Manchester United Banter Archive July 10 2011

10 Jul 2011 22:18:58
The whole wesley is a gamble thing is true but there's jst as much if not more in nasri (who I think is quality) n goteze sanchez. Berba was proven in prem n cudnt make the step up. On the market now wes is the best proven midfeilder out there he has won almost evry thng. We wud all of had reservations abt vdv but he proved his class for spurs n I thnk dutch players adapt t prem than most others. So I think wes has t b our no 1 target. Modric is goin t chels n nasri will stay at arse. Wud luv nasri or wes. United99

10 Jul 2011 21:48:26
Find somewhere in my post I said any of that

also I think he can read himself and doesn't need you to post for him, although having read that response you quite clearly do not read properly yourself."""
dear unnamed sir
how presumptious of ngiak
he assumed you knew what ngiak was talking about the whole day
well apologies all around
ngiak must keep his posts much simpler
those you quoted ngiak writing were NOT your words dear sir
they were what ngiak was trying to say
when you so eloquently with your vast level of maturity
so courteously requested ngiak to acquire a brain
and vehemently tried to put ngiak down
since you continue to persist in misunderstanding and make a fool out of yourself in public
ngiak has decided to back down and allow you to bask in all your perceived glory
gan
ps... maybe ngiak shall come back to you in 15 years when you fully comprehend the current rhetoric

10 Jul 2011 21:25:45
@ Redfaith.

Sorry but your post on rumours contained some nonsense.

1. Most players were average last year as is the case after a WC summer prob explains the sub standard of the EPL in general But Sneijder only started 22 games in the league last year so that's only 58% of the games not much chance there to set the league alight. Still scored 4 and 5 assists.

2. Are you going to be another 'Sydney!' and say he cant play in CM? Well as I have said to him as well he played there all his Ajax days. Real bought him after they failed to get Ballack so clearly bought him for CM. He started there but was pushed to the wings now and then when needed but still played well. He has only played CAM consistently since going to Inter as Jose seen the best way for Inter was the 2 holding and 1 CAM.

3. Sneijder wasn't good at Madrid? He had a better season personally for Madrid in his first year than his treble winning year. 27 starts 9 goals 6 assists not bad for a CM / LW who is playing for the first time in a different league compared to 24 starts 4 goals 6 assists for Inter. (league stats only). Second season in Madrid was disrupted with a big injury preseason and didn't get back playing till end of Sept. So because of that he looked as though he didn't contribute as much (18 league apps) hence his name being used as the makeweight in the Ronnie deal.

4. Comparison with Veron is way off. Yes they would both be coming from the same league but that's it. Sneijder is way more mobile, has played all round Europe, is used to faster playing leagues and isn't utilised as a static link man as lazio were with Veron (prob why his adapting t our pacey league failed).

I'm not saying that we must get him ahead of say Nasri or Mods but like the guy said I'm sick of people slating him for being 'old', cant play where we need him or cant play in our league when he is a world class player and we should be happy if we end up getting him.

Jono

10 Jul 2011 20:57:58
What's all this nit picking on sneijders age, 27 is nothing, we got given the run around by a 31 year old in xavi and 29 year old in iniesta not that many weeks ago

10 Jul 2011 20:37:49
this goetze v sneijders doing my head in

goetze

Dortmund
46 app 8 assists 11 goals 6 caps for germany

Sneijder

Ajax
181app 58goals
Madrid
66app 9 assists 11 goals
Inter Milan
79app 15assists 19goals

Holland 76caps 21goals

By the time he was goetze age he had already scored 15goals in 52 appearances for ajax and had 17caps for holland and 5 goals

Individually he was awarded the 2010 Bronze Boot, the 2010 Silver Ball and included in the team of the tournament for UEFA Euro 2008 and the 2010 FIFA World Cup as well as named man of the match for six out of eleven games played by Holland at these two tournaments.

Now can someone explain to me how goetze is better than sneijder, and prolific poster but lack of knowledge Sydney please tell me how goetze is worth 35million yet you wouldnt spend that on sneijder, without the age and sell on value excuse.

10 Jul 2011 20:15:44
Dear gan

unlike yourself I don't look at how fast a player is or what their sell on value is I look at how good the player is and if he could fit in the team, neither do I care about greedy players wanting a wage rise if a player comes in on a big wage, the club will pay the players what they think they should earn if not they sell them on, thats how football works.
So please put your brain into gear before posting, or alternately if you have half a brain do a bit of research about football, and less worrying about what players earn or their (sell on values)."""
dear unnamed sir
ngiak just loves the sight of posters who are unnamed yet spray about bombastic words and phrases
so lets see... where shall ngiak begin
according to you...
"whether a player fits into a team"
well, according to you its not about speed, its not about fitting into the dressing room and its not about "not" creating unrest with the team morale. its also not about the fact that he had an average non descript entire last season, not that he plays in a horrible, corrupted league.
its clearly not about having prove himself in the toughest league in the world like modric or nasri have.(or was a ?"failure"? at real madrid),
and something that ngiak should obviously not mention... cost to the club (and not a small one at that) as clearly according to you, breaking the club's wage structure is also not "fitting in" criteria
ok...
lets see
according to your previous posts he is a "great" player that we must/should buy
wow... ngiak is suddenly so enlightened and educated
thank you dear sir
ngiak shall heed your advice and ...er..whats that again...er....put his "brain into gear" and "get half a brain" and do more research into "who the GREAT players are"...
gan
ps... which website tells ngiak which are the GREAT players that fit our club, please?

10 Jul 2011 19:55:00
i cant believe people on here are complaining about signing sneijder, fair enough if if hes not your first choice, but theres no doubting the guys world class and is one of the elite in his position.
are you saying you wouldn't be happy with this team?

------------De gea/Lindegaard
Twin---Rio/Small---Vidic/Jones--Evra/Twin
---------Carrick/Fletch--------------------
-------------------Sneijder/Ando-----------
Toni/Nani---------------------Young/Park
-------------------Roo/Welbeck----------------
-----------Chica/Berba---------------------

with Evans covering CB, Giggs covering LW & CM Owen covering ST.

also utility players such as Young who covers LW, RW, AM, SS and Jones in CB, DM

and with prospects such as Cleverly, Turncliff, Pobga & Morrison developing you really cant complain, but you cant please everyone.

marlow

10 Jul 2011 19:33:41
Fergie is just sitting back and letting things unfold. And whoever is knocking at his door the most he will open it and sign that player or players.

10 Jul 2011 18:44:53
Until Nasri or Sneijder or both seen in a leaked pic for a MU you shouldn't listen 2 the papers. I've already heard that Nasri was imminent to Sh*ty but no proof only that they have alot of money and Sneijder imminent to MU but no proof of any approach for the player. About Sneijder being to old to sign and is past his prime, LOL I'd like you to tell that to Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes.

10 Jul 2011 17:58:51
reading these posts theres some right plebs on here.
wesley sneijder not good enough for united, he's 10x better than any midfielder at the club....

10 Jul 2011 17:40:52
Nasri now 2/5 to go to City he knows where the future is.

10 Jul 2011 17:10:01
getting slightly annoyed now, 2 months ago everybody wanted Sneijder but since Sydney mentioned the cost of him in total everyone's comin' out and saying he's over-rated, he's too old, he's a mercenary, etc.

Over-rated: his passing stats and general performances state otherwise.

Too old: he's 27 you'd get atleast 4 years out of him at the level he's at now then he'd probably adapt his style to a more modern day scholes role.

Mercenary: Not really, why would he take a pay cut to join us when he's already at a great club?

Upsetting team morale: considering they can't spend what they earn in a week it probably won't bother them. not too mention if we win more because of him then i'm sure they won't care. I mean who care's about Rooney's wage?

I'm not saying we should get him i'm saying people need too stop bitching and thinkin' they know who would suit playing for us and if that player is Sneijder or Taarabt or whoever else, if Sir Alex signs them then he thinks they're good enough and that's good enough for me...

The Moon.

10 Jul 2011 16:27:47
Getting sick of people slating WS and he is not even at the club he is a great player not many players I would prefer see there all these other players nasri, gonso etc all have potential WS is the finished product a great free kick taker if we get him best set piece taker we had since beckham... 35 million is alot SAF said he made a mistake spending that money on berbatov cause he doesn't have great sell on value... Buying WS and possibly nasri is good business with giggs retiring soon and FFP rules next year we can't go out and buy loads next year all we need next year will be a striker unless the youths come through like expected

10 Jul 2011 15:36:52
Has said on SSN and also reported in Italian Press that Inter Board will meet Tuesday to discuss the Transfer of Sneijder. That board doesn't meet unless authorising something so he's going somewhere.

10 Jul 2011 14:00:21
Saying he was the best player on the planet is a joke. Everyone seems to think Sneijder will solve our midfield but I feel the money will be better spent on Nasri and Vidal or Kagawa etc. How long would it take for Sneijder to settle in the Prem? How long will he be able to carry on playing past 30? He has been pretty average in an average league last season. We should be bringing players in before they hit their peak not when they have peaked and starting to decline.

REDMOZ"""
dear mr redmoz
well said thats ngiak's point for the last few months
team spirit, by not breaking the wage structure etc
that will cause a lot of probems among youngsters
anyway ngiak has been harping on this point too often.
agreed he has been average in a below average league
he is almost certain to struggle here with a faster pace and a more physical approach. look what happened to his colleague... VDV? wasnt he one of the "REVELATIONS" of the world cup?
anytime, kagawa, hernanes, goetze, nasri would be welcome
certainly proven players like modric (sadly impossible) and parker would be a perfect bridge for the youngsters...
gan

10 Jul 2011 13:34:41
Sneijder isn't my personal choice as I too would rather have Vidal and Nasri/Hernanes for the price of Sneijder/Modric but if Fergie goes down that route then I can certainly see why he has done it and know what Sneijder will bring to the team irrelevant of the price.

Jono"""
dear mr jono
ngiak believes that you are entitled to your opinion
and you give good "back up" to your responses...
you know what? sincerely without sarcasm, for once, it seems that the possibility of getting him is increasing
ngiak hopes you are right
cos if things go wrong, very wrong,
not only our team play, but team spirit will go due to jealousy of his salary.
hope you are very right, mr jono
gan

10 Jul 2011 09:31:46
i heard on sky sports news that nasri is more than likely going to man city can anyone confirm that. reds forever

10 Jul 2011 08:16:34
According to sneijder's twitter account, he is in Pinzolo getting ready for preseason.

The funny part was how he ended the sentence with.......

Ussoldier77

10 Jul 2011 07:06:03
Beastie notices following missing from America tour squad

1.de Gea
2.Smalling
3.Jones
4.Cleverly
5.Fletcher
6.Valencia
7.Gibson
8.Hernandez
9.Kuszczak
10.Welbeck

Beastie is certain Number 1 to 4 and 10 were involved in U21 championships and are being rested along with numbers 6 (Copa America) and 8. 7 and 9 are highly tipped to leave. What about number 5? He is fit and reported for training. What does Ed think?

Beastie666 {Ed001's Note - has it escaped your notice that Hernandez is also at the Copa? Fletcher is just not going on the trip to get him up to scratch fitness wise, he is not going anywhere.}

10 Jul 2011 00:52:21
1st post on here, read a lot on here about getting just 1 acm, i reckon we need 2, whether it it is sneijder and nasri or others linked....we need options so for the big games, have either anderson or fletcher holding, 2 acm, rooney roaming upfront flanked by nani or valencia {Ed004's Note - Anderson is not a holding player..}