon you can’t ride it properly.

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11 Jan 2018 12:01:08
Well maze, moshiri did prove that you don't need to be white to make casual racist remarks.

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11 Jan 2018 12:10:37
I suppose if you’re 8 different people you can class yourself as ethnic and multicultural. Which one is black though? Rollo or JMB?

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11 Jan 2018 12:12:04
From what I can see this isn't political correctness (I hate it myself, too many people going out of their way to be offended) But this Morishi fella obvioulsy has thrown in the Voodoo thing knowing it would be controversial and possibly offensive to Lukaku and his family.

Im an Irishman myself, I can appreciate an Irish joke and know its banter if my mates call me thick paddy or whatever. A stranger saying it would be different, I could also give that stranger a smack in the mouth if I was offended, however that really isn't a viable option for Lukaku so if he has the money and is so annoyed then yes bY all means defend yourself by use of legal action.

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11 Jan 2018 13:17:55
Calm down everyone, Maze has spoken.

It's 2018 and if a man wants to slander another man with added racial undertones, we should accept his right to do it. It's about free speech innit? I mean what if I accidentally slander someone in a planned interview with the media, and make allusion to their racial background within my slanderous comment? Should I be punished for that? You're all barking mad.

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11 Jan 2018 16:44:41
No discussion what Moshiri said has racial undertones, no need for legal action, Moshiri should apologises and we all move on.

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10 Jan 2018 15:56:53
Been a very long time since I posted usually just read and agree or disagree to myself with what people post. I read a post a few week back regarding someone who had enough of the game seen more commitment on a Sunday league pitch etc and money and time can be spent elsewhere.

This is something that has been stewing with me for a while now. I have been a season ticket holder for some time now. at the end of last season I said to the wife " I think im done with it all". she replied why you enjoy it. and there it sunk in. I don't anymore. I renewed again thinking it may change but I have possibly done 3 games this season.

People ask why or what's wrong and if im honest it comes down to the whole game.

I have seen our team through very bad to the very good but the game is going down a slippery slope.

The money is obscene, the refs are shocking, the players cheat, dive, scream and roll around. They wave imaginary cards to get other players booked or sent off.

The ridiculous Kick off times and dates that games are played to suit the tv and not the fans.

Even watching it on tv turns my stomach. Commentators trying to justify players cheating or diving and nearly every player does it in every team.

Now I sometimes go to watch our local rugby league side where we all mix and can have a pint in the stands and watch them lads take a hit and get up without moaning and crying and I really enjoy it and it makes me go back.

It is where you buy a cup of tea and a pie and the money is put back into the club and it IS about the supporters who make the club.

With all that said and done my time as a football fan is finished.

Sad in a way but I do not enjoy the game anymore. my season ticket is £720 a season ticket at our rugby league side is £260 and that is where my money will go.

I will always look out for our results and wish the lads every success in the future.

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10 Jan 2018 17:27:21
Some leaving speech that totally pointless post.

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10 Jan 2018 18:36:50
I go to watch F. C. United and Chester on occasion, it is good to see the lower leagues for sure, but united are in my blood so couldn’t just turn my back no matter how ludicrous it all becomes, why not watch both?

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10 Jan 2018 18:47:30
I was so hoping this post had been written by Maze as I was reading down 😂.

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10 Jan 2018 19:03:19
Sandwich short of a picnic.

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10 Jan 2018 19:21:19
Football, and sport in general, is a metaphor for life. The obscenity of the reward, the cheating, the incompetent governance etc etc is a perfect mirror of what's going on outside. Moving on is part of the cycle of life, just like leaving a city that's become too crowded or a job that's no longer fulfilling. I remember when the beach in Goa was empty. Now it's full of tourists. I may never go back. But for every sour grump like myself there's clearly many a replacement. It's all in your frame of reference.

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10 Jan 2018 19:42:37
Clemo, I understand the sentiment, totally. The game has become a caricature, a symbol of everything that's wrong in our greedy, self-obsessed society. It's all fur coat and no knickers for me. Maybe it's just an age thing.

I would just say, I don't begrudge young, working-class lads making as much as they can. They're entertainers, and when you see what privately-educated, RADA-trained actors earn for a film, there's no way I'd begrudge a young lad from a council estate, making the most of his talents, especially with the money swirling around in the game. I'd rather it went to them, than agents. There's a snobbery against footballers doing well for themselves.

But, I digress. I think you can do both, as I do, mate, just to keep you grounded.

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10 Jan 2018 19:50:16
Some childish replies to a heartfelt post, a post I agree with. I too find myself wondering if this is for me and share the frustrations outlined by Clemo. Even if you don’t agree, no need for the silly replies.

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10 Jan 2018 19:51:49
I know how you feel I hit a low during the van gaal season, even asked if friends wanted to take on my tickets ( 890 a year and iv got 2 ) I now don't go to every home game iv stepped back to spend more time with the wife and kids. As the game changes I find myself going to less games I don't know if its me getting older or just that footballs not the game it was when I was a kid.

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10 Jan 2018 20:11:27
Watch NFL or NBA.

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10 Jan 2018 20:24:47
My reply was to gds grumpy grandad😂.

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10 Jan 2018 20:46:16
Not it wasn’t Ken. Do not backtrack it is pathetic.

NC As a whole I agree with your point about kids from a council estate doing well but as the years go past it seems the players to make it to the top these days are all kids of privilege who can afford to attend the best academy’s and soccer carnivals etc. The game is definitely doing a 360 turn from the “working class mans game”.

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10 Jan 2018 21:14:20
How would you know maze it was in reply to gds in reference to your good self.

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10 Jan 2018 21:19:17
Who are these players that come from priveledged backgrounds that have made it beast and where and when did you go through their family finances. you are the quintessential empty bottle just making noise.

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10 Jan 2018 21:21:31
Gave mine up after Rome. Went without tickets didn’t get in, but the main reason was some stupid woman who worked for the club who probably never been to a game in her life offered me and my mate 2 tickets for £2000.I had to hold my mate back from lamping her. We ended up watching it outside the ground on a poxy tv and that was us done. Only bother with euro aways and the odd away game. Too many tourists at Old Trafford who know nothing about the club probably didn’t even know we were called Newton Heath before Man Utd. Love utd but hate the way the game has gone. All seater killed it for me.

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10 Jan 2018 21:25:07
Maze, you mean a 180 turn. If it did a 360 it would be exactly the same. Logic. ;)

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10 Jan 2018 21:47:01
180 maybe maze/ jmb/ rollo/ the maze and co. lol. That comment sums you up completely.

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10 Jan 2018 21:49:51
Where Jmb and rollo live the circles have 720degrees rwwd you should know that.

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11 Jan 2018 02:59:30
RWWD the point is that cost in football used to be based on cost the working class could afford say 20 per ticket. As the middle class got involved that cost went to 40 per ticket. Suddenly the game has now become a 60 per ticket sport because the upper class now control the finances. These costs ahead now done a complete 360 degree turn as it is now the working class man who is paying 80 per ticket.

Do not worry RWWD The Maze understands it is difficult for you to understand so an explanation is necessary. Ken and Angel The Maze is glad to see you are still contributing to interesting posts in the same way.

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10 Jan 2018 23:25:01
I mix my time between rugby union and football these days. I can’t quite bring myself to relinquishing my season ticket and many people are happy to use it. Away matches and egg chasing for me right now to keep me sane. Once Football became less entertaining I see no point watching two teams trying not to lose anymore. Very dull.

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11 Jan 2018 06:01:12
Haha he is trying to justify the comment now. Oh give up maze at this stage 😂.

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11 Jan 2018 06:21:19
Angel what is our view on the great post by OP or are you only on this thread to follow the Mazes comments? Yep same old Angel.

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11 Jan 2018 08:16:09
Good to see that now every thread is going to be about maze again 🖕🏻.

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11 Jan 2018 10:15:58
I agree the game has gone to pot. I don't like it as much as I used to. It's done a 180 and I hope/ wish it would do a full 360 and becomes honourable again.

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11 Jan 2018 10:35:51
I’m in the same boat Clemo, find myself enjoying the game less and less. You can’t have a normal conversation with anyone about football anymore as everyone seems so blind with bias. I watch England now and listen to the commentators justify every single dive and ignore every elbow or foul challenge by any England player.

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11 Jan 2018 11:09:21
It's a good first post the type you are starting to read more off .
It's not just football, it's the way society is going .
A couple of pretty childish replies tho.

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11 Jan 2018 12:52:46
I think its a great post. For me it is a gradual thing, and as more things happen that I find irritating, the less interest I take in the sport. Relatively speaking, I'm always going to love our club, but I find myself less willing to inconvenience myself to support them, and football. For example, I am yet to watch a single Southgate England game, where as a few years ago I would've seen them all.

At the moment I'm still fairly committed, but definitely less than I was a couple of years ago. The first hit to my overall passion for the sport was when Nani got sent off in the Champions League against Real.

So fair play Clem, I understand your sentiments entirely.

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11 Jan 2018 17:36:13
Wow jack you got turned off watching soccer due to a referring mistake on nani.
Just as well your not german or you would have stopped watching in 1966 when the russian linesman screwed up.
Will your kids stop doing their homework if the teacher makes a mistake?

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12 Jan 2018 09:06:01
Ken,

I appreciate your point, but actually I think it's natural that people lose faith in a system, when they disagree with it. I didn't lose interest because Nani made a mistake, it was because I didn't agree with the rule/ decision that led to his dismissal.

Whether you like it or not, playing and supporting football are leisure activities, receiving an education is somewhat more important. It would be perfectly reasonable for children to lose faith in a system that failed them educationally, but more important for them to persevere.

And just to add, I follow football more closely than most of the population, I am just less interested than I once was.

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12 Jan 2018 19:36:49
I was using am extreme to illustrate my point Jack. Nice reply.

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10 Jan 2018 13:07:04
Who's going to be your manager next year boys?

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10 Jan 2018 14:56:21
All of us arm chair managers, same as every season. We believe in continuity. Who are you going to replace hazard with?

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10 Jan 2018 15:27:32
Nice Supa, nice.

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10 Jan 2018 15:27:39
Whose going to be your manager next year gola?

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10 Jan 2018 15:54:36
Conte.

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10 Jan 2018 16:13:40
Most likely mourinho thanks to conte by the looks of it.

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10 Jan 2018 16:33:07
Conte will be gone in the summer mist likely. Hazard certainly will be gone.

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10 Jan 2018 19:28:46
Is his name spelt with an 'o', my mistake, sorry lads!

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10 Jan 2018 19:45:30
It was not a dig I was merely just asking a question
Why on these sites does everything get taken personally yes Conte and hazard will go.

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10 Jan 2018 20:27:30
Jose wont.

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10 Jan 2018 20:57:02
Because text has no context what may be a straight question can interpreted differently.

I'd expect Jose to at least see out his contract. If he did leave I'm not sure who would take over. There's not many outstanding candidates.

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10 Jan 2018 21:50:47
If you want to see attacking football, the pochettino would be a good candidate, if you want practical, no-nonsence, then sean dyche would fit the bill, and if you prepared to wait 2-4 years, johnson at bristol city looks promising.

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11 Jan 2018 13:05:12
Does anyone have any views on Gasperini? Seems good at bringing youth through, plays good football and is very pragmatic. I know he failed at Inter, but that isn't really a measure of anything.

I think the idea of continuing with managerial musical chairs is a bit tedious for us and the Premiership, but I understand that its a matter of safeguarding finance and being careful with appointments.

One of the things that I've been thinking of for a while is how managers are categorised, and what that means for football. For example, Cryuff-ian and post-Cryuffian managers have dominated recently with tika-taka football, and any take on any other tactics, see Mourinho, traditional Italian, etc, is seen as inferior (despite their relatively near-recent success) . Do people see football evolving purely into a something straight out of a Cryuff playbook, or do people thing that there will be a different 'school' come along and replace it? Or system to counter it.

Also, on another note, who thinks Klopp to Real in the summer would be a reasonable shout? It certainly won't be Zizou come next season!

Jack.

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10 Jan 2018 09:57:17
Just seen moshiri's comments about lukaku, is casual racism now allowed because the speaker isn't white.

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10 Jan 2018 11:30:20
Genuine question. Which part was racist? I might not have read the whole thing.

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10 Jan 2018 12:08:24
Nothing racist from what i read, he was just being honest i guess.

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10 Jan 2018 12:41:18
Not sure its racism but to suggest Lukaus mum did some sort of Voodoo while she was in Africa and told him to leave for Chelsea is very very distasteful.

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10 Jan 2018 12:58:34
"His agent went to Finch Farm to sign the contract. Then somehow during the meeting, Romelu called his mother and said she was on a pilgrimage to Africa and had seen some sort of voodoo that said he had to sign for Chelsea. " So because he is of african descent he apparently believes in voodoo and thus did not sign.

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10 Jan 2018 13:54:49
From what i read the voodoo part was the genuine excuse given by lukaku to leave for chelsea. He is not right to mention it but i guess he was pissed off as he signed for us later.

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10 Jan 2018 14:27:52
Is he not just explaining what happened. Bit of a reach in my eyes saying it was racism. Had he been white and his mother had seen a voodoo, what would you say that was?

I would have said his mother saw a voodoo? Doesn't matter the colour of someone.

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10 Jan 2018 15:02:49
“Romelu’s decision had nothing to do with voodoo. He distances himself from these beliefs and this statement and will now see what judicial steps can be taken in relation to them. ”lukaku agent .

It would seem the player himself isn't very happy about the comments.

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10 Jan 2018 15:23:15
Racism is assuming only black people do voodoo haha.

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10 Jan 2018 15:28:35
Isn't big Rom Catholic?

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10 Jan 2018 15:52:30
Angel Lukaku is now suing moshiri for the voodoo comment as he says he never said such a thing and just did not believe in everton project.

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10 Jan 2018 16:14:36
Don't know 12 days, but hear a rumour that the pope might be.

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10 Jan 2018 16:35:45
Well then moshiri is an eejit for saying it.

In the context I read it, it was perceived as though that is what had happened. Obviously not!

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10 Jan 2018 18:46:47
I’m not sure it’s racist but at least nobody said he’s got a massive knob again, it all would have gone off.

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10 Jan 2018 19:51:40
It’s casual racism, as was the willy song. It’s stereotypical claptrap.

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10 Jan 2018 20:29:04
Grumpy on patrol.

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10 Jan 2018 22:17:48
I don't believe that for a minute Dw! 🤣.

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10 Jan 2018 10:06:51
Does anyone think we should be trying to get Sanchez.

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10 Jan 2018 10:18:36
Good idea Scully you would think someone would have mentioned that before😂😂.

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10 Jan 2018 10:20:27
1000 per cent (yes I know shld be 100) But if his heart is set on City and won't entertain anyone else then we should at least make a stupid offer to get Arsenal to demand more money.

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10 Jan 2018 10:57:07
Only if Mourinho want's him and he want's to join. Pointless signing players the manager doesn't want as he will rarely play them. Like wise it is a bad idea trying to sign players who don't want to be at the club, Di Maria anyone?

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10 Jan 2018 11:52:20
A quality player available for a decent price. I’m sure mourinho would take him. If already going to city then fair enough, but silly to at least not throw a bid in. Would be good just to see city’s reaction. Lol.

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10 Jan 2018 12:41:22
The reaction would be simple, Sanchez will insist on going to City, which means City will either wait until the summer and sign him for free or Sanchez would dig his heels in and force through a move to City for a lower price than we bid in January.

Either way the press would have a field day about how City is perceived as a bigger club than we are by players now they have St Pep. So why get involved in something that will almost definitely lead to bad press for us?

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10 Jan 2018 14:49:03
Maybe they enquired and was told the player doesn't want to play for United. That he wants to go and play for someone else.

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10 Jan 2018 16:35:01
I'm hoping he turns into Pep's Tino Asprilla. Long shot I know.

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10 Jan 2018 17:58:25
it is simple. Sanchez knows he will get a PL winners medal playing for city this season and will have to do f all this season to get one so he will get his move done this window.

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10 Jan 2018 01:45:35
It seems Red Man is stuck in 2010-2013 and unable to come to grips with the present.

The Glazers are at fault for United's fall from grace post 2013. But "no ambition" and "not spending enough money" are absolutely not the reasons to justify that statement.

The reasons are the following :
1. Ineptness to manage the transition post Ferguson.
2. Letting Sir Alex choose his successor
3. Appointing two poor managers (and perhaps a 3rd unsuitable one too) who were never right for the club.
4. Allowing Gill and Ferguson to go at the same time.
5. Not appointing a Director of Football to work with Sir Alex in his last couple of years to have a long term transition plan already in place once he leaves, where the DOF would have been involved with the board to buy players to fit a particular philosophy and appoint a manager after Ferguson who fit that philosophy.

Its not "ambition" or "spending" that's the issue but mismanagement and a clear lack of experience in managing transitions between managers and long term planning that's the issue. The reason for that is clear as well. Its because they never had to do it while Ferguson was around. He was the DOF himself and managed the football side of the things. Transitioning between managers, having a process to search for a new one was never required. Other clubs do this regularly and are already experienced with it.

THAT is their fault. They've spent the money and have shown the ambition but they appointed the wrong men to invest it and didn't have the proper structure at the club in place to imolement it. That's where their fault lies and they should be blamed for it. Perhaps not getting the likes of Txiki at the club is their biggest mistake.

So Red Man. Please stop with your relentless agenda. Its gotten a bit boring and your assertions contradict the evidence. We've spent more than enough to show ambition. The numbers don't lie.

Its clear to me and most people on here that you simply make your conclusion and later try to fit evidence into it. You made up your mind on Moyes even before he had officially started. It was the same with LVG. You clearly fawn over Jose while most are pretty ambivalent and do agree that he's been a bit hit and miss and has made mistakes but you see pretty much no wrong and are barking up the wrong tree of spending. And you've had your mind made up about the owners and seem to see a lack of spending and ambition even though the evidence doesn't support your conclusions.

P. s. It seems to me that Jose doesn't want Sanchez. We've bought far more expensive players than him in the last 4 years on comparable wages. Not going for Sanchez has nothing to do with the owners but Jose preferring a different player. Sanchez and Malcolm are today to you what Pastore was back a few years ago. I remember you moaning on here for days. A player whom the manager wasn't interested in but suited your agenda of beating the drum of "lack of spending" and "ambition".

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10 Jan 2018 05:15:40
Couldn't agree more, excellent post.

Poor decision making top-bottom and flittering money away all the while. We have missed a golden opportunity to pull away from the competition. Wasted opportunity infuriates me more than anything.

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10 Jan 2018 06:30:03
Very good post. In fact this should be pinned at the top of this page for a while.

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10 Jan 2018 06:40:46
REDFAITH

You make some good points, ones which I have made on here before, but you have summarised them well. However seem to spectacularly misunderstand ambition.

Most if not all clubs have ambition, but it is the level of ambition that differs. Teams in the championship have ambition, to get in the play off, be promoted. Teams in the premier league relegation zone have ambition to stay up, mid table teams to improve, get to a European place, the top four.

There are teams whose aim is to TRY to win the league and or a cup.

Then there are teams who want to dominate, win European cups, Madrid, Barca, Munich, PSG and now City. They don’t talk about cost, they have an aim, an ambition to dominate in their own leagues but in Europe as well. I do not see that in us.

What I do see is the ambition, the burning ambition to maximise the asset value whilst trying to show ambition to win the big trophies and that is the next level, albeit small level down to the big boys and now even to City, it shouldn’t be. If we can have the best asset value without being the best team why spend more is what seems to be the view

Do get your facts right on lvg, for me it was not the same as with Moyes, I had not “made up my mind before he started”. Moyes yes, knew it would be a disaster but lvg I have had stick on here recently for supporting him, do check before making sweeping statements.

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10 Jan 2018 09:00:24
Red Man what a lot of twaddle. That is blatantly just twaddle, twaddle, twaddle. Choices where made they didn’t work out.

Red faith has not questioned the clubs ambition one bit but has only questioned why you keep beating a boring old drum. This club will always be ambitious, it is ingrained in the DNA of its traditions although LVG did has damnest to play that down because he couldn’t hack it as manager, now Jose is sailing on the same boat.

One thing Maze does agree with you in though is you did sheepishly follow LVG and claim that he was a major success over Moyes. Again though that is nothing to be proud of because LVGs stint at United was a shambles.

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10 Jan 2018 09:56:00
Redman what level are you talking about, let's city for eg as you seem to love their owners. Last season they bought sane, gundogan and bravo when likes of Neymar, pogba and keepers much better than bravo would have been available. Are they penny pinchers too, fact is guardiola's buys have worked out a lot better than mourinho's.

Had it not been for atletico getting a ban we would have spent as much as city did, it isn't the Glazers fault that mkhi turned out to be a dud or that ibra lasted only a season or lukaku being a ftb they paid for what Mou wanted. Yet because you love mourinho he can't be blamed for anything.

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10 Jan 2018 11:19:46
Good post Red Faith you make some excellent points but I also agree with Red Man. Now bear with me and I will attempt to explain why.

There is no doubt the Club has spent heavily since Fergi retired but think of this. The season he retired we finished as Champions. The Club appointed Moyes on a 6 year contract but our only summer signing was Fellaini in an embarrassing deadline day fiasco! Call it Woodward's inexperience, incompetence or a combination of the two that was a pretty disastrous first transfer window especially with a new manger at the helm. I have no doubt that Moyes gave the board his lists of targets and them failed him spectacularly. They approached that window with the same naivety and arrogance as previous ones and why spend money when you've just won the league by 13 points? Well what about trying to win the Champions League! That's the ambition or lack of it that we're talking about!

Moyes reign was equally as bad at that first window which ultimately set the tone for a manger and chairman hopelessly out of their depth. This has now cost the Club millions trying to remedy.

For the Club to remain marketable, attractive to investors/ sponsors and profitable we must be playing Champions League football. Whilst the Glazers know nothing about football they know business. An extended spell outside the top 4 would be disastrous for our revenue streams.

Call me cynical but this is my view on our spending. For the Club to get back into the top 4 they realised they had to invest in the squad and I can't argue that they haven't done this. Now Jose can't argue that he hasn't had money to spend. He has. But given the fact that City already had a superior squad has he been given enough money to first of all bridge that gap and then make us better? I'd argue not! He delivered in his first campaign, won us two trophies and got us back into the Champions League. Now this is my point about ambition. This was the summer to go again and really back Jose in the market. He stated that he wanted at least four players. If truth be known he probably wanted more but even Jose understands Glazernomics!

The board didn't deliver on even his minimum requirement whilst City spent well over £150m on three full backs and a goalkeeper, addressing their weak points and significantly improving their squad. We haggled over the price of Perisic and we missed out. In my opinion they decided we were back in the top 4 and didn't see the value in spending £50m on a player in his late 20's. Where have we heard this before?

City are 15 points clear at the top, they have one foot in the final of the League Cup yet are still aggressively pursuing Sanchez, one of the best players in the league to make them even better knowing that he could come for free in the Summer. Would our board in this position do the same thing? That is the difference in ambition we're taking about.

One Club wants to dominate whilst the other is content with their position and continues to search for value in the market!

Why as fans should we not want our Club to spend money that has been generated by our own means. If it's not spent on transfers then it's only lining the Glazers pockets and I know which I'd prefer. Come on chaps if we want to be the best then surely we've got to spend like them!

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10 Jan 2018 12:33:53
And every one laughter at city overspending on overrated players.

But city are playing so now we have to spend more more more .
Even tho we have spent a very large amount of cash .

I wonder if city hadn't spent as much if our problem would still be we haven't spent enough?
Strange thing is if you listen to the sharkpod United's main target is savic who is going to cost mega cash . Yet we have no ambition because we haven't signed Sanchez?

Maybe the club have a plan, have spent a lot of cash, are going to spend a lot more . But they don't want Sanchez a player that doesn't seem to want to play for United and will be 30 next year .

Maybe want bale or griezmann or someone like that .

Is the issue the club doesn't spend money, doesn't sign players or is it the club hasn't signed the players certain fans want?

I know we are a full week in to the January transfer market and all our rivals have bought the best 10 players in the world .
But come on boys keep your chin up, we should stay up this year ;)

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10 Jan 2018 13:01:37
Danny

Good points

Let’s not forget that Woodward said in 2013 that the team didn’t need any significant Re-tooling. How was that level of ambition comparable to being the best in the world? Ok we won the league but didn’t get near in the UCL and then he delivered Fellaini.

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10 Jan 2018 13:02:19
That is a great post Danny🙌🏽. You have summed it up perfectly and I think the difference in ambition is clear to see between our owners and city’s owners. One wants to dominate football and create a dynasty. The other is happy with being back in the top 4 and making huge profits on sponsors. I think we can all agree there is not much difference in ambition between pep and Jose. But one is being backed to the hilt and the other is being backed but not as much as he would like. Interesting times because in the premier league we seem to be the only side that can stop city dominating for years in my opinion. Chelsea have a good squad and team but their transfer policy has changed and they will not go out and back Conte the way city do with pep. We really have to get the right players in this summer otherwise we will be left behind. We need to match the manager’s ambition and if we are unwilling to, then there is not point him being here in my opinion.

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10 Jan 2018 12:53:40
Dany moyes was an inept idiot, moyes who decided to play FIFA with his targets like wanting ronaldo and bale and fabregas who we knew had no chance of signing rather than signing likes of thiago which utd had already done the groundwork for.

And in the same vein as you said we have spent 160 million on 3 mf's in last 3-4 seasons and by the looks of it are willing to chuck 100 million more on another one, pep wanted a defence mourinho wants a mf nothing earth shattering to it. City are pursuing sanchez but even they seem to have put in financial constraints to what they will spend on him in jan.

Everyone keeps mentioning perisic as if he would have solved what ails us right now, his stats in Serie A this season are 20 apps 1800 mins 7 goals and 6 assists to Martial's 11 (9) apps 919 minuted 7 goals and 3 assists in epl, how exactly would he have improved us, if anything we would have been worse off given martial will actually improve in future while this season and last season have been perisic's best ever performances since his days in the belgian league.

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10 Jan 2018 13:43:06
Totally agree Park!

CSM - The point about Perisic is not if he is a good player but rather the manger identified him as a key target and the board didn't deliver. There can be no doubt that the Club didn't want to pay the asking price probably due to his age. The board didn't fulfil the mangers minimal requirements and we should be asking why not? He probably wanted another LB, CM and back up RB is a perfect world. I think even Jose understood this was unrealistic it he expected them to deliver his targets. How do you propose that we over take City if we're not even prepared to match their spending? We either want to be the best or we don't! Yes money can be wasted and mis spent but without it your left hoping for miracles. Just look at Spurs. Potch has done a great job but there a million miles away from winning anything and won't get anywhere close unless they change their philosophy. They'll do well just to keep hold of their players never mind improve their squad. Don't forget Pep won nothing last season and he's spent another small fortune getting the players he wanted. We shouldn't fool ourselves unless we're prepared to at least match the likes of City and PSG then our glory days will be few and far between. Do we want to be the best or not?

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10 Jan 2018 14:41:44
We should of just spend 50 million more on pogba lukaku and lindelof then we would of spent more than city .

As for perisic maybe inter didn't want to sell or the club simply didn't think he was worth the asking price? Or do we just pay any amount of money that the club ask .

What if we had bough perisic and he got injured first game of the season? Would that if been our title challenge over right there, because he is that good .

What if we do some really good business this summer and identify some really good players that don't cost 150 mil each . Will every one be up in arms because we haven't shown any ambition .
Let's hope Jose doesn't give one of the kids a chance, when he could just be spending 60 mill on someone else . Can you imagine the lack of ambition then .


Seems it not about the player we buy but the amount he costs.

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10 Jan 2018 14:58:17
We have also added lingard and Rasford to the team . But they didn't cost anything so don't seem to count.

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10 Jan 2018 15:40:29
I think the issue with us not going for Sanchez is that he predominantly plays from the left and we already have Martial but more importantly rashford.

I think Jose is well aware of what would happen if he got rid of Rashford to accommodate Sanchez.

Lukaku is always going to play and therefore the only spot that Rashford gets a look in is wide left as on the right he is less effective.

Martial is the better player, but because Rashford is a local kid and considering our youth traditions I think Jose feels that Rashford has to play. If Sanchez came on board that wouldn't happen nearly as much because then you would have two players in Rashford's two positions that are better than him.

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10 Jan 2018 16:11:57
Danny do you think fernandinho and an injury prone gundogan are what pep wants as his mf's or are his favorite cb's stones and otamendi, he seems to have adjusted to it well enough.

Also utd seemed happy enough to spend 89mn on griezmann may be it is mourinho who needs to pick who he wants more carefully, because in no world can you go from no 3 on Balon d'or award list to perisic that's like going from Ronaldo to Valencia and we know how that went. This back the manager come what may has lumbered us with likes of darmian, blind and rojo, perisic would have only added to that list.

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10 Jan 2018 17:53:46
Hi all its Mike you favourite Moston Red

Okay I’ve read a lot of what's been put on here over the past few days and feel the need to speak

I get your all up in arms at the moment, over let's face it the bile churning prospect of them lot winning the lot. The Glazer blame brigade are out in force again, yawn yawn yawn. The blame everybody apart from Ferguson etc brigade are out in force again, I could go on and on.

We are second in the league, would we be bringing the Glazers in to it again if Chelsea were top and running away with it like they were last year, Probably not. The fact of the matter is Guardiola’s philosophy appears to have clicked all of sudden with the acquisition of full backs who have sensational recovery runs in them. This is exactly what they lacked last year with Zabaletta and Kolarov not up to it. They’ve blazed a trail that none of us could match. Not just Jose, I’m talking Klopp, Conte, Pochettino etc. Anyway enough sunshine blown up their you know what.

January. What serious business is done in January, other than the odd sensation here and there. We signed Mata that year on the back of the embarrassing transition and transfer window in Summer 2013. I don’t realistically expect anyone to be brought in, but you never know. It can upset your squad as we know. We all remember the Asprilla signing at Newcastle that year.

I get sick of hearing about City are leaving us for dead etc. Well if they are we are not on our own. United has an infrastructure that is up there with the best there is. We have state of the art training facilities, that were there long before the Emptysad Campus in Beswick. They had to spend billions to just get near us in that respect and will have to spend more to get near us in terms of honours.

I think a lot of people here are emotional wrecks at the minute over nothing. Manchester United are a very well run football club, that makes a lot of money and money has been proven over the past few years to be spent. You can’t level that at the owners. They have probably spent close to Citys and Chelsea’s owners.

We are not going to win the league every year now its over, get over it. City won’t win it every year or Chelsea or Liverpool etc. I was glad we won the cup in 2016 and the trophies we won last year. So if we don’t win anything this year, we won’t be the only club.

Jose is no fool and it’s a brave man or woman who thinks otherwise. We lost Pogba for important periods this year and any team losing him, it would have a big impact. He’s back fit now and there are still 2 trophies to win as well as a top four spot to play for. We may yet finish the season with our cheeky grins in tact.

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10 Jan 2018 18:47:43
in all honesty, should have gone for Giggsy instead of Moyes. Moyes I feel tried to do way too much too soon with the back room staff for example and this backfired. I feel Giggs would have tried to maintain as much as the same structure Fergie had in place. to make matters worse they went for LVG straight after and he was a total let down. The sad state of affairs is Mourinho is still stuck with LVG's deadwood and I think he summed it up from day one where he said he wished he started from zero instead of the squad he had inherited.

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10 Jan 2018 20:54:05
Maze -Mazey- Maze you my fella are wired up in a different manner than the rest of us . You wouldn't look out of place in Royston Vasey you looney I'm guessing with some of your posts 😆😆.

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